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PostSubject: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:26 pm

I began writing this in General News Thread after reading the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Jarno posted but decided to create a new thread to avoid cluttering the news thread with text and invite others to post their opinions as I'm interested in the opinions of more experienced, mature, and informed members here.

Plato said something along the lines of 'People have exactly the kind of government they deserve' and I wholeheartedly agree with him on that. There may be some individuals who are trying to make radical changes and with whom I'd sympathize, but most people deserve what they get for being ignorant, naive and apathetic. The Magyar people got what they wanted by threatening the government with actual riots and violent protests unless they do something about immigration, no? Why do other European countries not do the same thing? Because they lack the boldness to do so, and so we are paying the price for our cowardice. So I don't feel the least sorry when I hear these sad little stories about 'Western women assaulted by evil Muslim', such stories are merely cute propaganda to emotionally sway those who are still deluded about Muslims and think they are harmless. It won't affect the reality of the situation, it only points it out.

The woman and her friends went through a crowd of Muslims and they got groped? What the fuck did they expect? They should consider themselves lucky the Muslims haven't stopped them, stripped them, and raped them. These women demand equal rights and freedoms as men, yet they don't take any responsibility for their actions. If your town is populated by Muslims, or if Muslims are currently staying in your town, you don't go anywhere alone or in small groups, and if you have to you bring a weapon. Going through a crowd of Muslims and expecting not to be groped is like going through the wolf cage and then bitching and crying how wolves are mean, how they growl and try to bite you and only see you as dinner. It means you're an idiot unaware of what wolves/Muslims are, an infantile mind that should be governed, directed, and protected from its own naivety and stupidity by a responsible adult, and that you don't deserve equal rights and freedoms as men if you aren't willing to take responsibility but instead complain like a child.

But it's not really the fault of the women, us European men are to blame for everything, we are responsible for everything, and I'm not being sarcastic. If men, who are usually 45-50% of the population, decide to overtake the government and institute a patriarchy, WHAT THE FUCK could the women do? Women have no actual power, the power they have is illusory, it is secured by other men (police and military) by threatening the remaining men with physical force and imprisonment. Women aren't as strong as men, aren't fast as men, aren't as intelligent as men, aren't as rational as men and when it comes to warfare and combat they are inferior in every aspect, physical as well as mental. Men hold all the real power, women are as powerful as men allow them to be. If changes are to happen, REAL changes and not little elections and similar political masturbation, MEN have to do it themselves, and by force. If Western men took their balls back, I believe that women would follow, and those that wouldn't follow and who would still side with Muslims, would be appropriately deported to their beloved Muslims where they can happily co-exist  Twisted Evil . If they don't want to be deported, then they could stay under the condition they shut the fuck up.


Solution? What has been proposed by many.
Take away the woman's ability to vote. I propose two additional conditions for obtaining voting rights:

1) IQ of 110-115 and higher
2) An obligatory test of a man's knowledge of politics, economics, and history, focusing on what kind of politics/economics have in history contributed to nations falling, and which kind contributed to nations rising and advancing

This right to vote would NEVER be returned back to women by law, and any attempt by marxists, feminists, and other douchebags to infiltrate the academia and/or change the laws would be stopped in its roots because it'd be illegal/unconstitutional, whatever.

Aside from that, women would be allowed the same academic opportunities, but they wouldn't get pushed where they don't belong, and they would be encouraged in more feminine roles, not forced/pushed, just encouraged - they could still choose masculine ones but they have to meet the same standards as men.

The family unit would be revived by giving men the authority in the family. It would be further promoted by giving certain advantages to people who choose to have families and children, and taxing higher those who choose not to - it only makes sense, since the country needs children and so having children has to be encouraged and rewarded, while not having children has to be discouraged and punished.

I have to go so I'll stop here for now, and since I have very little knowledge on facts (by that, I mean numbers, statistics) of immigration I won't pretend I can make an accurate, precise prediction of what will follow.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:39 pm

I used to be of the opinion that the entire Middle-East should have been nuked to oblivion. But perhaps it is better to hope the West doesn't use nukes.

The European countries have become spoiled and decadent... it would be unnatural to preserve the current status quo and save the many, the masses who are unworthy and products of sheltering by using technology that only a very tiny minority came up with and understands.

Rather, this external threat should be understood as a challenge, a common enemy that will unite Europe and wake it from its decadent slumber.
Predators and prey live in harmony - the prey filters out the unfit predators by not getting caught and thus denying the predator nutritional sustenance, and the predators filter out the unfit prey by focusing on the weakest, slowest members of the herd when trying to make a kill.
Muslims who have infiltrated Europe act as a natural filtering mechanism and filter out the unaware, the ones who don't perceive them for what they are.
The stronger they get, the stronger the European retaliation will be when it finally arrives, and the lower we fall the higher we will rise.

So when there is a gay parade and Muslim extremists turn up with AK-47s, we don't intervene, we let nature take its course and do the 'dirty' work.
Then when the gay community accuses Muslims of being 'homophobic', we can accuse the gay community of being 'Islamophobic', use their strategies against them.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:46 pm

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Plato said something along the lines of 'People have exactly the kind of government they deserve' and I wholeheartedly agree with him on that.

Depends on what ‘deserve’ means.
We always get what we deserve in the sense that whatever happens happens (and I don’t mean that in the things happen arbitrarily sense).
But deserve has to me this ring of somebody serving up people’s fate or deserve measured according to some ideal which I think is not the case.


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The woman and her friends went through a crowd of Muslims and they got groped? What the fuck did they expect? They should consider themselves lucky the Muslims haven't stopped them, stripped them, and raped them. These women demand equal rights and freedoms as men, yet they don't take any responsibility for their actions.

As I understand it, they were getting out of their train and those Muslims had created a long corridor for them to walk through (the only way, besides reentering the train) and then started groping them and tearing their clothes off, the clothes of the women at least.
When that news gets out people will probably be more careful next time around Muslims but I suspect a lot of young Germans have had it put in their head that it’s crime-think to even consider not going near some Muslim or a group of Muslims, they consider such a thought and the fear and apprehension to be wrong-think and wrong-feel.

Actually, that is ‘good’ soldier material. Follow your orders even if it means danger or death. If a society is to operate on a scale and have that kind of dominant success as have had European nations then that kind of Kadavergehorsam (cadaver-obedience) seems to be a prerequisite.

Europe will be burning, even more so. The question is if enough people will turn away in time and not fuel the fire by burning themselves, by sacrificing themselves for the destructive ideals that are prevalent and killing themselves and the other Europeans with it along the way.


AoC wrote:
1) IQ of 110-115 and higher
2) An obligatory test of a man's knowledge of politics, economics, and history, focusing on what kind of politics/economics have in history contributed to nations falling, and which kind contributed to nations rising and advancing

IQ is fine but without courage very intelligent people are often major league faggots.
I think the Timocracy proposed by Satyr holds very good ideas.

LARPing here -
As a general rule of thumb voting should be restricted to men, men with a certain kind of maturity.
Those men should at least be beyond the acceptance of ideologies for acceptance sake.
So they need a sense of truth, a desire for truth, and they need to be able to apply this to the world.
So they need to be able to organise themselves and others to productive and wholesome ends. And what is wholesome is found to at least some degree in a communal sense of aesthetics and sensibilities.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:06 pm

Hmm, regarding voting rights the 3rd prerequisite for voting rights should be that a man must have served in the military or at least went through stern military training... that should filter out the large majority of the faggots and cowards.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:29 pm

We are already beyond ''peace'', the infra-structures are about to collapse, aging, White women as trophies, seen as prostitutes owned by mongrels and a shortage of women as in Germany in 4 years the non-Whites of age 20-30 will be the majority in their age demographics, they did not bring women with them because mongrels are cowards, liars and abusers.

It is in the mongrel nature to abuse women, they are the product of mistreatment against women from their fathers and ancestors as they all are products of rape and market selection - resulting in the most worthless ''men'' you can imagine. Fat, dumb, impulsive, sugar-loving, base mongrel filth daring to talk about our louzy women while their's are filth themselves with their twerking in mosques, anal obsession, big-mouthed dick sucking whore lips and lack of initiative.

Organized politics are over, talking is done, long years of collapse and violence is awaiting us, with so much splintering in ideals and peoples (4+ generations of miscegenation where you can't notice all the mongrels anymore) and now this.

It is good actually, just imagine if it would have continued another 30 years with ''slow integration'', or peaceful Chinese dog (b)eaters, easy to be tolerated in accordance to ideals, that would have meant the end; but a sudden wave of change, violence, out-breeding, hatred etc., this is a chance for a good start to invert back to our roots over the centuries of warfare, massacre and culling that is awaiting us.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:00 pm

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As I understand it, they were getting out of their train and those Muslims had created a long corridor for them to walk through (the only way, besides reentering the train) and then started groping them and tearing their clothes off, the clothes of the women at least.
When that news gets out people will probably be more careful next time around Muslims but I suspect a lot of young Germans have had it put in their head that it’s crime-think to even consider not going near some Muslim or a group of Muslims, they consider such a thought and the fear and apprehension to be wrong-think and wrong-feel.

Have you read anything about what the German men did? Or were there only women on the train? The logistics of it don't make sense. Nearly 100 women assaulted and they what, shrug it off as soon as they get through that corridor of Muslims...They don't go screaming for help from the nearest German males? Or maybe only a few were assaulted at a time, and they just got lost in the larger crowd...But still, you'd think immediate action would be taken by the police as soon as the first complaint was received. No CCTV footage either, conveniently (Get people riled up with the cover up, but not as riled up as if they had seen the footage).
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:57 am

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"So I don't feel the least sorry when I hear these sad little stories about 'Western women assaulted by evil Muslim', such stories are merely cute propaganda to emotionally sway those who are still deluded about Muslims and think they are harmless. "

Yes, I have always felt the same even though I post a lot these kind of news.

I am kind of bitter because I have talked about these things for like 5-6 years what was happening all over Europe and population replacement predictions/birthrates of Europe and nobody listened back then, but now you can pretty much talk "racist" in public without "upsetting" anyone. I get pissed off when people in general comment to these news that " this is what the religion of peace is doing to Europe " or "this is what Muslims are like! " because it's not the religion that's the problem, it's these mongrel people with rotten blood that have descended from brutal rape...Let's say if everyone in my country was Muslims, but they all were natives they wouldn't still act like this, forming thousand people rape legions. So these idiots still think if only these Muslims had integrated and left Islam this wouldn't have happened. Integration always means miscegenation so would these people really want these people to adapt to their culture and marry their daughters.

There is a lot of conversation about these news everywhere and sometimes I write a very long and detailed comments explaining whats the real problem and solution, but then I hesitate to post that comment because I think "why bother" , these people don't deserve to even read it because they wouldn't understand it. If someone writes a comment like "MUSLIMS OUT" you can tell these people have not been thinking about this very much, these people think that everything was fine before mass immigration began.

So let's say if government decided to deport all the refugees next week, the majority of people would just forget about it after few weeks. These people don't see anything wrong with their modern societies and hold their "western democracy" as sacred.


My solution:
1) Civil war
2) Dividing the countries in two
3) New flag and new founding principles/laws

For example I don't myself identify with modern Finns anymore, the culture has been Americanized/feminized and the flag has been defiled so badly that it doesn't represent anything sacred to me anymore so I believe that everything would need to start over, these descendants of war veterans think that they can live up to the legacy of their grandparents forever and ignore all the struggle and bloodshed themselves (my grandfather fought 6 years in a war), I think that is really pathetic and I see it all the time. Finnish nationalism is really retarded and it's narrow-minded and there is nothing spiritual in it (unlike national socialism), it plays in the hand of the bourgeois.

I am nowadays very leaned towards the east, since I don't identify with Finn-Swedes, you know Finn-Swedes tend to be similar here as they are in Sweden, very liberal.

There are so many Finn-Swedes similar to this. Police Sergeant who investigates crime,Thomas Elfgren, who has adopted these blacks when they were children:
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:05 am

OhFortunae wrote:
We are already beyond ''peace'', the infra-structures are about to collapse, aging, White women as trophies, seen as prostitutes owned by mongrels and a shortage of women as in Germany in 4 years the non-Whites of age 20-30 will be the majority in their age demographics, they did not bring women with them because mongrels are cowards, liars and abusers.

Trophy is a great description
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:35 am

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Have you read anything about what the German men did? Or were there only women on the train? The logistics of it don't make sense. Nearly 100 women assaulted and they what, shrug it off as soon as they get through that corridor of Muslims...They don't go screaming for help from the nearest German males? Or maybe only a few were assaulted at a time, and they just got lost in the larger crowd...But still, you'd think immediate action would be taken by the police as soon as the first complaint was received. No CCTV footage either, conveniently (Get people riled up with the cover up, but not as riled up as if they had seen the footage).

About the police -
Besides the news, I have heard from one account that when locals are being harassed the police doesn't do anything about the complaint. Furthermore the foreigners in general seem to become more bold because police is not being very tough on them and they have already been prone to form kind of gangs before that so that's making them even more confident.
Another hearsay account from a police officer suggests that they are not allowed to speak about incidents at the migration camps which would contradict the narrative. What's a good soldier gonna do except follow orders...

About the train station incident, apparently there were 'hundreds' of those Muslims there. I don't know if it were hundreds but I guess it was more than 50. The one story I read about it was based on the witness account of one of the girls which was being groped. She said that her and maybe two or three other girls and a boyfriend of one of the girls were leaving the train. When the groping started, they tried to get through and out of that situation as quickly as possible. They then went to the police station where she also saw other girls with their skirts and underwear being torn/half-torn off.
I assume the police did nothing.

First of all because they probably have their orders and secondly because a lot of them are probably cowards who are used to having the numerical advantage.
But even if they were motivated, they would probably get into serious trouble because they would have to use an amount of force which would be decried as police brutality by talmud-vision and new-jerusalem-papers. For that prosecution they would suddenly have the resources. European man has long been trapped in his own institutions, it's just that it's now becoming blatantly obvious what shit has been floating to the top of those institutions.

As for German men not helping, I think that's in part cowardice but also, society is not organised or mentally prepared to deal with this. You'd have to organise larger groups of men who know where to call for backup and you would need to carry weapons. And both those things are not established, not even allowed. There are some lone-wolf types and there are mostly soldier types and those soldier types are following the institutions, no matter who's controlling those.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:37 am

@Arbi,

Do not be fooled by the 'people's power' and Orban's leadership; imagine if this was a fight against conservative J.-Xt., you think the people's protests would have any power? I think not. Its a 'crusade' against Islam in an opportuned moment of 'anti-immigration'. It works to our advantage, but that isn't a true Europeanism from a pagan perspective.

Taking away voting rights from women is becoming Islamic yourself. That kind of crude patriarchy will not have enduring changes. Nothing more powerful than an awakening that happens from within; where even the most bleeding heart libs cannot deny what they see in front of their eyes. The whole world is watching. Spam and Troll media working in opposition to commonwealth interests, and passing off "opinions" instead of reporting pure facts need to be shut down first. All media should be Enforced to maintain some standards and rise to credibility. Making men and women aware of events just as they are should be the first move. Indirect pressure of discouraging women marrying lowlives and half-breeds could be dealt with through lack of some favourable incentives. We want to breed the spirit upwards, not tame it down through strait-jackets. Man and woman must feel proud of each other, obligated from a sense of duty and purpose,,, not fear and hopelessness. That purpose must be so lofty, true, ennobling, one would want to rise upto it. Such standards must apply equally to men and women. If the outer bulwark is clear, the local ambitions of this or that can be laxed. IQs guarantee nothing. A man of high IQ and "faith" towards the wrong values is more of a threat than one of a low IQ and heart in the right place. Rape should be severely criminalized for the rapist as much as abortion laws be allowed only for medical and criminal rape cases. This way, both genders take responsibility for how they act and who they engage with.
And the mongrels did not bring their women with them, because they are "breeders" churning out more mongrels staying back, and sending a second wave of refugees in the next cycle.

Meanwhile what does one do with these sheep-brains? Given their 'enthusiasm' for their nasty and cheap violence, a smart politician would use such criminals and base animals to be deployed back into the foreign army. This would discourage their attempts at entering, and the ones who have already entered from being and behaving like thugs. There should be an exchange program for every thug let in, ten marxist professors get deported to preach their marxism in the mongrel nations they sympathize with, instead of from the comfort of their arm-chairs in a safe nation. This way, one puts a cap on the spread of cultural marxism.
Politics has to stop being a catering business to make aliens "feel at home" - lowering standards of native identity to accomodate the other, in the Farce of "diversity". And that cant happen as long as the idiocy of J.-Xt. committed to the realization of "paradise on earth and equal brotherhood" isn't shown as the bollox of some crazy rabbinical/popal lie and self-hatred.

Liberal democracy is an easy target, and so there is a window of opportunity here for a true European leadership, because if this hole is closed by Christendom or another Crusader Putin coming to power, it wont be as easy to knock down as the liberals of today and their stupidity that is apparent for all to see..., but I think it will be a long haul and another generation before there is a sign of any pagan leader with a spine to say Yes and No.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:16 am

A woman's (or man's) voice will be heard with her having a vote or not, the only difference is that she has to appeal to a certain kind of quality, influence a certain standard and not the lowest common denominator.

Woman will lift up herself and the quality of her offspring when appealing to numbers, to multiple suitors, to all men (and women) is not how she gains power.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:47 am

That photo with the police sergeant and his adopted house negroes really resembles the upbringing of ''cute lil' niglets'' into full-grown niggers ready to bite the feeder's hands.

Lyssa wrote:
And the mongrels did not bring their women with them, because they are "breeders" churning out more mongrels staying back, and sending a second wave of refugees in the next cycle.

I think you have just exposed a phenomenal cycle but not just ''by staying back''.
Those tranny-mongrels don't need wives and motherhood of traditions, they just grab it and abuse the women and think they already have our women as property.

They are breeders, and with whatever they breed, another tranny comes out from it.

Should make a short movie: ''The Return of the Tranny (mongrel) - the Cycle Continues''.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:43 am

I think its in the transparency of freedom that women can come to see for themselves where they stand and their potential relative to men - such truths need to come out in the open sight of all, so that no more excuses can be pointed as "male privilege" here or there or anywhere, and hiding in them. Putting them in place only will only fuel more victim complex and more nihilistic feminism.

In front of a higher order, women naturally become cooperative and know their place; enforcing a policy to 'put them in place' is punishing them for their nature. They are natural samplers, and if you stiffle that, you also take away the quality of men. Taking away voting rights from them so blatantly as that has all the probability of leading to a psychological asymmetry of bringing out more male children in that society than female children, leading to a gender imbalance that will force men to import women into that society. This has happened in many parts of third world countries.
In any case, as long as one is still in the appearance of an operating 'democracy', the onus should be in raising competitive health by presenting two or more viable candidates [standards], and letting women to vote in full confidence, than negating them. A society without goodwill may grow, but it cannot evolve.

What needs to be policed is limitations of men or women wanting to claim equal validity for their 'anything goes' or presenting that as the ideal standard.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:01 am

So European Man needs to disarm himself in this social war and take the 'high' road.
Then and only then will European Woman see his true worth.
When all his 'male privilege' is revoked and through social policy and degrading narrative he will be at the bottom of the social pyramide (even more than the average already is, what keeps him afloat is his superior job performance but even that is being chipped away at through policies) then woman will see him for this high quality mate that he is.
Yeah, I don't think so.

Women love to love a winner and they love to hate a loser.
European man is losing and is weak and so they love to hate him.
Doesn't matter why he is losing and who and what factors are behind it, at the end of the day he is losing. He's losing because he is taking the 'high' road, in this case it means self-defeating, self-denying ideals.
Sure, it's not everything, there are other sensibilities as well but it's a big chunk.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:05 am

My impression was politics was always male oriented and is today. It is the fight of males over the females and a security of their own genetic heritage. The reason why men vote and women did not is because the males were who warred with each other and competed. It was an alliance between men - making them all equal in voice - that allowed a vast civilization to develop. Women certainly have a place in politics - but it is with their families - their voice is heard through their father or husband. I am not saying females cannot provide valuable contribution, more that they don't accept the same risks as males, as necessary by their nature - their priorities are different and they should be. To give the female the same power as the male in voting seems like a recipe for disaster, as it ignores the selfish motivations of the male. Without any sort of privilege acknowledging the male's power to disrupt the society, he will inevitably conspire against it - often taking many sympathizers due to their same position. It becomes ripe for civil war.

That is, unless you can propose some solution to the issue of male conspirators.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:38 am

I wouldn't even necessarily exclude women from all kinds of votes or organisations. However I do believe it is very important to have socially powerful organisations which are for males only.
There has always been a 'war' between men and women it's just that men have successfully been convinced by society to give up their own interests as a sex and to not organise themselves as a group.
But such an organisation can never unite all men at the same time. This would defeat the whole purpose of such an organisation and turn it into clone of feminism or humanism.

The principle of such an organisation would be to organise a particular set of men to gain an advantage over other men and institutions. Never to try and 'harmonise' and equalise all interests.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:07 pm

The vote of women is their sexual dominance over men; don't they give advise (bad or not), or whisper their desires into the ear of the man in power who can get what she wants.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:09 pm

If I notice one thing in regards with women; those with short hair (or painted purple) should be automatically excluded from any say and participation, not even as a part of an audience.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:11 am

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As I understand it, they were getting out of their train and those Muslims had created a long corridor for them to walk through (the only way, besides reentering the train) and then started groping them and tearing their clothes off, the clothes of the women at least.
When that news gets out people will probably be more careful next time around Muslims but I suspect a lot of young Germans have had it put in their head that it’s crime-think to even consider not going near some Muslim or a group of Muslims, they consider such a thought and the fear and apprehension to be wrong-think and wrong-feel.

Have you read anything about what the German men did?  Or were there only women on the train?  The logistics of it don't make sense.  Nearly 100 women assaulted and they what, shrug it off as soon as they get through that corridor of Muslims...They don't go screaming for help from the nearest German males?  Or maybe only a few were assaulted at a time, and they just got lost in the larger crowd...But still, you'd think immediate action would be taken by the police as soon as the first complaint was received.  No CCTV footage either, conveniently (Get people riled up with the cover up, but not as riled up as if they had seen the footage).

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“We were fondled, I was groped between my legs. My friends also were fondled. My boyfriend tried to pull me away. There was quite a big group of people, maybe thirty or forty,” said one clearly distressed victim."

And the boyfriend didn't bring along pocket knife or anything going to a city full of refugees? And the woman probably would say that " don't go on a killing spree that will only make things worse ".

Even I carry a pocket knife when driving a car at night in the city, these people must have used public transportation...So you use public transportation with your girlfriend without any plan of hurting potential attackers where it hurts efficiently or intimidate.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:33 am

Always have your knife at hand, if someone will ask me here in Georgia why I carry a knife or occasionaly an axe; I answer ''because of niggers and semi-Arabs'' (relating to my country).
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:41 am

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Women love to love a winner and they love to hate a loser.
European man is losing and is weak and so they love to hate him.
Doesn't matter why he is losing and who and what factors are behind it, at the end of the day he is losing. He's losing because he is taking the 'high' road, in this case it means self-defeating, self-denying ideals.
Sure, it's not everything, there are other sensibilities as well but it's a big chunk.


Modern Wo/men love to love the Underdog, not the winner.

Its why pics. of drowning refugees grabs their sensibility than any winner's glory.
Low self-esteem from rootlessness and lack of self-identity is compensated by an inflated sense of justice - abstract feelings for an abstractness as 'humanity'.

Feeling fueled by justice for the underdogs inflating their empty lives with a sense of purpose, that gross inflation is mis-felt as fulfilment, and fulfilment as self-identity.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:54 am

The Rebels in Star Wars are the underdogs but they are also the winners.
First of all they are a rising star and not a falling one. A winner is one who’s star is rising no matter where he is in relation to someone else. If you are on the ascend then you offer the hope of all kinds of possibilities to the hopeful heart.
If I’m constantly losing something in all kinds of ways then it doesn’t necessarily mean that I am below average in my social power in society, it just means I am weakening over time. I offer no hope or great mysterious potential. My future potential then looks limited and also dwindling.

Why do I cheer for the underdog? Because I see great potential and I perceive the underdog to be more deserving of a higher rank and more power. I see him to be deserving to be a winner, I will support him to become a winner, in effect I see him and will make him into a winner.

About those rapefugees, I think that’s only in part motivated with the love for the underdog and even a bigger part is the joy to hate the losing European man.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:16 am

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Why do I cheer for the underdog? Because I see great potential and I perceive the underdog to be more deserving of a higher rank and more power. I see him to be deserving to be a winner, I will support him to become a winner, in effect I see him and will make him into a winner.

And the "him" is really the projection of "I".

"I made a difference" is what "I" need to feel myself as "I".

If I can't amount to anything, and maybe if I reword the Underdog as the winner, it is I who wins.

Proxy Identities and Vicarious Victories.

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About those rapefugees, I think that’s only in part motivated with the love for the underdog and even a bigger part is the joy to hate the losing European man.

You hate him, because you can't climb up to his summit. So I'll level down what it means to a winner.
Self-hating nihilism.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:31 am

Women are to be conquered, if the European man does not stand up, she won't even have a place to plead for help, she will just be taken - unless she has higher principles, for sometimes they may inspire their men to take the lead again. Which I doubt with their Modern values and representation (value).


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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:56 pm

The first and only words you (want to) learn exposes the intent of one's actions yet to be acted upon..

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:24 pm

I think most of those “Welcome Rapefugees’ don’t care about those fugees because they don’t even know who those people are. All they believe is that those fugees are being ‘weak’ and that weakness, regardless of what it is that is being weak in a certain context, needs to be protected and actually celebrated, fetishised. That’s based on a view of morality being moral and good in itself. Example: Racism is bad because racism is bad. Racism is never good for something. Racism is just bad. The End. Sure they may bullshit around about it but the gist is that racism is bad because it’s inherently bad. The word racism becomes bad and whatever is associated and identified as racism by crafty Schlomos is then deemed bad.
And so for them it doesn’t matter what it is that is being weak (oppressed). If it’s called and identified by the authorities in their life that it’s weak (oppressed) then let’s import it and pump resources in its growth because weakness (being oppressed) is inherently good, deserving of support. Likewise if it’s European then it’s bad because Europeans (oppressors) are bad. The End.

So going with this, if they don’t really know or even want to know who those rapefugees are then what can they see in them? They will fill the gaps and project themselves into them. Now, they have this idea about them in their mind: They are weak and oppressed and the rest is filled up with their own psychological make-up.
If the man who projects himself into those people would not feel himself to be weak and oppressed then it’s much more likely that the rest of the projection wouldn’t work as well because there would be one piece of the puzzle which wouldn’t fit and if one piece doesn’t fit then we tend to be much more open to the idea that the whole arrangement might be off.

To hark back to my last entry, I’d now say underdog is not equal to underdog.
You can see someone who is weak (oppressed) as an underdog but you could also see strength (potential) in an underdog.
An underdog could be seen as being oppressed and needing your help, some motherly support, but he could also be seen as someone who has these sets of challenges in front of him which he needs to master himself.

The “Welcome rapefugees” crowd seems to see them as needing some motherly support and they are likely weak and needy themselves. Shattering their perception of the rapefugees, would also impact their perception of themselves and so they have bound themselves to the fate of the identity of those rapefugees which is why they will defend them no matter what becomes glaringly obvious about them.

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You hate him, because you can't climb up to his summit. So I'll level down what it means to a winner.
Self-hating nihilism.

Maybe, nevertheless there is much weakness in European man which is successfully being exploited and which is fuelling the destruction and that fire will burn until the fuel runs dry for one reason or another.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:08 pm

The European man is someone behind the curtain, keeping everything running(know your place).  This is complicated and more difficult to empathize with (ugh, so boring).  But the refugee is running around in the streets, beating his chest, getting into it with the police, "tempting fate," lashing out at women without remorse(it hurts so good), being misunderstood, having no place, just trying to feed his family, risking everything for a chance, he's up, he's down, he's up again...he's a veritable whirlwind of emotion, and women love storms... Unless it's Odin, then he's hated... Until he comes...
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:00 pm

How does taking away voting rights of women make me Islamic, Lyssa? In Athenian democracy, women (along with slaves and foreigners) didn't have the voting power either, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Along with reasons mentioned by others in this thread, there are 2 more why I think women should not vote.

1) Men generally care about women, even women who are strangers to them, while women don't generally care about men, except blood-related ones. Men are biologically programmed to be white knights and protect women, so if a random woman on the street was in danger (let's say being robbed or assaulted) and there are males nearby, it is almost certain she will be helped, whereas if the man was in a same situation, he would be left to his own devices, both by other men and women. Meaning that when men vote, they are likely to take into account their own interests, but also the interests of the woman, while women are prone to only think about their own interests. This is also the result of the female's higher reproductive value, which guarantees she will be taken care of and have a certain kind of advantage in a society anyway.

2) Men generally are more capable of rational, objective thinking that takes into account long-term consequences and are less likely to succumb to emotion. Which is why they are more reliable in positions of authority, and why it is more natural for males to be in positions of authority and power.


A side thought that occurred to me - men have traditionally taken care of the outside world (masculine role), while females of the inside (feminine). This also applies to politics - when politics of a country are about dealing with a threatening outside world/environment, they are usually more masculine/traditional/conservative/militaristic, and when the state is not threatened by anything, the environment is a sheltering one, it can focus inwards and begin emasculating its population, and it becomes more feminine/liberal/pacifistic.

I wouldn't even trust most men with power, much less most women. This is not about Lyssa voting or not voting, this is about millions of clueless, brainwashed, emotional women voting or not voting. I think that, ironically, Lyssa's own ideals would be better represented if women didn't vote.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:34 pm

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To vote is to represent, so far women are in politics and pariticpating; we (Germanic countries) can expect nothing more than to be raped and pillaged. Most, men and women, should not have a say in political affairs, it is up to an Aristocratic elite with exculsively men having a say (though women sided in political wars too in such times as a some hundred years ago).

But as things are now; I have the greatest disdain for political women; nothing but school teacher mentality and playing the psychologist / nurse; playing = evaluating based upon State normatives. Everything so official, serious but with no understanding, wanting to punish and put in corners but once a greater power is in front of such a woman, she is nothing but a pathetic worm who can only bully children and misguide them into pathetic creatures (still within political context, as I mostly grew up with my mother who I resemble a lot in character, but without my father I would have been a complete disaster, with whom I too share lots of traits).

We deserve nothing better than to be raped my mongols and mongrels.

Political women, well articulate with short hair:



Surrounded by lots of child-face, craving for dick pounding against their homosexual faces and baby fat chins and cheeks, worthless ''men''.

And then of course, Merkel and some mayor in Germany who got stabbed in the neck (survived unfortunetely) yet still continues her mission to bring in mongrels.

All politicians, left to right, male and female, all democratic scum - should be hung.
No more voting these coming years, especially when one will see that the ''right'' will do nothing as Always but to play an illusion of choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:04 pm

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How does taking away voting rights of women make me Islamic, Lyssa? In Athenian democracy, women (along with slaves and foreigners) didn't have the voting power either, as I'm sure you're well aware.

Because it would be a regressive move esp. in this climate where we want to evolve. Rather than containing women, the real onus should be on the kind of competitive choice or standard you set up, and even more, on recovering, redefining, and raising the best ideal as the highest ideal, regulating the kind of education and knowledge that will be funded, and such measures. Groom.  And with so much information already out there, its not Athens anymore, and a patriarchy that isn't established on confidence in one's own standing the test of the highest ideal, will win no long endurance anyway. Enforced paternalism is one of the biggest factors women converted to Xt. btw. In exchange for their property inherited, the only authority they would have to deal with was some invisible "Father" in the heavens… and that was instantly attractive.
Women should want to be possessed naturally, as is their natural instinct - enforcing this reduces the quality of selection and males in generations to come. Want to be possessed - but by what? One needs only to make what is best, desirable again. Redefining standards and ideals.

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1) Men generally care about women, even women who are strangers to them, while women don't generally care about men, except blood-related ones. Men are biologically programmed to be white knights and protect women, so if a random woman on the street was in danger (let's say being robbed or assaulted) and there are males nearby, it is almost certain she will be helped, whereas if the man was in a same situation, he would be left to his own devices, both by other men and women. Meaning that when men vote, they are likely to take into account their own interests, but also the interests of the woman, while women are prone to only think about their own interests. This is also the result of the female's higher reproductive value, which guarantees she will be taken care of and have a certain kind of advantage in a society anyway.

Men think about women in physical circumstances, but you neglect to say, women think about all humanity in mental/emotional circumstances… which is even the problem, and why controlling them, controls the direction of what gene/meme evolves. Each gender has strength in its own area and feels its heroism there. Heroism is natural to the human spirit and is beyond gender issues. The Third Reich had a woman's movement and leadership for encouraging mothers and marriage and more shared labour… they Wanted to dedicate their lives to their menfolk. I think some things like heroism transcend biology and become a spiritual resolve of the human will in general.

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2) Men generally are more capable of rational, objective thinking that takes into account long-term consequences and are less likely to succumb to emotion. Which is why they are more reliable in positions of authority, and why it is more natural for males to be in positions of authority and power.

There's that saying what is least common today is common sense. Intelligence is a good balance of prudence and idealisms. Women not being rationally as intelligent as men doesnt mean they have no common sense. The smart women are the ones who bear the future of intelligent sons tomorrow. Dumbing them down is not the way to go, as much as displaying confidence in what they Can do good.

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This is not about Lyssa voting or not voting, this is about millions of clueless, brainwashed, emotional women voting or not voting. I think that, ironically, Lyssa's own ideals would be better represented if women didn't vote.

I dont see myself as a woman-feminist like I have some vested interest in it,,, but objectively from the pt. of view of the evolution of the human spirit and how it can be furthered. For me, the life that brings out the best, is where plus and minus are Both favoured. A little weakness here and there is what keeps the spirit alert and robust and healthy, and eliminating all downsides and favouring all upsides is very lopsided and not progressive to me. Strengths come in different areas and modes, and an outlook that manages to tie it all in the Right proportion is what births culture. Like I was telling Satyr many weeks ago, a good dish is not one where you add the best of everything, but adding them in the right proportion like salt and spices… a bit more of that, a bit less of this… There has to be an organic relation.

Regarding the feminists and other weaklings of today,, raising the standard of living is a veritable pressure cooker - those who can face it will evolve, and those who cannot will run, flee, perish or do whatever. Raise the pressure and you hopefully raise the quality of life too. In any case, scavengers feeding off garbage is good for every society to have… just that scavengers being acknowledged so and not as the norm is what is needed today.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:03 pm

Voting is an alternative to violence, as in war-fighting(civil war).

Women dont do a great deal of that, so no need to give them the vote.

Or most men, only a minority fights.


edit: very few, if anyone ought to vote in any kind of "national election". But probably everyone should have representation. Women aswell. Women should just not be allowed to influence , as a block, all policy. Somehow, they should be forced to negotiate with the others(men) over resources etc.
Maybe the same for rich, middle-class and poor - they should all have their very own representation that negotiates on their behalf. To avoid voilence.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Sat Jan 23, 2016 9:12 pm

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Women should want to be possessed naturally, as is their natural instinct - enforcing this reduces the quality of selection and males in generations to come. Want to be possessed - but by what? One needs only to make what is best, desirable again. Redefining standards and ideals.

I wouldn't want to limit female sexual freedom in the sense that their relationships would be decided by the father, women would still choose. But I would limit both female and male sexual relationships to monogamy, and cheating and treating relationships like a child's game would be greatly discouraged, or even outright forbidden.

What do you think of forbidding interracial and international relationships, both for women and men?
I could see that as being justified because it would be done for the sake of preserving ancestry.

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Men think about women in physical circumstances, but you neglect to say, women think about all humanity in mental/emotional circumstances… which is even the problem, and why controlling them, controls the direction of what gene/meme evolves. Each gender has strength in its own area and feels its heroism there.

Men too have empathy towards all humanity, but I think it's easier for men to direct their empathy with reason and awareness, while women, even the very intelligent ones, still seem to me as dominated by their emotions to a greater extent than even some males who might be less intelligent than them. I agree each gender has their strengths and weaknesses... which is why I think only some, not all men, should vote. Not only do males have strong instincts to protect even stranger women, but men also have mothers, grandmothers, sisters, female relatives an so on whom they have even more desire to protect and take care of. And while we're at that, I think that only men with families should vote as a counter-measure to possible misogynists who, because they have no female in their life, might not include the interests of women when voting.

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A little weakness here and there is what keeps the spirit alert and robust and healthy, and eliminating all downsides and favouring all upsides is very lopsided and not progressive to me.

Weakness is something to be overcome as much as possible, it can never be completely removed anyway so there is no need for its artificial preservation - it will always be present. And eliminating downsides just makes sense... otherwise you aren't talking about actual downsides.
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Cowards; undisciplined, mongrel scum, mongrel by breed or else by class - research says that 92% of radical left wing activists in Berlin are unemployed, middle class and fully dependend on mother in all aspects.

This reflects beyond Berlin and now of course the inclusion of actual mongrels; like attracts like.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:20 pm

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Women should want to be possessed naturally, as is their natural instinct - enforcing this reduces the quality of selection and males in generations to come. Want to be possessed - but by what? One needs only to make what is best, desirable again. Redefining standards and ideals.

I wouldn't want to limit female sexual freedom in the sense that their relationships would be decided by the father, women would still choose.

A patriarchy without paternalism exists today in some conservative I.E. countries. Within borders set by patriarchs or patriarchal values, a woman could be let to be free to choose her partner.

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What do you think of forbidding interracial and international relationships, both for women and men?
I could see that as being justified because it would be done for the sake of preserving ancestry.

I'm a racialist, and for a strict racial policy.
But as per Satyr's views, that Today, a female who is stable enough to endure a marriage and a family is near-impossible in the West,, then man either makes do, or he imports a female from less dis/eased areas where memes are still relatable owing to distant genetic or socio-cultural branches.
Ideally, beyond today's times, it comes down to apollonian/dionysian aesthetics which has been discussed here before in the race-mixing thread I think.
The Apollonian need for bringing out beautiful forms, of perfecting the standards of beauty and harmony can make 'males', if not men, 'explorers' outside their own culture - but if the genius is to be nurtured, there should have been a Depth of homogeneity to take the 'hit' of taking in foreign elements in your gene pool. There are enough variations across our own sub-cultures, but the male-need to spread, colonize, expand and experiment, may take over a man's need towards honour, fidelity, quality over quantity and withstanding the disadvantages within the limitations of what he restricts to be his sacred space, and so then it will come to the question of how much mixing one can afford to let in, in that case, where male needs predominate over a man's need.


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Men too have empathy towards all humanity, but I think it's easier for men to direct their empathy with reason and awareness, while women, even the very intelligent ones, still seem to me as dominated by their emotions to a greater extent than even some males who might be less intelligent than them.

I dont see emotions as a detriment in themselves.
A disciplined spirit is capable of being fully emotional and still be perfectly objective.
An involved-detachment, which is what empathy is, can be mistaken for seeming to be dominated by it.

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A little weakness here and there is what keeps the spirit alert and robust and healthy, and eliminating all downsides and favouring all upsides is very lopsided and not progressive to me.

Weakness is something to be overcome as much as possible, it can never be completely removed anyway so there is no need for its artificial preservation - it will always be present. And eliminating downsides just makes sense... otherwise you aren't talking about actual downsides.

There are no opposites; but entangled polarities. Doing away with something that causes you pain will also impact your capacity for pleasure. Evolution is impossible if one isn't ready to affirm the price he has to pay for the prize he must want to enjoy. With every growth, there is a vulnerability, and it should be affirmed than eliminated. By affirm, I never said preservation, but a doing No with a Yea-saying. With every gain there is a loss, and if one steps back from gaining for a loss here and there, there can be no growth. Also, what looks like a weakness in itself locally, could in relation to the whole organism be contributing to its robustness. And what looks like strength or an advantage locally, could in relation to the whole be cause of its detriment.
Xts. founds their whole flesh a weakness - Xt. is the systemic elimination of the body, of senses, of the physiological.
Such eliminaton of weaknesses is nihilistic life-negation. A stunting of life. N. called Xt. a slow will to suicide.
Pure virtuosity through the elimination of all vice and weakness - such Alexdrianism is a false progressiveness.

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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:26 pm

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Enforced paternalism is one of the biggest factors women converted to Xt. btw

When is paternalism ever not enforced? Why is women not having the right to vote necessarily a step backwards?
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Enforced paternalism is one of the biggest factors women converted to Xt. btw

When is paternalism ever not enforced?

There are orthodox cultures where upholding patriarchal values as parameters is already idealized into identity; so a household head doesnt necessarily have to force his daughter to marry person a, b, or c. Within established parameters, she is quite free to choose. Spartan women were relatively free to Athenians.
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Why is women not having the right to vote necessarily a step backwards?  

Nietzsche wrote:
"...is it not time, now that the type "herd animal" is being evolved more and more in Europe, to make the experiment of a fundamental, artificial and conscious breeding of the opposite type and its virtues? And would it not be a kind of goal, redemption, and justification for the democratic movement itself if someone arrived who could make use of it-by finally producing beside its new and sublime development of slavery (-that is what European democracy must become ultimately) a higher kind of dominating and Caesarian spirits who would stand upon it, maintain themselves by it, and elevate themselves through it? To new, hitherto impos- sible prospects, to their own prospects? To their own tasks?" [WTP, 954]

There is either a transition or a violent and abrupt break.

A subterfuge of democracy, or all sorts of barbarians creating ground 0.
Voting only means something if we are talking the former.
In which case, as said, the onus ought to be on raising the criterion for competition.
I agree with Anfang's idea of isolated development that are male and female exclusive - which is what initiatory rituals were. Such things have to occur simultaneously, so these initiatory qualities shape those criteria, and those criteria shape future individuals. A 'synergy'.

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If you are in a relationship with a woman and she does not belong to you then you cannot defend her against someone else. This can also extend to groups, you can defend a woman against a group for your group but this only makes sense if she belongs to your group or you claim her.


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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:24 pm

It wouldn't be good to order women to become the property of feminized men, not in the long run.
Maybe it would be good as an 'emergency measure' but those emergency measures tend to become the new norm and f-s up a lot in the long run.
There needs to be some form of competition among men, also group internally which creates paternalism from within, not some hive mind sanctioned patriarchy from above.
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PostSubject: Re: Immigration - Opinions, rants, predictions, solutions... Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:35 pm

Anfang wrote:
If you are in a relationship with a woman and she does not belong to you then you cannot defend her against someone else. This can also extend to groups, you can defend a woman against a group for your group but this only makes sense if she belongs to your group or you claim her.
The usual problem with western and white women, is there's nothing to claim. Males traditionally claim an adolescent woman by her virginity. Without her virginity, she has already been claimed by at least one man, if not many others. A slut is claimed by many. A chaste woman is claimed by just one, two, or three.

The western woman is shared by all, communal. Without chaste women, Nobility, there is no female to rally around. No woman worthy of protection, of educating, of uplifting.

The western spiritual disease is not only within the men, but the women too. The lack of strictness and structure, the lack of moral rigidity, lack of strength and steel. Where are the western women with honor, with dignity, with traditional values worth guarding?


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