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Imbeciles like "Wyld" and company on ILP still trying to Artificially separate "rational-moderate" muslims from irrational fanatic muslims, as IF, Islam were, or could be anything other than the aggressive continuation of nihilism inaugurated by J-Xt. "zealots" and their "zeal" as Sloterdijk termed it, for banishing reality-as-it-is.

As if the "moderates" reading their Quran everyday living a "peaceful" life, in the "righteous way" carrying on the zeal of what is True, is disconnected from zealotry of the fanatics…

Arguing for artificial diversities, such as the necessity of muslims to keep the other two zealots in place is as absurd as saying cancer is useful for weight-loss…

People who voted out the discriminators, all for the sake of some fags' right to pleasure themselves whichever way, in the name of "liberty" and "love" and "human rights" and such culture of pleasure, cannot but inevitably face a culture of mindless pain, "meaningless" suffering… how could it be any other way in a culture of pure hedonism?

If "anything goes" for pleasure, so will "anything goes" for pain.

'Rational' is seeking pleasure, in his thinking. He wants to turn Muslims into pleasure seekers, pleasure valuers, atomised pleasure seekers, like him. He thinks he is being rational because he thinks his values are rational. Rational = my good/what I deem good.

About his 'you can't fight hate with hate'.
There are two ways how the zealot seeks to destroy - one is by trying to totally eradicate a thing, the other is to totally embrace it and disappear it and oneself in that unity.

Wyld is a romantic J.-Xt., self-infatuated with the "idea" of himself being rational and a "well-balanced" individual.
He's in love with this image of himself to himself.

And we all know what "well-balanced" means: Clinging to the safe fence line of PC that produces artificial hybrids and ruptures.
Entertaining Nature's under-ranked by ascribing equal "equality" to them, as if they were the same species, as if all that was needed was education - enough to appear and pass off as rational individuals in public, while reading The Book in private.

"Well-balanced" means playing into lies of 'all can be reasonable, if it only weren't for x, y, z…';
It means lets not be prejudiced in the face of facts knocking at your face.

Compared to such "maturity" of putting mud into a machine and expecting ice-creams to come out,, the rest are "fanatics", "immature" to Wyld.

As if, it doesn't matter What the holy book said, we can artificially bifurcate moderate muslims as those who want to practise said "holy wisdom" without enforcers - the muslim fanatics.
The content itself doesn't matter, as if the plague only boiled down to plain force.
As if, the private delusions of people do not affect globally in the long run.

As if, it doesn't first start as the right to dual laws [wearing burqa, right to banning eating during ramadan, etc.] - little "moderate" values that permeate, then growing into "quotas" and right to representation in universities, work-places, seats of power, UN, etc.,, pretending to be "reasonable" and "educated", which perpetuates the opinion that Islam is a rational religion, that aid the fanatics to exploit, not that they ever needed any reason in the first place.

As if, examples like "moderate" Malaysia and such could be any argument…;
as if, given power and resources on its side, it too, wouldn't prove to be a fanatic hotbed at the "world table of reasonable men".

Moderates are not necessarily the poor victims of fanatics, but the base Air-conditioning, oxygenating the fanatics…

Sloterdijk calls Islam, the zeal for perfection - the zeal to be a more perfect rationalism of J.-Xt., the zealous belief that it already Is a more rational improvement of it:

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Whether one ascribes the term rational to the moderate nihilists practising delusions reasonably, rationally, perfecting it even more,,, or to the extreme nihilists practising delusions in the belief they have the highest reason, it does not matter, since this hybrid confusion has its source in that first inversion of Reality made abstract as Word,, and therefore what passes off as enlightenment rationalism/objectivity is a Nihilism, and subjective solipsism rationalized into and as Objectivity.

Fanatics being replaced by rational moderate democrazies like in Iraq is what encouraged and spawned ISIS.
They suddenly realized, we dont need outsiders to break the system, we can do it ourselves, and while we are at it, lets take out all that is in power anywhere.
The fanatic barbarians removed, the moderate barbarians capitalized on the opportunity.
- The belief in entitlement, the "right-to…".
ISIS were "moderate" professors in universities and "educated" journalists, etc.

Stability in the mid-east bought at any cost, no matter what kind of (demo-)crazy one uses like gum to cement volatilities, will have collateral; this is to be expected.
As if nature could be channeled away, im-pressed down by force or seduction of dreams of a better life, would ever hold for long...

Immigration-controls only buy time;
problem has to be attacked at its root,, dis-ease has to be exposed,, as it is now exposing its self…, and at this price.

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There is no evidence of racial superior enlightenment in your ilk, be it you or Sauwelios. It is just delusional word games peddled around on Storm Front forums. You haven't the slightest clue how bad your gibberglobbery goop excuse for ideas contradict and defeat your own supporting evidenced when matched up against history.

You, like any Nietzschean, lack a spiritual nature, because there is no fucking such thing. It isn't a separate category, isn't a anatomical isolate, there is no faith or religious region of the brain, and Ethics are based largely off our neuralchemical reactions to concrete phenomena.... all homo sapiens react to phenomena, such are fight or flight, similarly. There isn't a race on the planet that hasn't created a urban civilization. They have popped up in Africa to South America, Oceania, China and the middle east, and on the plains. We gained a lot of out pattern of urbanization from Egypt and Mesopotamia.

You talk like a damn fool, and the ideas aren't even originally yours. I've seen them plenty before. Your so sad and pathetic you had to get your retarded ideas from others.... you couldn't even develop your own idiotic presumptions.

As a white guy a hundred times smarter than you, I ask you, as a favor to the white race, lock your nads up in a chastity cage and go become a cave hermit.... we don't need your stupid genes floating around in the gene pool. Your genetic pollution, dumbing everyone down considerably. I will take a gang banger shooting wildly over your flop ass useless mind anyday.

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1. By lacking a 'spiritual nature', he means a J.-Xt. nature.

2. By White, he means Only skin colour and then call the other who has a more 'spiritual' definition of White, a racist.

Now, that's him being a hypocrite, not the other. Always has been.

Im going to try to catch me some..

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He sounds like a wyld one.

How many imbeciles will it take for one to offer an alternative to the theory presented.

From Evolution Theory we get the process of species emergence - a common ancestral population is split into groups, separated geographically, and affected environmentally...based on Darwin's observations of finch populations in the Galapagos.
In time these populations will begin to drift genetically, and this drift will manifest as a physical/mental differentiation.
 

Okay, so some challenge this description of how evolution produces the many species we see in nature.
Alternative!!!
God is taken and debunked.
Magic?
Okay coming from the van-clan I expect some self-valuing willing of divergence.
I want a step by step explanation as to how magically one species diverges from a common ancestor, like humans chimpanzees gorillas.
Is that too much to ask?

All I get is psychobabble by those who are clueless about human nature...or generally clueless.

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Interesting thing to note the similarities between a male getting anally penetrated which ultimately feminizes the "soul" and the recent doc i posted where young boys who were molested usually develop feminine dispositions and emerge homosexual.

Then excessive promotion of "love" for the "good of the world", meaning humanity, further meaning reduced discrimination and increased feminization where no battle with any lion is necessary, usually resulting in such global love as homoerotic in nature.

I told the chimpanzee months ago that he would, in time, be ignored and admonished by his own fellow nihilists on ILP.
I told him when he was attacking me as a Randian windmill, screaming the battlecry
"Death to Ojectivists!!!"
I told him the kind of objectivity he despised, was to be found in his own mindset, among his own Nihilists, as there are two ways to conceptualise the end of existence....ice or fire...as Frost said.
As an absolute nil, or an absolute one.
I told the chimp his true nemesis was on ILP, because he has no clue what Satyr is saying or stands for.
Told the poor thing and ignored it, until it retuned to the den of dimwits to fight the monsters in its mind.

What happened when his brand fo stupidity inevitably frustrated higher grade of morons on ILP?
What happened when I took myself out of the picture, so as to not rally the idiots behind their shared animosity for Satyr?

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Without a common foe to unite their stupidity, they turned on each other, as was expected.

Here's a pragmatic application of perceiving patterns....you learn to identify the behaviour before others, and you are aware of its potentials, not wasting any more time on it than you must.
Simple pattern re-cognition.

I recently exposed Pandora as a narcissistic feminist misandrist who dreams of a matriarchal dominion, she tries to hide it carefully though, but it becomes increasingly clear..

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I saw...good job.

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Ugly can be measured by it's repulse. if it makes you want to look away, it is ugly, if it draw you in closer, it is beautiful.

of course, some things can be so ugly that we find ourselves consciously deciding to look closer, of course while fighting still our internal energies still being repulsed by it.

Which i pretty much agree with..

and Kriswest responds with..

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That is true for the ignorant and emotional. Uneducated and emotions describe beauty and ugly in such a primitive perspective as that.

I responded by suggesting that the reason why Kriswest stated the above is because she is probably ugly and her babies are ugly too, naturally..

I got banned lol

Which is interesting since there is a bit of insulting already going on in that thread..but calling modern babies ugly is an automatic ban!

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Ugly can be measured by it's repulse. if it makes you want to look away, it is ugly, if it draw you in closer, it is beautiful.

of course, some things can be so ugly that we find ourselves consciously deciding to look closer, of course while fighting still our internal energies still being repulsed by it.

Which i pretty much agree with..

This only mentioned how this phenomenon makes you react, it does not define what it is that makes you react in this way.
Like saying "Good" is what makes me feel pleasure.

In my own definition of beauty, which also defines "ugly", I offer two contexts which are really one....the asymmetrical, and the unfit.
The second indicated by disproportional of organs, limbs, particularly those engaged in the mating process and rituals.

Symmetry is another way of saying order, or pattern.
In a cosmos tending towards increasing randomness (chaos) order would be attractive, powerful, inspiring....
Proportionality is symmetry when reproduction is taken into account - the sexual impulse forgiving the asymmetry organic necessity forces upon the organism.
Mechanics imposing a degree of asymmetry, ignored by a mind taken over by the mating frenzy.
Yet, symmetry is important as organ proportionality.

Now, the asymmetrical can be "charming", because it comforts us with it reminder of our own imperfect symmetry.

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"mannequin"and Kriswest responds with..

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That is true for the ignorant and emotional. Uneducated and emotions describe beauty and ugly in such a primitive perspective as that.

I responded by suggesting that the reason why Kriswest stated the above is because she is probably ugly and her babies are ugly too, naturally..

I got banned lol

Which is interesting since there is a bit of insulting already going on in that thread..but calling modern babies ugly is an automatic ban!

This is how all morons respond, all Moderns.
They accuse the other of an emotion, because their won positions are emotionally founded, and offer no reasoning.
This is ad hom at its purest.

They believe that by destroying the source, they also destroy what the source exposed them to.
Chimpanzee used the subtle: imply a weakness, and the entire edifice crumbles....with no alternative required.
Parity in the negative.
Simply reject all theories, that hurt our feelings, and offer no alternative explanation for the experienced....

Like the analysis the other moron gave of race and racism, by offering a simpleton's pseudo-psychological ramblings as to why some, the "ill", the "haters", of course, recognize races, and think them relevant....and then, the moron, offers no explantation as to why humans lack sub-types, such as breeds in other species, and how evolution would work, without such intermediate stages.
His own anxiety is projected upon the other, leaving him with pristine narcosis, purified love, with no hate.
He rids himself of it, by accusing the other, who reminds him of nature's "viciousness", turning this other into a representation of everything he despises about himself, and of the past/nature that made him so.

With Krisie, the mother-hen, it is her own anxiety projected as a hidden motive, on the one reminding her of how unfair nature can be.
She offers no alternative definition, because this would expose what a simpleton she is, and how emotive her arguments are.


To the definition of beauty as symmetry and proportionality, indicating health and reproductive fitness, she has spiritual emotional, secularized Abrahamic, mystification.
The only answer such an imbecile will accept is an echo of the chimpanzee's...."all is subjective" "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
To put the standard outside the choice of every individual is taking away a comforting power....it is fascism fascism.
Tortured by reality.
Power externalized is authoritarian....and conscious, because nature is denied such cruelty.
There has to be a motive, to justify victimhood, otherwise who are you the victim of?
Your own past/nature, unconscious, indifferent, (inter)actions you had no hand in bringing about, imposing themselves upon your presence, limiting you?

You will find this common trait in all Nihilism, no matter how creative they can be when they no longer have to abide by anything but personal tastes and comforting ideas....nature has to be given a motive, a sideways insertion of consciousnesses - Godliness.
Even the so-called atheists cannot resist the temptation.
So, if you talk about breeds of humans, races, it is because of a motive, not because you are reporting a phenomenon all can perceive, bringing it to light, uncovering it.
There has to be a motive, an emotion behind it, implying consciousness.
Absence of God makes the motive human. So say something bad, and the motive is yours.
How the natural phenomenon makes them feel, cannot be blamed on a god, but it can be blamed on the one bringing it to their attention.

Nature remains benevolent, kind, forgiving, malleable to human preferences....to changes in attitude.
If it feel bad to think of races of men, then it must not be nature's indifferent cruelty, but the product of a sick mind.
If it feels bad to know that some are born beautiful and others ugly, then it must not be a result of nature's unfairness, part of natural selection, but motivated by an evil sickness.

See, everyone born is automatically lovable, smart, beautiful, strong, equal, valuable,....
How Evolution works for them, I can only imagine.
They will never dare say.....they will become more laughable if they do.

Out of the Flux we emerge, incomplete, partial order, striving to return to the near-absolute, recognizing ourselves in all patterns, as echoes of the Big Bang, dreaming of breaking free from this process, when we realize it is converging towards the near-absolute from a new direction.

We do not vote on what beauty is....we emerge, awaken, into the world, in Flux, and our order we find pleasing.
We appreciate patterns, order, symmetry, because we depend on it - we are a degree of it.

Males do not decide that breasts and hips and round buttocks are sexy....they are inclined to do so, because these indicate fitness., and reproductive potential.
There was no meeting.
No vote was held where one side won....

Man does not create patterns he is a congruity of patterns, awakening to them, and reproducing them,a s art, as a refection of himself.
There is no culture that would decide that this...
...is beautiful.

Man does not create, he un-covers.
When he creates he does so by combining what he has un-covered.

Beauty as taste...
Man does not decide if he is going to like sugars and fats and proteins....he has no choice in the matter.
He has a choice over how to prepare these natural elements, how to present them, how to prepare/cook them, but not to not have a taste for them.
His particular organic order might determine if he prefers more sugar than protein, the proportions of fat to sugar, but not that he will find these elements tasty.
He might prefer to get his proteins from chicken and not beef, because of his particular organ hierarchy, the chemistry of his body but he does not decide he does not need proteins.
Therefore, a man might cloth beauty differently, symbolize it differently, accentuate it differently, may have a different taste in proportions, but he cannot declare the asymmetrical beautiful, or the unfit sexy, no more than he can call feces tasty and noise a nice tune.

Civility, not wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, retaining network ties, comforting, giving hope, is behind political correctness.
It's political.
All about silence, manipulation and reciprocity.

Culture emerges and integrates nature into it, (meme extension of gene) it does not create beauty, or races, or sexual types, it assimilates them into its symbolism, and harmonizes them, if it can.
The idea(l) that race, sex, beauty are social constructs IS a social construct.

Nihilists cannot help but contradict themselves when their ideals are confronted by the real.
It is only in sheltering, when they have nothing at stake, where they can surrender to theoretics, to mind-farting relief, and the benefit of the doubt...or when they want to exploit a pre-existing delusion/weakness.

But, of course, the organism would value highly what makes it possible.
This does not make it a universal ideal.
The cosmos does not have the organism as its highest goal, because it has no telos, no motive.  
It simply means that the organism, being order(ing), depending on order, finds order irresistible, seductive, tasty, beautiful, preferably.
The proportions, the forms, are determined by the particulars of the organism - its organ hierarchy, the internal balances of weakness/strengths: repulsion/attraction.  
Then it develops a symbolism a way to accentuate and hide, a method of perfecting according to taste, according to custom.
More salt, pepper, cumin, some nutmeg, spices of all kinds....all a matter of accentuating sugars and fats, and proteins...big breasts, round asses, hip to waist ration, hair colour, jewelry, makeup, cosmetic surgery, accentuating proportionality of patterns.

Man is attracted to order, not only because of the aforementioned, but because of its promise - that it can prolong its own existence...so it finds sexual fitness, symmetry a sa product of resistance to Flux, a sure sign of higher potential.

Again....there is physical symmetry and mental symmetry, or what we call intelligence, but wisdom would be more precise, because intelligence can be insane.
Wisdom as balance, symmetry - sophia.
We friends of wisdom.

Crazy makes noise, is loud, distracting, useless, in the end.
Unfit.
It promises nothing.
We can pity it, but we cannot lie.
Well, at least not to ourselves.

ILP is, and forever will be KT's petri dish.
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At this point Nihilism and my thesis on memes/genes are being regurgitated.

Herd manimals feed and swallow....and know not from where, nor how, nor why.

I guess we could find plenty of others, but it would take time to psychoanalyze the different characters, and what particular nihilistic viral strain is infecting each one.
On ILP we can enjoy Abrahamism debating itself, as one strain attempts to dominate the other, and control the host.
a basic concept in Nihilistic memetics is that it is an idea(l), a noumenon lacking a reference to phenomena, to world, and so attempts to become so - it follows the reverse direction of development, which is typical of nihilism: inversion world, negation of past/nature, and then replacing it with symbols/words.
Inversion of the relationship of symbols to noumena/phenomena.

This is its greatest weakness.
It can only exist in minds, and then only in minds able to process words - sharing the same meanings (interpretations, relationships), same semiotics.
The range of effect stops with non-living patterns, and with organisms with no ability to be trained to interpret symbols/words, or to use language.
The power of nihilism is contained to within humanity.
This is why it measures itself using quantities, and human criteria.

It wants to become real.....with Nihilism genes extended by meme is inverted to meme attempting to become extended by gene.
it's ambition to convert its worthless symbols, its detached form reality words, into real phenomena - and his is why techniques/technologies are so significant to them - language being a technique/technology.
To do so they must, like all viruses do, take over organism, and use them as agencies to replicate itself - extending the range of its effect. It has no other means.
If all the infected would disappear the virus would go return to its crystalline state - existing as code in books, awaiting a host (brain that can read the code) to trigger the replication sequences.
It is, in every other way, impotent....
By its very essence as Nihilistic, it rejects a world it then must survive within, forcing it into compromises, pretences, self-contradictions (schizophrenia), plagiarism, and duplicity.

Why is beauty seductive?
Why does symmetry attract?

It promises.

An organism dependent on patterns, specific patterns in congruity, finds symmetry, and proportionality, attractive because of what it promises as probability.
Remember, probability is another way of saying order.

Order= consistent, predictable, rhythms.
Probability is a reduction of possibility, which is chaos, when it is absolute.
That is what order is...a reduction of possibility = probability.

What is seductive about symmetry, or a specific organ arrangement in specific proportions = increase probability.
As it relates to sexual beauty a heightened probability for healthy offspring.

What does symmetry mean, before a view of a forest, or light reflecting on water...patterns, expanses of space, full of probability, order.
The mind is inspired.
So much symmetry, so much space (possibility) with matter/energy (probability) in it = awe.
The mind flies freely into speculation.

ILP is pathetic and un-readable.

Comparing KT to ILP is like comparing a 45-year-old man to a 15 year-old-girl. Ask either to tell you about the world, give descriptions and explanations, and what will you find? What will each-other say, what wisdom can be procured? ILP is filled with children and mental diseases, with little to no actual focus on 'Philosophy'. Instead ILP has become a social-club and popularity group, each individual there fighting for the lime-light and what little attention can be drawn to their individual variants of disease. A narcissist competes against a transexual, against a solipsist, against an absolutist, against a socialist, against an anarchist, and none of them say *ANYTHING* worthwhile. All of them exposing themselves without exposing wisdom. Because their goals, motives, and ideals are all personal and infantile. Simple attention-seeking behaviors.

They have no genuine interest or pursuit for Philosophy, for wisdom, to seek knowledge and understanding. Of course this factor is limited by each individual's intelligence, and so expose them for what they are. Unintelligent, unwise, and childish, men-children and women-children. As the individual narcissists and nihilists battle to spew word-garbage, the women-children babble incessantly, egging and encouraging them onward. Ugly cows, too. Ever seen beautiful women on ILP, or if so, how long did they stay? A couple weeks? A few? No, instead the females who remain are uglier, stupider, and older than average. No coincidence.

ILP has devolved into a wretched state, after systemically banning and censoring any individual who fought for any type of 'realism', questioning, provocations, and challenging. ILP removed all Challengers quickly, and so, as with all life, stagnates and atrophies. Without such challenging, decay is inevitable. Artificial challenges are most common in Modern and Postmodern society. Thus, like Athletics and Aesthetics, any "human progress" comes from actively maintaining mankind within a hedonistic, decadent, and abundant environment.

The average mind, the Modern, must be forced into action, against his/her will if necessary. That is the only way you will "see something" or worthwhile from its lifetime. Otherwise Moderns are more than happy, and complacent, to live meaningless and worthless lives. Even in a climate ripe for Philosophy, and expanding knowledge and wisdom, they refuse such an offering, and still waste their time.

The division between 'Real' and 'Ideal' becomes clearer. Being stuck in a quagmire of idealism, nihilism, is the Desert of the Real. There is no "reality" there and Moderns (ILP) actively refuse it, at many critical points. They will claptrap and spout loyalty to reality, but only until their limits are reached. And those limits are short and small. Even the "better" minds at ILP do not take long to expose their idealisms, nihilism, and cocooning themselves from reality. Thus ILP is a marketplace of idealisms, revolving around psychosis and psychotics, particular and individualistic mental diseases that seek to justify their illness in a den of like-minded inmates. And so they justify to each-other, up to a point of agreement, and then disagree when the other's disease captivates too much attention. Because the variations of the disease mostly revolve around, exposing their defects and weaknesses, to gain attention, and seek social approval and reassurance, that they aren't "broken" and they aren't Ill.

In this way, ILP is the exact-opposite when it intends and means a pursuit for, or any interest in, Philosophy. And so ILP cannot be tolerated by anybody with a genuine, or even a small interest in, Philosophy.

Faust:

Modernist, Secularist, Academic, immediately ignores opposition deemed "not credible" by other academics, and therefore operates based on peer-review. Authoritarian, whatever academics and modern "scientists" say, is real and true. Most well-read on ILP but also the most predictable. No longer participates on the board actively due to past indiscretions and being exposed as what he is: just another Modern with nothing unique about his views/perspective.

Only_Humean:

Humanist, Secularist, Authoritarian, OH immediately bans and censors anybody who trips the line and "triggers" others, especially himself. His finger sits on the ban-button which he finds most satisfaction for, while on ILP, but cannot explain it. It gives him a sense of power that he lacks elsewhere throughout his life. ILP is his vindication, where he feels important, because he has no such authority in reality. This also serves to verify and reinforce his Humanistic beliefs. He "knows he's right" because, ironically, he is in the position to ban anybody who truly threatens and challenges what he believes in, which is regular, normal, predictable Humanist-claptrap and Modern (im)morality.

Kriswest:

Another Humanist, and Feminist, her father taught her from a young age that she is 'Human' before all else. And so she learned at a young age to identify her Psychosis as a "Human" before herself as a woman. She values "Humanity" before herself as a woman. In this way she believes herself "Equal" with men, as her father taught her, because "All are Human" as she regularly and consistently repeats on ILP over the years. When challenged on the matter, she balks of course. She can't explain her position, but she "just knows it". Surrounding herself with men, a husband, 3 sons, she obviously has an obsession and compulsion to make herself "Equal" with them, just like Daddy always wanted...

Joker:

Anarchist, Nihilist, Humanist, wants to press the 'Reset' button on civilization, but with no actual, real compulsion or motivation to do so. Grown accustomed to modern luxuries, Joker is dominated by Decadence and Hedonism, despite living a poor and impoverished lifestyle. He drives a car, heats his living quarter in Winter, enjoys a bed, and values Dentistry now, after depriving himself of these beforehand. So his Anarchism is actually very limited and does not actually want to bring it "all" crashing down, just the parts he personally dislikes and blames for his own failures in life, those within the institution that personally keep him down, or prevent him from a higher wage. In the end, Joker is content with attention-seeking, like the following ILP members...

Erik/Detrop:

Narcissist, taking "Detrops" previous position on ILP as the resident Narcissist. Self-absorbed and obsessed, cannot do without a mirror for long, or posting selfies online. Everybody must be made aware of how "beautiful" they are, like a woman would do, a woman's compulsion. Obsessed with imagery and appearances, instead of Content and quality. Not very intelligent, low on the totem poll compared to other ILP members. Thus the extent of Narcissistic attention-seeking will revolve around beautiful images and pretty pictures, and saying little to nothing about them, except when another has already said it. Because to speak about beautiful, himself, would expose just how far from philosophy he is. No depth, very shallow, no wisdom. And no loyalty to wisdom, nor true passion for it. Instead the Narcissist seeks philosophy for any justification that beauty is valuable, and ends it there. Philosophy is a means to masturbate, for the Narcissist. This was evident in Detrop by how he regularly bragged about his philosophy seminars, to local drunks or teenage sluts, made him feel great and validated.

Pandora:

Feminist, like Kriswest, has a strong father-daughter bond. Except Pandora went the military route and either serves in the military herself, or her husband does. Pandora is above-average on ILP and probably good-looking, attractive (because she never posts her photo online). Thus she can defend her feminism and feminist values better than others, but when pressed on matters, buckles under a moderate challenger. Thus Pandora is akin to "girlwriteswhat" online, and has deeper personal motivations backing her feminist ideology and idealism, perhaps Pandora has a son, or wishes to someday, and so this prospect contradicts her own feminist values.

Fixed/Pezer/Sauwelios:

Abrahamists, Modernists, Occultists, these few are ones who want to 'Reconcile' modernity with Nietzsche and also some degrees of realism. They dabble in KT, but are intimidated. These three are affected by Nihilism, but less so than average minds. These are the ones who want to Manipulated the masses and use some knowledge, understanding, and wisdom to do so. Postmodern Priests. New Age Gurus. They have not yet tapped into Philosophy and wisdom though, due to hesitations and past interactions, particularly with KT members.

Turd Furg/Ecmandu/Trixie:

Feminine males and attention-seekers, each of these three use their own mental disease as a 'pass', a card ticket, a voucher to legitimize and justify their illnesses online and before a community of other infected morons. ILP is perfect for them and a breeding ground for this type. These are ones who join 'Philosophy' with obviously no intention or value for philosophy, but as a social club where they can be "accepted as they are". They mistake philosophy's "open-mindedness" for social acceptance, failing to realize that most others on ILP despise them just as much as anybody in real life, or anyone on KT for that matter. But the drive to "fit in" with the herd is too much. Turd is a simple-minded moron, spewing pages and pages of word-shit, hoping that Quantity (of words) trumps all else. While saying nothing at all, similar to Arcturus Rising. Turd and Arcturus have an affinity for "word fluff", empty words, shit thoughts, that nobody cares for, and easily ignores. Ecmandu and Trixie reflect other types of mental illness. Trixie is a transexual, supposedly, and was molested as a child. Who cares? These three are the most boring and dull of the bunch.


Arcuturus Rising:

Survived and defended a rape-attempt by some male, not much else is known or said about this incident. Arcturus is an airhead and simpleton, interested in philosophy probably because of some individual in her life who is now absent. Somewhat feminist, she is obsessed with sexual predators and how sexual attraction occurs. Like Turd, she has a penchant for writing paragraphs of word-fluff, with no real points, no worthwhile observations, and no consistency to speak of. Philosophical lightweights. Easily passed over, nothing important to say and will never have a relevant thought in their lifetimes.