An example of Jewish methodology helping explain its "genius".
Jesus was a way to connect incompatible world-views; ways of engaging reality, by clouding the connection with mystical clouds. Ideal and Real, brought together. A post-Christian era, expects a new connector to emerge, incorporating natural gravity, represented by a Nietzsche, which was no great mass, unless you were born and raised in a low gravity environment. Nietzsche as the new coils on the new updated overpass, across the same shores. In the clouds, a magical, mystical force can levitate the connecting bridge, so mesmerizing that men-children, the world over, would walk across it's span, faith in hand, that goes nowhere, but back into an abyss.
Jesus was overcome by technique/technology, but he remained a symbol of levitation above nature/past - we walked on water. Now, that he is obsolete, what of a new Messiah, a new connector, one that tries to inappropriate into its "solidity" the techniques/technologies, the indifferent gravity, that brought the previous span down? Why would Satyr care, and not simply enjoy the spectacle of men-children building bridges between incompatible shores - one on earth the other in the heavens?
Why would not Satyr let gravity do what it always does, and simply watch? Why would not Satyr encourage other men-children, the wold over, attempt the crossing?
Will this not rid him of excess? Will it not it rid him of the disposable? Will it not save him time and effort?
Go - go, young weaklings, cowards, sickly and desperate masses....I am the inverted inversion. I am anti-statue of liberty.
Lazarus, Emma wrote:
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
I am the cornerstone of reality. I am that which you can never escape across the river - you must step into the stream, and never twice. I am unforgiving. I am the current of time. Who, among you, will dare to cross me?
When Bob engages Bill in a futile battle of nit-wits - when one contradicts the other, using its own premises, it is, for Satyr, a joy to behold. What can be more productive than two versions of incompetence, contradicting and exposing one another?
A degenerate impoverished plebe knows not what aristocracy means. All he knows is that it makes him feel bad, and so it is something to degrade and dismiss.
Hot even the words themselves, in this case comprised of a combination of ariston and kratos, cannot help a pathetic soul. All it has to go on is the feelings the word stimulates in his brainwashed, weak, cowardly mind, and it reacts accordingly, with mindless hostility.
But, seriously, what did its, so called wife, send to all these men on-line? What did she give-up freely to what she makes this poor sod pay for dearly? How may has his "soul-mate" given to just about anyone who asked, and how proud of this can such a weakling be of what has been common? Ancient Greeks called such women κοινε, similar to what moderns call the written and spoken Greek of that time...κοινη γραφη...common wring, shared symbols. We call them, these common females, prostitutes in our day. Some with a higher price, some with a more affordable price, on inaccessible the other accessible to the average, or below average, male.
It is true, that with age even whores make perfect housewives - after having so many sexual experiences they want to settle down whit the average, the common, the steady, the reliable. The common settles for the most common m,ale, ans this is fitting After so many cocks she wants some stability, the easy, the simple the predictable - no more orgasms, she wants food and a roof over her head. She wants a male that will no longer stress her. A nice guy.
The reverse is true for a male, but this is not the topic here.
I've alluded to what I mean by patterns, but some don't seem to understand what this eans aboyt them, personally See, a pattern repeats, and so with men and women, a behavior, if not disrupted by a traumatic, severe, equal pattern, will continue indefinitely - path-of-least-resistance.
What doe this mean? A women's behavior with and towards her past male friends, lovers etc, indicate a pattern what will, most certainty repeat, with you, in the present, unless yo consider yourself a force of such magnitude and traumatic effect as to disrupt this established pattern. if you are a arrogant, deluded, imbecile, like many are on ILP, you most certainly fall into the trap of self-delusion and repeat the same mistakes.
It may be so, that you are, for this female, a formidable exception to the rule she's experienced, or her mind/body can tolerate, without stress forcing her to change, but odds are you are not. Because odds are you are nothing but another sheltered, idiot, broken or so deluded by your own past experiences that you will convince yourself jut about any lie someone flattering you will direct your way. Your past experiences, notwithstanding, will be ignored, seduced by the possibility, no matter how improbable, that you've found the exception to the rule, that you've come across the ONE. Chances are, because you are so nihilistic imbecile, prone to consider fact anything that makes you feel good, that flatters and soothes your anxieties, that you are wrong, and chances are you will ignore those doubts and intuitions that creep into your consciousness form a body immune to conscious control. Chances are that you are so desperate and needy that no matter how many red-flags are presented, you will see nothing but blue.
But, nature is indifferent, and your feelings and well-being, and hopes and dreams side, you are prone, as a man, to be easily manipulated by punani.
Here's what I think...let nature take its course. it's inevitable given precedent, I know, but who am I to stand in the way of young-love and expectations and entitlement? Let the gods have their way. Let time and nature take its course.
Let me watch, from the shorelines, refusing to pay the riverboat man's price. Not yet.
The ego is like a balloon. The more hot-air you pump into it, the larger it becomes, and the larger it becomes the more vulnerable every inch of its inflated surface is to the tiniest pinprick.
A weakling cannot tolerate the tinniest sharpness from an external source. It's overcompensating size is an illusion, hiding a feeble surface, a thin-skin. The smallest sharp prick, not its own, will cause ti to burst, in a sudden expulsion of hot air, we call a fart. A fart indicates fermenting toxins. A bovine expels methane farts regularly, because it feeds and digests and regurgitates continuously. Herbivores, unlike carnivores, and omnivores, cannot assimilate dense nutrients, so they must compensate with constant munching on very poor in nutritional quality grass. Carnivores take advantage of the herbivores factory like consistency, to appropriate the amassed energies, in the form of flesh and blood.
Omnivores, like humans, can go either way, and so we have the r/ and the K/ types, liberals and 'fascists'. Abrahamists, like Marxists, anarchists, Jedoe-Christian/Islamist, secular humanists, and paganists, Indo-Europeans.
Herbivores take advantage of leftovers, reduce to mulch, cadavers, rotting flesh and bones, and carnivores take advantage of these leftovers invigorated by the sunlight, and converted into flesh. Its a simply cycle. But simple things are difficult for simpletons.
What's funny is that a male is not looking for a mate, but a means to an end. Once the end is met, bye bye means. This is also true of females but for them the ends are more long-term, more demanding of tolerance and investments. This is the difference that makes men seem alien to women and vice versa. A matter of degree.
But what if the ends is ongoing, never fulfilled, then we call this needy. Needy is never sexy, never attractive, but it is easy, and it is reliable. Need has a pattern of its own. Need is absence of absolute personified. Need has no will, like mindless matter, patterns with no motive.
Being needy and exploiting neediness prolongs the means, because the end is never met. It is either delusional, romantic, unreal, or not attainable by the particular organism. The individual strives for what it can never have - proverbial wild goose chase. Both master an slave are trapped in an endless cycle, of reciprocal need. Both may want to exit this relationship, each for their own reasons, but cannot, depending on the degree of codependency.
Now, you see, the needs of a female and those of a male, are rarely coincidental. Different reproductive roles manifest in different ends. What happens is environment imposes upon female a limit, and nature imposes a limit upon male. These limits are not coincidental either. As a consequence both are lying to each other. One more than the other, depending on environment and degree of need. As a consequence there is tension.
Lying and honesty are extensions of attraction/repulsion, which are part of my thesis on Interactions and Interpretations - and I really don't care if you read it.
Tension risks a break, depending on need, and on environment (interactions - flux), producing codependency. It's really not that complicated.
As with all things organic evolution has streamlined judgment and perceptions. we do not see details beyond the light spectrum we evolved to see, the smells and tones we evolved to perceive. Appearance, presence, behavior, is manifest past/nature. The other's essence, his/her spirit/soul, if you wish to romanticize it. This tells you all you need to know, if you understand - see the patterns - and have the qualities to process - courage, constitution, perspicuity etc.
This is too complex, so evolution, like I said, has simplified things, and appearance along with memory comes to our aid. If you do not have the brain to use appearances, then memory will do. What has this organism done in the past? How has he or she acted, what choices has she or he made?
These will definitely repeat, not now, not soon, but inevitably. unless, unless some traumatic, event, has had a dramatic impact...which in sheltered modern environments is unlikely, outside of those darn diseases.
Reg. Fixed's calling for a permaban of a member on ILP, dragging my name,
1. I wonder how Pezer can speak of Mad Max and the type of the Renegade, when they can't even handle entering a thunder-drome… So much for All Fashion, No Style. All talk, no doing.
2. Living Dangerously does not require something as drastic as drugs,, just handling free speech now and then seems to be enough of a danger, it seems.
Logically, if personal attacks are counted as criteria for permabans, then so should be any attacks on Race, - the personal attack on one's forefathers. Every nihilist on ILP should then be perma-banned.
With a hug and a pat on the back the warrior advances to take his place on the throne. If nobody exposes how weak and simple he is, merlin the genius, holds the tombs of wisdom in his mind. Meek shall inherit the earth, if nobody hurts their feelings, and nobody takes their bottle of joy away.
How I see wonder in the world, when I am high.
Help me help you....value me to value you. Love me to love you.
People do not understand my genius Verily, I've come too soon They will not understand how brilliant I am who do not super-models swoon?
I need to go back into my cave and wait a thousand more years dry away my tears My power will not overcome their anger, their self-devaluing It's power is for another planet, populated by different organisms Friends who will embrace me, valuing my enormity Let me numb my pain. Verily, shall I imitate the meek, their music, their traditions. I will be reborn a slave among slaves.
Verily, shall I be reborn as value giver. Singing their tunes Eating their simple food Suffering their average lives.
A new Messiah cometh to be sacrificed for your reevaluation Verily, you shall be freed from markets and materialism and find worth in your heart for in all things I hide in stones, and creeks, in birds and their beaks holding it all together shattering the seeds of hatred
By a new name you shall come to know and fear me I king of kings, master of masters Thrice you shall deny me, and once I shall return Raping a tune
BTL's Fixed Cross and his pussies are pushing for a "privileged status" of their history.
And in pushing for their history, they are also applying Coercion to influence a forum, to have a taste of their own power, deprived and depraved and wretched as they for any kind of success.
Standards have gone out the window a long time...
No decent person on ILP should accept or let such scumbags get away with putting a Special tag to the Death of their chosen ones.
History is the culmination and sacrifice of so many heroic souls, and any creature exploiting a certain death event, to make an industry out of it, and gain special privileges, and continue this fraud, should only be looked down as the most inferior defecation of the most microscopic bacteria you can imagine.
They are the unter-shite of the lowest hypocritical bacteria!
On the hunt, the noble pack attacks the biggest bovine...not the weakest, the slowest, the biggest, the fastest. Not path-of-least-resistance, but path-of-most-resistance. When it smell blood from its many wounds, blood lust takes over.
Biggest bull(shitter) in a herd of bovines, is taken down, or made to bleeds, so that all the cows and calves see it, and they'll know, the pack can take anyone of them down.
Reminds me of the chimpanzee's method... See....see what I made him do? I made him tear me to shreds,. I made him look at me. See? See how I made him insult me? See what I reduced him to?
The bull grunts as it falls. It brayes.....and thinks. Look how strong I am. I made them kill me. I protected the herd, by making them attack me, as the one who can take them all. I am top victim. King on the sufferers, high on the help they need to see wonder in their pain. I am, indeed, an alpha among my kind.
But with bovines like Ollie and Pezer, and Wyn, and the rest, part of the herd...how can an average man-child not dominate?
Rage, of the chase, settles on the narcosis of endorphines, as the pack feasts on the living prey.
How he was 'always in control of the whole thing', at some poster's mere mention of certain topic, and his fleeing with such dis/ease…
Fixed is still embarassed and ashamed of his own reptilian reactions to certain topics. It made him feel like a lab-rat in a science experiment.
His saying that his putting together corpse images as an experiment, is his way of transferring his unease onto someone else. If he could make them uncomfortable and "reactive" at the sight of corpses, see his own unease and emotional contagion on some other screen, he could exploit it to unlearn his automatic reactivity that some topics and images enslave him.
Seeing another in a distressed position that distressed one gives a visual to overcome that, within oneself through another. Mocking them is sub-consciously attacking what one perceives as one's own weakness in oneself. Its Fixed's way of wanting to unlearn his pavalovianism.
Hope Fixed learnt or unlearnt something from the social experiment that he 'allowed' to be conducted on him.
Like how to keep his wits and sense of justice, when certain topics are raised in a fair manner of exploring all quarters.
I may start getting more involved in ILP, not quite convinced to bother yet.. but something I wanted to address:
"The spirit of national socialism was not so much concerned with the national and the social but much more with that radically private resoluteness which rejects any discussion or mutual understanding because it relies wholly and only on itself ... At bottom all its concepts and words are the expression of the bitter and hard resoluteness of a will asserting itself in the face of its own nothingness, a will proud of its loathing for happiness, reason and compassion." (Found in Harry Neumann, Liberalism, "Politics or Nothing! Nazism's Origin in Scientific Contempt for Politics", where it is sourced as: K. Löwith, "Der Okkasionelle Dezisionismus von C. Schmitt," Gesammalte Abhandlungen (Stuttgart: Kohlhammer, 1960) pp. 122- 123. [sic])
The myth of secular liberalism/humanism is in its assertion of being moderate. It is a radical proposal to rid oneself of all sense of pride in the achievements of one's genetic manifestation - to disconnect or nullify completely the shades between the 'tabula rasa' individual and their shared genetics with humanity as a whole, the whole being largely limited to a sexual/reproductive criteria.
Pride in family, nepotism and the protection of one's own kin above others is not 'extreme'. One who calls it 'primitive' must be like protestants of old who lamented that they could not manage to care for an African child in the same way they care for their own Anglo child.
What limits this perspective is, again, a capitalist one. One thinks another is justified in associating their genetics with a father and mother.. or perhaps even grandfather and grandmother. More distantly but less justifiably with cousins, nephews, etc. What has developed this view is the economic/monetary consequences and windfalls associated with familial ties. The so-called 'estate'. This is an American, capitalist, conception of inheritance.
In fact Nazism was a last desperate push back against global nothingness. A reaffirmation of identity within the all-leveling, behavioural sink, no frontiers world.
It's funny when I'm accused of being a Nazi. I am neither a German nor am I a nationalist, so the term does not apply. But neither am I a socialist, preferring timocracy as a political and economic system.
But I'll be whatever they want me to be. Like I said, you need not seed a mind with an idea...it will tell you what to exploit. It will provide the lie you can manipulate.
for the longest time I was attacked as an "objectivist"...whatever that means. I have barely read Rand, nor do I care for her....and whatever other meaning they give the term, I've addressed it [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm sure that whatever other negative connotations it has in their tiny brains I can live with. Attacking me, with these words, and not my positions, is like attacking a man's shadow. He sits back, wondering what the hell this fool is doing shadow boxing, making sound effects where a theoretical punch has landed... Pow!!! Thump! Wham!!!
Wake me up before you go...
We can't expect too much from imbeciles, who consider themselves "genius". We ought to encourage them to continue to do so. They have to place me and KT in a category and the easiest, and most most negative one, from their infantile memories, and pop-cultured edumucation, will suffice. Something emotional and full of disturbing imagery, sampling from the yearly product of Hollywood propaganda.
First emotion they feel when confronted with an idea, triggers the reaction. With moderns born and raised in post-war America, and Europe, to a lesser extent, the only reference point is Nazi Germany. It's the cultural bogeyman - the anti-Abrahamic monster put to rest (?).
War is hell, but for them there is nothing lower than that example of warfare. Like a Pavlovian trigger....zap and the manimals salivate.
When the highest subjective fact is that no subjective fact is superior to any other....you have a cognitive loop, feeding back into itself, attempting to resolve the conundrum its own ideal constructs.
To break free of it, for long enough to actually pass judgment, a moron, goes back to the democratic method. Numbers of subjectivity, overpower the one. Multi-looping, usurps the one loop. "Good of the many..." It's a way to "rationalize" away a world that clearly disturbs and does not abide by personal tastes. The other is the way out of your own solipsistic linguistic paradox. Other =- God. God replaced by Humanity.
Where some short-cuts are found in issues that have little impact on the psyche, deferring judgment to communally sanctioned authorities, in matters that hit close to home, this methods is used to create a self-feeding procrastination, like a cognitive Gordian Knot. "Morality" is code for emotion, or the desired ideal, not to be called that, because only "objectivists" have ideals. Subjective clowns have feelings, words expressing emotion, desire, wants. One's feelings are not superior to another, you see?
Of course, without this modern protective institutionalized shield, none of this would be possible - it would, actually, be absurd. When costs are adjusted, it makes good/bad, now emoted as good/evil, a win/win situation. There's no noticeable cost to bad judgment, and what is noticeable can be dismissed as irrelevant, or too subtle to matter. Ideal replaced by moral, when emoting replaces reasoning.
The motive is to destroy all reasons to conflict. Nothing is left to fight over, but only agree upon. Hurting and being hurt is resolved in the cognitive loop, finding an exit through otherness.
But, now you have to convince all to abandon their convictions and simply settle for a [perpetual state of limbo - between heaven and earth.....the river Lethe. If we use the ancient Greek metaphors the individual swims in the river of forgetfulness.
Land of the living dead. I use the Modern metaphor, Zombie.
Modern's need for immediate gratification. If a judgment is not obvious and immediate, he uses time to distance himself from the judgment made that resulted in an outcome.
Costs/Benefits postponed makes every action detach from consequences. The mind can deny the costs were due to the same choice that resulted in the benefits. He can selectively trace the outcome of his choice, back tot eh point where a judgment was made. If the costs/benefits are immediate and direct, he can still evade them by claiming some external factor is responsible for the "negative", leaving him take sole responsibility for the "positive", or he may sacrifice the former so as to avoid the latter.
The ideal is to avoid personal responsibility. Every choice made entails a personal judgment - costs/benefits due to an individual's actions, based on his judgment. To avoid responsibility you defer it to a God, or to a popular vote, Humanity. This way you may enjoy the benefits while denying responsibility for the costs. To create a mass deferment of responsibility to the collective, you seed doubt, skepticism, you spread distrust in individual judgment.
Costs are divided among the masses, decreasing the personal burden, and benefits are multiplied by the masses. All is subjective, because of this cowardly method.
It's funny how the chimpanzee goes around asking young men for personal examples of how their principles affected their choices, and ignores it when a half-man, like Satyr, gives him two personal examples of objective judgment applied to a situation of life and death, and abortion, in his personal life. Down to earth, for her, is code for...emotional, personal, intimate...feelings. Satyr's "matter of factness" ruined it for the chimp. she wanted a gut-wrenching expose of human frailty, and uncertainty, and struggling with conscience. Emotional reactions are how she "reduces" all to her level of emoting. They are pulled down to earth, means pulled down to the emotional, the feelings involved. Reasoning is fascism - cold judgment is her enemy. She decided, long ago, she lacked the mind to deal with reason, so she uses emotional methods. Beginning with inserting doubt. If the judgment does not come from god, or a collectively accepted source, it is "objectivity".
The ideal, masking as a moral question, is one where mankind loses trust in their own judgments, and are completely dependent on an external source - if not God, then....a collective judgment - a vote. She calls anyone believing his own personal judgments are superior to another an "objectivist" - code for "authority, fascist" - which makes her an objectivist - hiding it with word-games like "I could be wrong" or "That's only my opinion"
By his own definitions all on ILP, and the world, are objectivists. The proper moral stance, according to the chimp, is that, with no God, there is no absolute, meaning, for a chimpanzee, all judgments are on equal footing, particularly those dealing with matters close to human coexistence, identity, relationships - morality. All must be decided internally, through some kind of democratic compromise. Meaning the weakest shall dictate the outcome. The lowest-common-denominator will be the standard for measuring "facts".
For the chimpanzee, as with Iakob, and many Nihilists, popularity is validation. Seduction is how you shape popular opinion, using kindness, faked politeness, temporary compromises, pretend humility, impressing with grandstanding...all a way of altering reality. Ironic given the chimp's signature. His ideal is a world free of certainty. Fascism, the totalitarianism of reality, which he cannot help but personify in the individual exposing him to its cruelty - which she dismisses with the title "objectivist".
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When a desperate, imbecile, wishes to discredit a perspective he or she cannot using reason. The only method at her disposal is finding some emotionally laden words, take them out of context, and then construct an emotional counter-emotive, "argument". The chimp found "ideal", and lacking any comprehension of its meaning, or how it applies in Satyr's philosophy, she connected it to some previous encounters, with the morons she used to impress with her frustrating methods, of repeating dasein. Before that it was the word "objectivity" which she's raised as the hated banner of her ideological cause....his IDEAL.....equating it to fascism, totalitarianism, like the God she once adored, and was disillusioned by, settling for Humanity, where reality is created, by shifting opinion poles.
Then we have the other moron, Turd, the Christian desperate to make his surrender a noble act...claiming that rape, being defined as natural, is the same as advocating it as a preferred method of conduct...when nobility is speaks otherwise. Admitting that rape, in nature, is to counter-balance feminine power over the reproductive process, and an option a desperate male would lower himself to, and this fact is not the same as proposing it as an ideal. Saying that weakness is culled, with predation, is a description of natural processes. Saying that this rids the herd of inferior genes, is a fact, explaining why predation exists.
But, for a Christian, still hanging onto the infantile, equating all that contradicts it with Nietzscheanism, because some men-children use that man's name as an idol, a desperate cry for respect, any description of a world outside the Will of God, is Satanic, and a product of another Will.
In an inter-subjective codependency, there is no world to be described, free of personal interests and willful interventions. All is created, and so any description of a world contradicting another, is another creation, not a description, but a creation from nil. Mind never describes the world, as it is, but he creates it from nothing. Why not create something "positive", comforting, appealing, flattering? Why be so "negative", the Christian asks, when all is either subjective or a product of a "good" God's will? Why rape, the christian asks, trying to explain why his own Deity allows such "vulgar" options to persist? Must be another' being's creation...and with no evidence he finds the messenger to accuse.
Hypocrisy is the practice that binds all variants of Nihilism into one, concise, predictable, pattern of behaviour. Bipolar, fragmented, schizophrenic, delusion, expressing the dualism, the binary logic, taken literally. The dual poles of the nihilistic paradigm, pretending to engage world when it is debating itself, its opposite - positive and pure nihilism competing....like during the Cold War, over hearts and minds, suing words, propaganda, manipulating simpletons, exploiting that which they pretend to deny.
What's left for the desperate infantile psychology, addicted to sheltering, raised to be unable to withstand any need/suffering over a particular point, needing chemical or mental inebriation to see the world as wonderful? What's left for the the child missing a parent, or enduring a parent that is a constant reminder of his genetic limitations, seeking alternates, obsessing over the ones that can fake it, that can exploit this need in him/her?
Such psychologies, refusing the concept of objectivity, are happily enjoying the institutional cocoon, permitting them to delude themselves that their judgments are no different than any other's. From there, what is left but to understand all opinions as being just as emotionally biased, just as socially contrived, just as pleasing, as their own?
Lacking the mental and psychological fortitude, or the genetic potential, to relate to a mind that can see without feeling, and endure what is seen, they defer to a authoritarian god, or to the scientific method, indirectly deferring to an authoritarian majority, which they imagine being practices by well-meaning half-gods, like the priests of old, who channel TRUTH, and it is always, remarkably and conveniently, in agreement with Modern social norms, when it dares to venture into the forbidden territories of humanism, where children might be hurt.
They prefer a recitation of "facts", as though these are not based on empirical, value judgments, over time - as if empiricism, used by science, is some divine mystical method only the trained, the initiated, can apply. With no understanding of what is decreed, they feel its "truth", and feel it as a "positive" sensation, validating what is given to them, from the priesthood. Feeling is how the modern imbecile, contributes to the value-judgment, which he has deferred to the "experts", and then validated by the masses of like-minded imbeciles, and psychotics. Dogs go mad when contained within a small space for too long, and so do humans. Their schizophrenia, manufactured within a closed, controlled, environment, has also produces psychosis in them, as the byproduct, the cost, of the sheltered benefit.
What is left, for the dog to do, but bark, expunging the excess energies its sheltered existence produces easily....and for the human, what else but words, drugs, music, pop-culture? Regression to puppy psychology is what a dog is - a wolf humanely adjusted to human environments - humanized. It reflects what is occurring to humans themselves - a stunting of mind, the individual remaining infantile, puppy-like, playing, barking, predetermining to hunt, to fight, to track, to reproduce, to be in the real world - feminization of mankind. Stunted males, men-children, reduced to a female's state of mind. Wanting to seduce, to look good, to appeal to as many as possible, to be at peace within the pack/herd. Being coy, cynical, socially aware, estimating their value by how many like them, how many friends they have - their social market value. Selling an image to be attractive to as many as possible.
Morons cannot understand how objectivity is a degree of subjectivity, just as strength is a degree of weakness. Science works on passing judgments and then applying them...evaluating the outcome compared to the expected.
Science is a product of the human mind. Life works that way. Life learns, builds reliable experiences, by evaluating the consequences of past choices, against the outcome. The outcome can be corrupted when an external factor intervenes...for example, if a moron gets pregnant with a black guy, believing race does not matter, and there is no institution to protect her choice, then the consequence will be a below average intelligence baby, that will be outperformed by other children. But in a protected environment she may demand special considerations to make her wrong choice right - to reduce the costs of her bad choice. If, for example, a father purposefully loses in a game, to his son, the son will never learn to play the game, convinced that he is already a master of it - undefeated. This is what sheltering does. It cultivates, easy, pleasing, sensations, that inflate the ego, support the psyche, and make it unable to survive in a world, that simply does not give a shit.
If a slut gets pregnant and there is no institutional support then her judgment, her life choices, will result in a consequence that is not debatable. She will live with the consequences of her value judgments, and then demand social support to reduce the costs upon her.
If a soft soul chooses to have a Down Syndrome baby, then their judgment will have consequences which they will live with...and when they die they will leave behind the testament of this judgments. There is no debate over what is healthy if nature has her way. No philosophical conundrum, no vote, no subjectivity can protect you....unless there's a system, made up of institutions, protecting you from your own mistakes. Then you can choose to have ten Down Syndrome babies, and die believing your choices were as good as anyone else's, that your kids are just as good as any other.
Right makes Might is the scientific method. Nobody votes on it, nobody considers the moral implications, unless it is to be applied. Right, based on experiences, posits a judgment, tested over time. If this judgment is truly accurate, more precise, then it holds might over a judgment which is based on feelings, and desires, and moral considerations, and dependent on a sheltering system that allows morons to continue believing in whatever stupidity makes them feel nice. Consequences, not "I say so" is what determines the superiority of a value-judgment if there is no sheltering, external factor, mitigating and adjusting the costs/benefits.
A dog bred to be nice and cute, by humans, will perish when left to fend for itself in the wild. It's cuteness is meaningless, in the wild, when there is no other evolved to respond to it. A lion does not give a shit how cute and fun your dog is. There's no debate over the morality of its demise.....no voting among canines. What kind of human beings do we think can survive in the world....not are they nice, and are they cute, and are they funny. Consequences expose the rightness of a judgment, through costs/benefits...accumulated over time. This is natural selection....the scientific method. Multiple right judgments, over time, discarding wrong judgments, results in an outcome....a product, something pragmatic and tangible...not theoretical, not magical...not scriblings of signs, one meditates over and feels a change, a biochemical change in himself ....no voo-doo, and psychosomatic, ephemeral, highs.
Science is based on philosophy....it is philosophy applied. Most of it is nonsense, dealing with irrelevant theoretical contraptions, meant only to occupy the mind with useless activity....mental-candy, offering a sugar-rush, and zero nutritional value. It's usually, a method of expunging excess energies, in minds so safe, so secure, living in very controlled, predictable environments, that the mind becomes bored.....wanting to release energy, wanting to numb itself from the stress of it. Excess energies accumulated not because of self-worth, but because of sheltering.
This produces "positive" Nihilists, like Abrhamics, Marxists, Humanists...etc.
Then we have the other sorts...those born with weak genes, exposed to harshness, excess stress early on, so that they break, they become damaged, or they flee inward. These are seduced by pure nihilism, they are honest Nihilists.....dreaming of pain shared by all. their misery they wish upon others. Their own fragility makes them feel as if all those who can endure are privileged, when in some cases they are not...it is they who lack the fortitude of psychology, of spirit, to endure. They then make it their mission to not commit suicide, but to impose their fragility upon others....they want to convert them to their skepticism, their weakness, their distaste for life and existence. They want to make then uncertain, frail, dependent....needy...children. They hate themselves but cannot bring themselves to admit it, so they project this hate upon those who do not hate life, and existence, accusing them of some ploy, of lying, or of being, like the first group, spoiled rotten. They want to destroy the world because they cannot endure thinking of others living on, despite what it is....they cannot kil themselves, or motivate themselves to rise, so they want to bring it all down...
This is where I get the pure nihilists, the honest feminine ones, and the hypocritical 'positive' Nihilists, who find the world, as it is, too much to cope with, so they invent an abstraction, a lie, a word/symbol, to cover it all up and make it tolerable for them. So desperate that they need medication to cope. These, as well, canot tolerate thinking of people who do not need such crutches...so they want to assimilate all into their fake reality, their made-up world, their fantasies, used to deal with reality. Inside this faked reality they inflate themselves into gods....because words is all it takes when words need not be applied, or the concept, they refer to, need not be tangible, pragmatic. All theory. Feelings...sensations, ego.
All their theoretics culminate in an esoteric experience...you feel the evidence, you sense the proof of their words, you surrender to sensationalism, impressed by how easy it is, how pleasing....how wonderful that the mind can affect the body in such mystical ways, when it cannot affect anything outside of it, using this technique. A tree cannot be affected, neither does a dog find a symbol magical.... Only a human, moved by internal, repressed energies....fear being the mother of them all. How fear can be converted to universal love is one of the magical tricks of alchemy.
Little boys raised in comfort, speak of need/suffering like little boys speak of war, only having experienced it in video games, in artificial reality. Little boys, soiled rotten, find other spoiled little boys, and share their gaming experiences. Then, one day, little boys come across a Nietzsche, or the commander, who makes their little chests swell with machismo, with that masculine pride, one earns in battle, or after experiencing a trial.... Little boys like the feeling. Like little ducklings, newly born, they imprint on the ones who made them feel so masculine, like adult men.
Unable, and unwilling, to place themselves in a situation where life and death is not s certain, suffering goes beyond their familiar feelings of being a bit uncomfortable, shy, or hungry, thirsty, lacking sleep, having a tooth ache...little boys form cliques of common experiences in the artificial gaming world, where each one has an avatar, and they can role play, and regurgitate from movies, or from books, repeating script, acting out what they can never fully appreciate...because they are stunted, retarded, spoiled brats.
Which new Hero will add to their dead ones? It's only a matter of time before a new icon will inspire their little boy fantasies...never forgetting their first love, the first one who introduced them to a world they knew nothing about...like their first sexual experience, and who can forget their first love? Are not, in final analysis, little boys so close to little girls?
Never read about a movie before you see it. Never inform on another's opinion by reading reviews. it will taint your experience.
Do not little boys read about life before they've lived it? such naive boys become enraptured by the movie experience, having been shocked and awed by what they know nothing about, have never before heard or experienced. They exist the theater imitating their favorite character, usually the movie hero. That night they dream about it. Next morning all is made magical, with distance. Slowly it fades, and they have to reinvigorate the experience by seeing another movie with the same characters.
The world they exit into is another movie set. Their preferred reality is back there, in there or four dimensional space, projected with light, in dark air-conditioned rooms....what reality can match the exhilaration? Dull they feel, in reality. All is insignificant, Bland They need a narcotic, to dull the disappointment, or an accelerator to make the real seem like a movie reel.
Yo, Yo Yo, my snizzles...here be progress , know wut I'm sayin?
Dey be arrested? Damn, dat wrong bra. Wut da paulice hav to do wit it? Damn, if dem queers can have it why can't dem? It's all consensual...progressive....it all about value giving. I axing yus... Now dey crimina? Shiiiat....dan ain't right, yo. Dat bigotry, know wut I'm sayin'?
It all subjectiii....subjectiiiiiiz....it all personal yo. Who say dat wrong....not me. It da man. Know wut I'm sayin'...
Dat be da futa my snizzles. Get to expand yo mind, know wut I sayin'? Get it out of the midd ages. If it be good fer dem, who are we to say....
The cancerform thinks it can talk about loyalty, friendship, leadership - It has gone too far already, it is already terminal to the organism that developed it...
The filth makes accuations I see only now that MagsJ linked me back here to see how pathetic that cancer is - but as I lay my eyes on the cancer, the cancer is just that, cancer - and all that touches it needs to be be 'treated' -
My loyalty and leadership that the cancer presumes to speak of, is exemplary by any historical standard, I always stand by my friends, I have given my appartment to Sauwelios so he could live with that stunning girl of his, I have supported Pezer until as long as he needed and will again, I always back my friends - first of all, because I have friends, and quite a lot of them, and all of them are loyal, as I am to them.
The cancers, I.e. cancerform-Lyssa and cancerform-Stayr, find that life is just a joke. I have no doubt that they will finds their deaths the same way.
I recommend, for that reason, again that the cancer be cut out entirely.
PS - MagsJ - I mean it literally. I see these critters as disease, the filth they like to turn over and over in their mouth is rot. I appreciate that you look down on them so deep you cant even see them, but then you arent the one whose friends and work they are trying to smear, with all the wretched life-ish force they have in the worm-muck that passes for their hearts."
That Fixed should want to see My form everywhere and entertain me this way with his paranoia,
says he positively doesnt want me to have him any other way, it seems… that makes him very special…
for trying so persistently...
After 1, 2, 100 times of telling Fixed, I'm Not Eyes Wide Open, he insists on exposing his ASS WIDE OPEN, and MagsJ swallowing up any piece of flattery that Fixed provided, when he said, "I suddenly realized how cool you are Mags"…. its all it took, and Mags now does Back-Jobs for Fixed-so-OPEN… is auto-confirming what a crack-houseILP has become…
Someone propounding statements like that, encouraging pedophilia and lesbianism, and bestiality and necrophilia and what not as simply "extremely sexual" HAS AIDS!! Maybe mothers and sons, and fathers and daughters, and brothers and brothers, and brothers and sisters committing incest would simply be called "extremely sexual"… why not?!
An Immune Deficiency SIN-drome…
Stop spreading your AIDS Fixed…
You can plead for the right to speak of cancer later, when you are cured of your own pest-i-lens...
Satyr? and your company? A retard XT. MORON WYLD who is preaching the entire opp. of VOt and yet you have to suffer him because quantity of friends is everything, and some PEZER calling it quits and getting Hysterical like some orgiastic female at the slightest mention of National-Socialism…
What the hell?!
Philosophers?? ! I laugh…
Pathetic weaklings with low immune walking around shamelessly justifying the murders of communism and its heart-voidness called "brotherhood" nurtured on flattery like throwing bones to a hungry dog is NOT even close to anything close to philosophy or art or ethics or even your own ain-sophy, idiots… even SHITE has more value than what you call philosophy.
Now that I have you diagnosed for free, flatter that genius friend of yours, who has a cure for AIDS, he'll service your dirty laundry for free.
What have you become? tsk tsk…
Now WE have you REDUCED TO BEGGING and manipulating the moderators there for banning us…
That's what you have become…
A spineless wyrm.
And with no spine, you forfeit the right to speak of heart. period.
Maj is a perfect example of how words can be discredited by actions. This almost MENSA member cannot help but expose her true mental quality, in the choices she is proud of, and by how easily she gives-in to gossip and simple flattery. After so many years in the privileged, and much coveted, post of moderating a, so called, philosophy forum, I cannot find one single instance of her superb mind at work - something dazzling, impressive, and not base, mediocre. I can only hope that her theoretical "genius" finds some outlet among her peers - in bars, high-end restaurants, dance-clubs and fancy soirees, her wit admired by minds on her level. If only she would share it with all of us.
Mags when caught and exposed for her double-standards on Latinos by Eyes Wide Open, uses the back-door and PMs Fixed to do her fighting and defending for her, in the pretext of pointing out a "joke".
Why does she call Fixed and point out that thread to him?
If Fixed congratulates himself on buying off Mags with flattery and manipulating mods to rule the forum via them,, Mags is no lesser using Fixed and Smears and those like them, like her puppets to do her fighting for her and ruling through her minions…
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is repeatedly held forth as the bogeyman, sometimes he is advocating rape, sometimes he's an "objectivist", other times he's a Nazi, and now the christian uses him as an example of censorship. I am not advocating rape, I am simply explaining the reason it evolved as an option; not an "objectivist", as men-children define the term; not a Nazi, as I am neither German nor a nationalist, nor a socialist, and I most certainly never banned anyone. Funny that the way imbeciles define objectivity makes me the opposite. I am not rational because I hold the ideal....there is no absolute ideal. No absolute truth. Degrees, sweet imbeciles, think in degrees. Trying to make me unsure of my own positions to make idiocy equal to what I consider superior reasoning, may work on women and the "kids" but not with a half-beast, like me. How I establish what is superior, discerning it from what is inferior, - what is more probable and what is not - has already been explained. I will not give private personal lessons, offering tear-jerking personal accounts....to reduce it all to emotionalism. I simply cannot waste my time like I used to. Neither will I proclaim myself "genius" to impress and seduce feeble minds, because that's what Nietzsche, supposedly would have done...although the quote below shows humility beyond my own.
Impressing others using bombastic language, promising things you will never be able to deliver, using convoluted rhetoric to imply mysterious hidden power, to make little boys and girls salivate, is beneath me. I cannot, and will not, prostitute myself, for a moment of pleasure.
Banishment means you are excluded from a forum, as far as I know. On KT we categorize, placing each participant in a place appropriate for his style of thinking, and expressing himself. We never stop them from posting. We quarantine types into spaces they can more adequately relate with others of their kind, without disturbing the rest who may have different motives and styles of expression.
Nihilists need that either/or absolutism, placing all in neat little categories in their tiny brains - good over on this pile, and the evil on this one. With such a simplistic arrangement the slightest similarity will immediately create an emotion, and the emotion will complete the judgment - good/bad. This subjectivity, requiring no objective criteria, is why they insist on making subjectivity a uniform universal standard.
I am more afraid of being understood by feeble-minded psychotics who would twist my concepts into ways for them to deal with their insecurities, as many already have. What I am saying is far worse than the average moron can sense, and though I have openly stated it with clear and simple language they, to my relief, have only partially grasped the implications, or of what they've gleaned they could only relate to some pop-cultural depiction of some hypothetical historical event, or some historical icon, translated to them by some "benevolent authority".
If the present condition of the world does not disturb you, then KT is not the forum for you. Go back to gossiping, and sharing anecdotes about how smart you are, and what a happy productive life you are living. Masturbate, get high....leave. Who cares? Return to the throng. Not only am I not interested in helping anyone who cannot help himself/herself, but I urge them to follow charlatans, selling dreams using pretty words full of positive messages; shuffle-off like hungry zombies, hearing voices in their heads, ascribing it to an external monster, a foreign will...a god. Regression is not only expressed as feminization but as a return to the Bicameral Mind - regression as the softening of words, converting them from steel tools to plastic toys, for little girls and boys. I want them all in large herds, where I can study them and know where I can find them. I want them to imitate my style and use my metaphors, thinking they've overcome. I enjoy watching children play....m only issue is when children vote, affecting me with their childish judgments and infantile, fantastic ways of understanding world. That's the "problem" I have with retarded psychotics...but I've figured-out a way to not be as affected. I turned lemons into sour/sweet lemonade. My only concern now is for my son. I have to teach him how to deal with brain-dead zombies, and schizophrenics hearing voices in their cavernous heads. I need to train him to recognize and deal with the variety of creatures this modern world has made possible - how to save his blood from emotional vampires and give it for noble causes. That's my one and only "problem", now.
It's most interesting that my usage of the concept Hellenism has been translated, by morons, to mean nationalism, guided by their own red-white-and-blue way of looking at the world. Nationalism is a simplistic form of tribalism. Mine is defined by a harmony between genes and memes. Modern nation states are not that. I have nothing but contempt for modern Greece and think it has little in common with its glorious past, just as modern Egypt has little to do with its own ancient past. anybody who has actually, and honestly, read my posts, would know this. Modern Greece is infected by Abrahamism, and stifled by 400 years of Turkish culture, that never allowed the country to go through the stage of enlightenment. The country today, other than having a language with over 2000 years of continuity, is a shadow of its past, but the embers are still present. Calling me a nationalist exposes the reader's understanding of Hellenism.
I immediately know when a simpleton has no clue what I, as Satyr, am saying, and is simply and easily sampling from his memories of words I used, to connect them with his/her own understanding. If I were to waste my time correcting each and every one of them, individually, in private lessons, I would never leave my house. But, who cares, really....imbeciles shall be helped to remain imbeciles.
I'm setting the record straight for any silent reader who may be confused by the words of a christian hypocrite. I will be whatever the myriads of morons want me to be. I'll put on any person-suit they want - I'll wear any uniform they need to make sense of me, and then I will play with their mistakes, or correct them, if, and when, I please.
Calling me names will not help you deal with the views I am presenting, if they are truly objective. Doesn't matter what you think of me, when you cannot challenge my views with anything but infantile reasoning, and child-like tactics. Ignoring me will not help, either, if indeed my views are objective.
I never promoted violence. I promoted the end of sheltering weakness, allowing nature to take its course. Bad judgments, produced by inferior minds ought to enjoy the full benefits and, also, pay the full costs, otherwise you get minds like the chimpanzee and her word-juggling performance trying to embarrass objectivity. I do not create what I describe, I only expose it. Whether I am alive or dead, or if I am allowed to speak or silenced, this will not alter anything about the real world I've made my duty to un-cover, whether I, or anyone else likes it, or not.
I've never been in a popularity contest. If I wanted to, most who now despise me would want to be my friends. Never wanted allies, preferring the isolation of battle against greater odds - it's a thrill. Always been a bit of a lone wolf, but with age man changes. That like-minded individuals the world over were attracted to my views, and the way I expressed them, was merely a side-effect of my over sixteen year participation on forums, and an adjustment I've had to accept as part of my duty to now accommodate others tactics, and other styles, in the same war against Nihilism, and the decadence and retardation it produces as part of its collateral effect.
KT is not my forum. It never was. Some imbeciles like to believe KT is populated by Satyr and his sock-puppets....going so far as to presume Lyssa is another moniker Satyr is hiding behind. Who cares, when this exposes the quality of their judgments? Simpletons believe that because their own delusions are based no emotions, and shared insecurities, and submitting to authorities, that this is how everyone is. They only know pleasure and pain - coercion and manipulation. Threat/Reward. Because their own indefensible positions are founded on self-serving flattering, motives, they assume this is so for everybody.
Apaosha was kind enough to offer it for me to express my positions. We never claimed KT was democratic, or an open forum, and still we've provided special areas for such open exchanges. We've made the Dungeon , an area where we isolate the unruly, or those who troll and only come here to avenge themselves with childish antics. The Agora still remains accessible to all who would post an opinion, even one contradicting our own shared values. Unlike forums who claim to be about philosophy, or democratic and open to all perspectives, we never contradicted our own principles, because we never pretended to be that. Ironic that nihilists claim to be representing these high-minded ideals and then break their own principles, whereas we, who piss on those duplicitous principles, are more representative of their spirit, but not for the same bullshyte reasons. We tolerate not because we value all equally, but to compete, to test, and to expose. We are just, and fair, not because of some moral code, but because it is in our nature to seek out the highest and to give it the appreciation it deserves - we are noble. It's why we appreciate our enemies, and hunt them out, wherever they may be hiding.
We do not obsess, we go where the prey is - even if in a protective enclosure, a barn, or a gaming reserve. We never banned anyone who came here in good faith, offering a challenge. And those who do so should not expect to be treated with a velvet glove.
We quarantine those who disrupt this process, for psychological reasons, and who exist, in their minds, in a world other than the one we all share. There's nothing to be gained by engaging insanity. Some minds are beyond salvaging, and are not even good as challengers to test our views. Yet, we still never ban them.
The forum itself is a venue for sharing, self-cultivating, and expanding shared values. We never claimed to be like other forums, open and accepting, and respectful, settling for numerical validation. Our numbers are few, as expected, as desired. We seek the rare, not the mediocre, the insane, the common, the everyday, out there in the "real world" where people pass each other by, sharing platitudes and fake smiles, repeating the same lies, like parrots, like brain-dead zombies. If we wanted that, why come on-line, when the world, as it is, offers nothing but this - why would we, like ILP, want to be a reflection of the "real world" bullshyte, of pretenses and faked politeness? If all that was in our mind was the collective narrative then why come here to repeat it, over and over? If all we wanted was to be controversial to gain attention, then there are better, faster, ways to do so. Why come to a tiny, insignificant, part of a vast internet space?
Holding me, us, accountable to your standards is to be expected, but when not even you can abide by your own standards then that is simply....Modern. Symptom of nihilism is self-deception - lying to self is what moderns do best, beginning with self-flattery, and ending with declarations of victory.
By the way....if Satyr's views are objective, if they have substance, then he is no longer necessary for their continuance. He seeks no accolades, no rewards. He speaks because he cannot keep silent, before so much stupidity. He overflows with anger against idiocy, lies, hypocrites, pretenders. He despises, most of all, those who self-deceive, to deal with the world and then sell this deception as a virtue. That level of decay sickens me.
Whatever loyalty and friendship I've experienced on the net was because people appreciated my insights more than they despised by vitriolic character. Never claimed to be a genius, or an expert on anything.
My gift, other than that of using words, is to point out the obvious, which in this age is something extraordinary. This forum is not about me. It is about something grander, more noble than an imperfect, fallible half-man. I am only its loyal, and devoted servant.
A rebellious act, among the blind, the comfortably numb, the willfully insane. My act of social transgression was taken-up not by choice, but because I could not abide by the silence, before so many lies, and so many marketed delusions.
Perhaps, unlike Frank I did not have enough fear in regards to being understood. Maybe that's why he is now a dildo in the anus of men-children like Ollie and Iakob, and poor emaciated Pezer, and I am hated or misinterpreted, by desperate imbeciles, the world over. What if, like him, I were to use that Literature knowledge, to cloud it all in insinuations, and references, mental-midgets could use to convert me, into another Semite, or, why not, a Christian reformer? Why would I not prefer to be seen as a Christian?
With no world to direct interpretation how would we know what was accurate? Even his "theoretical" misogyny, by current standards, can be redefined so that his words, and the imagery, can mean anything. Maybe he was a feminist, ahead of his time - afraid to speak his mind so he pretended to be cruel towards the fair sex. What if, modern females can twist it that way, with a bit of ingenuity and crazy creativity?
What if Salome saw something vile, when she chose Ree instead, something modern worshipers want to explain as her fault? What if the idol had a crack, all too human?
A sober, sexually inexperienced, intellectual, who, by today's standards, would be ridiculed. Now the icon for drug addicted, sexually frustrated, obsessive imbeciles, and cowardly Judeo-Christians, looking for a reason to be proud, and to feel strong.
How much more would he have hoped to be misunderstood, more than he already is?
What if, like the Bible and Nostradamus, and the Delphic witches, I were to speak in parables and metaphors, letting the reader find in his own personal experiences, his education, his life, his family, a reason to adore me? Jews could claim me as their own, and Christians, in time, and desperate nit-wits, looking for daddy unlike their own., - but better, deeper, more ambiguous.
What if I were to cloud it all in psychology, knowing that there lies the ailment of the modern, so called, philosophy? Then I could pass on messages, by offering insights into current psychosis, and remain misunderstood by the average, desperate, nincompoop, who did not want to interpret me in a way that would hurt his own feelings. How much easier it would have been, if unlike early Socrates, I did not offer my mind to degenerates and feeble-minded cowards, born in decadence and filth?
Yes...easier. Like Nietzsche's leisurely stipend.
Instead, I worked and I let no doubt remain as to what I thought. No doubt , at all. Not a single escape, for those trapped in my mind.
And now, as things stand, children and women piss on me, thinking they will drown me to silence. So, be it.
The person suit came off and can be put back on again....time will fade the memory of what was said, and a new game will have begun.
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