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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:34 pm

An example of Jewish methodology helping explain its "genius".

Jesus was a way to connect incompatible world-views; ways of engaging reality, by clouding the connection with mystical clouds.
Ideal and Real, brought together.
A post-Christian era, expects a new connector to emerge, incorporating natural gravity, represented by a Nietzsche, which was no great mass, unless you were born and raised in a low gravity environment.
Nietzsche as the new coils on the new updated overpass, across the same shores.
In the clouds, a magical, mystical force can levitate the connecting bridge, so mesmerizing that men-children, the world over, would walk across it's span, faith in hand, that goes nowhere, but back into an abyss.

Jesus was overcome by technique/technology, but he remained a symbol of levitation above nature/past - we walked on water.
Now, that he is obsolete, what of a new Messiah, a new connector, one that tries to inappropriate into its "solidity" the techniques/technologies, the indifferent gravity, that brought the previous span down?
Why would Satyr care, and not simply enjoy the spectacle of men-children building bridges between incompatible shores - one on earth the other in the heavens?

Why would not Satyr let gravity do what it always does, and simply watch?
Why would not Satyr encourage other men-children, the wold over, attempt the crossing?

Will this not rid him of excess?
Will it not it rid him of the disposable?
Will it not save him time and effort?

Go - go, young weaklings, cowards, sickly and desperate masses....I am the inverted inversion.
I am anti-statue of liberty.

Lazarus, Emma wrote:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

I am the cornerstone of reality.
I am that which you can never escape across the river - you must step into the stream, and never twice.
I am unforgiving.
I am the current of time.
Who, among you, will dare to cross me?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:50 pm

When Bob engages Bill in a futile battle of nit-wits - when one contradicts the other, using its own premises, it is, for Satyr, a joy to behold.
What can be more productive than two versions of incompetence, contradicting and exposing one another?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:26 pm

A degenerate impoverished plebe knows not what aristocracy means.
All he knows is that it makes him feel bad, and so it is something to degrade and dismiss.

Hot even the words themselves, in this case comprised of a combination of ariston and kratos, cannot help a pathetic soul.
All it has to go on is the feelings the word stimulates in his brainwashed, weak, cowardly mind, and it reacts accordingly, with mindless hostility.

But, seriously, what did its, so called wife, send to all these men on-line?
What did she give-up freely to what she makes this poor sod pay for dearly?
How may has his "soul-mate" given to just about anyone who asked, and how proud of this can such a weakling be of what has been common?
Ancient Greeks called such women κοινε, similar to what moderns call the written and spoken Greek of that time...κοινη γραφη...common wring, shared symbols.
We call them, these common females, prostitutes in our day.
Some with a higher price, some with a more affordable price, on inaccessible the other accessible to the average, or below average, male.

It is true, that with age even whores make perfect housewives - after having so many sexual experiences they want to settle down whit the average, the common, the steady, the reliable.
The common settles for the most common m,ale, ans this is fitting
After so many cocks she wants some stability, the easy, the simple the predictable - no more orgasms, she wants food and a roof over her head.
She wants a male that will no longer stress her.
A nice guy.

The reverse is true for a male, but this is not the topic here.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:41 pm

I've alluded to what I mean by patterns, but some don't seem to understand what this eans aboyt them, personally
See, a pattern repeats, and so with men and women, a behavior, if not disrupted by a traumatic, severe, equal pattern, will continue indefinitely - path-of-least-resistance.

What doe this mean?
A women's behavior with and towards her past male friends, lovers etc, indicate a pattern what will, most certainty repeat, with you, in the present, unless yo consider yourself a force of such magnitude and traumatic effect as to disrupt this established pattern.
if you are a arrogant, deluded, imbecile, like many are on ILP, you most certainly fall into the trap of self-delusion and repeat the same mistakes.

It may be so, that you are, for this female, a formidable exception to the rule she's experienced, or her mind/body can tolerate, without stress forcing her to change, but odds are you are not.
Because odds are you are nothing but another sheltered, idiot, broken or so deluded by your own past experiences that you will convince yourself jut about any lie someone flattering you will direct your way.
Your past experiences, notwithstanding, will be ignored, seduced by the possibility, no matter how improbable, that you've found the exception to the rule, that you've come across the ONE.
Chances are, because you are so nihilistic imbecile, prone to consider fact anything that makes you feel good, that flatters and soothes your anxieties, that you are wrong, and chances are you will ignore those doubts and intuitions that creep into your consciousness form a body immune to conscious control.
Chances are that you are so desperate and needy that no matter how many red-flags are presented, you will see nothing but blue.

But, nature is indifferent, and your feelings and well-being, and hopes and dreams side, you are prone, as a man, to be easily manipulated by punani.

Here's what I think...let nature take its course.
it's inevitable given precedent, I know, but who am I to stand in the way of young-love and expectations and entitlement?
Let the gods have their way.
Let time and nature take its course.

Let me watch, from the shorelines, refusing to pay the riverboat man's price.
Not yet.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:08 pm

The ego is like a balloon.
The more hot-air you pump into it, the larger it becomes, and the larger it becomes the more vulnerable every inch of its inflated surface is to the tiniest pinprick.

A weakling cannot tolerate the tinniest sharpness from an external source.
It's overcompensating size is an illusion, hiding a feeble surface, a thin-skin.
The smallest sharp prick, not its own, will cause ti to burst, in a sudden expulsion of hot air, we call a fart.
A fart indicates fermenting toxins.
A bovine expels methane farts regularly, because it feeds and digests and regurgitates continuously.
Herbivores, unlike carnivores, and omnivores, cannot assimilate dense nutrients, so they must compensate with constant munching on very poor in nutritional quality grass.
Carnivores take advantage of the herbivores factory like consistency, to appropriate the amassed energies, in the form of flesh and blood.

Omnivores, like humans, can go either way, and so we have the r/ and the K/ types, liberals and 'fascists'.
Abrahamists, like Marxists, anarchists, Jedoe-Christian/Islamist, secular humanists, and paganists, Indo-Europeans.

Herbivores take advantage of leftovers, reduce to mulch, cadavers, rotting flesh and bones, and carnivores take advantage of these leftovers invigorated by the sunlight, and converted into flesh.
Its a simply cycle.
But simple things are difficult for simpletons.





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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:27 pm

What's funny is that a male is not looking for a mate, but a means to an end.
Once the end is met, bye bye means.
This is also true of females but for them the ends are more long-term, more demanding of tolerance and investments.
This is the difference that makes men seem alien to women and vice versa.
A matter of degree.

But what if the ends is ongoing, never fulfilled, then we call this needy.
Needy is never sexy, never attractive, but it is easy, and it is reliable.
Need has a pattern of its own.
Need is absence of absolute personified.
Need has no will, like mindless matter, patterns with no motive.

Being needy and exploiting neediness prolongs the means, because the end is never met.
It is either delusional, romantic, unreal, or not attainable by the particular organism.
The individual strives for what it can never have - proverbial wild goose chase.
Both master an slave are trapped in an endless cycle, of reciprocal need.
Both may want to exit this relationship, each for their own reasons, but cannot, depending on the degree of codependency.

Now, you see, the needs of a female and those of a male, are rarely coincidental.
Different reproductive roles manifest in different ends.
What happens is environment imposes upon female a limit, and nature imposes a limit upon male.
These limits are not coincidental either.
As a consequence both are lying to each other.
One more than the other, depending on environment and degree of need.
As a consequence there is tension.

Lying and honesty are extensions of attraction/repulsion, which are part of my thesis on Interactions and Interpretations - and I really don't care if you read it.  

Tension risks a break, depending on need, and on environment (interactions - flux), producing codependency.
It's really not that complicated.

As with all things organic evolution has streamlined judgment and perceptions.
we do not see details beyond the light spectrum we evolved to see, the smells and tones we evolved to perceive.
Appearance, presence, behavior, is manifest past/nature. The other's essence, his/her spirit/soul, if you wish to romanticize it.
This tells you all you need to know, if you understand - see the patterns - and have the qualities to process - courage, constitution, perspicuity etc.

This is too complex, so evolution, like I said, has simplified things, and appearance along with memory comes to our aid.
If you do not have the brain to use appearances, then memory will do.
What has this organism done in the past?
How has he or she acted, what choices has she or he made?

These will definitely repeat, not now, not soon, but inevitably.
unless, unless some traumatic, event, has had a dramatic impact...which in sheltered modern environments is unlikely, outside of those darn diseases.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:43 pm

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When sickness comes close, it vaporizes.

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The rest or on their own.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 01, 2016 6:30 pm

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Reg. Fixed's calling for a permaban of a member on ILP, dragging my name,

1. I wonder how Pezer can speak of Mad Max and the type of the Renegade, when they can't even handle entering a thunder-drome…
So much for All Fashion, No Style.
All talk, no doing.

2. Living Dangerously does not require something as drastic as drugs,, just handling free speech now and then seems to be enough of a danger, it seems.

Logically, if personal attacks are counted as criteria for permabans, then so should be any attacks on Race, - the personal attack on one's forefathers. Every nihilist on ILP should then be perma-banned.

I think that's fair.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:25 pm

Fellowship of Philosophy, king makers....

With a hug and a pat on the back the warrior advances to take his place on the throne.
If nobody exposes how weak and simple he is, merlin the genius, holds the tombs of wisdom in his mind.
Meek shall inherit the earth, if nobody hurts their feelings, and nobody takes their bottle of joy away.

How I see wonder in the world, when I am high.


Help me help you....value me to value you.
Love me to love you.


Christianity v2:
Houston, we have a problem.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:40 pm

People do not understand my genius
Verily, I've come too soon
They will not understand how brilliant I am
who do not super-models swoon?

I need to go back into my cave and wait a thousand more years
dry away my tears
My power will not overcome their anger, their self-devaluing
It's power is for another planet, populated by different organisms
Friends who will embrace me, valuing my enormity
Let me numb my pain.
Verily, shall I imitate the meek, their music, their traditions. I will be reborn a slave among slaves.

Verily, shall I be reborn as value giver.
Singing their tunes
Eating their simple food
Suffering their average lives.

A new Messiah cometh to be sacrificed for your reevaluation
Verily, you shall be freed from markets and materialism
and find worth in your heart
for in all things I hide
in stones, and creeks, in birds and their beaks
holding it all together shattering the seeds of hatred

By a new name you shall come to know and fear me
I king of kings, master of masters
Thrice you shall deny me, and once I shall return
Raping a tune

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:24 am

Pezer wrote:
Because life is precious.

And also, only bad people ever need panic. If you want, the definition of bad people can be: "people who, in seeking knowledge or power, do not measure first themselves."

This doesn't mean that nazi shit will be tolerated. This, never.

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Life is already precious.

That's Their panic; have to love the projection...

within seconds, it gave them a Pan-ic attack to call for a permaban..


I didn't know Pezer could Flip his ham-burgers this well...

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:42 am

^ Its funny, how the ones who cant take a joke and li'l poke here and there, are the cowards advising others to "Be Cool"..

Lolz...

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:09 am

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I don't know, I'll let you know.

But I promise I'll put in a good word. You are still a witch, if a silly one.

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Retards, didn't I already tell you I am not Eyes Wide Open?!

Oh, I forgot.

You guys are just slow…. pokes.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:23 am

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Kneel-Maid's begging to be mentioned and included as usual. What can we say abt. her?

She wants a special invitation?

That she's still sniffing around Satyr's …..?


It ends with balls for her.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:36 am

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BTL's Fixed Cross and his pussies are pushing for a "privileged status" of their history.

And in pushing for their history, they are also applying Coercion to influence a forum, to have a taste of their own power, deprived and depraved and wretched as they for any kind of success.

Standards have gone out the window a long time...

No decent person on ILP should accept or let such scumbags get away with putting a Special tag to the Death of their chosen ones.

History is the culmination and sacrifice of so many heroic souls, and any creature exploiting a certain death event, to make an industry out of it, and gain special privileges, and continue this fraud, should only be looked down as the most inferior defecation of the most microscopic bacteria you can imagine.

They are the unter-shite of the lowest hypocritical bacteria!

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:22 am

And this one which has gone unresponded! How 'bout some Hillary-ous speech?!

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FUME-IGATE BTL!


CALLING FOR A PERMA-BAN ON THEIR DRUGS AND PEST-ICIDES.


STOP DESTROYING CHILDREN AND THE FUTURE OF OUR PLANET!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:51 pm

On the hunt, the noble pack attacks the biggest bovine...not the weakest, the slowest, the biggest, the fastest.
Not path-of-least-resistance, but path-of-most-resistance.
When it smell blood from its many wounds, blood lust takes over.

Biggest bull(shitter) in a herd of bovines, is taken down, or made to bleeds, so that all the cows and calves see it, and they'll know, the pack can take anyone of them down.

Reminds me of the chimpanzee's method...

See....see what I made him do?
I made him tear me to shreds,. I made him look at me.
See?
See how I made him insult me?
See what I reduced him to?


The bull grunts as it falls. It brayes.....and thinks.
Look how strong I am. I made them kill me.
I protected the herd, by making them attack me, as the one who can take them all.
I am top victim.
King on the sufferers, high on the help they need to see wonder in their pain.
I am, indeed, an alpha among my kind.


But with bovines like Ollie and Pezer, and Wyn, and the rest, part of the herd...how can an average man-child not dominate?

Rage, of the chase, settles on the narcosis of endorphines, as the pack feasts on the living prey.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:01 pm

FX wrote:
You need to put more images of corpses and stuff in your posts for the KTSers to come flying over.
See how they all flocked to what I put out to show what they are made of?

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Is that all Fixed noticed?

How he was 'always in control of the whole thing', at some poster's mere mention of certain topic, and his fleeing with such dis/ease…

Fixed is still embarassed and ashamed of his own reptilian reactions to certain topics. It made him feel like a lab-rat in a science experiment.

His saying that his putting together corpse images as an experiment, is his way of transferring his unease onto someone else. If he could make them uncomfortable and "reactive" at the sight of corpses, see his own unease and emotional contagion on some other screen, he could exploit it to unlearn his automatic reactivity that some topics and images enslave him.

Seeing another in a distressed position that distressed one gives a visual to overcome that, within oneself through another. Mocking them is sub-consciously attacking what one perceives as one's own weakness in oneself. Its Fixed's way of wanting to unlearn his pavalovianism.

Hope Fixed learnt or unlearnt something from the social experiment that he 'allowed' to be conducted on him.

Like how to keep his wits and sense of justice, when certain topics are raised in a fair manner of exploring all quarters.

Its what we call a 'Philosophy' lovers Forum.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:37 pm

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Feels good to go on a raid again after so long.


Its good to have you all oxygenate that toxic cesspool there a little.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:46 pm

I may start getting more involved in ILP, not quite convinced to bother yet.. but something I wanted to address:

Sauwelios wrote:
"The spirit of national socialism was not so much concerned with the national and the social but much more with that radically private resoluteness which rejects any discussion or mutual understanding because it relies wholly and only on itself ... At bottom all its concepts and words are the expression of the bitter and hard resoluteness of a will asserting itself in the face of its own nothingness, a will proud of its loathing for happiness, reason and compassion." (Found in Harry Neumann, Liberalism, "Politics or Nothing! Nazism's Origin in Scientific Contempt for Politics", where it is sourced as: K. Löwith, "Der Okkasionelle Dezisionismus von C. Schmitt," Gesammalte Abhandlungen (Stuttgart: Kohlhammer, 1960) pp. 122- 123. [sic])

The myth of secular liberalism/humanism is in its assertion of being moderate. It is a radical proposal to rid oneself of all sense of pride in the achievements of one's genetic manifestation - to disconnect or nullify completely the shades between the 'tabula rasa' individual and their shared genetics with humanity as a whole, the whole being largely limited to a sexual/reproductive criteria.

Pride in family, nepotism and the protection of one's own kin above others is not 'extreme'. One who calls it 'primitive' must be like protestants of old who lamented that they could not manage to care for an African child in the same way they care for their own Anglo child.

What limits this perspective is, again, a capitalist one. One thinks another is justified in associating their genetics with a father and mother.. or perhaps even grandfather and grandmother. More distantly but less justifiably with cousins, nephews, etc. What has developed this view is the economic/monetary consequences and windfalls associated with familial ties. The so-called 'estate'. This is an American, capitalist, conception of inheritance.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:51 pm

In fact Nazism was a last desperate push back against global nothingness.
A reaffirmation of identity within the all-leveling, behavioural sink, no frontiers world.

It's funny when I'm accused of being a Nazi.
I am neither a German nor am I a nationalist, so the term does not apply.
But neither am I a socialist, preferring timocracy as a political and economic system.

But I'll be whatever they want me to be.
Like I said, you need not seed a mind with an idea...it will tell you what to exploit.
It will provide the lie you can manipulate.

for the longest time I was attacked as an "objectivist"...whatever that means.
I have barely read Rand, nor do I care for her....and whatever other meaning they give the term, I've addressed it [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  
I'm sure that whatever other negative connotations it has in their tiny brains I can live with.
Attacking me, with these words, and not my positions, is like attacking a man's shadow. He sits back, wondering what the hell this fool is doing shadow boxing, making sound effects where a theoretical punch has landed...
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Thump!
Wham!!!

Wake me up before you go...

We can't expect too much from imbeciles, who consider themselves "genius".
We ought to encourage them to continue to do so.
They have to place me and KT in a category and the easiest, and most most negative one, from their infantile memories, and pop-cultured edumucation, will suffice.
Something emotional and full of disturbing imagery, sampling from the yearly product of Hollywood propaganda.

First emotion they feel when confronted with an idea, triggers the reaction.
With moderns born and raised in post-war America, and Europe, to a lesser extent, the only reference point is Nazi Germany.
It's the cultural bogeyman - the anti-Abrahamic monster put to rest (?).

War is hell, but for them there is nothing lower than that example of warfare.  
Like a Pavlovian trigger....zap and the manimals salivate.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:44 pm

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KTS is a sexual closet, it fulfills a purpose. They come here to streak. This fulfills no purpose.

Just look at whoever is against having children or sex in general and they will be from KTS.

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Bixesual is usually simply extremely sexual.

Greed is good.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:24 pm

Yes.. just like asexual really indicates a sexualized dictation of sexuality.
It's good to be versed in inversions ..

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:18 pm

Hrodeberto wrote:
Yes.. just like asexual really indicates a sexualized dictation of sexuality.
It's good to be versed in inversions ..



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Look at the judgements of each:

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and then you see civilization as a theatre,, including the law and the justice systems…

The culture of Hedonism, where sexual degeneracy and thugs and women who like thugs, are promoted as being "extra-sexual", "animal vitality", etc.

Distinctions are tampered with.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:02 pm

When the highest subjective fact is that no subjective fact is superior to any other....you have a cognitive loop, feeding back into itself, attempting to resolve the conundrum its own ideal constructs.

To break free of it, for long enough to actually pass judgment, a moron, goes back to the democratic method.
Numbers of subjectivity, overpower the one.
Multi-looping, usurps the one loop.
"Good of the many..."
It's a way to "rationalize" away a world that clearly disturbs and does not abide by personal tastes.
The other is the way out of your own solipsistic linguistic paradox.
Other =- God.
God replaced by Humanity.

Where some short-cuts are found in issues that have little impact on the psyche, deferring judgment to communally sanctioned authorities, in matters that hit close to home, this methods is used to create a self-feeding procrastination, like a cognitive Gordian Knot.
"Morality" is code for emotion, or the desired ideal, not to be called that, because only "objectivists" have ideals. Subjective clowns have feelings, words expressing emotion, desire, wants.
One's feelings are not superior to another, you see?

Of course, without this modern protective institutionalized shield, none of this would be possible - it would, actually, be absurd.
When costs are adjusted, it makes good/bad, now emoted as good/evil, a win/win situation.
There's no noticeable cost to bad judgment, and what is noticeable can be dismissed as irrelevant, or too subtle to matter.
Ideal replaced by moral, when emoting replaces reasoning.

The motive is to destroy all reasons to conflict.
Nothing is left to fight over, but only agree upon.
Hurting and being hurt is resolved in the cognitive loop, finding an exit through otherness.

But, now you have to convince all to abandon their convictions and simply settle for a [perpetual state of limbo - between heaven and earth.....the river Lethe.
If we use the ancient Greek metaphors the individual swims in the river of forgetfulness.

Land of the living dead.
I use the Modern metaphor, Zombie.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:28 pm

Modern's need for immediate gratification.
If a judgment is not obvious and immediate, he uses time to distance himself from the judgment made that resulted in an outcome.

Costs/Benefits postponed makes every action detach from consequences.
The mind can deny the costs were due to the same choice that resulted in the benefits.
He can selectively trace the outcome of his choice, back tot eh point where a judgment was made.
If the costs/benefits are immediate and direct, he can still evade them by claiming some external factor is responsible for the "negative", leaving him take sole responsibility for the "positive", or he may sacrifice the former so as to avoid the latter.

The ideal is to avoid personal responsibility.
Every choice made entails a personal judgment - costs/benefits due to an individual's actions, based on his judgment.
To avoid responsibility you defer it to a God, or to a popular vote, Humanity.
This way you may enjoy the benefits while denying responsibility for the costs.
To create a mass deferment of responsibility to the collective, you seed doubt, skepticism, you spread distrust in individual judgment.

Costs are divided among the masses, decreasing the personal burden, and benefits are multiplied by the masses.
All is subjective, because of this cowardly method.

It's funny how the chimpanzee goes around asking young men for personal examples of how their principles affected their choices, and ignores it when a half-man, like Satyr, gives him two personal examples of objective judgment applied to a situation of life and death, and abortion, in his personal life.
Down to earth, for her, is code for...emotional, personal, intimate...feelings.
Satyr's "matter of factness" ruined it for the chimp.
she wanted a gut-wrenching expose of human frailty, and uncertainty, and struggling with conscience.
Emotional reactions are how she "reduces" all to her level of emoting. They are pulled down to earth, means pulled down to the emotional, the feelings involved.
Reasoning is fascism - cold judgment is her enemy.
She decided, long ago, she lacked the mind to deal with reason, so she uses emotional methods.
Beginning with inserting doubt. If the judgment does not come from god, or a collectively accepted source, it is "objectivity".

The ideal, masking as a moral question, is one where mankind loses trust in their own judgments, and are completely dependent on an external source - if not God, then....a collective judgment - a vote.
She calls anyone believing his own personal judgments are superior to another an "objectivist" - code for "authority, fascist" - which makes her an objectivist - hiding it with word-games like
"I could be wrong"
or
"That's only my opinion"
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By his own definitions all on ILP, and the world, are objectivists.
The proper moral stance, according to the chimp, is that, with no God, there is no absolute, meaning, for a chimpanzee, all judgments are on equal footing, particularly those dealing with matters close to human coexistence, identity, relationships - morality.
All must be decided internally, through some kind of democratic compromise.
Meaning the weakest shall dictate the outcome.
The lowest-common-denominator will be the standard for measuring "facts".

For the chimpanzee, as with Iakob, and many Nihilists, popularity is validation.
Seduction is how you shape popular opinion, using kindness, faked politeness, temporary compromises, pretend humility, impressing with grandstanding...all a way of altering reality.
Ironic given the chimp's signature. His ideal is a world  free of certainty.
Fascism, the totalitarianism of reality, which he cannot help but personify in the individual exposing him to its cruelty - which she dismisses with the title "objectivist".

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:22 am

When a desperate, imbecile, wishes to discredit a perspective he or she cannot using reason. The only method at her disposal is finding some emotionally laden words, take them out of context, and then construct an emotional counter-emotive, "argument".
The chimp found "ideal", and lacking any comprehension of its meaning, or how it applies in Satyr's philosophy, she connected it to some previous encounters, with the morons she used to impress with her frustrating methods, of repeating dasein.
Before that it was the word "objectivity" which she's raised as the hated banner of her ideological cause....his IDEAL.....equating it to fascism, totalitarianism, like the God she once adored, and was disillusioned by, settling for Humanity, where reality is created, by shifting opinion poles.

Then we have the other moron, Turd, the Christian desperate to make his surrender a noble act...claiming that rape, being defined as natural, is the same as advocating it as a preferred method of conduct...when nobility is speaks otherwise.  
Admitting that rape, in nature, is to counter-balance feminine power over the reproductive process, and an option a desperate male would lower himself to, and this fact is not the same as proposing it as an ideal.
Saying that weakness is culled, with predation, is a description of natural processes.
Saying that this rids the herd of inferior genes, is a fact, explaining why predation exists.

But, for a Christian, still hanging onto the infantile, equating all that contradicts it with Nietzscheanism, because some men-children use that man's name as an idol, a desperate cry for respect, any description of a world outside the Will of God, is Satanic, and a product of another Will.

In an inter-subjective codependency, there is no world to be described, free of personal interests and willful interventions.
All is created, and so any description of a world contradicting another, is another creation, not a description, but a creation from nil.
Mind never describes the world, as it is, but he creates it from nothing.
Why not create something "positive", comforting, appealing, flattering?
Why be so "negative", the Christian asks, when all is either subjective or a product of a "good" God's will?
Why rape, the christian asks, trying to explain why his own Deity allows such "vulgar" options to persist?
Must be another' being's creation...and with no evidence he finds the messenger to accuse.

Hypocrisy is the practice that binds all variants of Nihilism into one, concise, predictable, pattern of behaviour.
Bipolar, fragmented, schizophrenic, delusion, expressing the dualism, the binary logic, taken literally.
The dual poles of the nihilistic paradigm, pretending to engage world when it is debating itself, its opposite - positive and pure nihilism competing....like during the Cold War, over hearts and minds, suing words, propaganda, manipulating simpletons, exploiting that which they pretend to deny.

Th first simpleton the liar lies to, is the self.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:52 am

What's left for the desperate infantile psychology, addicted to sheltering, raised to be unable to withstand any need/suffering over a particular point, needing chemical or mental inebriation to see the world as wonderful?
What's left for the  the child missing a parent, or enduring a parent that is a constant reminder of his genetic limitations, seeking alternates, obsessing over the ones that can fake it, that can exploit this need in him/her?

Such psychologies, refusing the concept of objectivity, are happily enjoying the institutional cocoon, permitting them to delude themselves that their judgments are no different than any other's.
From there, what is left but to understand all opinions as being just as emotionally biased, just as socially contrived, just as pleasing, as their own?

Lacking the mental and psychological fortitude, or the genetic potential, to relate to a mind that can see without feeling, and endure what is seen, they defer to a authoritarian god, or to the scientific method, indirectly deferring to an authoritarian majority, which they imagine being practices by well-meaning half-gods, like the priests of old, who channel TRUTH, and it is always, remarkably and conveniently, in agreement with Modern social norms, when it dares to venture into the forbidden territories of humanism, where children might be hurt.

They prefer a recitation of "facts", as though these are not based on empirical, value judgments, over time - as if empiricism, used by science, is some divine mystical method only the trained, the initiated, can apply.
With no understanding of what is decreed, they feel its "truth", and feel it as a "positive" sensation, validating what is given to them, from the priesthood.
Feeling is how the modern imbecile, contributes to the value-judgment, which he has deferred to the "experts", and then validated by the masses of like-minded imbeciles, and psychotics.
Dogs go mad when contained within a small space for too long, and so do humans.
Their schizophrenia, manufactured within a closed, controlled, environment, has also produces psychosis in them, as the byproduct, the cost, of the sheltered benefit.

What is left, for the dog to do, but bark, expunging the excess energies its sheltered existence produces easily....and for the human, what else but words, drugs, music, pop-culture?
Regression to puppy psychology is what a dog is - a wolf humanely adjusted to human environments - humanized.
It reflects what is occurring to humans themselves - a stunting of mind, the individual remaining infantile, puppy-like, playing, barking, predetermining to hunt, to fight, to track, to reproduce, to be in the real world - feminization of mankind.
Stunted males, men-children, reduced to a female's state of mind.
Wanting to seduce, to look good, to appeal to as many as possible, to be at peace within the pack/herd.
Being coy, cynical, socially aware, estimating their value by how many like them, how many friends they have - their social market value.
Selling an image to be attractive to as many as possible.

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