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PostSubject: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:55 pm

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A puppy comes licking the hand that fed it, hoping for some new scraps, but when it is ignores it begins to use its tiny teeth to nibble at the fingertips.
No deflections and avoidance, answer the questions....

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You drone on and on and on about the same topics, re-wording them slightly to reclaim your originality to the core concepts, as if you monopolize them. And you will not allow anybody to take the limelight, for any length of time. You hate when your vanity is exposed, self-proclaimed boyfriend and "guardian" of Lyssa, as if she ever asked for you or needed your help.

You offer no "solutions" to the "problems" you present. You remain hypothetical instead of practical and pragmatic. You claim that you want to "only describe" the world and its illness, but, that is not real life. That is your petulant, childish idealism talking. As if any person here, or on this planet, can avoid taking an active part in (what YOU call) nihilism. As if you have any real authority on the subject? As if you can dictate noble or ignoble values, as if your vague accusations of "self hate" or "self love" have any merit whatsoever without context?
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:58 pm

Is that a challenge or a cry for help?

Link me to where I said I avoid Nihilism...as for the rest, I am as much an authority on life as you are on how to cry for help.
I've offered a definition and an explanation...you and others are free to judge for yourselves.
What I am is Satyr....drawing minds to me, when they've had a taste.

My affirmation of life and nature is found in my son, in my works, in those I inspire to love or to hate me.
My war is ongoing.
you can regurgitate my words and claim them as your own....and each time you do not quote me, you show your metal, and your spirit; and every time you do not offer honor and respect, you deserve none in return.
If you threaten me, like you are prone to do when you "flirt" I may let you nibble on my toes.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:01 pm

Moron, you are so desperate to distinct yourself you only make a bigger fool out of yourself. The need to be "Unique", "original" - just because it makes you feel special, nothing better than the modern fartist painting walls with his dick.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:07 pm

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Link me to where I said I avoid Nihilism...
Anytime you say "never change", "stay as you are", or emphasize "describing the world" as your primary motive. These are all suggestions of idealistic detachments. Even your mask, "Satyr", is a detachment from reality. You cannot flaunt realism as a value while being such a hypocrite.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:08 pm

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Moron, you are so desperate to distinct yourself you only make a bigger fool out of yourself. The need to be "Unique", "original" - just because it makes you feel special, nothing better than the modern fartist painting walls with his dick.
Calm yourself, mind-slave....

For practice, why don't you begin to think, for once in your short life, how your thoughts, opinions, and philosophy differs from satyr or the core values of this forum. Then, after that, compare how your values are the same, if they even are.

One of the values promoted by this forum is realism instead of idealism. That reality is positively valued and idealism is negatively valued. This should be obvious. Begin there, and do your homework, twerp.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:10 pm

For example, here is a simple contradiction....

How can a person "Describe the world as it is" meanwhile everything is changing and "in flux" as satyr admits? Contradiction. You cannot describe what is constantly in motion, since it changes halfway through. So description is not enough. Description requires constant engagement. And because of this, description is also a form of participation, and immersion within reality.

You see, satyr....this is easy for me. Will you admit to the contradiction, or not, as expected?
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:11 pm

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Link me to where I said I avoid Nihilism...
Anytime you say "never change", "stay as you are", or emphasize "describing the world" as your primary motive.  These are all suggestions of idealistic detachments.  Even your mask, "Satyr", is a detachment from reality.  You cannot flaunt realism as a value while being such a hypocrite.

Little wyrm you understood that as indifference towards world, and men, or indifference to nit-wits, and retards, like you?

You not changing is best for me.
I want you to never try.

Why would I care if a pig evolves?
I can still enjoy pork chops.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:14 pm

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For example, here is a simple contradiction....

How can a person "Describe the world as it is" meanwhile everything is changing and "in flux" as satyr admits?  Contradiction.  
This is how you show how unable to follow you are, after all these years of following me around.

When I describe reality I mean a superior description, not an absolute final one.
How many times have I said "approximation" little wyrm?
Flux is, but not at a rate where no patterns can be found and be used to understand, nit-wit.

All is changing but patterns remain consistent over long periods of time...like the pattern you represent.
If it were not so life would be impossible.

See why it is "easy" for you?
You are a simpleton.
After all these years and you have understood practically nothing.
All YOU talk about is pussy and how to get laid....with your "analysis" of females, which you got from me and my original "feminization of mankind" essay.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:17 pm

So desperate to be noticed, you know you merely copy paste in abstract understanding Satyr's words and now you feel raped and thus want to claim as if your repulsive pregnancy was through selection, chosen marriage. You have no potency, just a parrot desperate to be known as inventor of language.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:19 pm

I suggest the wyrm sharpen his tiny teeth on something smaller...something on his level.
There are plenty of nit-wits on ILP....
Proving himself by dominating them will show his nature.
So far he's tried, desperately tried, with no success.
He was supposed to have dominated and taken over KT, and I am still waiting.

Beware, the Messiah Jacob of Amsterdam is looking for converts for his "new" cult, and he may seduce you with love and promises, and tender caresses.
You would make a good Judas.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:20 pm

Too late, you've already admit that all is flux.

You fail to consider the context of everything. If a rock is sitting on the ground, unmoved, then how is it "in flux" and in motion? If no outside force acts upon it then does it, after a billion years, just disappear? Does it grow larger? No, it remains the same. It remains as it is....just like how you demand others do, when challenging your small ego.

Truth is this....

Things do remain the same, when the context is unchanged. Objects require outside forces to change, to be "in flux". A rock does not disappear or grow, magically, after a billion years.

This is called the law of conservation of energy, matter is neither destroyed nor created. It contradicts your idea that "all is in flux".

Instead, what you're referring to is nothing more than your maximum capacity to predict, or pass judgment, on others....on other things or even other people.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:23 pm

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So desperate to be noticed, you know you merely copy paste in abstract understanding Satyr's words and now you feel raped and thus want to claim as if your repulsive pregnancy was through selection, chosen marriage. You have no potency, just a parrot desperate to be known as inventor of language.
Still nothing, boy???

Let this question sink into your mind: how do your thoughts, ideas, values differ from satyr or this website, and its public promotion of "reality"?

Are you a realist or idealist? Or will you contradict yourself so quickly and easily as satyr demonstrates here?
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:24 pm

"Outside forces" - and the stone is not a part of the "outside", playing video games much - little autist.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:24 pm

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Too late, you've already admit that all is flux.

You fail to consider the context of everything.  If a rock is sitting on the ground, unmoved, then how is it "in flux" and in motion?  If no outside force acts upon it then does it, after a billion years, just disappear?  Does it grow larger?  No, it remains the same.  It remains as it is....just like how you demand others do, when challenging your small ego.

Truth is this....

Things do remain the same, when the context is unchanged.  Objects require outside forces to change, to be "in flux".  A rock does not disappear or grow, magically, after a billion years.

This is called the law of conservation of energy, matter is neither destroyed nor created.  It contradicts your idea that "all is in flux".

Instead, what you're referring to is nothing more than your maximum capacity to predict, or pass judgment, on others....on other things or even other people.

Incredible....
He's almost as bad as cAnus.

Value Ontology...give it a try.
I've explained myself a hundred times, in a hundred different ways, and others have also.
Now I keep that for those who do get it.
After years, you are as I predicted a long time ago: a lost cause.

I really do not care what you think...
I don't want you to try to understand.
I want you to remain as you are.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:26 pm

Idealism is always present, moron, it is about what kind of ideals and how much, to what an degree, it is possible to represent the ideal.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:29 pm

An ideal is either rooted in reality or it is a pure abstraction, a noumenon with no references outside the brain.
Nihilistic ideals, like eternal love, life, universal morality, the one, wholeness, the end of war and suffering....are projections that contradict the real, or past/nature.
Realistic ideals are based no real world phenomena. They are a continuance of the past/nature.

Both nihilist and realist are idealists, since idealism is the projection of an abstraction, an idea(l).

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:29 pm

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I want you to remain as you are.
Oh but I understand your contradiction perfectly....

People, as are all things, in "flux". You cannot have it both ways, twerp.

Things either constitute more or less of a "Resistance" to existence. Your demand for others to "remain the same" is just an extension of your idealism, desiring predictability where it eludes you.


Hmmm, I think this spot is just fine. Do you own this forum or something? Not Apoasha??
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:31 pm

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Idealism is always present,
Maybe for you...but not for others necessarily.

Explain yourself, how is "idealism always present"?

What is more or less real, the past, the present....or the future??? Is the distant past or future, more reality or more idealism???

Explain, if you can, and if you dare try....
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:35 pm

I apologize for denying you the material you were regurgitating...ahem being inspired by, for years...but you see, my own interests are served by not having imbeciles corrupt them with their stupidity and them pretend they are representing my views.

But, of course, moron, you never stay as you are, but you decline with every passing moment.
What I mean by "stay as you are" is never advance, never grow, never improve, remain on that level.
Your inability to read words artistically reminds me of your autism.  
It's sad....and what made you take my positions of women and interpret them as women are absolutely other than men.

The "contradictions" are in your head.
I really cannot waste more time on you.
The messiah is willing to do so. I advise you to receive inspiration elsewhere.
Some other, on ILP, is going to revolutionize human thinking, wyrm...he's beating you at your own game.
He's gathering a following, females included, and planning a get-together that will decide human destiny for centuries to come.
Are you going to let him steal your thunder, baby dragon?
He is the Red Dragon...you, still blue.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:37 pm

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OhFortunae wrote:
Idealism is always present,
Maybe for you...but not for others necessarily.

Explain yourself, how is "idealism always present"?

What is more or less real, the past, the present....or the future???  Is the distant past or future, more reality or more idealism???

Explain, if you can, and if you dare try....

This is how the wyrm begs....his flirting is almost the same. He approaches a woman and says with a firm masculnie voice:
"You know you want to fuck me, bitch!!! You are mine whore!!!"

And the women get weak to their knees.
It's cute.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:38 pm

The past is what we are as manifestation, past-continuous, cause and effect; from the past you predict the probablity of future manifestations. Hence racial data is not outdated not even after a 100 years. Changes are Always present, but it is about the degree and in relationship to.

We Always idealise, an abstraction, an desire; but this ideal should be as much as possible in touch with reality; for example: people Always project some kind of illusion of an ideal, though let this illusion not be out of touch with nature, health and reality. To propagate the highest aesthetic of human bodies co-existing with the ideal of Will and intellect and bravery, is the illusion to progress towards in my perspective of health, but since not all have the capacity to reach such mental and physical symmetry as is portrayed by the ancient Greek statues, nor are all as brave, you cannot expect people to actually become as those statues. It is about projecting, becoming the most of your potency, but each its limit.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:43 pm

satyr wants to cowardly avoid his contradiction, that's fine....let's see what one of his mind-slaves has to offer instead

OhFortunae wrote:
The past is what we are as manifestation, past-continuous, cause and effect; from the past you predict the probablity of future manifestations. Hence racial data is not outdated not even after a 100 years. Changes are Always present, but it is about the degree and in relationship to.

We Always idealise, an abstraction, an desire; but this ideal should be as much as possible in touch with reality; for example: people Always project some kind of illusion of an ideal, though let this illusion not be out of touch with nature, health and reality. To propagate the highest aesthetic of human bodies co-existing with the ideal of Will and intellect and bravery, is the illusion to progress towards in my perspective of health, but since not all have the capacity to reach such mental and physical symmetry as is portrayed by the ancient Greek statues, nor are all as brave, you cannot expect people to actually become as those statues. It is about projecting, becoming the most of your potency, but each its limit.
You didn't answer my question....

You twerps cannot accuse others of autism when you can't read and respond to simple questions....is the past, the present, or the future more or less real? What is reality? Is it 1000000 years ago? Is it right now? Is it the distant future? When is reality?


Reality is present. Many will claim that the past is much more real than the future because "the past cannot change". Therefore, according to the same reasoning, whatever the distant past is, is most unchanging. Most "out of flux".

You see, retards, this is simple....you should have understood this by now.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:48 pm

The past is real for we are its manifestation and we can trace what happened through exploring present scars / combinations / manifestations; and we too idealize for there is no absolute observer present in the past nor anywhere. Are you that fucking autistic..
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:52 pm

It's pointless asking rhetorical questions, so I'll just give you fools a few answers and my insight.

Most people perceive time like this. The past is unchanging. And the more "into the past" you go, the more unchanging it is. Here is an easy question to dispel the illusion. Can you change the past, or not? No? Therefore, you cannot change the past as the past is unchanging. Instead "the present" is a mix of change and unchange. But the future, is chaotic, and changes the most. Thus people try to predict the future, since the more "into the future" you go, the more changing and chaotic it becomes.

Now, my understanding of time (and therefore understanding of change and "flux") is deeper. Not only do I understand satyr's ideas better than he knows them, himself...I go further, as any respectable thinker would.

Think about time. Where and when does "most change" occur? Past, present, or future?


And if this question is too difficult, as it seems to be with For tuna, then consider consciousness. Human consciousness focuses on the present, on the "right here and now". Most people, including the readers of this forum, live and think day to day. They think only of "right now". They don't consider a week ago in the past, or a week "forward" into the future. They're only conscious of right now.

Therefore their understanding of change, and ideals about time, is limited to their immediate consciousness and proximity.


But that's not reality. The consciousness of one human, means very little.

Shall I go further??
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:56 pm

Oh, please do...this is fascinating.

I think you should run this by a brilliant mind, a seer, a prophet.
He will accept everybody into his cult.
All you need is to value self, and you are already way ahead in that area.

He's the Jacob of Amsterdam....applications are being accepted as we speak for an up and coming event.
You would fit in there nicely.
He calls his group by the unassuming name "Philosophers".
I would loooooove to see you in a vid explaining your "philosophy" to the world.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:00 pm

Go further, yes you remain as mediocre in thinking as you have Always been and will Always be.
Of course the farther into the future the less predictable because of all is inter-active; damn, such a lil' retarted American autist, you think you are teaching anybody, moron - so desperate to distinct from others, your shit is so Original, it has peanuts.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:00 pm

When a pair of pathetic, small egos, can't read and respond to simple questions, with simple answers, then this demonstrates a lot about them. It proves all you really need to know.

Can a conversation, dialogue, or debate be had with shit for brains who....cannot understand basic ideas? I expose a simple contradiction here. How can everything, and everybody, be in "flux", constantly changing, yet satyr constantly admits he wants people to stay "as they are"?

I've mentioned another contradiction before, regarding satyr, that he has yet to answer to....are people "part of the world" or not? To him, it's anybody's guess. He seems to disassociate people from the world as if they are separated, like the mind-body split?

I, personally, don't consider others and people, or anything at all, to be separated from "the world". Are humans separate from the world? And if yes, then how?


I ask these questions hypothetically, because I know the retards either cannot, or will not answer them, and especially will not answer them without acting like petulant children. They will not take these questions as adults, as mature thinkers, capable of philosophy. They won't give these ideas the insight that they need, and deserve, from all else interested in philosophy.

Who, here, can do philosophy justice? Who can actually extrapolate some simple concepts with basic reasoning? Who can actually do the thought work?


No, instead, we'll focus on little dramas, and who likes who, and who has the bigger penis......

(It's me, by the way)
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:02 pm

Satyr wrote:
Oh, please do...this is fascinating.

I think you should run this by a brilliant mind, a seer, a prophet.
He will accept everybody into his cult.
All you need is to value self, and you are already way ahead in that area.

He's the Jacob of Amsterdam....applications are being accepted as we speak for an up and coming event.
You would fit in there nicely.
He calls his group by the unassuming name "Philosophers".
I would loooooove to see you in a vid explaining your "philosophy" to the world.
Perhaps it will be arranged
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:03 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
so desperate to distinct from others,
Is that a problem for you?

It's no problem for me..........
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:03 pm

We really have no credentials equal to yours.

Your application can be uploaded [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
They are on your level of "philosophy".
Maybe you can take over.
JofA is a generous soul...and he loves competition.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:04 pm

So people do not age, degenerate, grow - experience, shelter, hide, expose, be judged; no epi-genetics? Because humans can change to an degree and in relationship to does not mean change is without limit, of course you change, but you remain as you are, get it - it is your limit.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:08 pm

It is your desperation, the need, which is so pathetic - and hence forced, alike a negro 'I am be seen with muh juwels thus I exist'.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:14 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
So people do not age, degenerate, grow - experience, shelter, hide, expose, be judged; no epi-genetics? Because humans can change to an degree and in relationship to does not mean change is without limit, of course you change, but you remain as you are, get it - it is your limit.
Demonstrate some of the "nuance" that you and satyr like to brag about, without ever proving.....prove it now.

What is your standard for determining and judging change. Who decides? What decides? How is change measured. Don't offer simple, childish semantics, without explanation, as satyr does often. Explain yourself fully. Prove your standard for change. What is your basis? What is your foundation? And how is what you offer, anything other than subjective, based on your personal opinion?

Can a standard and measure for change ever be objective? Can a standard of change truly be "based on reality"?

Or isn't it true, simply, that your "standard for change" is nothing more than your personal, childish, petulant ideals??
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:19 pm

I think you exposed our lie....this stuff is over my head.
Like I said, you need to see someone higher up in the brains department.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:28 pm

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OhFortunae wrote:
So people do not age, degenerate, grow - experience, shelter, hide, expose, be judged; no epi-genetics? Because humans can change to an degree and in relationship to does not mean change is without limit, of course you change, but you remain as you are, get it - it is your limit.
Demonstrate some of the "nuance" that you and satyr like to brag about, without ever proving.....prove it now.

What is your standard for determining and judging change.  Who decides?  What decides?  How is change measured.  Don't offer simple, childish semantics, without explanation, as satyr does often.  Explain yourself fully.  Prove your standard for change.  What is your basis?  What is your foundation?  And how is what you offer, anything other than subjective, based on your personal opinion?

Can a standard and measure for change ever be objective?  Can a standard of change truly be "based on reality"?

Or isn't it true, simply, that your "standard for change" is nothing more than your personal, childish, petulant ideals??

Another one for in my collection of most imbecilic encounters; the world is there to see. Is there any chance that the next generation of negroes will be different from the current one, what standard to measure, what pattern, how to Judge, what are the standards. The standard is relative for each individual, potency, capacity and we too have averages, get it; but to stick with the individuals - we measure them through the past and to the ideals related to degree of realism and the quality of mind. As if I cannot Judge you to be a imbecilic autist alike I can Judge cows to be more simple in perception than humans.
Now, of course, evolution is relative to ideals; as I see the likes of you as degeneracy, as well the progressives who want to miscegenate the Europeans; their ideal of evolution, my ideal is to raise above human(e) characteristics defined by judeo-xtian values; but nature does not care.

The standard now is the current manifestation and to be aware of its interactivity, past-continuous. Change is, I do not decide over all the flux; but I can easily recognize pretence, like Lady Gaga tries to be Original by changing her outfits but the substance remains as it is, retarded crap, like you.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:40 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
The standard is relative for each individual,
So you admit that you're an idealist and not a realist, no objective standard to measure ideals, or such a concept as time and change?

That's what I thought. It obviously takes a realist to pop these protected, childish, bubble-worlds that you and satyr are living in.


You've contradicted yourself. There can be no standard of reality, of change, of time, of superior or inferior, without contexts. Is mere survival the context? How about nobility and virtue? According to whom, you? You see, this is where scum like you, compared to me, differ. I embrace reality. You cannot advocate such ideals without first having them as a reality. You must lead by example, hypocrite.

So how do you lead by example? What is noble and virtuous about you? What is superior about you?


Your mind? Your judgment? Your ideals? Your reasoning? Definitely not! What a joke you are, boy!? Pathetic!

Next time you or satyr feel like a challenge, hone your minds a little sharper. Twerps
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:47 pm

What is noble for the progressive: to miscegenate, to drown yourself in the cess-pool of humanity - nobility is relative idealism, just like fucking evolution, get it, you fucked up lower-dog. There is no absolute perception of reality / idealism, it is about DEGREES; get it, you lil autistic Chihuahua. I literally explained just moments ago about how idealism should be a projection but as much as possible to be traced back to reality, to represent. What a cancerous Manimalistic brain, not able to understand.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:58 pm

I understand all to well, boy

You toss around labels like "autistic" while living in your own bubble world, admitting that "ideals are relative". Relative to what, I asked you. And you were unable to respond. There can be no loyalty to "reality" while you reference your own, subjective, personal, opinion. You fail to demonstrate this "nuance" and degree, that you and satyr tout so often.

I will prove what you cannot. Ideals must be compared. Reality must be observed without pride or prejudice. Reality is a matter of is, not what is wanted. In fact, to properly investigate and understand reality, you must admit to what is not preferable. And definitely what is not a matter of opinion.

In this way, you are exposed, like the disobedient child you are. You demonstrate NO nobility, no virtues, no higher or superior values. Where are they?


To begin to have any form of "higher ideal", or virtue, or nobility, you need to first raise the bar. And you must definitely demonstrate your own ability first. Lead by example. If you cannot, then all you have is hear say. Rumor. Empty words. Declarations. Insinuations. Meaningless.

Demonstrate the quality of your mind, here, now. And you have. And you're not impressive......

Try again!
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:02 pm

And a degree is no contrast, no relationship, no comparison - moron; you truly cannot understand. I am done with you, of course you may go on as I expect you will, you never are done with your compulsive masturbation and desire to impregante some random womb/mind by throwing your pathetic semen in the wind hoping for some kind of insemination.
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