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PostSubject: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:54 am

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PURPOSE
To convert western aristocratic egalitarian philosophy into rational and scientific terms: Anglo Conservatism is the remnant of the European Aristocratic Manorial system and the Classical Liberal philosophy of the Enlightenment combined with our ancient indo-european instincts for group persistence and land-holding: truth-telling, the jury, and heroism.

This philosophy - which separates the west from the rest - currently consists as a set of sentiments rather than as an rationally articulated philosophy expressed in scientific terms. And without that rational articulation, conservatives lack the ability to create and promote a plan that is a positive and rhetorically defensible alternative to the hazards of accidental bureaucracy and purposeful socialism.

This lack of an articulated philosophy leaves conservatives vulnerable in the public debate with Schumpeterian public intellectuals whose advantage in both volume of production, and simplicity of argument poses a nearly insurmountable challenge.

Propertarianism solves this problem of supplying a necessary, sufficient, and formal articulation of western aristocratic egalitarianism in ratio-scientific language, and the means by which to restore our civilization to it's competitive advantage: Truth Telling Suppression of Free Riding, and The Construction of Commons.

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ONLY THE WEAK NEED COMFORTS
(answering a young critic)

As for critiquing people from the past, I am explaining what they did. (as far as I know my analysis is correct, because it has so much more explanatory power than every other alternative.) And that is what a scientist does.

My criticism is that they are employing Cosmopolitan Jewish Enlightenment methods of conflationary argument to authority and attempting to reconstruct jewish law. I have made this same criticism of the Germans (kantians and idealists trying to recreate the church authority), and the same criticisms of the French; and I've made the criticism of the British as well (trying to create an aristocracy of everyone, and their descent into status seeking by demonstration of empty moral authority at their civilization's expense.)

The purpose of criticizing these people is to destroy the false promise of ashkenazi libertinism (rothbardianism), and Ashkenazi Economics (it's not Austrian it's Ukrainian - Mises is from L'viv - the town I'm in that was previously part of the austo hungarian empire). And to destroy the false promise of the conflationary germans trying to recreate the catholic church in secular terms. And destroy the fallacy of equality of the Anglos and the ambition of an aristocracy of everyone.

And with those possibilities ended, to reconstruct our ancient heritage of nature worship, excellence and beauty worship, soft eugenics, testimonial truth, sovereignty, and rule of law.

False prophets, lying philosophers, and dishonest pseudoscientists are the same class in every era merely making use of new technologies of deception.

There are three technologies of coercion: force (physical), gossip(verbal), and remunerative (commercial). if a man need gossip it is because he is weak.

We conquered the world because we invented truth and paid the high cost of telling it. It is the most expensive commons we have ever created. It has been the most durable commons we have ever created. But women in the modern era performed the same function as women in the Christian era: they overthrow aristocracy with religion. Its just that this religion now comes in three forms that appeal to three different classes: religion for the lower and lower middle, philosophy for the middle class, pseudoscience for the upper middle classes. And the aristocratic classes: military, have been driven from political participation and silenced through ridicule and gossip.
So as far as I know I have answered your criticisms and turned them 'round. If you need that which you claim to, then you are a boy, not a man - and certainly not a transcendent man. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:43 am

I enjoyed these interviews.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:58 am

Expanding on his definition of "truth", the word is based on trust, or the solidity of the tree - a metaphor I've used often.
A tree is presence, slow in its behavior, giving the impression of solidity, of the immutable, but it is fluid, constantly in motion, (inter)acting, changing, as we look at it, as we observe it growing there: roots and branches connected by a trunk, corresponding to human nervous systems and internal and external sources of stimulation, of data/knowledge gathering - downwards into the earth, (phenomenon - feminine) and upwards towards the sky (noumenon - masculine).
The tree lacks a central processing hub, like the mammalian brain, so its willing is unfocused, (re)active, localized.
 
To perceive, is to be (re)assured, with a consistent, repetitive pattern - perception of order.
This (re)assurance, is called "truth", and the collection of patterns incorporated into a cohesive model is called "reality" - reality is relatedness.
In most, the base, and primitive, (re)activity is slightly more advanced than the method of willing the tree uses.
Local meaning compartmentalized - a different meaning here than there, each branch each root, experiencing the world as if it were all disconnected, unrelated, perspectives, and if not for the trunk the tree would splinter into a pieces, as some plants do: one piece taking root when it is completely detached from the original body.
Binding memory is genes: a code repeating itself, adapting when environment (reality) imposes itself upon its consistent, predictable, pattern: some impositions resulting in its total fragmentation (death) and others forcing it to heal, differently, sometimes stronger more able to deal with the new circumstances.  

He neglects the Greek aletheia, as an un-covering, (un)forgetting: reading Heidegger will help - preferring to approach the same concept from the Anglo path towards truth, similar to the Latin veritas, .
Aletheia is the (un-covering of what is present, is apparent, meaning what is real, world - objective reality being fluid, meaning constant (inter)activity {existence}.  

Repetitive, consistent, reaffirmation, is rooted in the phenomenon/noumenon relationship, relating to the object(ive)/subject(ive), and alluding to the connection of this relationship to a projected idea(l)/goal which is then used to evaluate, to give value to the apparent, the pattern.
The words "will" and "value" are meaningless outside this subjective evaluation of the apparent in relation to a goal/motive.
"Will" describes a focus, upon it, and "value" describes an assessment of its effect - its utility.
Only a consciousness can will and value, as only a consciousness can love and hate - this love/hate, based on organic needs, or internal organ hierarchies, establishing taste.  
Subject, subjectivity, is a constant noetic evaluation of phenomena, in relation to a motive, movement towards; in relation to a goal, an objective, an idea(l), determined by internal organ hierarchies, or the manner to which the organism has organized, producing the will which then directs its aggregate energies.

Morals have to do with this idea(l), on a grand scale - how to direct populations, determining their motives, their behaviors, towards a common goal, given to them, without them having to participate in the choice, or its evaluation.  
In nature, pre-memes, the shared goal is determined by genes: sexual.
With humans the idea(l) is abstracted, like everything else, so as to direct the libidinal energies outside their sexual contexts: avoiding the competition, the conflict.
By abstracting it the mind disassociates it from its origins (detachment), permitting the development of multicultural Nihilistic social systems of Modernity: the hive mind.
Herd psychology is seduced by all-inclusive positive goals, that do not require any, or minimal, personal effort and/or sacrifice - path-of-least-resistance - and that avid the personal risks of passing judgment.
Synergy (specialization) makes the projected idea(l) more attainable, and it releases the individual form the costs, creating in excess energies, which (s)he can direct towards pleasures independent from the collective goal, but not contrary to it.

Making a goal all-inclusive by abstracting it to the point where each mind can think of it, imagine it, in whatever way his/her own internal hierarchy (personae) needs, is how you integrate multiplicity into a harmonious whole - the height of manipulation using seduction and pre-existing internal energies, and by selling ambiguity, mystical words offering promise.
By keeping the objective as ambiguous as possible, by making it an internal, subjective affair, you make the other participate in his own exploitation - plant a seed, full of positive emotional rewards, and then let the other do the hard labor of connecting it to your noetic device - the lie that can bind over time.

To collectivize the goal you must erase the individual motive, or simplify it to where it reached the lowest point of relating - lowest-common-denominator.
Most effective and efficient way to do that is to uses abstraction and allow the individual himself to do the rest - making the motive more personal by clouding it in mystical ambiguity.
An extreme example is the cell - it is brainless, has no thoughts, no projections, minimal relation to the world outside of itself and is entirely guided by internal ordering.
Christians did it by abstracting "love", and "morality", to where they could be detached from their selfish/sexual roots; Capitalism/Marxism does so with resources by abstracting them as money, and race/blood as class/social status.
Abstracting a concept is to reduce it to a noumenon, with few or no reference point to phenomenon - a form of purification, baptismal rite - a form of mystification where simplification/generalization is compensated for with ambiguity, permitting emotion to fill in what is lost.
This "filling in" will come from internal sources.
Contact with the external world being reduced and compensated for by accentuating promoting internal sources, resulting in an understanding dominated by subjectivity, hedonism, self-referential concepts.
The subjective mind can now feel invested in a goal he has no understanding of - only relating to it as an abstraction stimulating emotions inside of him.
This is detachment - a world of inter-subjective alienation from the real world as it has manifested by a determining/immutable nature/past.

Relativism is how the individual is detached from reality, and then seduced with a "positive" message, using the individual's own internal energies - like when a hypnotist hypnotizes by allowing the individual to place himself in a trance.
The objective is vague and the arguments must come from internal sources - their validity based on emotion and personal needs.
The seducer only offers a positive, vague, word, triggering this emotional (re)activity.
The subject convinces himself.
The standard for evaluating the reality of it all remains internal, subjective, not affected nor dependent on external (inter)actions.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:33 am

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One interesting point was about 'manorialism' and how it destroyed the lower classes, making everyone a (genetic)product of the middle class.
If you want to raise the bar on humanity, then one should find a modern equivalent to that.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:52 pm

Hitting them out of the park!

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THE GREAT LIARS AND THE GREAT LIE
**They Mastered The Art of the Great Lie**
Version 1: monotheism and christianity - using preachers pulpits
Version 2: pseudoscience: boaz, marx, freud, cantor, (keynes), mises, frankfurt, rothbard - using The Academy Lectern, New Media, and Entertainment Arts.
In both the ancient and modern world, they told lies for women and slaves.
The Bigger The Lie The More Outrageous The More Effective At Using Words To Disconnect Imagination From Reality - that is the purpose of the great lies: to use altruism of the group to disconnect imagination from reality.
Women are more easily affected by both the incentive of altruistic submissiveness and more resistant to truth - much more so - and therefore are the easiest means of replication of great lies.
If enough women can be converted, then by means of their constant gossip, rallying and shaming, they will teach children, rebel against men, shame realists, and expand the lie to weak men, bad men,
Women are not only unequal, but they are ready vessels for the collection and distribution of imaginary falsehoods. This is just history now not suspicion. The fall of the west has been achieved through the grant of political power to women who of their nature are less likely to grasp reality, and more desirous of fantasy.
In the ancient world they spread the lie first to women and slaves.
In the modern world they inspired women to free slaves in an attempt to obtain political power themselves. They repeated the effort of freeing the slaves at the expense of civil war, and obtained political power. And within one generation used it to incrementally undermine the west.
The Great Liars, The Great Lies, and The Folly of Women.
The fist time it is a fluke, accident or interpretation. The second time it is a strategy composed of a simple tactics: use women and weak men to create and distribute a great lie that destroys the virtue of the west: the people who tell the truth, and the truth's correspondence with reality.
And the great liars even destroyed science and rule of law.
What shall be the penalty for this great crime of the Christian and Postmodern Worlds? What is our means of restitution? Perhaps "2000 years of silence"?
The Truth Is Enough. Enough to Cure Russia. Enough To Restore The West. Science is the Discipline of Truth Telling. Law is the Forum for Demanding It. We Must Use Law To End The Lies. And With It The Destruction Of The Liars.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:15 pm

ATHENIAN ART OF TRUTH VS JERUSALEM'S ART OF LYING
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Pilpul is a craft. It is 'the art of lying'. It is one of the oldest written arts. The art of justifying anything. The art of loading, framing, overloading, and suggestion. The art of constructing loaded relations in the mind so that a justification for for a desired action can be found. It's the art of overwhelming the human mind with the stimulation of language so that the stimulations of experience cannot compete. Because while searching to understand one is open to suggestion - to inception - to deceit. It is the source of the last century's transformation of western law from a descriptive science that prohibits involuntary transfers, and preserves the peace, to a system of moral justification by which people can be brought into political conflict so that political power can be obtained by force of government.
Marx's "Dialectical Materialism" is just an application of Pilpul. The vast expansion of pseudoscience during the 19th and 20th has been achieved through the use of the technique whereby it is possible to justify anything if you seek justification of it through 'meaning' rather than seek correspondence to existence using internally consistent and externally correspondent language.
In the west we use the opposite technique: existential operations. We did so because of the the Roman conversion of greek platonism to empirical law. Because if you want to justify something using 'meaning' rather than existential operations, you can find or create that justification. This is the meaning of hermeneutic interpretation. The study of texts and language in order to assist you in free association by which you can justify anything is in accord with that text.
And this is why strict construction and operational language, identity and non conflation, external correspondence and internal consistency, full accounting, parsimony and limits, and objective morality are required of us if we are to speak truthfully and cause no harm to others by untruthful speech. Westerners invented truth and we speak the truth. We are so indoctrinated into seeking to understand one another, and so habituated trust in one another, that we have forgotten how how to detect lies. Our empathy, our trust, are exactly what is needed for the naive training of - deceit of - our minds through suggestion.
We have stopped teaching logic and rhetoric so that the left could spread lies. But even in teaching logic and rhetoric we taught rhetorical fallacies of construction. We did not teach how to counter lies of loading, framing, overloading and suggestion. Nor did we teach (or know) our cognitive biases - which are now the central canon of psychological study, or our genetic biases - which must become part of that canon. Even in our rhetoric we assume the others merely err, not that they intentionally lie, seek justification, and deceive. We have been trusting for so many thousands of years that we do not know the art of lying. We hare become naive in our trust.
Pilpul is the training that educated the great deceits of Boaz, Marx, Freud, Cantor, Mises, [even some of Popper], Rothbard, and the Frankfurt School: (Horkheimer, Adorno, Marcuse, Pollock, Fromm, Kirchheimer, Löwenthal, Neumann ,Grossman). Christianity and Kantian rationalism are the training that was provided to the great continental liars that still persist in both the german rationalist, and american postmodern traditions. The originators and the propagators do not really know they lie any more than women who engage in ever-present never-escapable, but often unimaginable female wishful thinking know they lie. But if enough people go along with the lie, it is as good enough for them as it is if we discover some fundamental truth and spread it.
It is the technique by which academics, jews, and women have used their weakness to create a new religion as mystical and deadly as the last that sent us into a dark age for a thousand years, from which we emerged over the next thousand through the the use of truth under the name we surreptitiously called 'science' in order to not accuse the church and academy and state of lying. Science is the discipline by which we practice the art of speaking truthfully. That we had to call it something other than truthful speech is an indictment of all the rest of society by the few who practice truthful speech. Reason, reasonableness and science (and not philosophical rationalism) have been attempts to create a specialization in truth telling without threatening the religious moral and legal leaders.
Our law was converted from an empirical science to a religo-moral form of jewish mysticism over the course of the twentieth century by constant use of the PilPul tradition. Law identifies and lists the methods by which we humans prey upon one another, and prohibits them going forward. Law is a purely empirical study. But the talmud is not a vehicle for science of truth telling. The indo european anglo saxon law is such a vehicle. The talmud is not empirical it is justificationary. It is an instruction manual for lying. And pilpul is the technique by which one learns to lie. The ancient battle between Athens and Jerusalem is one between science and truth, and justification and deceit. And governments are pragmatic. They will use truth or lie as it suits them.
Notice how rationalism in philosophy and legal relativism have evolved in tandem. Philosophy has been used to lie as much as it has ben used to tell the truth. Legislation is not law, unless it is also legal. Legislation consists of some combination of law(science of prohibition of parasitism), contract (exchange between parties), and Command (export of costs), and predation (bureaucratic parasitism). But law is a very simple thing: an empirically accumulated record of the methods of parasitic action, and the methods of restitution for having committed them. The only western philosophy needed is and has ever been our common law. The rest of it is an attempt to gain power, or an attempt to justify the separation of truth seeking in the form of science, from the discipline of lying in its many forms - particularly religio-moral forms.
We are in this position because only Darwin and Einstein fully succeeded in their disciplines. Spencer failed in philosophy because he was not co-temporal with Popper's falsification. Popper failed in epistemology - an irony for the ages. Mises, Hayek failed in economics. Brouwer failed in math. Bridgman in Science. All our sages failed in law - first because western law is practiced as a cult of the law, rather than as a science of the prohibitions of involuntary transfer. And Tesla and Turing and programming came to late to instruct all of the above in the solution of strict construction and operational language by limit of discourse to existential terminology. It has fallen to my generation to stand on the shoulders of great men and look back at their failings and to understand why it is that they failed, and how to restore truth to our discourse.
When we encountered the enlightenment era we had to solve the problem of cooperating at scale - with different people from different nations. But all our moral discourse for intertribal and international cooperation was constructed out of myth and mysticism. We had to invent economics. Not as 'truth' but as a separate discipline in order not to offend our elites. Just as we had to invent science and reason as separate disciplines as not to offend our elites.
We have spend millennia trying not to offend our elites - who rule by lie. To solve this problem forever, we have to punish our elites for their use of anything other than truth.
We humans can organize around truth, morality, and correspondence, or we can organize around falsehood, immorality, and non-correspondence. By constructing these great deceits, the jewish enlightenment caused tremendous damage to western civilization. Although ALL the enlightenments did so. Look at what France has become? Look at what england is becoming. Look at all of europe. The lie of Rousseuaian France. The lie of Kantian rationalism. The lie of british aristocracy of everyone. The lie of the free ride of Keynesian Economics - that we can increase employment without consuming all other forms of national capital in the process. That between keynesian pseudoscience and jewish pseudoscience, our civilization had been destroyed, and we have been brought to near extinction.
What is the difference between the immediacy of a gas chamber and the slow process of extermination by a new process of conversion and gradual suicide? What is the difference between gradual suicide and immediate displacement through immigration of non-kin and competitors? If we give the Chinese heroin and ruin their civilization and they kick us out forever, they are right. If we give teh lie of the good of democracy instead of the truth of the common law and science to others, they are right to reject us. If the jews and germans, and french and anglo enlightenment thinkers give us intellectual heroin and we like it very much - hyper-consumption is a naturally occurring heroin for humans - and it produces the exact same effect as heroin over longer periods. It overwhelms our reason. Hyper consumption of our genetic, territorial, physical, traditional, cultural, normative, capital, has been stimulating just as heroin is stimulating. But neither is an objective good.
I think we forget that jewish verbalism and female verbalism have the same cause. That jewish argument and female argument have the same cause. That jewish group evolutionary strategy and female group evolutionary strategy are identical: to gossip, rally, shame and frame through repetition, to in order to survive no matter which group of males are in charge of them. Women act as such. Jews act as such. Jewish women are more masculine, and jewish men more feminine than competing orders. Conversely, western people absolutely LOVE to protect the weak as a sign of status. We love to demonstrate our masculine superiority by hosting more of the weak. Yet we merely invite those who conspire against us. The female encourages consumption to increase her rate of reproduction. That is her strategy. It has no mind or reason. Man herds. He manages his herd. He manages his territory. He manages the balance of each. He fights competitors. He expands his territory. In doing so he captures the genes that let him do so.
END THE LIES. NOT JUST OF THE JEWS BUT OF ALL ENLIGHTENMENT THINKERS.
Return the west by returning us to our martial foundations: Truth, Reason, Science, Testimony, Jury, Common Law, Rule of law, Universal standing, Natural Law necessary for rational voluntary cooperation.
TRUTH IS ENOUGH.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:47 am

Doolittle has compiled a reading list, or canon even, of works to read to understand his philosophy.  It is pretty much his idea of the Western canon, classified by topic (classical works of narrative, sagas, etc. as well as scientific and political treatises) and containing some real treasures, including Duchesne's expensive Uniqueness of Western Civilization.  

Someone made the books (or most of them) available in .pdf and .epub format.  

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:52 am

Another one, Out. Of. The. Park.  

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MEN, WOMEN, AND WHY MEN MUST FIGHT TO CONSTRAIN OUR WOMEN.
Group solidarity, membership, consensus, marginal indifference, empathic solipsism, and a fear of the opposites, constitute the herd mentality, or what's fashionably called r-selection bias, because it is in the female interest to preserve reciprocal insurance from other women at all costs, prevent her and her offspring's ostracization at all costs, and to preserve her incentive to invest heavily in her costly offspring regardless of their merit to the tribe - which in at least half of cases is a total lack of merit, and a persistent unnecessary cost to the tribe.

Men, on the other hand evolved domestication of animals for the simple reason that they'd been capturing and herding females for nearly their entire genetic existence, by systematically killing off the males of competing tribes and clans in order to obtain their territory and women. For men the preservation of their genes constitutes the preservation of their family, clan, and tribe - and his own offspring - event the concept of it, is a relatively new invention. Men women and children who are a cost to the tribe are merely tolerable or not given the current resources available. Moreover, just as women wish to be carried along by the redistribution of th tribe's resources, many men wish their genes to be preserved from dilution by the contraint of female reproduction to ingroup members.

For this reason men tilt heavily conservative, empirical, tribal, just as women tilt heavily redistributive, experiential, and universal.

It's in the reproductive interest of each. And marital family, clan, tribe and nation are the compromise that men and women make between their different strategies in order to maximize the interests of each in a NASH equilibrium.

So when we say 'men' and 'women' we are making universal statemetns about the RESULT of the behavior of the set of individuals we are talking about.

In other words, the trend in the tribe and nation continues because despite outliers, the majority behavior is existentially demonstrated. This empirical truth is what it is. But empirical truth is a masculine bias, because we can tolerate, and we must tolerate such truths in order to preserve our genetic interests.

There is a very good reason that Boaz, Marx and Freud created the revolt against Locke, Darwin and Spencer: because the jews, like women, need to be carried along by the host tribe upon whose commons they parasitically survive. Jewish socialism and feminiism and progressivism are predictable political movmeents, becauset they are predictable group evolutionary strategies.

SO we see in women the use of gossip rallying and shaming in order to obtain resources in exchange for sex, information sharing, and cooperation, and we see jews doing from priest, pulpit, book, newspaper, magazine, radio, television, theater and movie, the INDUSTRIALIZATION OF GOSSIP in order to create vast systems of outright lies, that like religion and gossip can be used to create political common interest among those with desires to parasitism on production, and the commons, while denying men the ability to persist their genes through the rapid increase in immigration of the lower classes.

This is genocide by conspiracy with the female cognitive bias, in the same way that religion was spread by jews to women and slaves using this cognitive bias.

Women lack agency because if they had men's agency their offspring would never survive. Women lack agency because unless they stay members of groups they cannot survive. Women lack agency because truth is not a useful construct in the preservation of their genetics.

Whereas men possess agency so that their kin can survive. Men possess agency because they must constantly defend the group from killing, capture, parasitism, and invasion which would dilute their genes. Men possess agency because truth is a necessary tool in the ascertainment of threats which must be acted upon if their genes are to survive against competitors in the present and future.

For this reason we do not take men terribly seriously in their opinions about the care of the young (under 12), and we do not take women seriosly about the organizatino of a polity above the age of 12.

Truth and the scientific construction of reality was invented by men because military epistemology is unforgiving, and protection of the herd from capture, dilution, or loss was necessary for the preservation of their genes. Gossip and the 'social construction of reality' was invented by women but documented by weak men, for the benefit it gave them in obtaining access to women, and profiting by the sale of ideas to women, becasue 'comforting lies that produce safe grounds for offspring' is the group evolutionary strategy of women.

There is nothing challenging here other than that the success of the second era of great lies invented by the jews for sale to women and slaves, used the same technique as the first great ear of lies invented by the jews for sale to women and slaves - monotheistic Christianity.

Men possess agnecy because they must, and women lack agency because they must.
This is just how it is. And all the pseudoscientific lies of the Boazian, Marxist, and Freudians; and all the repeated gossip of the postmoderns, and the politically correct, do not change the truth.

The compromise of family and nation we built is the compromise we must keep if we are to persist our men's genes, or be conquered by the genes of others due to the lack of agency of our women.

You cannot reason with cognitive biases caused by evolutionary necessity. We evovled these biases because of different reproductive strategies.

We do not reason we fight.

Fight for your people, your genes, or lose them to conquest. Women are taken and conquered and pressured into submission they willingly desire in exchange for the security of membership.

Men must fight for their ability to reproduce.

Fight or die. We are not women. There is no free ride. The rest of the world's men will give us none.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:59 pm

I hope the chimpanzee sees this.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:44 pm

He produced a nice lecture video from the live Facebook discussion.
The summary at 48:41 is pretty thoughtful of him.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:33 am

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Curt Doolittle, Philosopher of political economy and founder of the Propertarian Institute.
Written Jan 8, 2014
HERE IS THE REASON
(WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF THE STICKS AND STONES IT WILL GENERATE)

I'm going to give the answer that is impolitic and true.  Mostly because I'm kind of curious how people  interpret it.  Just a draft.

MONEY, MEDIA AND WHITE GUILT FOR WW2
That's the answer.  But why?

GROUP EVOLUTIONARY STRATEGY
If your gene pool does not have an evolutionary strategy that it can compete with against other groups, then it will fail.  Europeans were poor people on the edge of the bronze age who had to rely on small numbers to hold land.  To do this they favored technology and a novel kind of cooperation that we call the individualistic and heroic mythos.  Jews by contrast were not a landed people, but a migratory one, right at the center of the bronze age explosion, and unsuccessful at holding land.  

Landholder ethics are very different from transitory ethics. Land means you can invest in fixed assets, craftsmanship, and industry. You can raise crops, and domesticated animals.  You have to defend them, and that requires a great personal sacrifice on the part of most members.

JEWISH GROUP EVOLUTIONARY STRATEGY
0) Empirically measurable verbal advantage in Ashkenazim due to eugenic mating.
1) High investment parenting.
3) High investment in in-group success (ethnocentrism).
4) In-Group Cooperation and Out Group predation.
5) Lower ethical requirements in out-group predation.

The first three properties are beneficial and are helpful to host countries. We get specialists in the skills that ORGANIZE production and trade. In a culture that specializes in organizing war (landholding) and property rights, and production.

However, the last two are damaging to host countries and populations and the USA is no exception. So it is a 50/50 proposition when one has a large Jewish population because of these factors. The good comes with the bad, and in general, historically speaking, this strategy was effective enough that host peoples eventually rebelled against it.

Any group sufficiently separate within a host country cannot break the US and THEM barrier that is required for the extension of trust to the state. So the jewish model cannot succeed in any legitimate state - rather any state considered legitimate by its people.

Jewish ethics are more limited than protestant ethics, and jews have, in every host country they have ever been in, gravitated by intention, to those roles that were, and are extractive, because of this lower standard of ethics.
(For the best scholarly treatment see Kevin McDonald's _The Culture of Critique_. Three volumes on his study of the Jewish cultural survival strategy.)

THE NORTHERN EUROPEAN GROUP STRATEGY
0) Use small numbers, technology, mobile tactics, professional warriors, and egalitarian enfranchisement in property rights to hold land and animals against competitors.
1) Suppress all free riding, so that everyone produces, leaves, or dies.
2) Break property (land and animals) into family divisions to eliminate free riding
3) Prevent the centralization of power, so that members retain their property.
4) Outbreed so that relations and trust are widespread, and conflict is minimized.
5) Conquer if you can. Raid if you can. Trade if you cannot.
This system is weak unless there is high criteria for entry. The enlightenment weakened that limit on entry, and universal democratic enfranchisement eliminated it.

To cooperate in their environments, different cultures suppress different levels of 'theft' from the direct, to the indirect. And the reason for the High Trust West and our "Protestant Ethic" is that westerners have suppressed more kinds of theft and cheating than any other people on earth. This suppression was also eugenic for similar reasons that helped the Jews compete - if forces out non-conformists.

Our suppression of all types of criminality, theft and immorality, and very rigid moral and ethical requirements literally suppress nearly all options EXCEPT participation in the market. This is largely because in northern Europe above the Hanjal line, the church outlawed cousin marriage, and the large land owners only would rent land to married couples who could be trusted to produce.

These to factors led to the absolute nuclear family that is unique to northern europe, and the culture of hard work as a status symbol.  The extension of property rights to women broke up the ability for large families to compete with the church for land. The result was that almost every form of 'free riding' was suppressed both practically and eventually normatively. And the prohibition on cousin marriage created an enormous extended family and the ethic that comes with an extended family.  We call this ethic christian universalism. But it is not present in southern europe or anywhere outside of the Hanjal line.  

Furthermore, the absolute nuclear family and its requirement for self sufficiency does not exist outside of those cultures. And it was that family structure that the founders brought to the north american colonies, and the rule of law and the nuclear family persisted in america without the overhead of aristocracy until the 1970's.  (Now 40% of children are born to single mothers, and in real terms, after redistribution, only about a quarter of households are self sufficient and pay taxes.)

SUPPRESSION OF THEFTS :
(In economic terms 'Discounts')
So lets look at what we can suppress from the most simple to the most complex.
--CRIME--
Murder
Violence
Theft                    
--ETHICS--  
Blackmail
Usury
Fraud                            
Fraud by omission    
Fraud by obfuscation
--MORALITY---
Profiting from suffering
Profiting from disadvantage
Profit without contribution
Profit from Interference in the acts of others
Externalization of costs
Privatization of the commons
Socialization of losses into the commons
Free riding
--POLITICAL MORALITY--
Rent seeking
Corruption
Extortion
Conspiracy
Monopoly (government is technically a monopoly)
--POLITICAL CONQUEST--
Ostracization and Displacement
Conquest through Overbreeding
Conquest through Immigration
Conquest through religious conversion
Conquest through Enslavement
Conquest through war.

Westerners managed to suppress all the moral prohibitions. Even within families, where, almost universally, free riding is not only expected but encouraged.

CONTRASTING WITH JEWISH ETHICS
But jewish ethics in most of history stop at THEFT, and in the 20th century at fraud. And a disproportionate percentage of Jews actively participated in, if not specialized in, what in the west was traditionally considered unethical and immoral industries. Which would include the mass media, advertising, entertainment, pornography, credit, banking, finance, law.

The jewish ethic can be captured in the statement "it only takes two people to agree to a trade".  Unfortunately, that may be true, but the consequences of any trade affect all members of the community. It is this set of consequences, which economists call 'externalities' that allow the 'cheater' to use a single interaction to effectively extract wealth involuntarily from people outside of the transaction.  This prohibition on externalities is the practical meaning of the term 'immoral'.  Just as the prohibition on taking advantage of asymmetry of information is the definition of 'unethical'.

So the problem is not so much that jews do this or that as it is the over representation of jews in industries that are enticingly profitable, but which are moral hazards, and westerners by their emphasis on  production and craft, and prohibition on 'cunning' (cheating), controlled not by law, but by morals.  

This is why Jews excel everywhere but best in the west: our high trust society gives their particular lack of moral standard outgroup requirement, extraordinary opportunity for success, and their scientific intellectuals greater freedom to work.

If you specialize in what the host nation considers unethical and immoral behavior, and can get away with it, then it is very profitable.  The problem is, almost no other civilizations prohibit as much of the moral and ethical spectrum as northern europeans. So northern european countries and the anglosphere provide greater opportunity for profiting from unethical and immoral action.

HISTORY
The jews have been disliked almost everywhere that they've been successful, and it is their historical preference for cheating, by verbal means where possible, and profiting from unethical and immoral cheating where possible, that has generally led to their prosecution.

Cheating, especially through various credit schemes (creating a hazard) is extremely profitable. Jewish ingroup bias was particularly useful in creating trust relationships for financing during the hard currency eras.  

If you study the Ethics of Gypsies they are very close to jewish ethics, but they lack the intelligence and discipline to move from profit by crime to profit by unethical and immoral actions.

But what is most interesting is that despite being the most literate people in europe jews produced no significant science or literature, while starting in 1200 in England the opposite happened.  It appears that only with the structure of western high trust society and the acceptance of jews into western society have the jews been able to contribute to world knowledge. Even if, some of that knowledge (Marx, Freud and Cantor, just like Kant and Rousseau) was pseudoscientific and very damaging to the west.

SIDEBAR: AN INTERESTING HISTORICAL THOUGHT
--And jewish banking became especially useful after the extermination of the Templars. Competing financiers would have provided the states with competitors to jewish bankers and assisted in controlling rates.  But the templars made a mistake in trying to obtain land as well as retain their banking and that was too much of a risk for the governments.--

CONTEMPORARY CIRCUMSTANCES
Prior to the war era immigration of eastern european jews, American Jews had become indistinguishable from conservative Scots who dominated business in american institutions. To the point of being accepted into elite institutions.  At this point jewish identity has merged with the american model fairly deeply and intermarriage is eroding the prior social structure.  So what has happened to the English appears to be happening to the jews.

Now, again, assuming that indoctrination and assimilation will leave jews like the english, scots and germans, an advantaged minority population,

Israel has demonstrated that it may in fact be possible for the jews to hold land develop land holder ethics, and build a state, but at the cost of suppressing the rampant free riding in their more religious members. It may also occur that once again, jewish culture and ethics are insufficient to hold a territory. And given that israel is the most technically advanced society in the region, even if dependent on american handouts, that the loss would be tragic.

MY GOAL IS TO ARTICULATE WESTERN HIGH TRUST ETHICS
I write about ethics in order to explain the economic consequences of different ethical models, as well as why the western ethical model created the high performing high trust society and others did not. This high trust model, wherever it survives, provides a dramatic difference in economic performance that no other civilization has matched.

No other philosopher has successfully articulated the cause and consequence of western high trust ethics. All groups need an evolutionary strategy.  But not only do northern Europeans need the high trust society to compete, but given what the high trust society produces in terms of innovation and exchange, the world also needs the high trust society to prevail.  

Westerners do not understand their history or why they succeeded despite being a poor illiterate people, small in number, far from the origin of civilization, because their history is articulated in moral and allegorical language not in ratio scientific terms. They cannot defend their social system because they do not understand it. The enlightenment project was a scheme for the seizure of political power from the landed aristocracy by the new middle class. And the mythos of democracy was used to suppress the Aristocratic origins of western civilization. As it turns out the purpose of large democratic states appears largely to be, ever since Napoleon, the export of war and conquest.

The purpose of my work is to make it possible for westerners to rationally debate their values against the encroachment of other value systems so that we can preserve the high trust society - for themselves, and everyone else.

CLOSING
I hope this was useful. This is a draft of a longer argument and I might revise and extend it later.  Of course, I expect all sorts of childish nonsense but this is how it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:42 am

When I read that he wrote "The Battle Between Athens and Jerusalem" I immediately thought of Satyr.  Satyr, are you and Doolittle coincidentally saying the same thing?  Or are you quoting/paraphrasing a previous phrase?

Curt Doolittle wrote:
INFANTILIZATION: THE SECRET TO CHRISTIANITY AND CULTURAL MARXISM: INTELLECTUAL, EMPIRICAL, EMOTIONAL, INFANTILIZATION.
(...important post...)
Yet what does Aryanism ask us to do? Precisely the opposite: Stoicism, Empiricism, Testimony, Jury, Judge.
THE BATTLE BETWEEN ATHENS AND JERUSALEM IS NOT ONLY BETWEEN ARISTOCRACY AND SLAVE, NOT ONLY BETWEEN MASCULINE AND FEMININE BUT BETWEEN DISCIPLINED ADULTHOOD AND IMPULSIVE INFANCY.
Millennials are the fourth generation result of the Cosmopolitan Program's second 'Christianization' of Europe by the infantilization of our women and underclasses through the use of utopian promises. This time, instead of promising afterlife, they promised material prosperity.
BOTH THE AFTERLIFE AND THE MATERIAL PROSPERITY ARE EQUAL LIES.
Adults achieve. Children follow. The Priesthood-State and the Academy-State merely want followers. The aristocracy wants peers. And we try to make a peer of everyone, and the hierarchy is the result of everyone seeking the maximum of his or her ability.
Curt Doolittle
The Philosophy of Aristocracy
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine."
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:36 am

I do not plagiarize.
I've never read Doollittle.  
I wonder what year he wrote what you read.
I've only watched two youtube vids concerning his positions.

Great minds think alike....
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The conflict between Athens/Jerusalem and Rome/Washington, the civilizations founded on the culture they represent, is nothing new.
In the west realism and idealism express the conflict between mind/body, or past/nature and projected future, with presence/appearance interfering when this projection is antithetical to past/nature = nihilism.
The same concept is expressed as objectivity/subjectivity, or, as I call it, the phenomenon/noumenon.
These "dualities" are a product of emergent consciousness of consciousness, or self-consciousness.
Binary logic, used in science, is also the same.


It's the same Body > Nervous System/brain > Mind, also represented by Son/Holy Ghost/Spirit/Father...in Abrahamism.

Nihilism is the mind denying the body, or rejecting the physical, the phenomenal.
It may also express itself as romantic idealism, or any ideology that rejects, or minimizes world, or reality of appearances.

In the west nihilism has been dominated by the spirituality of Judaism, later adapting to secular environments as Marxism, humanism.  
The tribes of Judea took it from Zoroastrianism and combined it with Egyptian spirituality.
In the east the same nihilistic mindset was expressed through Buddhism.    

Dollittle uses "infantilization" to my "feminization.
I root the regression in sexual specialization, and how the feminine appears child-like so as to stimulate parental instincts in other, and to appear less threatening enabling smoother socialization.
Feminine psychology is rooted in the sexual role, which demands a long period of dependence, as a child does.
The mother is almost as vulnerable as the offspring she gives birth to, making her more dependent on the group - female nurturing, the desire to maintain harmony, is based on this.

Words, language/semiotics, are what IS world for nihilists.
All is code, though they give it different names - God's will, or will for short.
All is order, or all hides a motive, a reason.
In Zoroastrianism all follows a path, progressing toward an end.  
American "individualism" is founded on this, and form this we get Modernity, or Humanism.
World = Humanity, and since words affect humans words are magical spells.
But to make them effective you must prime the target - teach it the language, the meanings of words relating to words...
Nihilism is always about convincing/coercing as many humans as possible - it is evangelical, it seeks converts....it is a cult aiming for the status of religion.
Religion is a cult based on symbols (words), that has converted so many, has control of enough resources, become powerful/popular enough to create its own "reality".
Nihilistic Religions must be duplicitous, and vague, because reality cares not for their lies and convictions.
Vagueness is how their lies are covered, mystified.
Vagueness, ambiguity, is also how they integrate subjectivity as a supportive element - the convert uses the dogma's vagueness to project his own psychological needs, only to see them reflected back by those who share them.
Nihilism is communal - feminine. It is right-brained.
All distinctions merge in mists, mystical intertwining forms - one intuit, or senses, or feels reality, as an animal is conscious of world.
Details are absorbed within synthesis.    
This is why it needs icons, hyper-masculine ideals, to represent its goals - to gain confidence, courage, a leader.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:40 am

Satyr wrote:
I wonder what year he wrote what you read.

He wrote it about an hour and a half ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:42 am

Ha!!
I wrote mine two years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:54 am

Yes, when I said I immediately thought of you after reading his post, I meant that thread.

About a year ago I told him to read you. Don't know whether he did.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:01 am

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Yes, when I said I immediately thought of you after reading his post, I meant that thread.

About a year ago I told him to read you.  Don't know whether he did.
Thanks.
I was going to ask you to tell him to come here.
That thread is in the ADYTON.
Can't recall when, exactly, I put it there, so I don't know if he has or can read it.

Are you suggesting he plagiarized me?
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:03 am

It's a struggle between a healthy body and a dis-ease, a virus of the mind.
The mind is the vulnerable organ, just awakening to a world it finds confusing, and terrifying.
This virus, like all viruses, is triggered by particular conditions - first it must enter the host.
In this case it being a noetic virus it must enter via the mind, of an organism that has been trained in the codes - language, metaphors.  
A virus spreads easily within congested environments.
This one first emerges in the east, where population pressures and resource deficiencies began before they began in the west.
Reason for this is the Hellenic spirit, born on the seacoast of open sea frontiers, sampling from a variety of memes, and because of the smaller spaces of Europe forcing the tribes to take to the seas.
In the west the geography and congestion forces introversion to emerge quickly.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:08 am

I sent him "The Feminization of Mankind" as it was in 2012ish, and said you both might like to speak with each other. I linked to this site. He did not respond about it.

Maybe he's plagiarizing you. king
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:58 pm

I think he joined, but he never posted, and his account might have been deleted.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:15 pm

I never was interested in the big names in libertarianism or its ethics (I read Ayn Rand as a teenager but it was more of a gesture at that age).  So my eyes glaze over when people debate its axioms.  But I empathize with the attitudes I see self-styled libertarians express, and with their emotional need to excuse away their immaturity in the face of evidence that existence is brutal and nature is unforgiving.  

I feel the younger man's confusion, pain and embarrassment in this video.  Honestly the emotional kick is why I'm sharing this one, more-so than for the actual content, which can be had elsewhere.    

Still, some great quotables from Doolittle in here, as always.  My favorite:

"You need to come up with an argument that isn't an excuse."

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:26 pm

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The Left as female, short-term thinking, dysgenic, evolved to manipulate men verbally.  The Right as male, long-term thinking, eugenic, evolved to manipulate nature/reality in terms of production and violence.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:58 pm

There's an interesting dialogue that one can see who looks on Facebook for the phrase (w/out quotation marks) "Curt Doolittle inherently different morally"
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:21 am

On Jordan Peterson:

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:52 am

Nice...
Two of my favourite thinkers in the same room.
Haven't read or hear of Sunic, and Doolittle leaves me cold.

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:34 am

Been watching this guy, then saw the term Propertarianism and was sure I've seen it somewhere already.



I have to say I like very much what I hear so far, and intend to explore further.

Essentially it seems to be that propertarianism is the "fixed" version of libertarianism, or at least it fixes some of its flaws, such as the idea that we all exist in a vacuum where our actions have no effect on others.

It also seems to be more of a way of looking at things, a method that looks at the world in terms of costs/benefits and incentives, than an actual ideology. Ideologies contain a lot of "oughts" (preferences), propertarianism merely points out your "oughts" might conflict with somebody else's "oughts", the possible costs and benefits, and how to set up the system of incentives to accomplish some preferred state of affairs.
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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:15 am

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Essentially it seems to be that propertarianism is the "fixed" version of libertarianism, or at least it fixes some of its flaws, such as the idea that we all exist in a vacuum where our actions have no effect on others.

It also seems to be more of a way of looking at things, a method that looks at the world in terms of costs/benefits and incentives, than an actual ideology. Ideologies contain a lot of "oughts" (preferences), propertarianism merely points out your "oughts" might conflict with somebody else's "oughts", the possible costs and benefits, and how to set up the system of incentives to accomplish some preferred state of affairs.

In one of these videos I posted Doolittle says his method is "libertarian, but it's not Rothbardian."

Another way to say it is that it is an aristocratic/pagan/Aryan outlook, opposed to the Abrahamic.  He also says as much, if you look into him.

The ultimate way he (and Eli) state it, is that it's Natural Law, pure and simple, discovered by the empirical method and expressed in empirical and operational terms.  

It's good fun that Satyr says "Doolittle leaves me cold."  Seems appropriate.  Nevertheless I find easy consilience between Satyr's thought and Doolittle's.  That's why I shared it here.  

Anyone who disagrees or sees incompatibilities, by all means share what you think.

Eli's latest video goes down well with a hearty evening meal:

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PostSubject: Re: Curt Doolittle's *Propertarianism* Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:46 am

Any approach to natural order, whether it be from the perspective of economics, psychology, spirituality, using the appropriate terminology, is on the side I am on.

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