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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Jul 11, 2017 3:17 pm

I remember why I only briefly visit ILP and won't stay for long. The level of "philosophy" there is amateur at best, and mediocre normally. Nothing and nobody shines forth. No jewels in the mud, no diamonds in the rough. Much effort is required to pull out of any "thinker" there, any wisdom at all. Perhaps there are a few rounder, smoother stones than others, but nothing lustrous and brilliant.

Any quality that forum has had over the years has already been sucked dry.

I think it is time again, soon, to look for greener pastures.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Aug 01, 2017 2:59 pm

As it pertains to the big-three issues of post-modern idealism (nihilism) - femininity, homosexuality, and race - to begin taking these degenerates seriously, we must say that we do not obsess over these issues, but only use them because they have adopted them as the issues that define their attitude towards the world and existence.
These, detached from reality, minds, must prove themselves worthy of respect, and seriousness, by explaining ...

1- How, given their own positions, species evolve, with no intermediate states (races, breeds, phenotype)...
Did a creator create species?
Did they suddenly emerge, out of nothing, with no gradual states?
Some other absurdity, not rooted in emotional and naive idealism?

How does intelligence evolve?
...if it is evenly distributed and all are born with an equal potential for it, more so, if this is so, why is it even an evolutionary advantage?
Why does appearance matter in all contexts EXCEPT when it comes to humans, where nothing about the book can be determined by its "cover"?
Did our senses evolve to aid us some of the time, and not others, and if so what is the line deterring when appearances matter and when they do not?
Is is social continent, emotion, the title 'human'...some other arbitrary nonsense?

In relation to homosexuality, if sex is not for reproduction, and it is for pleasure....then was the cosmos made for our human pleasures, or do pleasures reflect an evolved function?
Did God, in the end, make the world to satisfy us?
Why do homosexual behaviors only appear in social species? What, additional, functions do they serve, if reproduction is not it?

In relation to Race...
How can species splinter-off, from a common ancestor, into varieties, if no gradual states are accepted as being valid?
If appearance does not expose essence, or inherited potentials, then why do we perceive differences or discriminate? Why would we bother?
What else, other than genetic potential, regarding physical and mental traits, can a species, or any sub-categories, refer to?
If Race is a social construct, then why is species not so...or is it? The former is a sub-division of the latter, or is it also a social construct?
If degenerates cannot offer a plausible, rational, not emotional, explanation then why would we begin to engage them on any serious level?
Would we not be wasting our time on minds that perceive the world through ideology, emotional, and personal gratification?
How can any serious discussion be had with a child, or a schizophrenic, or a mad-man existing in his own private reality?

If something as basic, as common sense, as obvious, as sexual and racial differences is not acknowledged, then how can we proceed further, into what to do or not do about it, or further still towards more intricate and interesting topics?
What serious conversation is possible on the issue of physics with a mind that denies gravity, or the obvious difference between light and dark, hot and cold, and bases his disagreement on declarative dismissals, hear-say, statistics, popularity, or word-games?

The rejection of sexual and racial differences is the social construct.
attempting to make them a social construct, is an attempt to bring them down to the level of absurdity where emotional tactics may hold an advantage.

Social conventions, and the necessities of integrating heterogeneous populations, into stable "wholes" aside...the denial of sexual differences, or specialization, requires a dismissal of a basic component of Evolution Theory.
To deny race is to indirectly deny select portions of Evolution Theory.
If you would outright reject Evolution Theory and expose your roots in Abrahamism and Marxism, it would make you more than just cowards and hypocrites.
But, then...what is the alternative?
Creationism?
A hodge-podge selection of Evolution Theory, based on our preferences, our preferred ideology, our personal interests, our emotions, or well-being?
Using the term "Darwinism" as an insult, like Nazi, or Hitler...without justifications or explanations, is what imbeciles and cowards do.

How does Evolution theory work, if all are born with the same potentials?
I mean, how would the label species even be rational if this were the case?
If environment only affects body, the physical, but has no effect on the mind, on the "spiritual" then why would intelligence be so dominant?
If specialization does not re-appropriate trait energies, developing some more than others, then how does the term 'specialization' even make sense when speaking of species that specialize in niche survival method?
Why do twins, one male and one female, have different heights and muscle masses, if specialization was not a fact....and if it has such obvious physical "injustices", then why would the mind be spared?

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As it was repeated [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]..., and in-line with Bottom<>Up reasoning...Physics, the experienced world, the sensually perceived world, the world we come in contact with through our senses, the world we connect our abstractions to using words/symbols, the world we all share and within which we emerge, before we belong to a culture, the world as it is, not as we like we wish it were, the world we must validate our judgments against, the PHYSICAL, REAL world, outside our brains, is the starting point.
The BOTTOM.
This BOTTOM, starts with us, as dynamic representation of the sum of all past nurturing, in constant movement towards an undisclosed, unfolding future.
We are the product of a continuum - we are the manifestations of a past.
This Bottom, call it, or ignorance, or instinct, or genes, is from where we go upward, metaphorically speaking, towards future - towards ideals - and downward, metaphorically, speaking - towards the sum-total of the unknown past, towards the foundation of our continuum, towards the deep dark past, the unseen, microscopic, the detailed, the submerged, the metaphysics.
This is the part of existence we call order.
That which may be intuited, known, understood, and therefore, symbolized, abstracted, named, conceptualized.

Physics cannot be contradicted by metaphysics, nor contradict ideals.
Past cannot contradiction, presence, appearance, nor can presence contradict future, the objective, the goal.

Therefore, sex, race, everything and anything having to do with the organism in question, cannot contradict past, nor can it be used to contradict the hoped for, the expected, the predicted.
If past/present/future are not aligned, the structure is in disharmony with itself.
The mental model can only survive if it selectively, and willfully chooses to separate the contradicting parts, and use vagueness, insinuations, feelings, to cover them up with jargon, with seduction, with hope mongering.
Such a subjective incoherence will face error after error, mistake after mistake, surprise after surprise, demanding constant corrections, denials, accusations, blaming everything and everyone but the mental model itself, blaming all but the self, attempts to cover them all up with allusions, mystification, obfuscation, defensive ego sheltering, overcompensating self-aggrandizing declarations, word-games.  

Only a protective system can save such minds from the predictably inevitable, so that it can live and die, is complete ignorance, and delusional numbness.
But, what does such a protection cost?
Nothing is for free.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Aug 15, 2017 4:32 pm

The same mistakes about the same subjects are forcing me to repeat myself.

This mistake has to do with Abrahamism, and the Jewish question.
A lot of bullshyte seems to be floating about on both sides, so here's my clarification of my positions on the subject, in brief.


1- Semites are genetic, Jews are memetic.
Not all Semites are Jews and not all Jews are Semites.
Judaism is like Islam and Christianity....an idea, a dogma, a meme.
Christians are not a race, and neither are Muslims.
Semites are part of the Indo-European family, or race.
Semites were like today's Gypsies - outcasts living on the periphery of other tribes.
Not only did they deny a noetic delusion as salvation to other slaves, they were shameless in their willingness to do anything and everything to survive.
They did what nobody was able to lower themselves to do, to earn a living. This brought them wealth and great disrespect.
But they were shameless, having converted shame to guilt, and then constructed Armageddon as an absolution (see 5).  
They've been driven out numerous times, gradually evolving their victim psychology into a religion of inversion (Nihilism) - Judaism


2- Judaism is the mother of both Christianity and Islam.
Judaism developed within Semitic tribes, influenced by their contact with Egyptian and Persian civilization, or memes.
Christianity was produced when Judaism came into contact with Paganism, and in particular Roman and Hellenic memes.
Islam developed from Zoroastrianism and Judaism coming into contact with desert tribes, with their own spiritual traditions.
Contact with Paganism, through Rome and Hellenism, Judaism splintered into three distinct, and often antagonistic types:
1-Spiritual Judaism - Orthodox
2-Political Judaism - Zionism.
3-Cultural Judaism - Marxism, Humanism, Transhumanism etc.

Contact with Judaism produced in Rome Christianity, which later evolved into Humanism and then Marxism etc.


3- Judaism is a mental parasite - a memetic virus, just like Christianity and Islam: these are variations of it.
These variations are adaptations, due to the aforementioned contact with different genetic hosts.
To understand how parasites spread, or behave, study genetic parasites like the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
The Semites were the first hosts infected with this mental virus, or rather they are the host within which this anti-life, anti-nature psychosis morphed into what it is today - the host within which the parasite inverted reality to help the host survive.
Another analogy would be cancer. Cancer develops out of the reproductions of healthy cells, resulting in the host body's eventual death.
Parasite is more precise an analogy, because like the lancet fluke, for instance, the hosts brain is taken over, making the host behave in ways not normal for the particular species - behavior that increases the probability of its own demise.
The parasite is only motivated by its own survival, at the expense of the host's.
Like all mental parasites it is totally noetic,or linguistic, theoretical, symbolic.  


4- Judaism became so seductive to the outcasts in all civilizations that it had to stop proselytizing and became elitist - denying its "salvation" and victim identity to all but the original tribes.
This was the first reason they were hated, feeding into their victim identity - creating their victim identity.
Jesus was a rebel, a threat only to Judaism, not to Rome, because he preached salvation for all slaves belonging to all races and tribes, contradicting Judaisms 'chosen' identity.
As a mental parasite (memetic virus) it can morph into any form, because it is unhindered by natural order, and so its symbolism (metaphors, mysticism) and language is free to synthesize into any form, as long as it remains communicable (viral, infectious), and seductive - able to attract as many minds as possible - popular/populist.
Quantities over Qualities.  


5- As outcast Jews became those who did the jobs, the work, the members of the civilization they coexisted with, did not want to do - all the labour, considered shameful or beneath the lowliest of the low, they did bringing them great wealth.
This willingness to shame themselves to degrade themselves, in order to survive, made them even more undesirable, and yet useful - this increased their wealth.
Eventually this resulted in a self-contradiction, forcing Judaism to turn against itself, or to become secular - changing so as to deal with power that contradicted their victim identity.
They are now known for their duplicity, and double standards, just as all nihilists characterized by self-contradiction, for reasons described elsewhere.
Shamelessness, their willingness to do anything to survive, for survival's sake, made them able to gain wealth and power, that, in time, contradict their victim psychology - resulting in the Jewish Paradox, which manifested in the other two Jewish, secular, types (Zionism and Marxism).  
(see 7)


6- It is to be expected that as outcast and despised, or looked down upon by all tribes - part of their victim identity as the chosen, by their God of gods, to suffer -  that they would help one another when possible, and cooperate with each other, against all tribes, particularly the one they coexisted with.
This is the extent of their conspiratorial nature, multiplied by this wealth their shamelessness provided.
Unlike what the average simpleton thinks, conspiracies do not require the lucid or conscious participation of a close knit clique - although, sometimes, this too is possible.
A conspiracy does not invent, or create, the forces it exploits. It simply manipulates what emerges within the environment.
Therefore, no great secret plan is required....particularly not when dealing with a mental parasite that hijacks a host's will.  
No grand conspiracy, no big pan, required. This is all about the meme producing the kinds of world-views, psychologies, required to propagate itself.


7- Eventually Judaism splintered into three distinct types:
a-Orthodox (spiritual) - true to the original teachings
b- Cultural (Zionism) - attempting to return to being a tribe among tribes.
c- Political (Marxism) - a secularized form of Judaism and Christianity.
This last wants to disappear into a world converted to secular Judaism - postmodernism, Marxism - by eliminating all identifiers, beginning with natural noes, such as race and sex.
They are trying to imitate how Hellenism dominated Rome culturally, memetically, after Rome conquered them, dominating them physically, genetically.  
These three variants are in conflict with each other, as they ascend in power in the west.
Three viral strains competing over which one will infect the same host.  


8- You cannot defeat a memetic virus like Abrahamism....because it identifies with being hated, or victimized, just as it would be useless to hate the flu, or cancer, or insanity.
In medicine one increases the possibilities of remaining healthy, by using preventative measures....because once infected it is more difficult to get well.
Eradicating a virus is impossible. It reemerges when the right conditions permit such dis-eases to reproduce: overpopulation, rampant breeding, imbalance with nature, resource pressures etc.
Like a virus a memetic virus can lie dormant for centuries, before a host comes along.
A memetic virus, such as Abrahamism, spreads using symbols/language - semiotics - passing from mind to mind, because it cannot survive outside minds, or in the world with no host, no proxy.
Preventative measures might be studying the virus you wish to not be infected by, staying away from infected individuals, boosting your autoimmune system by taking care of yourself, and feeding your mind invigorating, nutritious ideas, knowledge, exercise in the Hellenic sense: mind and body askesis or ascetics...and so on.


9- The psychology that produces the nihilistic reaction called Judaism, is in all of us. It is the human mind awakening to a cosmos full of present and immanent threats, uncertainty, producing existential anxiety, insecurity, fear.
Nihilism is the byproduct of human self-consciousness. Judaism is this nihilistic reaction as it developed and was established in the west, due to particular historical circumstances. In the east the very same psychological reaction to world took another form.
Judaism based on its shameless acceptance of its victim status, inverted reality to make its shame into pride, or guilt, which could be denied.
Innocence is the core of Abrahamic psychosis.  
In Christianity is became the notion of 'sin' - primordial guilt. We are ALL guilty of the primordial sin.
To this day guilt is part of the Jewish psychosis, replacing shame.
Guilt is how the victim retains the possibility of innocence.
Guilt is how those who expose Abrahamics are labelled - guilty of hate, of victimizing the eternal victims.
Guilt can deny culpability - shame is what self feels when it becomes aware of itself in relation to others, requiring acceptance and self-development.
Shame forces one to correct self.
Guilt forces one to deny, to lie, to hide.
Guilt implies innocence, as a goal one can achieve through death.
Shame can be erased through life - living, making amends.  
Judaism is the apotheosis of existential angst - modern stereotype of the neurotic Jew.    


10- Judaism may be a part of the genetic type Indo-European, but culturally, memetically, it is an inversion, an antithesis to its principles.
It is inversion (negation) presented as an alternative, so as to cope with a primordial existential anxiety, and the awakening to its own essence its own status within life's hierarchy.
This is what makes it a product of Nihilism, or 'positive nihilism' which projects human fabrications (abstractions, noumena) into world as symbols/words, so as to compensate for their absence - absent absolute.
Whereas nihilism proper, accepts this absence as a universal 'truth' it uses to negate everything, the 'positive nihilist' like Judaism, and Christianity/Islam replaces experiences reality with a 'positive' alternative, justifying it as 'beyond, immanent, future, hidden, complex, mystical.
it's inability to validate its own concepts directly using world, sensually, forces nihilism to seek validation esoterically, where mind can fabricate any 'truth' uninhibited by natural order, and sell it using emotional, and hedonistic justifications.
This is what makes Judaism seductive, and why it had to become elitist, denying its inverting salvation to all but the 'chosen 12-13 Semitic tribes.
Christianity/Islam, and then Marxism, were an overcoming of this Jewish spiritual elitism.
Cross infection converted Judaism into Christianity, by absorbing select part of Hellenism, such as Platonic and Parmenidean philosophy, and Judaism was also affected by this contact with the more cosmopolitan Hellenic spirit, morphing into Marxism, and splintering into the political and social Jewish political and social branches.
Based on this cross-infection a 'bridge synthesis' is attempted to merge or to associate  how the memetic virus morphed by corrupting Hellenism, and how it was affected by this contact, corrupting Judaism.
The similarities between these two corrective effects is where Moderns seek a synthesis, to claim a similarity between contrary memes, Hellenism and Judaism - mixing oil and water.


11- It is this inversion that appeals to the masses and their primordial fear of dying - survival instinct.  
Nihilism is seductive, 'positive', pleasing, because it offers an alternative to a world the majority cannot cope with, and a majority that finds themselves awakening to their own inadequacies, in relation to others; their own inferiority, and status within natural order and social hierarchies.
Nihilism is a quick and easy solution, because it demands no effort, no physical work, but only mental verbal acrobatics and self-deception - faith.
Image a method that provides a solution to each and every individual anxiety, and insecurity.
Such an addictive solution would feel like salvation.
That it was denied to the other tribes, by the Jews was a matter of resentment towards those that had looked down upon them, and had driven them out of their cities for centuries - retribution of the vanquished.
Jesus was an affront to their control over the inverting method. Jesus taught the masses that such inversions did not require an authority, but could be achieved privately, subjectively. No church, no pretests, no talented artistic mediums, and no authority figures were required to give find salvation in inversion, in Nihilistic spirituality.
This was his threat on central authority, which Saul later corrected.
Post-Modernity is the final stage of individual salvation from reality - from nature.
Each individual can find "God" his own personal messiah, on his/her own, by rejecting world and immersing himself in his own private universe - this was the message of the Christ, and he was the first practitioner.
Love was the inter-subjective matrix required to allow each individual to escape reality inward. The method required a protective shield, like a sleeper requires a warm, safe place to surrender to dreams.  
 

 
That's it for now.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Aug 22, 2017 11:30 am

Randomness, is the true definition of chaos...not complexity.
Complexity implies an order not yet discovered, to be found, immanent.
It is another way of describing God...absolute order.
Order in all things - panssychism.
God as omnipresence.

Chaos is not mystical order.
It is its absence.
Order = pattern.
Chaos = randomness.

The cosmos cannot be known entirely.
It is inherently mystifying, so we need not add mystery to it, we must order it, find order in, create order, to oppose increasing chaos.

Pattern = a repeating, consistent,, sequence - vibration, energy. Predictable, reliable,
Disorder, Chaos = a inconsistent sequence - vibration, energy. Unpredictable, unreliable.
Vibrations have a range of oscillation  - tone, and a rhythms, a frequency of oscillation = eidos, kind, particle. Harmony.
How one patterns relates to another is what we call attraction/repulsion, or harmony/disharmony.
Disharmony produces friction, repelling,harmony produces convergence, congruence.  
All patterns relate both as attractors and repellents of one another. This is called (inter)action - FLUX.
No motive, No telos.
No consciousness.

Both patterned and non-patterned vibrations/energies are potentially apparent...they can be perceived, they have presence.
The conscious organism interprets it, using a medium, or directly by interacting with this patterns, or congruence of patterns.
It is a forager of order, because as order itself, as part of an organism, it needs order, to maintain and grow itself.
I've described one way this simple mechanism can evolve into what we call life, here:
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No Deus, no God, no central guiding oneness required.
Trial and Error, over time/space - natural selection, evolution theory applied to inorganic matter/energy.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Aug 22, 2017 12:29 pm

One believes there is order in all...god in all.
He uses science to invent a religion.
The other believes man is god, creator of all order, and so declares self a god, and reality, the world, his own creation. Inviting less creative minds to participate in his delusion, his fabrication.
Seducing them with goods, with flattery, with political acumen.

But randomness, chaos, is the absence of order....and they projecting it, or assuming it, or declaring it their own construct.

There is no ONE (1), and so no need for a nil (0), unless as it is used as a representational tool.
There is no Whole, unless the mind constructs it, abstracts it using minimal sensual input... confusing its own construct, its own representation, for the represented.
There is no absolute, only facts describing relationships of probability.

There is only Interaction & Interpretation.
Superior/inferior understanding, accurate/inaccurate approximation.
There are only patterned energies, and non-patterned energies interacting, and then being trasalted, interpreted by a conscious mind.  
No certainty.
No static, complete, immutable, whole.
No ONE.

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There's something very resilient about stupidity.
Like the cockroach.
It is its own self-defence.
It's effective and this makes it attractive as a method of coping with the real world.

Dealing with stupidity is like dealing with insanity.
There's no common ground to start from.
There's no shared world.
It's all arbitrary.
Subjective.
Defying definitions and reasoning.
The broken mind recedes to protect itself from a cosmos it cannot tolerate.
It's a matter of survival.
Some turn to chemical aids, drugs alcohol, hedonism etc.
Others turn to the absolute, god, one, truth, humanity etc.
And others turn to negation.
They make it all meaningless, senseless, defying explanation.
They take cynicism to its extreme.

When the mind recedes from fluid, uncertain, existence, whether it be into the absolute one, and order, or into the absolute nil, and chaos, it cannot return.
For it it's a a matter of survival.
Everything that confronts its absolutism, challenges its survival instinct.
It is a threat.
To be hated and then accused of hatred.

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From the Abraham triad, through secular humanism, Marxism, and now to Spinozean panpsychism.
Can anyone spot the ...pattern?

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The clever degenerate thinks himself great because he can seduce and manipulate morons, imbeciles and degenerates lower than himself.
He prides himself because he can lie, so well, or convince himself of his own lies to become more convincing to them, or to a higher level of retard.
He, then, resorts to childishness, and narcissism, to enjoy his success.
To validate it, to excuse it.
He must gain something for his loss of dignity and integrity.
What is easy for a degenerate is impossible for a noble spirit.
Not because lying, manipulating, exploiting and seducing inferiority is difficult, but because a noble spirit cannot endure the self-criticism.
A hint as to why these cretins are despised.
it take s a bit longer for the feeble retard to get wind of what is occurring, if it ever does, but for all the rest.

As they say in a Greek parable:
Lies have short legs.
and
Liars and thieves only enjoy the first year.
You cannot lie yourself out of existence.
World, the kosmos, does not succumb to words and manipulation.
It is indifferent, to all such manmade fabrications.

The objective world cares not about all subjective interpretations of it.
Sheltering, a protective system, may protect you...it may even provide a safe-haven for an entire lifetime....but then?
Your legacy shall face the consequences, whether it be a living offspring, or in memory.

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Baby steps, one degenerate moron at a time.
It does not matter how it justifies or explains it to itself, all that matters is that the specimen carries the message (meme) and spreads it in its own simplistic, degenerate way, even if it challenging and attacking it and the one who exposed it to it.

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You seed the target receptive specimen
This may take weeks or years, depending no how brainwashed it is, and how stupid it is.
Then you let it claim the seed as if it were its own sperm...even if this means that you let it think of it as its own creation.
Containing/controlling your own ego, emotion, is paramount. It requires keeping silent as it, the bovine manimal, declares its supremacy and victory over you.
This is its weakness.
Ego, emotion, will have to be used to break through the brainwashing, the memetic integration. It will act as fuel to destroy, to burn through the indoctrination.
More ego and emotion, the greater the raging fire, the pathos.

A cow, a bovine, bull if you will, must be convinced that the plow is something it chose to pull through the fields.

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What is order, defined as complexity, and not chaos, or randomness?
It is the 'from the negative' justification.
What this means is that, there is no evidence that there is no One God, and until there is, we must assume he exist, hidden in our ignorance.

What does the chaos=complexity proposition imply?
That in our inability to perceive order, there lies order hiding, and that we must have faith that one day we shall see it...as one day we shall find god.


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According to a moron on a forum....the fact that we came from Africa, means race si a social construct.
no logic, no reasoning, no arguments, simple retarded declarations.
Let's apply this "thinking".
If we accept this as a given, then the fact that life comes from the earth, and all life comes from the earth, this planet, then all species are a product of culture.

Let's be less severe with the mentally retarded and use another example.
Since chimpanzee come from Africa, and human come from Africa, therefore the division of chimps and humans is a cultural prejudice.

Dear friends.....have we sunk to this level?
Have we?
Are we now degrading to this level of stupidity?

Oh, and on the same den of dim-wits another retard makes a remarkable claim.....one among very many insanity on that particular forum. He says that theism, defined by him, is obsessing over an idea.....so this would include his own AO, or does it also include VO, or shall we include the obsession of absolutes as described in Abrahamism?
When you've constructed an absolute theory, founded no the delusion of an absolute, then absolutes is where you remain.
Absolute insanity.
Call it by any other name....call it Bob.
Call it 'love', as in love ontology....or love affectance.
What does it matter when ti refers to nothing but feelings, little thoughts in little minds, obsessed with being seen, loved, appreciated, acknowledged.

Making grand declarative statements of certainty, of absolute conviction....like the Jihadists.
Theories that leave no doubt, no room for the incomprehensible.  
They declare themselves God, or that they have seen the mind of god and it is 'good'.

So, the only response to a declaration of an absolute, such as God, for example, is not a negation of it, because an atheist is just like a theist.
See, the retards want carte blanche to say and believe whatever the fuck they want.
To declare that they have found a solution to EVERYTHING, to declare themselves gods, anything absurd and delusional, without being forced to deal with being exposed as what they are.
What are atheists who deny the Abrahamic definition of God?
Theists, of course.
What is science that denies the same God?
A religion, of course.
Straight out of the passive-aggressive defensive strategy books.
Don't harp on their delusions, let them declare whatever they like...so they hope.

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How to know when to cut your losses....

Became a member of a new forums named Neosophi...and I posted some of my views, including my metaphysical positions about patterns (inter)acting, at which point one of the other members asked me:
"What tells the patterns to interact?"
I could not believe my eyes...so I let it slide....but the moron asked me again,a s which point I realized I was wasting my time.
Abrahamism is so ingrained in the psychology of the average zombie that he cannot think outside a creator, will, consciousness, directing things.
I wonder if he asks himself...."Who or what tells the moon to rotate around the earth?" or "Who tells water to flow down the mountain side?".
When philosophy includes every and any moron out there, it becomes bogged down by inanities.
It only takes one infant to reduce an adult party to a children's party, full of clowns.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Forums - Page 15 EmptyTue Mar 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Satyr wrote:
one of the other members asked me:
"What tells the patterns to interact?"
Right, every pattern must be an individual unable to be concomitant with another. (/sarcasm)
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Fear not, I have found out who is telling things what to do. Every thing is a god in itself doing its selfie-valuing.
I am the voice in my head telling my body what to do. So it is with every thing.
Gonna upload that voice onto a computer some day, woohoo.


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Satyr wrote:
How to know when to cut your losses....

Became a member of a new forums named Neosophi...and I posted some of my views, including my metaphysical positions about patterns (inter)acting, at which point one of the other members asked me:
"What tells the patterns to interact?"
I could not believe my eyes...so I let it slide....but the moron asked me again,a s which point I realized I was wasting my time.
Abrahamism is so ingrained in the psychology of the average zombie that he cannot think outside a creator, will, consciousness, directing things.
I wonder if he asks himself...."Who or what tells the moon to rotate around the earth?" or "Who tells water to flow down the mountain side?".
When philosophy includes every and any moron out there, it becomes bogged down by inanities.
It only takes one infant to reduce an adult party to a children's party, full of clowns.

Reminds me of what Kvasir recently wrote...
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The Stoics knew more about philosophy than Nietzsche merited them with. It was in spite of their ethical misgivings and preoccupations, that centered them to a clarity of thought process that was built brick by brick. They believed in using principles of conduct as beacons of lucidity to understand as clearly as possible why they needed them, they considered them nature's poles of perception to a higher awareness. Thus, it was their understanding of nature that distinguished them commendably. It was an incompatible relationship. Nietzsche found the chaos in nature, while the Stoics found the order.

I am reminded of what we talked about, those who have order in themselves (Apollonian) will seek and appreciate the Chaotic (Dionysian). Those who lack order, seek the order in other.

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I guess so.
Activity is what a some-thing does....not what it IS......and the question itself is based no a presumption of an external consciousness "telling"....commanding. The question demands to be told what ti has already presumed to be true.
The questioner is an imbecile that cannot understand how activity is pattern.

Who told the Big Bang to happen?

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Impulso Oscuro wrote:
Satyr wrote:
How to know when to cut your losses....

Became a member of a new forums named Neosophi...and I posted some of my views, including my metaphysical positions about patterns (inter)acting, at which point one of the other members asked me:
"What tells the patterns to interact?"
I could not believe my eyes...so I let it slide....but the moron asked me again,a s which point I realized I was wasting my time.
Abrahamism is so ingrained in the psychology of the average zombie that he cannot think outside a creator, will, consciousness, directing things.
I wonder if he asks himself...."Who or what tells the moon to rotate around the earth?" or "Who tells water to flow down the mountain side?".
When philosophy includes every and any moron out there, it becomes bogged down by inanities.
It only takes one infant to reduce an adult party to a children's party, full of clowns.

Reminds me of what Kvasir recently wrote...
Kvasir wrote:
The Stoics knew more about philosophy than Nietzsche merited them with. It was in spite of their ethical misgivings and preoccupations, that centered them to a clarity of thought process that was built brick by brick. They believed in using principles of conduct as beacons of lucidity to understand as clearly as possible why they needed them, they considered them nature's poles of perception to a higher awareness. Thus, it was their understanding of nature that distinguished them commendably. It was an incompatible relationship. Nietzsche found the chaos in nature, while the Stoics found the order.

I am reminded of what we talked about, those who have order in themselves (Apollonian) will seek and appreciate the Chaotic (Dionysian). Those who lack order, seek the order in other.

And for the Apollonian chaos is to be endured...stoically....whereas for the Dionysian chaos is an opportunity to free itself from the determined, and order is an illusory prison.

Hellenic ascetic balance.

But yes...for the Dionysian the Apollonian is an admirable display of control and power, whereas for the Apollonian the Dionysian is charming and dangerous.

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Satyr wrote:
I guess so.
Activity is what a some-thing does....not what it IS......and the question itself is based no a presumption of an external consciousness "telling"....commanding. The question demands to be told what ti has already presumed to be true.  
The questioner is an imbecile that cannot understand how activity is pattern.

Who told the Big Bang to happen?

Not sure if that was directed toward me, but there must always be a willful demand put upon patterns to share natures, an 'oppressor'. Nature/patterns can't be simply shared. The tyranny of 'preposterousness', or declarers of 'common sense' is their disconnect of the aforementioned with the world around them. To put the two together destroys all confidence they have in their absolutist ideals - suddenly 'Good' becomes another pattern with 'ant' or 'rock'. Rationality has been insulted by conflation with faith - and it's reflected by the attitude today by 'intellectuals' who say "rationality is a means/construct of white supremacy". Aye, agreeing for all the wrong reasons.

We observe the hypocrisy when they retreat into 'there is one race, the human race' squawkulations.
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Not sure if that was directed toward me, but there must always be a willful demand put upon patterns to share natures, an 'oppressor'. Nature/patterns can't be simply shared. The tyranny of 'preposterousness', or declarers of 'common sense' is their disconnect of such with the world around them. To put the two together destroys all confidence they have in their absolutist ideals - suddenly 'Good' becomes another pattern with 'ant' or 'rock'. Rationality has been insulted by conflation with faith - and it's reflected by the attitude today by 'intellectuals' who say "rationality is a means/construct of white supremacy". Aye, agreeing for all the wrong reasons.

We observe the hypocrisy when they retreat into 'there is one race, the human race' squawkulations.
To ask what 'told the pattern to interact' is to assume there was a god, or a preexisting will, or that the action is something that happens to some-thing, and it is not the thing itself.

Like in String Theory they ask: what is vibrating?
There is no string....only vibration, so asking that already assumes there is a something that just happens to be vibrating, when all there is is the vibration...no string.

String is necessary to visualize for a species that needs abstractions.

So interaction IS existing.....not existing has the attribute of interacting, and could just as well not interact.
Non-dynamic is non-existence.

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Language introduces that false dichotomy.
"I think therefore I am."
An actor "I" that performs the act "thought", separate.
As opposed to "cogito ergo sum", thought therefore existence. The actor and the act are not separate, they are the same phenomenon.

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Exactly.

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Saul, a.k.a. Apostle Paul, warped Jesus' teachings to create Judaism for the Pagans, we now know as Christianity.
The other Saul, Ollie, is the wannabe apostle, who wishes to warp Nietzsche's teachings to create a Pagan version more friendly to the Jews. We uses the directions of his new mentor Strauss.
Nietzsche critique of Christianity implied a threat to Abrahamism, in general.
A reinterpretation, equal to the one the original Saul fabricated, is now in the works.
But these are not the same times.....not as many illiterate slaves about, open to anything that offers salvation.
There are the already primed by generations of brainwashing masses, and preaching to this choir will produce an effect.
We can see the parallels as Christianity spread as Rome declined...and we are in a period of western decline.
A New Age Christianity....synthesizing a Jewish interpretation of Nietzsche to integrate his threat into the final, new and improved, product is ambitious, even if ignoble and degrading.

Nietzsche's anti-antisemitism should be approached from the vantage point of feeding into the cult of victim-hood by victimizing it....as a self-defeating practice.
You do not hate the scorpion for being what it is, biting the fox that helps it cross the river.
You do not hate someone, or something, for being what it can only be, and nothing more.
You do not hate a virus, a parasite, for being what it is.
You study it to understand its nature, and through understanding you become immunized to its threat.
You do not try to save all possible victims of this dis-ease.....but you let nature take its course, cleansing the population of those who are naturally vulnerable to parasites. To do otherwise is to condemn future generations to a harsher corrective cleansing, as the one presently underway.

When a civilization, even one representing a culture of not culture (nihilistic), begins to decline, the latent, repressed accumulated mutations emerge, like a deluge. Urban squares, where populations amass, are filled with insanity, messiahs, prophets, snakeoil salesmen, feeding on the multitudes of lost, desperate, degenerates the dying culture produced when it was still young and virile.
There will always be a 'patient x' to infect the masses with a particular strain.
It's part of life...this degradation as old age weakens a once fit organism, making it vulnerable to what was once nothing too great for it to handle.
An old man can die of the simple flu virus, when his autoimmune system is made feeble, as irrationality can infect a mind that once was immune to superposition, and old wives tales.
Culture declines and desperation rises....the dying grasps at anything, a drowning man grasps his own hair, trying to pull himself out of the water.
That's when the charlatans emerge selling hope, and contradictions are ignored by need.

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One guy wants to escape human systems, the other wants to escape inhuman existence....one finds in the other a kindred spirit that comes into conflict when the latter proposes an alternate, more humane, reality to the former who is unable to stomach all human authority.

Realism conflicting with Idealism.

The former, having made a mess of his life, still retains the honesty to not submit to the latter's superstitious corrections.
It's like watching a woman trying to seduce a man who has fallen victim to his own sexual urges and is now weary of all sexual advances, despite his inner longing.

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Shapes, like squares, circles, are like numbers, one, nil....idea(l)s existing in the head and representing the way in which the human mind processes data.
There are no squares in the world, only in the mind referring to a human perspective.

The idea in the mind can be externalized using a medium like metal, stone, but the forms we give the medium are not exactly like the theoretical idea(l) in the mind - platonic ideals.
The idea(l) is 'perfect, the application is approximate.
There is no perfect form outside the mind because there is no line....

Line is also a theoretical concept. The shortest distance between two points...also theoretical.
If we draw a line on a [piece of paper, externalizing the idea using the mediums of ink and paper, from our perspective it is perfect....but if we could focus the ling disappears, first into a jagged, not straight, form and then into smaller multiple ink points participating in the larger point on the paper.
Therefore the point is a matter of a particular distance - a perspective.    

These paradoxes are the consequence of idea(l)s being mistaken as anything but representations of the real.
Linguistic conundrums are the result of mistaking abstractions, in the mind, for phenomena in the world.

In mathematics fractions are used to deal with the ideal/real contradictions.



Language, which math and geometry are, approximate the real by converting it to an abstraction.
It is useful because then man can externalize the process using a different medium and construct technologies that correspond to biological processes.
There is no 'point', no 'line' no 'rectangle', and no 'one', in the real world. These are idea(l)s.
Abstractions that may or may not refer to phenomena.

Shapes, therefore, are theoretical abstractions, idea(l) approximating three dimensional space/time.
But space/time may have many more dimensions.
Since the idea(l) only exists in the mind as a vague approximation it can be evaluated differently, depending no what measuring standard we use...and if the measurement is not applied (remains theoretical) then it is just as good as any other...it remains 'perfect'.
Vagueness is how the divine, the absolute...the perfect is constructed.

Application of the approximation, such as by building a house using our measuring standard of geometry and the metric system, will determine the accuracy, the precision of the approximation....which is never absolutely so.

But if we take the shapes and numbers literally, and not figuratively, we can self-confuse, or produce linguistic paradoxes.....which logic attempted to clarify.
Logic was invented to discipline the mind's theories.....when the abstraction is not applied and remains an idea(l).
If applied the world is the arbiter, but when ti remains a theory the mind can go crazy, because it is not limited by natural order.
Logic Laws attempted to inhibit the mind's creativity, so that it may not go crazy with it.
But the laws themselves are human constructs so, no matter how good they are, they still can produce self-referential paradoxes

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