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The idea of ownership carries into capitalism and why Communists are so against it.
The capitalist is a man who has proven himself...but his children and his children's children have to.
Yet wealth, like power, is passed on from father to sons, and usually those of the same kind trust those of their own kind, and prefer to commerce and be neighbours with them.
This goes against the nihilistic code of Marxism - born of a Jew - and that of Abrahamism.
Nihilism could only have been created in the minds of a Jew and a Christian, infected by the pagan version that infected the west. It was a political system tailored for victims.
It's core principle is the replacement of race and sex, with that socio-economic abstraction called 'class'.
Class simply alludes to natural hierarchies but is really their eradication.
By abstracting natural identifiers the Marxist could declare all workers of the earth, a single category...no matter what tribe, they belonged to, what race they were, what sex, what heritage, what spirituality...all were the downtrodden, the ill, the stupid, the crippled, the excluded and denied access, the wronged, seeking justice - i.e., salvation.
Wealth is "salvation". With it a fat, ugly fuck, can marry and impregnate the hottest babe around....and it is she which will strive to be his whore; with it, an imbecile can pretend to be a genius, because it doesn't matter hoe you got it, but that you have it.

The naivete of the Marxist is that he actually believed, and till does, that if you distributed wealth evenly and liberated all from "Paternalism" then man would revert to his "noble savage" true self; all would find a mate, all would be content, all would be happy.
Feminism is a Marxist creation....the liberation of women has proven to have the opposite effect...as the MRA, a.k.a. MGTOW, realized soon enough.
It's the kind of naivete - idiocy I would say - that believes that if you evenly distribute wealth man will return to peaceful coexistence, with no exploitation, no animosity, nothing but smoking marijuana and drinking booze, while you listen to techno or cRap, fucking your girlfriend/boyfriend, you pet, or the cadaver you dug up the week before, or your buddy.
A hippie utopia.

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Marxists always fail to integrate risks as part of the final outcome's reward.
They assume that all risks, and therefore all risk-taking, must be rewarded positively...

That's not how natural selection works.

How can the man who took the risks and succeeded, be rewarded and forced to share his rewards with those that never took the risks, or took them and failed?
Bad judgement should not be rewarded, because if it is then it believes it deserved to be rewarded, affirming the errors in judgement and producing this debate over subjectivity versus objectivity; those who never take risks cannot be rewarded because then lethargy is affirmed, as though all deserve rewards no mater what they do or fail to do.

Exploitation is the fee the successful risk taker skims off those who failed or never dared.

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Many, if not most, self-described Marxists, do not really care about the spread of Communism or its viability. They turned to it to relieve themselves from the implications of capitalism and the results of its competitive environments.
Having been denied access by 'natural selection', they were then un-chosen by 'social selection', and so there was nowhere to turn but to nihilism and Marxism for salvation and retribution against what they were excluded from.

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Politics and economics can be traced back to primal sexual sources and the division of reproductive roles.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was what Marxists failed to integrate into their perfectly ordered Utopia - their perfect socio-economic model - a reflection of Abrahamic Paradise on earth, or in the beyond, transmitted as a forever immanent future.
Human choice, and its source in chaos, eluded their socially engineered psychosis, unable to discern how the cosmos, reality itself stood against their idealism.
Their spontaneous revolution failed to materialize because the cosmos is not absolutely ordered, and so could not follow predictable paths.
Their was an ideological river flowing out of Abrahamic cliffs, floating upon subterranean nihilistic chasms of the spirit - if the concept is properly define and understood.
Spengler may have been correct about the relationship between Marxism and Christianity....



...but he also failed to replace Christianity with Abrahamism - widening his scope - and to trace both back to the source in a human mind confronted by its own awareness.
Bolsheviks could not accept Evolution Theory without a tabula rasa, and when they finally did - as did Abrahamism later on - they failed to rid themselves of hard determinism, convincing themselves that all of this was preordained and part of a universal process towards increasingly 'better' circumstances; upward and upward, perhaps not towards god, but towards something as divine: humanity, and the brotherhood of man.
They had to convince themselves that a man is born a blank slate awaiting universal programming through the agency of well-meaning comrades that could and would shape the ideal citizen, to continue to believe that men would choose the rational option of shared resources, risks, and equally distributed costs and benefits.
Free-Will is still rejected by them....because there the irrational continuously challenges all rational dogmas with the simple act of choice.
A problem they were quick to deny to their future citizenry....if they hoped to built their Utopia.
Choice, you see, is the problem.
Choice that can contradict precedent, and veer away towards unforeseen directions.
Choice, made possible only in a cosmos where order and chaos coexist as qualities of energy.

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Erasing history comes from the need to erase distinction and the superior/inferior hierarchy. The student unions are always the ones who carry out the communist agendas, because they represent the inferiority of thier controllers. No experience with reality, or struggle or working for values. Only a born and reared life in indoctrination and edumacation and propaganda brainwashing. Idealism is what they understand. No different than someone who spends all his time playing war video games, disconnected from the reality that he wouldn't last 2 seconds alive in a real one.
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but he also failed to replace Christianity with Abrahamism
I disagree with this, Abrahamism doesn't resemble bolshevisim as a whole, Catholicism, Christianity do, Islam and Judaism don't, Islam, resembles but isn't a precursor of absolutist political systems like German National Socialism or Stalinist Communism, Judaism resembles all kinds of sects around the world, for example, the 'Catholic' 'Christian' God is much more paganistic and 'personal' than a Jewish one, to draw comparisance between it and a Jewish God isn't very much different than comparing heathenism with Christianity, there are similarities and differences but it isn't the same thing.
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Ideological collectivism can be spiritual or secular. The biological is usurped by the abstraction; the genetic is replaced by an all-encompassing, memetic, that crosses over tribal, sexual, and all biological boundaries.
If not paradise after death, to be enjoyed in the beyond, then what is offered is a secular version of paradise of earth in the forever immanent, and never present future Utopia.

In both the corporeal is replaced by the abstract.


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Luke 3:11 wrote:
He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Basic Marxist economics.
No blood, or tribal, or natural identifying criterion. Give to 'anyone' half of what you have to equalize ownership - wealth distribution.



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Communism opposed Christianity, or any Abrahamic religion, because it had to impose its own secular ideology as a replacement religion.
The masses had to internalize the communist manifesto in the same way they had internalized Abrahamic nihilism.

It had to manipulate naturally evolving altruism and cooperative strategies, by breaking down the genetic boundaries to create a ideology with global reach, just as Abrahamism had.
God, for Abrahamism, was a hindrance....because it imposed a ideal over peoples who had their own.
Communism eliminated god and replaced it with 'state', and Scripture with ideology - abstracting god into an idea. This made it viral on a scale that Abrahamism had not attained.

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Rev. Sandra Nikkel, wrote:
There are certainly some parallels between the teachings of Jesus and those of communism, but the axle which holds them together is radically different. Communism encourages people to riot against the oppression of the rich and all governmental structures, in favor of a government that owns the means of production and natural resources. Jesus encourages people to riot against the oppression of sin and all forms of evil, in favor of a Kingdom that promotes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and faithfulness. Communism is about using force and intimidation to gain equality. Jesus’s Kingdom is about love and sacrifice—for God and for our neighbor—and he promotes a Kingdom where equality is the natural result of putting other people’s interests above ours. And, since we only have 80 or 90 years to learn to do that, let us pray as the Psalmist did: ‘So teach us to number our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.’ (Psalm 90:12)
A christian perspective.
Yet, Jesus was a rebel against the Pharisee order, against family values...

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Natural order, from the Marxist perspective is the exploitation of work.
A carnivorous predator exploits a herbivore's work in collecting and processing the sun's energies, via the plant....which is also an exploitation of the plant by the herbivore.
There are no equally distributed energies.
In the field of reproduction, the alpha, the dominant, exploits the female's womb, at the expense of the inferior male's and often-times the female's work, in gestating and then caring for the young.
This is the basis for feminism. A male's exploitation of female work.

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Spengler, Otto wrote:
Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism
I would adjust this to
'Abrahamic nihilism is the spiritual parent, the ideological foundation, of secular forms of it, such as Communism.'



*Notice the Engels/Marx connection.
Engels a Calvinist - reformed Protestant - and Marx a Jew - atheist and yet identifying with his Jewish heritage.
The relationship between Protestantism and Judaism, culminating in America, are old.
This is the true meaning of Judeo-Christianity - a reformed or rebellious, secular synthesis.

*Opium.
A mind-altering chemical that can numb and inhibit awareness of reality.
Intoxication is the state where the irrational seems, feels, rational - emotion overwhelming rationality, burying scepticism with sensations.
Relief from the experience of existing, i.e., need/suffering.
Intoxication makes the nonsensical feel sensible.

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The common grounding of Marx and Jesus, is not the tribal instincts of cooperation and altruism, but the elimination of the discriminating limits for such cooperative altruism.
This is where both show their anti-life, anti-nature spirit.

Undiscriminating is the ideology of Liberalism and the effect of intoxication. An inability to trust your own senses, and to use them to construct a judgement.
Wealth distribution is a love distribution.
Money has become the salvation metaphor - the body of Christ consumed, to be reborn as idea within the believing consumer.
'All deserve love, if they surrender themselves to the will of god, and truly and honestly repent,' becomes 'all deserve food and care and well-being, if they submit to the collective, via the will of the State, and truly and honestly, repent for their animal nature'.

Money is the Messiah - in the form of bread and wine, during ecclesiastical rituals, or i the form of monetary exchanges in the marketplace, the church of the collective.
To share the same currency is like sharing the same messiah.

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Marx went off-rails in his later works, after he got famous, it is true, he indeed says that men are all society, all nurture, and his late legacy rightfully leads into Leninism, something the Marxists I listen to never bothered to mention(I only red it recently)...I think that youtube is an intellectual distortion device(because except rare videos all I encounter there I later verify to be dishonest and skewed ideologically), we must read the sources to get a look, evidently...Nevertheless, there is a lot of value to Marxisim in understanding todays world and socialism is of undeniable importance.
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Is Santa the same person as Marx?

Both appear to be European but are of an alien origin.
Both have white beard.
Both propose an alternate reality where magical things happen, like production without exploitation, and a world of ant-like - bee-like - creatures with big brains and a developed sense of self willing to regress for the sake of hedonism.

Wait...didn't Santa exploit the elves?
Both hypocrites.
Both offering a dualistic world-view - good boys and girls, versus naughty girls and boys; capitalist and proletarians.

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On a genetic level a Marxist is a 'beta' – individual un-invested in the future - who has simply appropriated his/her identity to a collective that goes beyond the genetic – he's idealized himself into an otherness, but this another is not a tangible being but an idea.

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China's social credit system.
Updating Communism.
Neo-Marxism.

It's sort of an adaptation of Capitalism into the Marxist collective, but instead of money - credit - representing your social value they use Marxist value-standards to evaluate your social value, or your worth/contributions to the collective, given by the State.
A 'moral credit system', coupled with 'production credit'.

Capitalism has a similar system, updating natural selection into social selection, where the collective evaluate the individual's social value using money - productivity credits.
It's more inconspicuous in Capitalism - sub-conscious - because the populating is cultivated to act as the social judge of the other's collective value using his naturally evolved standards adapted from genetics to memetics - in China this role is reserved for the state.
Social engineering is more subtle, adopting evolutionary methods and slightly modifying them from physical to abstract; from the real to the ideal.
A adaptation into Nihilistic paradigms, easily accepted by the average member of society who sees in it an opportunity to overcome what he cannot change, i.e., his inherited genes.
In Capitalism inheritance is only of meme - in the form of accumulated credit = money, wealth - which compensate for any inferior inherited genes.
This is the point where Capitalism contradicts the Evolutionary model.


Capitalism deals with this contradiction through feminization.
Social stratification is overcome through social migration, from lower to higher, if the individual manages to seduce or become useful to the majority - selling himself as a popular icon/idol, or producing a product that is popular - innovation, inventiveness and salesmanship. The first is exceeded in effect and popularity by the second two.
Few have the mental ability to invent and create, but more have the ability to learn to innovate what has already been invented, and more have the ability to market themselves to a target market - the larger the target audience the more talented the salesman - a talent to seduce (manipulate, convince, fool) as many diverse minds as possible.
Of course uniformity increasing makes such a talent less unique.

The component of outwitting the system, of breaking the established rules, should also be included as a way of outperforming the previous three methods.
Higher risk = less time and effort.
As one climbs up the social hierarchy the risks decrease.

China has managed to find an adaptation of capitalism to its Communist system, by circumventing the collectives participation - non-democratic.
A less sophisticated method that does not require much psychological insight.

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When we have Europeans finding a silver lining in Marxism, as a way to absolve them of thier "racism", shows how far things have truly sunk.
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Moderns can be called "champaign communists".
They preach but do not practice, or they preach collective impoverishment, as they enjoy the collective's luxuries and privileges.
It's a form of self-punishment, through shame/guilt.
They share in the collective suffering by contradicting themselves and suffering the pain of this knowledge.

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