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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:52 pm

I wonder if they handed out stipends for free like alms in the University back then…

I guess N. never Earned it owing to his intellect, and that too from his Superiors, not his peers, in his 20s.

And the constant poking that Dionysian is modern ghetto, or that N. wrote in some mystical parables shows the level of impressionability ILP has left its inroads into some people.
N. is extremely responsible for how Fixed and co. behave,, just as one should suppose how Satyr is responsible, given his "extreme clarity" and "pages of definition" for how Sander/Turd and other imbeciles make of his writing…
And in moments of clarity and conscience, hasn't Fixed admitted himself, his project is Not Nietzschean? He knows its not.

These are cheap shots.

I can respect a man overcoming and smashing all idols,
but doing so, using lies, smear tactics, and so much pretense to blot them out unfairly, on a philosophy forum, is better left to their own reflection.

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:09 pm

Concerning Intellectual and/or Nihilistic cliques, based on the pyramid scheme....
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Yes, but in this case the product is intangible.
It is idea.
So payback can only be a feeling, an emotion, exchanged using words/symbols, or it can be converted into money, an abstraction that can represent anything, tangibles and intangibles.

I think of it as a trickle-down, power pyramid.
The seller is really part of another's pyramid, but also the peak, the pinnacle, of his own.
New recruits, converts, trickle down appreciation, positive emotions towards him.
The seller is the recipient of emotional positivity, which he offers to his own pinnacle. The one who initiated him into the idea, and made him a part of his power pyramid.
The seller, now the start of a new power pyramid, is the pinnacle of a new power clique.
He is the center-piece, and the recipient of whatever the clique uses as a code of exchange.
He stimulates them with positive feedback, positive reinforcement, to keep them addicted, stuck within his pyramid.
There is no tangible product...it is all abstraction, so words are how the exchanges are made.
It's all magical.
A hierarchy based on an intangible idea.
Often useless outside the contexts of the pyramid scheme.

In this particular one Nietzsche is the pinnacle of the entire pyramid scheme.  
In others some other icon, some other famous figure, like Jesus, might be the pinnacle.
The icon is the selling point. The celebrity, used to market the scheme.

The code needs the pyramid because without it the idea vanishes...the pyramid dissolves.
Words are like mortar keeping each member, each triangular boulder, in its place within the pyramid.
Triangle is the triad of reason, passions, will or Body/Mind/Nervous System

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The large pyramid has, at its pinnacle (A), the icon, in this case Nietzsche.
Within it there are inverted pyramids, reminding us of the Jewish symbol.
The smaller pyramids place the leader at the bottom (E) and the followers at the top, trickling down whatever they use as exchange, but usually, in Nihilistic pyramids it is intangible, abstract, using codes...words.
(E) is the priest, the shaman type. He places himself in the shadow, within the A's pyramid.
A-B, and A-C represent the limits of A's ideology.

Each seller/pinnacle (E) also has a mentor, someone who is the pinnacle in a pyramid in which (E) is but a member....see figure (b).
They promise to make every member of their pyramid a pinnacle in their own pyramid is what is offered as the reward.
It's a power structure using semiology instead of actions, or tangible phenomena - it's all theoretical, abstract, noetic.


(E) Inverts (A) ideology creating within its contexts a negation.
Think of Saul in relation to Jesus.
Jesus (A) in the greater pyramid within which Saul (E) inverts (A) and creates a following in contradiction to (A)
Everyone within the D-F-E counter-pyramid is the Nihilistic clique - the power pyramid, tricklnig down to (E) positivity, emotion, or even money: words, symbols, any representation of code.
Words, hold power only within the context of the participants in the pyramid. It is powerless outside the pyramids.  

Think of (D) & (F) as belonging to both Nietzsche's upright pyramid and (E) inverted pyramid. either seduced or misguided or lost, or whatever.
(A) is the context within which (E) seduces and exploits them.
At the same time they are the pinnacle of an upright pyramid, reflecting/imitating the iconic one.
They want to be like (A), the inspiring icon, but are, at the same time, part of an inversion of the icon.  

The primary icon receives nothing...he is God-like, at the very top.
A "perfect" icon, an ideal holding the entire scheme together with its words.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:05 pm

How does one attack an idea he does not comprehend, or has ever bothered to understand?

By casting allusion, implying, thrashing about by throwing words like one throws stones, hoping some find their mark, imagining that they have done damage to the incomprehensible which we feel as threatening.

How does one ensure his nonsensical, or rehashed ideology is never threatened, remains impregnable to critique, allowing only praise to filter through?

By keeping it as vague as possible.
By claiming the threatening critique simply did not understand, or that it is incomprehensible to anyone who threatens its "purity".
By mystifying it using words, symbols, that evoke emotional responses.


Solution...
Define words/symbols.
Use words/symbols as tools, as they were meant to be sued:
Connectors of mind to body - representing nervous system/brain.
Connector the previous to world.
Use words to connect the abstraction in the brain, the noumenon, with phenomena.

Phenomena limit the usage of words.
World imposes order upon the mind. It forces it to do or die, to reason or to surrender to emotional insanity.
It forces sobriety upon the psyche.
It is the gravity that pulls a flighty imagination back to the ground - the earth.

Only from such a grounding can the mind explore upward and outward, remaining firmly attached to earth.

If, on the other hand, exploiting human frailty is the goal, then the previous pyramid scheme is for you....a "philosophical enterprise".
Gathering flakiness, from the seven winds into the ego's sack of hot-air.
Gathering leaves, broken off from branches, attached to trees with deep roots, to create a beautiful tapestry to walk upon.



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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:40 pm

Chimpanzee translated into Human

Down to Earth
A) Americanize it.
B) Dumb it Down.
C) Emote.
D) Use simpler language.
E) Gossip - sharing feelings.
F) Lower your positions to my simplifications - accept my starting self-evident premises as your own - it does not matter what you think, or what you actually say...if you want me to discuss anything with you, you are obliged to begin by adopting my views as your own....because I can't really think outside their limits. I'm stuck in a mental loop {see A & B}.



Dasein
A) Thrown into Human systems - thrown into society.
B) Hocus-pocus get out of a bind, for-free, card.
C) Tabula Rasa. Clean Slate. All is born with zero genetic programming. All is learned.
D) All is a social construct - all is political. All is learned.  



Huff and Puff
A) Intimidating
B) Unable to accept my delusions.
C) Negative passion, other than my own.
D) Easy way to ignore another.
E) Anyone who insults me.  



Scholastic/Didactic
A) Too complex for me to understand.
B) Way over my head.
C) Confusing.
D) Complicated language being used.
E) Every book I ever read on philosophy.
F) What comic-books are not.
G) How I hide my inability to comprehend.
H) Reminds me of my own retardation.  



Abortion
A) What I wish my mother had done.
B) My dream - out of the uterus abortion.
C) Pet project.
D) Mind Candy.
E) Source of my private pain.  



Humanity
A) World. Universe.
B) God's other name. Name for the absolute.
C) Reality.
D) 'All is god's will' translated into the secular, 'all is human will'.
E) Based on the Abrahamic...the good, the moral. To be human is to be moral in the Abrahamic sense.
F) Group of legitimate voters who decide what is real.



Might is Right
A) Fascism.
B) Objectivity. {see objectivity}
C) Reminds me of two of my faults: absence of might and not being right.
D) What Democracy negates with We are Right.



Right is Might
A) Individual being correct instead of community voting in what is correct.
B) Not empiricism, or the scientific method.
C) Has nothing to do with an advantage gained by the one being correct, over others.
D) Another way of saying Might is Right {see Might is Right}
E) A change in my usual cut & paste routine.



Democracy
A) Ideal. Perfect
B) Replaces "I say so" with "We say so".
C) Quantity over Quality.
D) Where I hide my stupidity and feebleness.
E) How reality is voted in.
F) What creates world, now that God is dead.
G) what protects me from a brutal and unfair world.
H) How to change the world for the better. But I may be wrong  Wink
I) How we decide what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' - morality.
J) How I change my mind to adapt to trends, fads - enlightenment, open mindedness.
K) Marxism under a new, softer, kinder, name: socialism.
L) Authoritarianism of the masses.
M) How the lower-common-denominator rules, and unifies all with a shared identity.        



World/Reality
A) Society
B) Economy
C) Morality
D) Humanity
E) Human constructs
F) Words objectivists use {see objectivity}.



Reason
A) God's Will.
B) Alternate name for soul/spirit.
C) What I have little of.
D) Skyhook.  



Ideal
A) Absolute
B) Perfect
C) Whole
D) Certain
E) Omnipotent & Omniscient
F) Another name word meaning God.



Nature
A) Mythology
B) God, the absolute.
C) What lies outside subjectivity, in other worlds...nothing.
D) What I am indifferent to.
E) Another word - another contraption. There is only socioeconomics and politics. All else is scholastic didactic...{see scholastic/didactic}
F) What only humans are free from.
G) What communally sanctioned "experts" talk about.
H) What is decided in a vote, full of compromises.  



Subjective
A) World.
B) Reality.
C) "I say so", rather than "you say so".
D) Perspective, judgment, equal to any other.
E) Freedom.
F) No past, no nature, no problem.
G) Equality.  



Objectivist
A) Confident.
B) Able to defend his views.
C) What I am not.
D) Anyone challenging my subjectivity.
E) World beyond human socioeconomic political systems.
F) Anyone denying the perfection of Democracy, my Ideal.
G) He who understands life beyond culture and civilization.
H) He who claims there is such a thing as human nature - rejects the tabula rasa hypothesis.
I) He who denies the starting premises of my delusion - rejects them as 'self-evident'.
J) Everyone that hurts my feelings.
K) All that results in conflicting goods - including life in general.
L) Whoever does not show the proper "christian" humility, and willingness to compromise, no matter how ridiculous the alternative position.
M) Whoever does not constantly change his/her mind.
N) Those who are not Nihilists.
O) Anyone who does not accept perspectivism as the parity of all judgments, as a starting universal premise.   


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:33 pm

Naivete is what Nihilists are most proud of.
It's their "innocence" that makes them unwary "victims" of a world they deny, and forget.
Their motives are always childish, for the sake of fun, pleasure, for exploring their own imagination, and how creative they can be when nothing hinders them inside the protective sphere of human systems.
Abiding by the rules of adults, they adjust their gamesmanship, pushing the boundaries like little rascals.  

Fearless, before a reality they can manufacture and evade into their magical word-mazes.
Paranoia is a dis-ease they cannot relate to, being so carefree, so brave before what they are ignorant of.
Creatively playing with words, manufacturing alternate realities to reign over - he with the most vivid imagination gets to direct play.

It's all about humanity, and how to affect and seduce the multitudes into playing their private game.
Their "power" never goes beyond the boundaries of humanity - the frontier within which symbols, words, metaphors, have an effect.
Outside these premises they are impotent, helpless, innocent little children, who simply do not know any better, and only meant well.
Easily hurt, fragile, like all boys and girls are, and resilient - they bounce back after every set-back when they are protected from the worse implications of their failed delusions.
They reboot, tweek their fantasy worlds and return, even more confident than before, reinventing themselves as easily as changing their clothes and adopting a updated, hip, style.
They forget the numerous mistakes of the past, the embarrassing errors in judgment, the pains, as all children do.
Every so often they are reborn as a sphinx out of the ashes of a past they reject as irrelevant.
Experiences happened to that other character, now surpassed and left behind - new adventures in foolishness await them.  
Their real strength is exposed in how easily they are bruised by the slightest hint of a world outside their fantasies.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:43 pm

Trump reminds us how a spoiled-brat, a well-fed charlatan can motivate the hungry, the lost, the desperate.
He feeds from his excess, and his excess was handed to him.

How, using a lost brother, and hidden resentment towards a father, he can convert this into a simile for dealing with his narcissism in relation to those multitudes he needs, to feed into his delusions, and cares nothing about.
Pretending to care for those he would soon spit on when the winds shift.
 
The mark of a salesman, twisting his own insecurity into a shared desire, a social movement; converting his own lack into abundance, lost in a cavernous desire for what he has yet to face, on his own.
Adopting, regurgitating, imitating what he knows will sell among the lost and the desperate.
He does not intent to follow through with what he uses to seduce.
He deserves more than what he sells.

He seeks in other what he cannot find in self, and other always lets him down, turning his ire into a condemnation, he goes to the next, having already forgotten.
He lies, as if it were true, and then attacks the one exposing him with an accusation of hypocrisy.

The outcome is as predictable as thunder after lightning.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:44 pm

Philosophy has been so corrupted by Nihilism, that it has become eroticized.
Now, understood, as “love of wisdom”, rather than “friend of wisdom”.
Roman linguistic interpretations have passed on an interpretation of Hellenic thinking that we now associate the paganism, Hellenism represents, with Latin infections, dis-eased by Arahamic infection.
We moderns, understand wisdom as genius, and openness to other, as erotic passion, blind to everything contradicting subjective desire.

Φιλο = lover, mad blind passion, need multiplied by the desire - both lack and surplus producing self-contradicting processes.
Σοφια = genius - excess intellect of leisure made possible by protective, sheltering, institutionalization.

Friend of pragmatic knowledge, is defined in accordance to Modern infections as blind passion, unleashing excess brain-power from its suffering in ennui - overflowing.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:33 am

An Abrahamic mind, desperate to mask its essence, its nihilistic rejection of world as void of absolutes, of human ideals, to harmonize the incompatible one/nil paradigm with nature, the desirable idea(l) that annuls the real, must lie.
He must pretend, manipulate ignorance, and linguistic confusion - he must hide his Abrahamic spirit, or reserve it for the clique, the initiated - the lowly fishermen, pulled away from hearth and family to be converted into followers.
It's only option rests in the confusion of words, after he has detached them from their original utility, their function, and conveniently converted them to ambiguities, now susceptible to emotional effects.

How else could he merge the icon of Jesus with the icon of paganism into a magical "one"?
How else could he return the idol breaker, back to the broken shards of a broken idol as its replacement?
Reinventing Judeo-Christianity by using the very noes that destroyed it, for the common man.
For he speak to a commoner, mesmerizing, impressing, delicate, impressionable, desperate minds with old methods, adjusted to modern circumstances.
Did not Saul already perform this memetic alchemy?
What are we witnessing with the emergence of new Messiahs, but a repeat performance.
A post-Christianity, Marxism, Judeo-Christian, Islamic rebirth.
Repeated drug usage makes the body immune, less susceptible....the drug, the opiate, has to be adjusted - its potency multiplied.
If a virus is to survive the body's adjusted autoimmune system it must find new ways to hide, to mimic the host body's processes - it must become more toxic.
Otherwise it perishes, its is expunged - the body detoxing.

And with ever resurgence of the same dis-ease, a new nil-nullifying icon, ironically calling himself a Nihilists to imply his nullification of human constructs, with no references outside human brains; a new idol-shatterer is born, until the day when frontiers will make the cycle of health-disease, obsolete, and the final frontier will open up humanity to what it denies, and, now, trembles beneath.

Patterns repeat.
Same old lies reborn as a new-world Christianity, that no longer deserves the title. A new, truer-Modern Messiah is born, making Jesus a prophet, a false Messiah....for those, chosen, still waiting.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:50 am

They are so psychologically embedded, so intellectually invested within Nihilistic memes they cannot think outside its premises.
We call it Modernity not to besmirch the current, the progressive, but to expose this current state, as an end state, within a world of inaccessible physical frontiers. This fact alone forces a immersion within, an exploration of esoteric unexplored domains which are, then, guided by the absence of external ones towards the same entrapment, the same desire to adapt to population and resource pressures, using words to claim a piece of the shrinking "pie".
A psychology is shaped by environment, and this one imposes limits to exoteric expunging, forcing an esoteric numbing, or a desperate search for internal escapes into unclaimed territories.
Desperation corrupts the mind with passion. Unable to find anything not yet claimed, it constructs strange new interpretations of the old - it attempt to convert the outdated into something unique, by changing the labels and the packaging, by taking what has been staked-out and inverting it, destroying the original by cutting it into pieces it can rearrange in strange new forms, often so unrealistic as they can only stand in theory, they can only exist and harmonize, fit into cohesive models, in the mind, in theory.
In theory contradictions are clouded over, hidden, behind unnecessary verbal complexities, pretending to be deep insights; mystified by exploiting the human condition and its existential anxieties; its genetic predisposition towards socializing, towards belonging, towards being appreciated, loved, acknowledged; manipulating emotions to stand-in for the missing parts, now swept into mists, of mystical inspiration, synthesizing noumenon with phenomenon so that the latter is no longer required, nor preferred, given the easy, malleability of the former.

Nihilism could only have spread in these psychosomatic constricted circumstances.
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First in the east, through Buddhism, and then towards the west, through Zoroastrianism, that needed the viral boost of Judaism, splitting into Christianity and Islam, due to the west's Hellenic inheritance and its eventual discovery of new, unsettled, unexplored geographic frontiers westward.
We can only explain Hellenic cosmopolitanism as a product of a seafaring people, able to sample exotic products without being threatened by them, because of the ocean barriers, acting as physical and psychological distances.

But what is nihilism?
The simple answer is found in how the mind conceptualizes, how it translates the fluid into static forms, how it interprets flux into abstractions, how it converts stimuli, gathered from phenomena, first into neurological pulses and then into noumena, mental constructs representing the phenomenon.
It is hinted in Jayne's Bicameral Mind, and the slow emergence of self-consciousness, out of consciousness, reflecting the slow development of consciousness out of unconsciousness, through the first stages of automatic reactivity and iteration. Self-Consciousness confusing an organism habituated, over thousands of years of evolution, with an outwardly focused perception - saving it from the discomforts of insecurity, self-esteem, and existential questions.
We, Moderns, are the final stage, the Last Men, in this slow process of emerging consciousness of consciousness, exposing us to a self yet unexplored, and shrinking spaces, divided, contained, monitored, and regulated. Perfect conditions for the spread of dis-ease, both of the physical and psychological kind - both genetic and memetic.
There could have not been Buddhism to challenge Hinduism, without the necessity to control and dominate huge heterogeneous populations, just as there could not have been Judaism to infect Hellenism, with its victim-psychology, its inversions, if not for the inevitable loss of frontiers, and the inevitable necessity for large heterogeneous, populations, living in harmony, to run the mechanisms, to claim territories competed over by others, larger, populations.
Hellenism Cosmopolitanism had to be given an internal, psychological, sea to distance self from others who press, physically, around it, competing for ever-shrinking spaces and resources.

Nihilism is the inevitable consequence of absence. A neurotic reaction to an abstraction finding no reference outside the mind.
A confusion between esoteric constructs, voices, thoughts, and exoteric stimuli, appearances, presence - noumenon mistaken for the phenomenon, itself, just as, once, internal dialogue was confused for divine wills, speaking to the individual.
Originally it defined a world where universals, absolute, were absent, labeling it, with infantile disappointment, as a negative, a nil.
Abrahamic artifices could not placate the demands of increasingly literate and self-conscious minds.
It's physical walls, supported ideologically, dogmatically, maintaining divisions and distinctions, and the strife that accompanies discrimination, had to be replaced by noetic ones - lobotomizing consciousness, fragmenting it, so that no cohesive reaction would threaten its soothing outcome.
This, original, demand that world provide for mind the constructs in its mind, its desirable projections, confusing the pragmatic essence of "love", and "morality", and "ideals", and its eventual disappointing realization of their absence in world, in the child-like way they were imagined, leads to the psychosis of Nihilism. A mental condition necessary for harmonizing heterogeneous populations within a world void of accessible frontiers. Mental frontiers had to be artificially produced, to compensate for this absence of release, so as to internalize energies and stop them from exploding outward, after prolonged periods of repression.

Nihilism is multifarious and easy, because it is not limited by anything outside of its control.
It is hypocritical and comforting, because it repeats what the mind desperately wants to be so.
It is codependent because it requires others to maintain and sustain it, in its relieving detachment, its self-narcosis - the real world dealt with in pieces, so as to not challenge the individual's delusions. Specialization reflecting internal compartmentalization - schizophrenia. The mind's selective detachment from world protected from it, allowing the individual to escape internally, to hide, and to wander through noetic frontiers of its own making.
With no need for a concise model of world, the individual could indulge in selective references, that need not be complementary but increasingly at odds - the costs of this detachment mitigated by a system of sheltering reinforcing the individual's convoluted convictions.Esoteric disharmony dealt with using vagueness, ambiguity, mysticism, verbal conundrums hinting at deeper "truths" that need not materialize, nor be applied, but only cope.

So, what is Nihilism, if he dismiss the common definition as a byproduct of human infancy, and desperation, begging to be given what is most needed?
It is noetic inversion of stimuli gathered when organism (inter)acts with phenomena.
This inversion occurs in the mind, where phenomena are interpreted, translated, into noetic.
What was meant to be used to deal with world is now liberated from its task, its work, to play.
In the mind where external order does not hold sway is where overturning, inverting, recombining in strange ways, begins to confuse the mind, sheltered from this detachment, convincing it of what is most desirable, seducing it with its own fabrications to flea a reality that no longer confronts, but stands in the ready to be toyed with.
With no severity of consequences imagination becomes fantasy, and nihilism becomes a defender to social harmonization, because this supports its desire to detach and remain safe from the world being detached from.

How, else, would nihilism spread and express itself other than by using words, symbols, metaphors?
With a selective reference to world, all that remains are sensations, emotions, abstractions, represented by symbols, shared, triggering the same sensations, emotions in others, creating an alternate reality - a noetic world, uninhibited by anything outside the immediate intervention of human will. The sense of empowerment reinforced when others are seduced, integrated into the noetic world, sharing in its "benefits", protected from the costs.
Domestication, husbandry - the psychology of herbivorous living in protective enclaves, fencing out the external, the unpredictable, indifferent wild.



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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:30 am

Divisions
Division of Nihilism into two distinct groups representing two psychological dispositions.

Nihilism as inversion of reality, or the negative reaction to a world missing what the mind demands, expects, needs.
What makes life possible is defined as a negative to be "corrected" with human interventions, but because these interventions are psychologically based, and refer to nothing outside mind, they replace reality with an alternate, fantastic one.
An alternate reality completely dependent on belief, conviction, and therefore validated numerically, by how many minds participate in reinforcing its "truth".
World's challenge to mind is replaced by the |problem" of conviction, and maintaining control over as many minds as possible.
Words, symbols, become the code of constructing, sharing, and manipulating these niter-subjective ties.
Phenomena are replaced by emotions, sensations, which can be artificially produces, either internally or using artificial stimulants, that effect the brain directly.  
All is malleable, correctable, when all is abstraction unrestricted by anything external, by phenomenon.
A sheltering system is a requirement, and so supporting any ideology that results in the reduction of conflict, that inhibits the emergence of challenges to the minds "right" to live inside its own fantasies, are vehemently supported.
World's challenge is replaced by competing over the hearts and minds of those who will reintegrated into nihilistic ideologies.
Philosophy becomes a politics - love as politics.      
Validating a thought now becomes a matter of convincing and coercing others, who share in the interpretation of the same symbols.
Meaning, originally describing a relationship of (inter)acting patterns, now becomes a matter of emotional, sensational, appeal.
Reason becomes seductive rhetoric, fabricating Brave New World meanings, by creatively rearranging words, and their reference.

These two distinct groupings of Nihilism are:

Pure, or authentic Nihilism
Rejecting all, annulling all, denying all, so as to replace it with personal fabrications, words, ideals.
Deconstructing noumena so as to expose their artificiality, but never exploring the source of these noetic artifices. Stopping at the negation, opening up a new frontier the individual can create his own, private, universe.
Desiring all to follow suit, so as to minimize the external effects of this fleeing inwards.


Duplicitous, "positive" Nihilism
The most popular form, defining Abrahamism, Marxism, and Humanism, as well as Buddhism.
The most creative, necessitating a competition over beliefs, since the world is not permitted to exact its price for such delusions.
Duplicitous because it must survive within a world it selectively denies and inverts.
Words contradicted by actions, when actions in accordance to convictions would mean certain death, or, at least, a severe self-handicapping.
Self-Handicapping used, as it is always used, to signal "fitness" - pea-cocking. We also witness this in male signaling of their theoretical "fitness' using sportscars, luxuries, material and behavioral excesses.
Within a protective environment this signaling can be a form of false advertisement.
This form of Nihilism negates reality, reacts to the absence negatively, to then replace it with its own fabrications.
It relies on convincing and/or coercing as many minds into its fabrications, its noetic constructs, its abstractions, as possible, because ti has no meaning, no existence, outside if the mind, the minds, that hold it to be "true".
It's appeal is always emotionally grounded, because it lacks any external referent, and so must root itself back in the mind it was projected from - a form of solipsism, dependent on specialized, focused, partial, engagement with world, creating a system of protective institutions, saving the individual from the price of such detachments.
Compartmentalization, schizophrenia, is not only a byproduct, but a necessity, to preserve sanity in a mind that engages reality, in some instances, and then contradicts them in others.

Primary form of self-defense, of "positive" nihilism is duplicity.
Behaving like a virus it attempts to mask itself using the host as a reference, so as to replace world with its own artifices.
Contradicting past is how it reinvents itself, always under new pretexts, new titles, labels, new symbols.
To overturn hierarchies it must overturn meanings, and how the mind relates to world, using the mind's own weakness as its "power".
With no external references it samples from experience recombining abstractions in ways that will offer the most relief, that will seem most familiar.
Its rearrangements expose it to minds not yet integrated into its duplicitous premises. To the rest it appears, at a pleasing substitute to appearances, as a relieving cover, triggering reactions by using words, referring to cultural, emotional imagery.
It's grandiosity, its fantastic, extraordinary essence is proportional to the amount of distress it attempts to manipulate.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:52 pm

Pure Nihilist vs "positive" Nihilist

Pure, or authentic, honest Nihilist, wants to pull the world into his nil state, hoping for a reboot, a restart that will result in a different future for him.
He begins with a naive, child-like, rejection of past, as the sum of all nurturing, or Nature, believing that his appearance, his presence, his current circumstances are the consequence of sociopolitical circumstances which destruction will "correct".
He denies all genetic predisposition for this would expose him to the realization that no matter the circumstances he can only be what he is, and the same relationships will repeat - in other words that the problem is not the world or circumstances, but him, his inheritance, which cannot help but be what it is in relation to other.
The few who do realize this become the purest Nihilists, who seek to pull down the world because of what they are - reduce all to their feebleness, cowardice, inability to overcome.
The first stage of Nihilism is this naive adolescent belief that destruction will be for its own benefit.
A belief expressed through such ideologies as Anarchy, an offshoot of Marxism.

Duplicitous or "positive" Nihilists, having experienced the despair and disillusionment of realizing the absence of the concepts they demanded of world, failing to find them ready made, do what they must to make existence a condition they can endure.
They manufacture what is absent, such as God, universal morality, meaning, in opposition to what is, and then impose it as a fulfillment of what remains lacking.
In other words, they fabricate absolutes, noetic artifices, and then project them as already existing, or as possible.
They then sell these noetic artifices, which contradict world, to those who are unable to do so themselves, or who require an external source to justify them - the weakest of the weak, the most dependent and effete psychologies of all.
Unable to create their own delusions, to contradict a world void of what they desperately need, they attack themselves to a "leader", a priest, shaman, that does the work for them, creating a codependent relationship of master/slave.
Other takes the form of the Divine absolute, the Good, the Positive, filling in what is missing, buy contradicting existence with noetic artifices represented by words, or the WORD.
Both master/slave must buy into the delusion for it to become convincing, and seductive.

Master feeds off the slave's worship, using him as a means towards the absent absolute, and the master is invigorated, inflated, by being such a conduit, in time becoming convinced that he is, indeed, the absent absolute itself.
A dynamic mirroring social behaviour in the wild.
Morality becomes a medium of shared bondage - a behavioral "ought" that differentiates the initiated form the uninitiated, the herd from those not belonging to it.
Such a Nihilistic system of inter-relationships, has on external, objective world to expose it - it exists within its own noetic bubble, reinforced, numerically, with every convert.
Morality is the shared code of exchange, binding the members into a mutual dependency, against all those who deny them or challenge their common ideals, their shared psychosis.
With no external phenomenon to affirm them, but rather a world of (inter)activities, phenomena, contradicting them, the group turns inward, sharing a language uniquely their own, words arranged in nonsensical ways, reflecting their commitment to the extra-ordinary, the super-natural that distinguishes their particular brand of Nihilism from all others.
Sentences need not be rational, but only trigger the emotions, sensations, that reminds them of their common needs.
The outside world is more of a hindrance than a benefit. A source of imagery they can manipulate and rearrange, updating their delusions.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:20 pm

The advantage of Nihilism is numerical - quantities over qualities, exacerbated by absent frontiers.
After generations of uncontrolled, unregulated naturally, reproduction feeding a gluttonous system requiring hands to keep its specialized roles functioning, what is left are genetically unfit heterogeneous populations that have to be controlled and directed.
Nihilism, producing religious, spiritual, nihilism, at first, served as such a function of placating, individuals unable to cope with a reality they would not have survived outside system interventions, evolves into a more viral form by eliminating the still divisive component of God, the the self-sacrifice of faith.
Marxism was a first step towards secularization, drawing form Hellenic sources cosmopolitan attitudes, minus the component of seas as geographical distances.
A Marxist from any place in the world could identify with the victim-status of proletariat, the unfit worker now completely dependent no systemic interventions to survive.
Race, sex, culture, inheritance, genetics, were insignificant within the all-leveling system where utility, service to the whole, was the only distinguishing mark.
Faith in God, converted to loyalty to the State - the masculine component abstracted into an institution which anyone can represent.
Family structures were obsolete, as was the father figure, now taken over by the figurehead, the faceless institution.
With no family the last resistance to assimilation was rendered helpless, inadequate.
Females now belonged to the State, and males were sperm-donors, acting no behalf of the State, who was protector, provider, parent, but not lover.
Female confusion was the outcome - the gene/meme conflict, produced by progress into Nihilism at a pace the body could not adapt to.    

The outcome has been dissatisfied females, unable to understand the source of their unhappiness, and lost males, struggling to adapt to their new role as surrogate females, sperm-donors and eternal beta-males. His only ambition is to raise himself to he status of first representative of the abstract masculine energy - priest, leader, figurehead.
A role demanding duplicity, and a repression of ego the exposure of which would contradict his role.
Female confusion manifesting as a man-child pretense -an immature, boyish insidiousness.
Cynicism is how slip-ups are averted and covered up.
A boyish, adolescent, humour, hiding a sickly stunted psyche, hungry for the absent.

We can place hyper-masculinity, expressed through such venues as art, cRAP, and movies, in the category of spill-over libidinal excess striving to appear as what it can never be.
Nature abhors a vacuum, explaining why in the absence of corporeal males, real flesh and blood men, women express a masculinity they mistake for their own empowerment - safely tucked into institutional roles and norms.
Her submission to the institutionalized masculine is mistaken for their own emerging power. She no demands what she wishes to be identified as, protected by this institutional masculine entity that prevents all challenges to its delusion, its theoretical noetic constructs.
Hyper-Masculine males, like unruly boys coming of age, have no experience with real masculine energy. They imitate what they see on TV, in pop-culture, which is the system displaying its own masculinity, its own abstraction to them - as a method of venting repressed libidinal energies.
We can include pornography in this category.
As a consequence a caricature of masculinity is imitates, as boys always imitate their fathers, and in this case the Institution is the parent.
The process of coming of age, usually meant an overcoming of the father's dominance, but in this case this would entail an usurping of systemic power - revolution.
In more primitive displays, such as those practiced by the Negroes, this leads straight to incarceration, and the myriads of adolescent males worshiping these icons of rebelliousness, which they cannot pull-off themselves.
More muted forms of rebelliousness attempts to reenact coming of age rituals, through art, pretense, acting, imitation.
But lacking the physical component, reality, which in natural circumstances leads to a return to the father as an equal, in Modern circumstances the process cannot be finalized, leaving the boy trapped in adolescence.
The only finalization can be achieved by rising in status to become the representation of this institutionalized masculine energy - reseed only for a tiny fraction of the male population.
Entrapment in puberty is a characteristic of Modern males - men-children.
Like all adolescence resentment towards state power, or the masculine entity, a constant unfulfilled desire to prove himself, remains a constant throughout a modern male's lifetime.
More so with father's that could not inspire their sons, nor intimidate them, as normal part of growing up, and overcoming.
Sub-par males, preserved due to sheltering, and permitted to reproduce, due to the intervention of institutions imposing rules on sexual conduct, and a high price.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:29 pm

Molyneux is an annoying shit, but he, and his mate, Watson, are evidence of how, when the system begins to come apart, weeds pop-up through the fissures, looking for a buck to be made.
Their challenge is to find enough subjects to expose, and be controversial about.
Vultures point to what shows signs of feebleness.
The Protestant/Jewish alliance is showing sings of fatigue.
If Trump keeps his promises his American-style isolationism will rearrange the dynamics across the globe.
Globalism is what is being challenged, and by Globalism we mean Americanism which is this Protestant/Jewish alliance - the victims of Arianism, coming together to degrade, and keep the real enemy down.
I'm not saying Trump is in on this, or that he is no more than a narcissistic turd, but his brand of opportunism, born of the very system he now seeks further validation through, is a witless agency of reactive forces coming together, as a response to the extermination of the European male that is being attempted.      


And if it means the putting to rest these cadavers of past glory, shuffling along pretending to be alive, and human, like modern Greece, then so be it.
If Trump keeps his promises Turkey will soon lay claim to half of the Aegean - if, and when, Trump orders back the 6th fleet Obama sent to signal caution.
And why not, when that country dies when it succumbed to Christianity, and is now tolerating Marxist gits, who lied to gain power, rid themselves of their old ideologues and are now no more than opportunists using populism to manipulates a population of effete, pampered, imbeciles.
A holocaust, black plague style cleansing is in order.
A severe amputation, cutting away, of dead weight, to allow what remains healthy to flourish.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:45 pm

Distancing themselves form their own past is how nihilistic imbeciles put into play their beliefs that they are free of the past, and that all is subjective.
The "magical power of words" finds it apex in this baptismal rite.

The retarded morons actually believe that altering the words, changing names, using different symbols, can detach them form their genetic and memetic heritage.
It's shameless because their target audience are nit-wits, stupider, and more desperate than they are. If they can trick them, then they feel vindicated...and what does it matter if some see them as what they are: desperate, pathetic, cowards, obsessed and forever dependent upon the masses they also detest, and project their weaknesses upon.

What I discovered about Moderns, is how shameless they are.
They use shame and guilt, but are immune to it.
What distinguishes one form the other, is how impervious to shame they are.
They use shame and guilt to exploit and manipulate imbeciles, and feel proud because they, as the secular branch of the dis-ease, are immune to it.
This is what secularization of Nihilism means.
The overcoming of the final limit, the final authority, before which one hold himself accountable.

What's left, after that?
They do not hold themselves accountable to themselves because it's all subjective, so they can easily overcome such external imposed insecurities.
What is left is exploiting shame, and pretense, and lies, as only one who is shameless, pretentious and proudly duplicitous can.
Their only hang-up is being exposed.
They despise having their lies revealed, and only because this minimizes their effect.

The only reason these cowards and feeble-minded hypocrites remained decent, was because of God, or some external authority.
There was no esoteric ideal, no personal principle they held themselves accountable to.
Now that the Totalitarian God is dead, and the authoritarian State failed, as in Marxism, what is left to limit these hypocrites?
Integrity?
It's all subjective, right?

What then...pleasure and pain, no?
Back to the manimal stage.
Regression at work.
Every Dark Age has this period of chaos and mayhem.
It rids itself of the excess sheltering produced.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:41 pm

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Molyneux is an annoying shit, but he, and his mate, Watson, are evidence of how, when the system begins to come apart, weeds pop-up through the fissures, looking for a buck to be made.
Their challenge is to find enough subjects to expose, and be controversial about.
Vultures point to what shows signs of feebleness.
The Protestant/Jewish alliance is showing sings of fatigue.


I agree and after i found this vid I came to other considerations about this observation.



The fact that he reduces himself to the simplicity of these obnoxious low IQ negro women, proves this ulterior motive of superficial ambition to appeal to viewers and extend a wider spectrum of personal popularity and fame for these online intellectuals. That he shows his willingness to engage such idiots like these two yammering monkeys, implies that he is "open-minded" and embraces all 'walks of life'. Another implication of this interview is that simply being a Trump supporter translates into 'good sense' by default, suggesting a blind bias of what is politically right. Notice how he only asks them direct questions and refrains from opining like he normally does when he interacts with someone smarter; which shows his reserved superciliousness to those beneath him. A clear display of his insincerity.

I like Molyneux's interviews because i like listening to the guest speakers when he is not in self-indulgent mode and has discourse. His solo monologue videos are more annoying. All his cutesy one liners and quips and constant comical metaphors get tedious.

There is a new trend of self-righteous Trumpers growing, on par with the anti-Trumpers. The left/right modern alliance culminating into the same secularized peccadillo, leading to the same preservation of intellectual impoverishment. Trump was a phenomenon, that's mainly it. Now we explore why and wait and watch. But these online self-important intellectuals and orators are revealing themselves more and more as naive fools who are caught up in the hubris of feeling victorious against the Left without understanding why, or more importantly, how they differ from the left to have such a feeling of distinction.

Truth is, they are all liberals. They simply vary in degree of their identity of it. But no matter what, they all advocate a level of political correctness and equality, just not as aggressive as the radical Left does. These "Alt-righters" are still part of the same system and their views must be dissected with close attention.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:49 am

Kvasir wrote:
There is a new trend of self-righteous Trumpers growing, on par with the anti-Trumpers. The left/right modern alliance culminating into the same secularized peccadillo, leading to the same preservation of intellectual impoverishment.

I think the disadvantage of having Trump is that now all the liberal conservatives are trying to make the Trump train theirs, just as the Jabberwockies are trying.
But at the end how could it be any other way. The population hasn't changed - It's just the memes which they are exposed to, which might change.
Bringing back the faggot shaming, in other word bringing back an idea of masculinity and then informing this idea of masculinity to be less about liberal qualities.

Trump is Trump. He's a populist who knows how to push people towards being in favour of him and his ideas with various techniques. But, he is also a divider and he pushes some elements further away by deliberately provoking them and not apologising.
I don't see him bending over backwards and changing his ideas or policies because of popular resistance pockets. I see it more as a - "We can all be friends and do what I propose is right."
Ultimately, I think he has his own convictions and he is trying to make them into a reality. I think that he's not as fashy as I'd like him to be but neither is he a cuckservative.

He is not going to change the mental capabilities of his voter base, how critical and aware they can be about their meme consumption. That's to a large extent hardwired. At best they can cultivate a sense of mistrust for certain proven liars who want things which turn out to be unwelcome for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:49 am

Trump is an opportunist and a narcissist.
He sensed a market opportunity in these disenfranchised European males, now threatened with extinction by a memetic dis-ease their won success and dominance, made possible.
He has no principles, no ideals, other than himself and his family, measured in money.

He is a realist, a pragmatist, that has been taught the methods to manipulate reality to gain, from the delusions of others.
I have no doubt he is a racist.
How can he not be?
But he knows how and when to hide it.

Narcissism is a byproduct of the absence of god, the belief ion one, or his replacement with the abstraction of resources, money. Trump is a devoted follower of this new God - a high priest.  
When words replaced deeds, noumena usurped phenomena, as modes of measurement, symbols could be used to compensate for physical, genetic, insecurities, inflating the mind theoretically.
Money is such a symbol, used to cope and correct inherited, genetic feebleness.
Like all symbols it can seduce as a promise, and its range of effect ends where it is not accepted as a method of exchange - or where the symbol has no meaning.
A symbol's range of effect is determined by its popularity, its acceptance and usage as a metaphor - not necessarily consciously.  

Trump has been raised with money as an abstraction he can convert into tangible things, and one he can use to exploit others.
For him all ideas are such abstractions.
This is why he can lie and not feel embarrassed - for him words are used for effect. The effect forces him to change his application, without holding himself accountable to anything but this effect.

Narcissists only hold themselves as the ideal.
All else is there to shamelessly exploit and manipulate at will.
Lying, plagiarizing, corrupting, are all methods he feels no reservation in using.
Even if he is exposed as a liar, he will deny it, because words, like money, are used to manipulate and exploit.
He was swept by repressed energy, leaving a void.
I doubt he thought he would get this far, but as things snowballed he sensed the energy and rode it to the end.
He's an unwilling opportunist, who must now come to terms with his newfound opportunities.
What started as a self-promotion gimmick has now blossomed into new market shares.

He is a wake-up call to the establishment that had become complacent and so arrogant as to not hide itself from those it was lying to.
Pushed into power by angry European males that have been excluded and systematically cleansed, because they refuse to emasculate themselves and become worker-ants, or happy beta males, and women raised by such males, unhappy with their "liberty" and newfound "equality"; females where the conflict between their genetic dispositions trained the nihilistic meme force fed to them daily, erupted.  
But these are a minority, and dwindling in numbers, so the true force that brought Trump to power was Modern men and women being too lazy, too indifferent, to reassured and comparable to care. They did not vote but stayed home sure that Hillary would win with the voting force of faggots, lesbians, transsexuals, effete men-children and the growing masses of "freaks" that are now the staple of all urban environments, from Sacramento to Bangkok.
Freaks do not vote, they complain and they prance, depending on do-gooder liberal types, Marxists calling themselves enlightened Humanists, to do the work for them, and these well-fed ones simply could not believe anyone like Trump could win, so they did not bother to show-up.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:09 am

Let's face it, Trump is a one-term president.
The establishment, living-off the degradation of the masses, feeding off the lies they sell to them, will not make the mistake of underestimating what he represents.
Next election they'll find some wacko Liberal, to bury the European threat under mountains of brown-skinned, orange haired, cock-ringed, nipple-pierced freaks, and the endless numbers of omega males who, now, only have the State to serve and rise to the pinnacle of representation.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:48 am

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is an example of a google "genius".
The goal is to obfuscate and lie, by referring and deferring.
Name dropping so as to insinuate understanding that is absent.
shit-Stain also attempted this when he was cornered on philosophy. He panicked and began surfing the net to find obscure intellectuals to imply knowledge above the average, the common.
Now he's using "I am too mature for this" to do the same.
As if we can forget what he was saying less than a year ago.
A hypocrite adjusts his pretenses when they are discovered.
If you cannot discuss world, or a topic using your own words, and must insinuate understanding you cannot display, then you are a hypocrite and a liar, so insecure and desperate to appear as more than you are, that you use these childish  pretentious methods.

To recognize the type look for signs, such as an inability to discuss a topic, any topic, without referring and deferring to others - if not famous icons, that remain unchallenged, then use obscure minds few have heard about to imply a surpassing.
Shit-Stain could not use the famous icons because there his bullshyte would be easily uncovered by anyone....so he began using these vague intellectuals that supposedly went beyond the usual popular icons....but he could not bring this understanding to bear. He could only imply it and defer to that source, asking the others to do homework. Nobody could challenge his implied understanding until they had read and absorbed the source - he postponed his embarrassment, indefinitely, and until such a challenge could be mounted he enjoyed the unproven declaration of his "genius", as a yet to be challenged possibility.

This usually takes on the form of personality worship....simply mentioning a name being enough to be considered "evidence", or a devastating argument in itself.
Christians usually use Scripture, or say things like "Jesus said...".
More current example of the same duplicity, is the usage of Nietzsche as a "final" argument, evidence that usurps everything presented.
Quoting Nietzsche, for example, as if the quote supports the one using it, or as evidence of superiority - as if the name, by itself, overpowers the participants.
Nietzsche as Jesus icon.
Marxists do the same with the Communist Manifesto, Muslims with the Quran.

These are examples of "philosophy" as a dialogue using proxies, or debating about philosophy, not actually practicing philosophy- world is engaged via a intervening source, a authority, a proxy. Feminine psychology standing behind the "alpha" - daring the challenger to take him down, before she considers questioning her loyalty to him.
Discussing about what others said about world, and not discussing world itself.  
 
Their basic method is to insinuate a deeper understanding by finding the most obscure source, hoping the other has not read it, and then through this to imply that something, about the topic, is known that the other does not know, and claim that this something defeats any argument presented.
It's quite a pathetic method because even if the source has been read, there is no evidence that it has been understood, for if it had the one using it could have presented the understanding as part of his own argument.
The fact that he defers to it, means he is uncertain about his own understanding of the source he provides.

This method also maintain the escape route of plausible deniability.
The hypocrite can claim that he did not say anything, because he doesn't. By insinuating he can deny his full support, if cornered; by using a proxy he can claim that he doesn't agree with the source, the icon, but only mentioned him, only referred to him, or to pats of his thinking.
If the proxy is being defeated, or his own understanding of the proxy exposed as wanting, then he can deny allegiance.
It's a very feminine way of engaging other.
A "formidable" defender is presented, and then placed before the challenger as a representative of the user's own positions.
The challenger must defeat this representation for the user, hiding behind it, to reconsider his tactics. If accomplished the user can claim he, or rather she, was never in full agreement with the representation, the icon, but only mentioned him as part of exploring the issues.

I have notice Americans, in particular, are prone to this kind of grand-standing.

Using obscurity can also serve a different purpose.
By remaining vague, or using reference and deference, one can titter-totter between irrational and rational positions.
He may use irrational, unsubstantiated, supernatural, beliefs and then flee into rationalism, denying that he did so.
He remains eternally misunderstood, claiming he is too "clever", too deep to be understood, when his positions are really simple and based on already used dogmas.
I call this the "Trojan horse" method.
With this method a single or combination of words are used to bridge the rational with heir own irrationality. The word is defined, or places in an strange combination, insinuating depth.
Though it describes something simple it appears complex, by obfuscating and not wanting to clarify.
Clarity would expose its simplicity and baseness.
usually a combination of words is used to integrate an emotional source with a rational one - by placing the words together the synthesis of noumenon/phenomenon is attempted.
If repeated often enough the two words become inseparable in the minds habituated to seeing them together.
Though willing contradicts freedom, independence, emotion
Like free-will. A self-contradicting synthesis of concepts now established as a rational unity.
emotion fills in the contradicting, or missing, connection - it covers it with vagueness that can be then defined in accordance to any need.

Like abstract art...the observer is the one projecting meaning, profundity, in the artist's vagueness, his surreal insinuating presentation.

Let's not forget that this particular American hypocrite, Turd, also claimed to know Greek, and, no less, ancient Greek, and was exposed as a lair.
This is his methodology.
He googles a bunch of synoptic knowledge, skims through it, and then implies he has a understanding of them, or an in-depth reading of them.
The amount of time he spends on-line speaks of a mind completely obsessed and dependent on computer data.
Whatever topic is in question Turd has google to help him pretend he is above them all.
He never actually says anything - he implies, and then finds a way to disconnect and run away - usually with a quip, a joke, some form of redirection.

His attitude toward Nietzsche is evidence of this.
Obscurity is how he ensures he will not be discovered.
His Christian pride is also evidence of his degeneracy.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:22 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is further evidence of the feces now playing Iakob the guru shaman star-chart-reader, giving "readings" using a standardized "authority" manual, which in this case is Jung.
He takes a test, which is really the individual giving us his/her own awareness of self, his own judgment of self, then combines it with what the individual has already exposed about self through his/her actions, to imply, and say nothing.  
This is more of a test on how submissive the test-taker is to authority, and about how this can be exploited to present self as such an authority, or as a representative of it.

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The type is correct, but know your ENFP rating is a auxillary function, not your primary. You are indeed a INFP, it explains your defensive drum music (suppresses the INTJ circuit in right hemisphere) and your attraction to Joker (I also can predict some of your future relationship troubles with him as he grows older and matures, and how this will effect your own personal growth).

Do some research on the behavioralism of the right amygalda. Dats U.

I dissect this piece of...vagueness insinuating itself to greatness.
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The type is correct, but know your ENFP rating is a auxillary function, not your primary.
A seemingly detailed evaluating not really revealing anything. It speaks and the words coming out of its orifice mean nothing, or can mean anything, so, in essence, mean nothing.
How much, how little this "auxiliary" effect becomes something precise about the individual, does not matter, because the more imprecise and insinuating it is, the easier the individual reading this, and all its future behaviors, can be forced to validate it.
In its case the word "auxiliary" is introduced to explain any future discrepancies between what is predicted and what actually occurs - or to explain the contradictions that may rise up at some point.
Like saying...you are masculine with pronounced latent femininity.
It about covers anything you might possibly do.

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 it explains your defensive drum music
Again...nothing of interest....he would have said this, or something similar, no matter what type she scored in, using questions she answered herself.
The tees-teas honour, honesty and self awareness determining the outcome of the test.
Her results based on her evaluations of herself and her behavior, within the contexts of her environment, and her appreciation of it, which becomes the standard, the norm against which she juxtaposes her own preferences, as she understand and is aware of them.  
How could she not find it insightful when she gave the answers?

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(suppresses the INTJ circuit in right hemisphere)
More sophistry, seeming to be saying something profound and yet saying nothing....insinuating.

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and your attraction to Joker
Here we have an example of how the previous can now be coupled with what has already been provided, by the specimen, as insight.
The issue of "attraction" that can be divided into convenience, and opportunity, can also be subdivided into emotional, physical, and intellectual attraction...
In this case past performance, past contact, unknown, by the piece of feces, begins with the given, and then pretends to know it......or to have been predictable.
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I also can predict some of your future relationship troubles with him as he grows older and matures, and how this will effect your own personal growth
Again, insinuation using the techniques tarot card readers use.
He takes an inevitable event, and then implies he can predict, therefore he can correct, or prevent.
If the target "bites" then he will do what they do, and use subtle innuendo to have the target tell him what she wants to hear, or do what they do in star-sign readings, and use vague language, sprinkled with mystical or scientific jargon, implying but never stating, to cover all possible consequences.

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Do some research on the behavioralism of the right amygalda. Dats U.  
....using scientific reference to connect his bullshyte to the establishment.
We see the "talent" of this Turd to imply his own understanding without actually displaying it.
Americans are notorious about their confusion of knowledge with understanding, evidenced by how they repeat education can resolve racial issues, to solve many social issues.
The Turd, being an American mind, falls into this trap....
We see this time and time again, in his data-mining performances.
A few clicks, ten minute skimming, then finding some key words to imply he made an in-depth analysis.  

Again, he says nothing.....nothing precise, clear, straight....he implies, insinuates, name-drops, word-drops, wanting to see what the reaction will be.
I recall how he sued the term κοινέ, Greek for common, to pretend he understood ancient Greek, or how he insinuated that he was "sitting next to a Greek priest", when I started posting in modern Greek slang, which there is no on-line manual for, to see my reaction.  
He's a typical American trash-talking imbecile.
More subtle than the shit-Stain was....because he's older, has been embarrassed before, and honed his game, over the years.
I loved the pics of him eating-out, with carefully positioned electronic device and book.
I needed no Jung Test to see exactly what he was.  All behavior he did not intent to expose what he did not intent exposing - the opposite in fact.

Of course a "reading" of other is about observing him/her over a period of time, to find patterns in behavior. His/Her opinions, what (s)he says is the motive for his/her actions, the intent, is significant but not decisive.
Not only how questions are answered, but the tone, the movements made, the facial expressions, the time duration, rhythm, and so on.

In this Jungian questionnaire the target is asked to offer an opinion of himself, as this compares to the norm in his environment, and his own appreciation of it.
It's an expression of the specimen's character, his social image, as this has been shaped over the years, and says nothing of the underlying personality, which remains hidden.
Of course the specimen will agree with anything that emerges from this test because he is the one telling the test what he thinks of himself, and how this compares to the average.

If psychoanalysis were as easy as filling out a questionnaire it would have been a legitimate science already.

Psychoanalyzing other is about observing a organism, as complex and aware as man, when he does not think he is being observed - preferably invisible, or when he is distracted, or loses control due to emotion of inebriation.
It's about observing him in various environments under various conditions/circumstances.  It's not about what he thinks of himself or what he says, but about what he does not say, and what he refuses to believe about himself.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:15 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is what a hypocrite and imbecile does when he makes a rash choice, pulls a tantrum and then wanting to distance himself from it, runs, making a promise, only to return using a different disguise....he's good at changing names and metaphors to hide the same shit.

This is what shameless looks like.
It must exist as a defensive posture when you're grandiosity, continuously fails to have the impact you think you deserve.
It's victim-psychology on steroid.
Messianic Complex avenging itself no the infidels who denied the third-coming, when it declared itself to be the first.
The problem with repackaged crap is that you need to give the intended market time to forget how it was packaged in the past.
Even idiot humans have a longer memory than goldfish.

The tactic of assimilating the antidote to create a new and improve super-virus, is that the conflict cannot be easily hidden, no matter how many words you juggle.

The problem is that one becomes cocky when he's experiences success among imbeciles and effete, men-children for a while.
One forget the names used to describe him by an old mentor, he so desperately attempts to replace, or the many times he was made to lose control and have temper tantrums, exposing what a infantile psychology hides within all that pretentious crap.

Oh well....let fools be fools.
If not for them, the den of dim-wits would be a total loss.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:24 am

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Th entire forum is full of narcissistic psychotics and retarded over-compensating imbeciles, but this guy is up there at the top of the crazy-heap.
He's completely bonkers.
Well, if crazies, and psychotics, need a place to vent then ILP offers a good service.

Just think of it....these fucks are walking among us and are voting.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:37 pm

The [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of a little boy, dreaming of emancipating himself from a father he never had a chance to overcome.
This level of naivete can only come from a mind born and raised within systems founded no anti-nature, and anti-past dogmas.
From Abrahamism to Marxism, it cultivates men-children, with no understand of life, nor how it functions.
For this man-child "government" should be abolished, which would then require a system of keeping it from returning as it evolved, from how human naturally organize themselves within nature.
for such a man-child, it is a human fabrication, similar to the ideals the chimp wishes away.

Communism failed for the same reason Christianity fails to live up to its own ideals - because it is ignorant, or dismisses nature, cultivating a naive idealism, Nihilism, which, if applied, faces the same inevitable end.
These naive, nit-wits, are clueless about hoe natural selection works, or how evolution produces organizations, or why the human species, like many others, is one dependent on this naturally emerging organizational instincts, now ingrained in the species as social instinct.
The foundational premises, as I've repeated many times, especially when dealing with the chimp, is that, for them, all is a human construct....and since all is such, it can be undone, and it will never trouble mankind again...or that, like in Marxist theory, we can reorganize ourselves using different hierarchies, or eliminate them altogether.
we saw how well it turned out in the soviet union, or anywhere, for that matter, because Communism was never practiced but remained a guiding moral and ideological theory, like Christianity, and all forms of nihilism - theory with no reference to anything outside human minds; perfect, if it remains there and is never attempted within reality, because then it crumbles to pieces, like a child's toy, and the child looks for reasons outside itself, some evil force to blame, and never considers the possibility that the theory was flawed and naive, and its own judgments weak and misguided.

This is the inevitable fate of all noetic constructs, when they detach from their earthly limitations and are inflated, by needy men-children, desperate to rise above the throng, and stand-out, or to fulfill a childhood fantasy of theirs.

Because even in such concepts as nobility, and honour, we must be able to point to a specific behavior, demeanour, that is naturally produced and does not have to be imposed, through training, and performed mechanically.
If we rise about the earth, guided by a idea(l) then we must, still, keep our feet firmly on the ground, and control, not deny, what we've inherited genetically and now wish to place within the restrictions of our own will.
Our courage should be understood as the control of fear, not its absence - out discriminating behaviours should never doubt our internal needs, our trust never deny doubt, our self-restrictions never forget our curiosity, our noetic, subjective, ideals never denounce the objective world, from aesthetics to morality.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:57 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is a low-key tone of the Messianic Complex.
Unlike the bombastic absurdity of an Iakob, maintaining a adolescent exuberance with his unresolved teenage years, this Nihilist is part of the pure, or authentic variant of the same dis-ease.
This type is rare because most of the honest ones take their own life, or live it out in quiet misery, but this one is authentic and dishonest, a hypocrite that wants to avoid self-destruction and pull the entire world down with her.
I met another, like her, Mcmiserable, I called him.
He, like chimp, too afraid to resolve his issues with a world he could not accept, wanted to promote his misery as the only solution to his own predicament.
The chimp is similar, only her tactics involve destroying all meaning, all substance, to then offer salvation as a compromise made among the miserable - pulling down a world she cannot tolerate, nor the possibility that there are those that can - she considers it an affront to her own dilemma, which is final.
Her interest in others is faked, because she intends to deconstruct anything offered, with her usual routine, leaving only one left, her compromise and communal acceptance of our unifying ignorance and frailty.
HaHa does the same only his strategy is to wait for an immanent destruction that he may survive, or perish, happy in the thought that nobody will survive to live out a life he could not handle, or survive and rebuild a "better" alternative to this one.

The common ground is the idea that all concepts are human fabrications - a Marxist ideal, having adapted the Abrahamic one where the constructs were Divinely created.

Chimp wants to "save the world" by destroying it, only to then rescue it from the confused misery it cultivated - Savior, Messiah.

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What I've named "positive" Nihilism cultivates the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. It is the vision of the giver of hope, the saviour, giving of what he found to deal with an indifferent world.
King of the victims, like a Modern-day Superhero: defender of weakness, representative of the ideal that sheltered the wronged, the defeated, the expendable, the ignorant....all will find a place within his loving embrace, for to be human is to stand-up for humanity as God-Father.
With the chimp, in particular, her desperation to find and defeat all who challenge her mission to pull the world down, has created a psychosis that has fabricated, an ideal enemy, which she then imposes on all she comes across who threaten her mission.
If you do not fit into her criteria she will force you to accept her prescribed premised, pull you into her reality where she feels confident she can defeat you, and destroy your confidence, your trust in your own beliefs.
She repeatedly defines this imaginary foe, which may be a real individual, because there are all kinds of insane, imbeciles out there in the world.
I suspect that the caricature is a construct of herself, in the past, explaining why it is so simplistic and insane.
Who begins a though process with "I am rational, I am rational because I hold the ideal" I do not know.
I do know whoever it is he or she is a moron.
My position on the ideal are known, by those with an IQ above 100 and an interest in my views.
I do not believe in absolutes, which would make the ideal a human abstraction....but not all ideals are created equal.
But it does not matter, for the chimp what I actually am saying, but only what she wants me to be saying, to make me easy for her.
In her desperate delusion, not so different from Iakob's or HaHa, or Ecmandu's who is also out there saving mankind, in his own insane Messianic way, she has convinced herself that Heidegger used the concept of Dasein to mean "thrown into society", because what else could world mean, right?
It fits perfectly in her Abrahamic, enlightened to be atheist Marxist tiny ape mind....because there all is a social construct, and world is humanity where the cosmos is created... obviously Shocked ....but I could be wrong, giving my two-cent feigned humility and Wink like a little girl flirting with destiny.

Yes humanity should be overcome, and by humanity I mean this subjectively obsessed, memetic viral infection, passed on, from mind to mind, with the calming intercourse of dialogue.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:25 pm

Google Genius disseminates his sugary regurgitated insights like a child's pez-dispenser, or as a Messiah promises power by channeling it from the obsessive need of it in himself.
Hunger can drive a mind to imagine banquets, shared with those it wants to prove a good host to - theoretical abundance returned as a gesture of resentment.
Generosity of the impoverished, attempting to insinuate great wealth by name-dropping, or mingling with those who have it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:20 pm

It's an outdated method, used by the priestly for centuries.
Imply that you have something, or that you are the conduit, the means towards it, by using words, symbols, and then disseminate it as flattery, or gifts, to the needy, associating yourself with the symbol of the desired.
A marketing ploy.

The only ones vulnerable to such transparent tactics are the obtuse the feeble, and the desperate - the majority born and raised within Modern sheltering, Nihilistic systems.

It's "power through association".

A variance of it is this confusion of knowledge and understanding.
Knowledge as data, symbols, regurgitated memory.
To repeat the words/symbols, to know them, implies the advantage understanding offers.

Understanding being the perception and curate application of patterns within the data/knowledge - meaning.

Nihilists avoid application, or when they do they apply it in theory, not pragmatically, not within a world indifferent to their expectations and desires.
Their "understanding" is forced, when you can connect any piece of data, any abstraction, with any other, particularly when it has the slightest degree of similarity.
Most often what contradictions arise, or cannot be erased are covered over with mystery, ambiguity, or with the forgiving subjectivity of emotion.
If the payback is enough, the needy judgmental mind will forgive any imperfections, sacrificing his reasoning, based on his experiences, for the sake of the desired outcome.
This is hat the Christians call faith: absurdity of the dogmatism ignored, for the sake of attaining salvation, relief. A sacrifice of intelligence, for pleasure, is the mark of a devoted follower, a sign of his willingness to do whatever it takes to remain loyal to the shared objective of release, orgasm.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:34 pm

At this point I'm waiting for the imbecile HaHa to accept the chimp's judgment that I believe in a "wholly determined universe" to "challenge me"....like he did when, affected by the same imbecile, he came here to challenge my "moral objectivity".
This is where being an impressionable imbecile, and a desperate fuck, can make a fool out of you.....over and over again.
There's clueless and then there's CLUELESS.

I've been interpreted as believing in universal morality, that I'm Lyssa, female, that I believe in a determined universe, and that I give a shit.
A crypto-Christian of some sort...no, some kind of U.S. Bible belt neo-con hillbilly.
Most of the idiots are born and raised in the land of the "free" home of the "brave", so I can understand their limitations.
You know, all government is bad, and avoidable, individual is free to decide to be whatever he or she wishes, any limit of this "liberty" is a product of some evil, external will...American crap.
I'm whatever, and whoever, feeble minded nit-wits want me to be, and more.

I've grown. In the past this level of stupidity frustrated me.
I was young and idealistic once.
Now I expect it...I'm, almost, surprised when stupidity fails to be as predictable.

Whoever this theoretical "objectivist" is, he cannot be brighter than the mind that fabricated him, the way he is described.

Imagine that....
We can change nature with a few years of nurturing.
So, we can change a cat into a dog, with tender loving edumucation - magical correction to all human inequalities.
Who would have known that what Darwin was talkin' about was proper training.
'Cause, if I train a chimp to behave like a human, it becomes a human - nurture wins.
This goes back to the confusion concerning knowledge, and understanding.
Proper education equalizes all minds...the myth goes.  
I'm not gonna repeat it here, for the umpteenth time, but it is comforting to believe that nature is not the sum of all nurturing, or, if it is, that a decade or two, of proper social engineering can heal all naturally produced injustices.
Affirmative Action.
It's why Turd dispenses his data, believing it makes him seem smart...you know, as genius as a computer....with a press of a button any piece of information pops up in a millisecond....that's GENIUS!!  

This level of idiocy cannot be rehabilitated.
No amount of nurturing can heal a rift caused by centuries of natural selection, and maintained and exacerbated by generations of sheltering.
There's must too much accumulated crap.

Specimens are living breathing evidence of every hypothesis I've proposed.
I rest my case.

All I can do is "ride the tiger" only I would not honour it with such metaphors.
I ride a bovine herd.....and if they are startled and I slip off their backs they can trample me to death.
They can be dangerous, with their size and stupidity....but one on one they can be handled. It's when they come at you in numbers when you need the proper tool/weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:45 pm

The idea of meme being absolute (politics/indoctrination)…

Assertions become substance, interactions of the 'real world' which to them is the absolute Truth. Noumenal/Phenomenal inversion.
The assumed becomes the noetic, it is the basis for all their interactions. There, in the noetic, they act out and say that the world is what is malleable - instead of their own beliefs.
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Like an electric storm over earth, in which the lightning whines about the ground that 'oppresses' it - so is their commitment to 'equality'.
Every healthy movement, which sustains a natural past, is an offense to its desire to infiltrate nature itself. Every border and limit is an offense to its thunderous tendrils. And just like lightning, they can only strike hotly at singular targets - but manage to make a lot of noise.

The black sun symbol, Pagan, is representative of the negation of this. In the center of the sun is darkness and what is 'expended' around it is light. The darkness in the middle of the sun is less malleable than the light.
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This is also related to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] theory, that the sun at its center is dark but its corona is hot.

In popular culture, Kek abides:
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Then, we compete with the sun. Become darkness so that light moves around us instead of us moving around an-other.

The modern switches between these poles at will - to the degree he switches to light, he switches to dark. Radicalism. And, every time I think of self, I make it larger-than-self and imagine how it would apply to society. As men who might, in cold substance, hammer away at their body; ever folding - heat and light comes from the release of inertia. However, we are a sexual species, and our darkness comes not from ourselves (solo), but from an extension of self that affirms all it can, without losing itself. There is sexual reproduction. The collection of our past is the collection of our substance, our darkness, from which we can lay claim to and thenceforth shed or conduct light.

When the modern confuses darkness for light, it thinks and behaves as if 'progress' is regression.

The equating of intelligence is the equating of light(ning). A vortex of light which acts like its manifestly dark counterpart: the black hole. Sucking the light and life out of everything.
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All that is left is cold body.

Shadow is the absence of light. Where light is absent, inertia appears to persist. Matter.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:02 pm

human protective technologies can shelter a naive idiot, convincing it of its invulnerability, of its surpassing of nature but technologies are the creation of an imperfect organism, and so they can only shelter idiots so much and for so long before the impact of what was avoided hits them hard.

This is one of the collateral effects of human sheltering. It protects populations, intervening upon costs/benefits to the point where ego is inflated and a sense of indestructibility, of being free, infects the mind resulting in arrogant, cynical, with an inflated sense of entitlement, gits.
This is what I mean by perpetual adolescence, and retardation. It's more than just an insult.
This is why I call them men-children.
Born and raised within these protective, controlled, environments, surrounded by human artifices, including human symbols, pushing nature to the periphery, or into fenced-in preserves also highly controlled.....and this produces naivete....a sense of being god.
Subjectivity is the consequence. The idea that you can choose anything and it is no better or worse than any other choice.
And because in these highly controlled and regulated environments you can impose a strict behavioral rule, you can convince the imbeciles within, that all are the same.

To use an extreme example I've used before....it's like when humans take pets, place them in a human environment, highly regulated and controlled by them, putting cats and dogs and birds, all together, and then because, over time, these different animals learn what the human wants and does not want begin to fall into common behavioral patterns.
Then the human will claim that there is no difference between pieces, and that with the right training he can erase the socially fabricated distinction of species.
The human will be convinced that his nurturing healed the animals of their nature.

This is what happens with humans....only the results are more striking because humans have the ability to learn what different species have a varying inferior degree of.


The other thing that happens is that because the environment is dominated by human symbols, human language, and words can effect the only organism that matters within it, the idiots raised within this controlled man-made environment, begin to think of humanity as world, and words as magical forces.
The symbols have no power outside this environment, but the morons are convinced, and their conviction increases with psychosomatic temporary effects, or when the placebo effect makes the brain have an impact on the body.
His own body...human bodies.
Not any other species.
Νow symbols can affect humans sharing the same understanding of them, and because humans are the world, they begin to believe that using words changes the cosmos.
Knowledge = power, conveniently ignoring the use of an agency, a proxy.

This is how Americans convince themselves that whatever discrepancies between races exist they are manmade irregularities that can be corrected with uniform education, leading to uniform actions within controlled highly regulated manmade environments.

Needless to say the idea that all is subjective, gains traction.
All mistakes in judgment can be blamed on something other than self, or corrected by the intervening system, protecting idiots from their own poor judgments.
Like a technological malfunction due to a promiscuous lifestyle.

There's a reason why females are so picky and careful.
Not so when the system steps in to protect them, and their "right" to become as retarded as they want to become.

Like the fool who looses it all on the stock market, and then corrects his own idiocy, his own mistake, by declaring bankruptcy, or the guy who purchases a mansion on a waiters income and then when the economy plummets, he accuses others for his own arrogance.....but do not fear, this idiot can also repeat his idiocy because he can also declare bankruptcy, suffer 7 years and then be free to be as idiotic as he can be.
Poof...erased....a memory soon forgotten.

Why do young girls have the gumption to go out with provocative clothing?
No fear, right?
Why?
Is it because they are strong independent women, expressing themselves freely, because having their tits in full view is a power surge...all the benefits with none of the risks.... or is it because they know there's a system there protecting them from males bigger, faster, stronger than them?
Well, in time, if they continue there will be a cost.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:21 pm

For the lower end of the Modern type, the most retarded, there is nothing beyond absolute one and absolute nil.
So either morality is universal or it is nothing, it is manmade, it is arbitrary.
Either world is absolutely determined, or there is absolute freedom and nothing is determined.
Such simpletons cannot think in degrees, or they refuse to think in those terms, preferring the easy simplicity of their binary system, taken literally.
They can think of no other alternative.

It's like in that example I used before of pets placed within a manmade highly regulated, controlled, monitored, environment.
Now, imagine a human, a bit smarter than a dog or a cat, but not by much.
If you raise such a creature within this sheltered, protective, environment, it begins to believe that all rules are about authority and an external entity enforcing its will.

Anyone that tells it of a world where there is no authority and yet, still, there is regulation.....order. It could not imagine such a thing. It would believe that this person is lying or that this authority minus an organism, is about him....he says so, because such a mind cannot think of any, regulating authority other than a willful one.
It's simple mind, born and raised within manmade controlled systems cannot imagine how such a system would impose a limit to its freedom.
You can teach it about Evolution and how natural selection works, and you can describe judgment and costs/benefits, but its pathetic, tiny mind just cannot understand, or refuses to, wanting to keep its dream of escaping and going outside system to live as anything it wants to be, because nobody would be there to stop it.

Imagine such a creature, born and raised in an environment full of human symbols, where words got things done, enforced the law, imposed will...would not this creature believe words were magical?
Just taking itself as evidence, and how it jumps at the sound of certain sounds in specific sequences, or how a bell ringing makes it salivate....would not its own automatic trained reaction convince it that words intrude into its mind, and force it to do what it does not want to do?
It might imagine words as having some kind of organic substance, that something enters its skull, invades its body, and controls its actions.
Words would be like gods.
Would not, such a creature, begin collecting and storing words. Would it not arrange them in strange, symbolic, ways, to create more powerful effects?
Would not the strangeness, the uncanny-ness, the uniqueness of the arrangement not indicate a secret it knows and nobody else has known?
Can you imagine how powerful such a pathetic, desperate creature would feel, ensconced in its unique arrangement of symbols...and how impotent, and feeble it would be without them?

Would not repeating words, data, knowledge, not be an expression of its power?
Could you imagine how inflated its deflated ego would become?

Now imagine how every time he unleashed the power of his strange arrangement of symbols others, pathetic feeble nit-wits, were affected, and how this effect reinforced his belief in the power of his words.
and, on the off chance, that he attempted to reproduce a similar effect in nature, can you imagine the power of his own convictions, and how his desperation and need, might even make him hallucinate......and experience psychosomatic feedback.
Now, imagine this pathetic creature failing to replicate this initial effect...and how it would turn to chemical inebriation to cloud its senses, and place it in a state of heightened impressionability....how magical the experience would be, for it....how convinced of his secret combination's power....how he would guard it against skeptics.
How it would come up with clever ways to dismiss them, disregard them, ignore them, explain them away.
Imagine how addictive this experience would become for it...unable to cope with mundane existence without this magical effect.
Imagine how many new arrangement would emerge when within this state of paroxysm,..how many new arrangement of symbols would float, as if from nowhere, into its mind. It would feel like it had tapped into a magical vein....the joy, the joy of it!!!

Imagine all that?
No need to....it's happening.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:28 am

You have to be emasculated, and quite a pussy to be in the presence of someone who postures and declares himself "superior", in your presence.
One can tolerate such an obvious animalistic show of dominance, as the product of a fool, but repeated tolerance shows submission, silent agreement.

Idol worship is a young girl's addiction.
Boys are inspired, girls worship.
The propensity to worship idols reveals something innate - an admission of inferiority, a coming to terms with it as an inevitable part of one's spirit.

Real men will have no part in it.
Fools will be torn down, not out of envy, but out of aesthetic taste, unable to tolerate the vulgar and the lie pretending to be the opposite of what it is.
Hellenes worshipped gods with flaws, it took slaves to create a worship of the "perfect".
Slaves who saw in the perfect idol evidence of their feebleness, and only wanted to submit to what they could never be...like all pussies.

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PostSubject: member thankyou note Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:16 pm

I just want to say to Satyr that I am one of the silent members that appreciates your insights.
I have followed you since stumbling upon the ILP site where I came upon your essay "the feminization of mankind"  I found it brilliant.
        That essay and so many other posts have given me explanation and understanding to an extent of our world, society, nature, and human thought and behaviors.
        KT may not be your forum but I am grateful for the lesson/s from it.
     I just wanted you to know of my appreciation and say thank you Satyr.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:40 pm

Pussies are many a times also those corrupt romanticists who mask their hunger for accolades and admiration as their 'good fight'.

Dickheads are many a times those wavering from fighting the real fight when its far more easier to tackle and wrestle with what is loud and familiar, so they never have to go deep into the belly of the monster, into the jaws of death; the faint-of-heart, and the infantile slaves easily pinched by rheality at large.

Such cowardice easily labels all else cowardice.
This is how it Normalizes Its cowardice.

Cowardice only bullies;
the Daring inflict.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:04 pm

tautog wrote:
       I just want to say to Satyr that I am one of the silent members that appreciates your insights.
I have followed you since stumbling upon the ILP site where I came upon your essay "the feminization of mankind"  I found it brilliant.
        That essay and so many other posts have given me explanation and understanding to an extent of our world, society, nature, and human thought and behaviors.
        KT may not be your forum but I am grateful for the lesson/s from it.
     I just wanted you to know of my appreciation and say thank you Satyr.

Thanks....now do your part and spread what you've learned.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:30 pm

An, so, we have it.
A judgment, directed by taste, is not judged subjectively, but objectively by the outcome, measured as cost/benefit, in depth of time, from shallow immediate gratification to deep long-term benefits....and always in relation to an ideal.


So, whereas doing heroin might be immediately gratifying, giving a certain shallow, in time, benefit, its costs will exceed the benefits, in the long-run.
Similarly, denying race may feel good, may abide by popular myths, but the costs in producing an offspring of inferior mental potential will be greater than any immediate benefits.
Then one would demand that the state step-in and decrease this error in judgment, by enforcing strict modes of conduct, and laws enforcing quotas, in the name of artificial equality, so as to decrease the costs to a bad judgment-call, or a bad subjective evaluation of the indifferent world.
Also, suffering some kind of sexual or psychological dysfunction making you prefer obesity to fitness, unhealthy members of the opposite sex, rather than healthy and fertile ones, may gratify a diseased psychology in the short-term, in the immediate, but the costs will be long-term and just as certain.
Also, living a promiscuous lifestyle with the help of technologies invented and made accessible to you, may offer an immediate pleasure, a shallow and certain befit, but the long-term costs, even if the technologies do not fail, will not be evaded.
To, then, demand, that the state enforce laws to decrease the price of your earlier superficial, shallowness, your bad judgments, is to demand that another step in and mitigate between your bad subjective judgments and your present immanent costs...in other words between your subjectivity and the objective reality you failed to adequately understand and appreciate.

I guess we can say that nature is unfair in making females carry a minimal number of ovum, while the male can produce billions of sperm his entire lifetime, and is brutal in making females become pregnant, but to then say that manmade technologies and systems "ought" to step in and offer females the means to pretend to be like males, and to then accuse all those that expose this intervention of being fascists, or of socially fabricating the "unfairness", in simply pathetic.

I say, if we intervene on the consequences to increase the benefits and keep the costs as low as possible, then why would we be surprised when this intervention, like all human interventions, results in pollution, like the freaks now populating our urban environments?
There's a easy way to debunk the mythology of Moderns and their obsession with leveling all judgments down to uniform parity....and that is to deny them the privilege of an intervening force, an institution, to adjust costs/benefits, erasing, once and for all, the delusion of equality.
It would also expose the insanity of claiming gender, race, are manmade, social constructs, because the story of Liberia they can justify away.
If all, for a year, would be forced to accept the fullness of the benefits and the costs of their choices, their judgment calls, the, so called, "debate of nature versus nature would be exposed as another infantile pacifier, men-children, and spoiled brats have been sucking on for decades.

No "I say so"....just deny all any intervention by any institution, any technique/technology not of their own making, forcing them to live with the consequences of their own judgments and tastes and choices.
See how fast they begin whining and crying out for help.

What's tragic, from the perspective of thee brain-dead, nit-wits trying to trick reality with word-games, is that no amount of sheltering can fully adjust cost/benefit.
Human techniques/technologies are simply not sophisticated enough to do more than slightly reduce them, or postpone costs, so as to accentuate immediate benefits - immediate gratification.
Social justice warriors are all about revving up social institutional intervention to further adjust cost/benefits balances on the side of benefits..s, by reducing the costs to being stupid. A demand of parity is this adolescent realization that subjectivity cannot protect you from a world you pretend is not there.
When they speak of "justice" what they mean is to increase social mitigation to create "parity" by further reducing the costs to their  errors in judgment.

This is the current Right/Left divide, as it is presently being played out in the States.
Conservatives are now refusing to make concessions to accommodate the delusions of a growing population of imbeciles and dysfunctional freaks.
institutional equalization is one thing, but to now attempt a linguistic control over thoughts and words, so as to further create the illusion that all are equally and all choices are the same, has gone a bit too far.
At least it is not feasible in the species,a s it presently is. Just as Communism and Christianity fails because it speaks of a species not of this world, or of this world but not this species, so too this Liberal demand simply cannot function in a human species evolved in more dire environments.
Perhaps in a few centuries of social engineering a new breed of "man" will be produced to resemble the ant and the bee more than any mammal.
Until that day they can continue to fantasize and hope.

Day and night dreams are an alternate reality they can enjoy, as they fall deeper and deeper into sleep.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:26 pm

Nature versus Nurture, a modern's handicap wheelchair.

Nature = sum of all past nurturing.
Moderns prefer to believe that in this conflict nature nurture perfectly balance-out.
The more fanatical ones go so far as to dismiss nature altogether, allowing nurture as the only factor determining an individual's essence.

Let's take the first, slightly less insane, proposition.
Are they saying evolution can be halved in a less than a lifetime, making species a generation away from extinction?
Are they saying this only applies to humans because they can learn faster, they can use words, and can pretend to be what they can never be?
If that's the case, why not put our beliefs into practice and dedicate ourselves to recreating the species of homo sapient into something unique ever 2 to 3 generations.
What a naive and charming child's tale.

Here's the thing....one lifetime of training, of nurturing, no matter how intrusive and totalitarian, cannot erase centuries of nurturing. If it were possible all we know of evolution would be useless every century.
We can also train dogs and apes, to a lesser degree, to follow our manmade nurtured behaviours, and the effect would last for less than a lifetime, or as long as there is a human present to reinforce the training.
You can take the boy out of the jungle, but not the jungle out of the boy.

Past is not what happened to us.....it IS us.
It is not gone, left behind, forgotten....it is present, we call it appearance....and ti stares back at us in every reflection, in every (inter)action.
We can be oblivious to it, and it still does not disappear.
The mind may forget and deny, but it cannot escape the body's inability to forget and deny.
This fabricated conflict of nature versus nature is another way of saying mind versus body, spirit versus flesh.
It depends on a substantive separation, where mind is not the product of the body, and spirit is not a reference to a past made flesh.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:52 pm

Free-Will and Determinism
To explain free-will in a way that even a modern moron can slightly understand we must use imagery.

Let us imagine ourselves swimming in a vast ocean with no end, and that in this ocean we are swept forth by a wave.
This ocean and wave is time.

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What is our free-will against the surge of a massive body of water.
We can swim horizontally on the surge, or dive into its depths, or stay on its surface, but we cannot swim contrary to it....reason is that we are also part of the wave and to do so would contradict our existence...but let's not make this too complex for the retards.

From the imagery we can now understand how the past is immutable, and though it is determining, as it is pushing us forward whether we like it, or not, we can adjust ourselves, and our trajectory, relative to its force.
With effort, determined by the power of our will and the aggregate energies it focuses, we can move horizontally on its crest, deeply or on the surface, like a surfer, and that is the next of our will's power.

Will here is mind, aggregate energies is body, which also includes brain of which the mind is but an extension.

To this we must mention chaos, because the imagery fails to incorporate randomness and only represents order, in the form of water.
Things become too complex for retards, so best we keep it as simple as possible, and like most retards only believe in order - primitive minds cling to their primal comprehension, and order is all they can process as existing.

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