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PostSubject: Re: Race Mon May 08, 2017 7:28 pm

The theory that IQ is not hereditary is not an anti-hereditity theory but an anti-racialism theory.
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PostSubject: Re: Race Sat May 13, 2017 8:06 am

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Since I am Italian, I do not fit into this picture of the future. I noticed a fair bit of interest in Vikernes here, so I was wondering what opinions were on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Race Sat May 13, 2017 8:36 am

Nothing he said about fitness in the hypothetical situation of no technology or an ice age is incorrect.
He does not appeal to morality, he appeals to survivability and selection.
How much of a coping mechanism prevents you from one thing or another because of your breed, will affect your success.

Varg appears to me to generally concern himself with family over breed and breed over race and race over etc. etc.
Morality of the typical sort is not much an issue.
Whether or not he is correct statistically and naturally, you could try to check yourself.

My thoughts are: people will ally with their closest genetic cousins. Where the southern Europeans fit, is closer than Asians, Arabs, Blacks, and mestizos.
North Western Europe will need middle ans southern Europeans, probably.

Whether or not you have a future depends on your definition. Who is "you" in spirit? Some will sacrifice themselves for a black child, others will for only whites or family or no one. If you identify as a race, eventually you will lose the alliance.
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PostSubject: Re: Race Sat May 13, 2017 8:50 am

Each environment promotes the traits that would optimize survival in them.
Indo-European man covers a wide range of environments.
Loss of skin and hair pigmentation indicates more northern environments.  
Less indicates, a more southern environment.
Further and closer to the original.

Stringent environments in comparison to the original African sub-Saharan are always referred to as "northern" because the populations that were forced to migrate had to move northward.
The further towards the north, the more demanding the environmental conditions became.
Natural selection would select for the traits that would be optimal within these more severe, and alien to the sub-Saharan...not only in pigmentation but in ingenuity, cooperative tendency, tolerance of need/suffering etc.
In all cases a move out of humanity's original environment would force an adaptation.
Cold and absence of sunlight is but one stress factor. It is not the only one defining European form non-European, even if it is the most easily discerned and therefore more easily argued for.
Another would be an absence of water, or fertile soil, or large game, or of nutrients that could be foraged directly and that do not require some form of processing, or domestication/taming.
Domesticating other species of life, plant or otherwise, is also an indication of ingenuity.
Each type of stress requires a particular adaptation that would then be naturally selected.

When I speak of Europeans I speak of them in the broader Indo-European genetic lineage.
 
Of the populations forced to emigrate out of Africa, or out of the sub-Sahara to be more precise, due to their weakness, the move north was then be followed by a migration southward, a re-turn, because of the Ice Age.
Some managed to remain in more northern environments, others migrated south into more climatically hospitable environments with their own environmental challenges.
Ingenuity, and the development of higher cognitive abilities, imagination, cooperation, was common to all, not only because they shared a common heritage before the Ice age forced them apart, but also because no matter where they went the environment was not a sub-Saharan one.
Race mixing, tribal mixing, must also be taken into consideration.
More northern tribes were less likely to become mixed.    

As an example I give the history of the Spanish and the Portuguese.
A sad story of ascent and decline.
Their exploration, ingenuity, helped them come into contact with inferior populations which they then mixed with, resulting in their present decline.
Same goes for the Greeks, and their mixing with the Turkish tribes, as well as their infection with Judaism, morphing, from this mixing, into Christianity.
The ancient Romans must have absorbed many alien to their own bloodlines, from across their empire.
Appearance always indicates the degree of dilution if we consider fair skin and blond hair an indication of adaptation to northern environments.

But if we consider ingenuity, intelligence, an ability to survive severe environmental conditions as the heritage of Indo-European cultures, from the Celts to northern-India, then cold and lack of sunlight is but one aspect of a demanding environment, but not the only one.
Considering all the fact we might explain why civilizations emerged around the Mediterranean basin and not in northern Europe.
There is no civilization comparable to Rome, Hellas, or Hinduism in the north, even if their spirituality is almost exactly the same.
The balance between stress and comfort is matter of cycles.
Too much stress and the branch breaks. Too much consistent stress and there is no time and no energies left to advance, to develop.
A period of stress followed by a period of comfort enables the sufficient release of accumulated stress energies to be applied towards thinking that is not directly involved with survival.

Too much leisure and you have atrophy.
Too little leisure and you have no time and no energy for anything but work.
A fine balance...a Hellenic ascetic one.

The ancient Greeks are a good example.
The geography is inhospitable. The weather might be optimal but not from a nutritional standpoint.
Large populations cannot be supported, and the nutrients require hard labour and domestication to be consumed.
The Athenians, for this reason, turned to the sea, bringing them in contact with a multiplicity of peoples and traditions.
The Spartans chose a more austere strategy, embracing need/suffering. They embraced severity, adapting their behavior to the severity of the land, explaining why they never became a great empire, but a legendary spiritual attitude.

Environmental severity is not only about cold and lack of sunlight.

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PostSubject: Re: Race Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:40 am

Concerning degenerates and their Dysgenics

When it suits them the human race is far too complex to understand.
Mystical it becomes.
Magical supernatural, divine, void of all natural determinations.
Pure idea(l).
But when it does not, humans become simple, are reduced to pigmentation, a feeling, a sensation.
Of course this is never applied consistently. fro example these same degenerates do not reduce the category of animal, named cow, to its skin pigmentation, or to the smell of its feces - they do not deconstruct a cow to then selectively pick and choose how to reassemble it to suit their delusions, and what to disregard for no reasons at all, but only to ridicule it, based on prevailing cultural norms...then considering themselves ahead of the herd.
Uniformity forces a psychosis with standing apart. To reduce all to a uniformity, necessitates a desperate desire to be seen, and appreciated within that which you've constructed to hide within.
A need to show only what you want to, and be seen only as you wish to see yourself....making fashion, and hyperbole in expression, dress, attitude a matter of being noticed among the herd you place yourself in, willingly.
I suspect a similar psychosis with all bovines. They want to disappear in the herd when the predator lurks, but when they feel safe, they want to be recognized as an individual, as someone worthy of procreation, and recognition.
Anxiety forces them into uniformity, and a reduction, sheltering, makes them 'bold' again.
But this boldness becomes exaggerated, to compensate for their desire to disappear. It becomes pronounces, hyper.

So, the Human Race is divine, mystical, but races are about pigmentation, hair texture.
Everything that applies in distinguishing and categorizing world, does not apply to human, when it has become a mystical abstraction.

World = humanity
Humanity = world

When the concept 'human' has been detached from nature, it is made sexless, raceless, has no past, nothing that determines it, that limits its potential.
Locke is behind this Americanism - tabula rasa...all shall be judged by their production potentials, which is called their "character" (caricature)...meaning their social role, their social performance.
How they relate to other humans.
Humanity becomes another word for world.
To seduce, manipulate, exploit and dominate humans, is equivalent to being god.
Ergo, word.
'...and the word was with God.
and the word was god
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It has become pure noumenon....pure idea(l).
As such it exists only in the minds of those that share it.
As pure idea(l) it has no existence outside minds, so quantities, conviction, shared ideas, are a matter of survival.

The idea first...and then to be made real.
Noumenon to phenomenon, inverting nature's phenomenon to noumenon.
Not Right makes Might...but Right makes Might.


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PostSubject: Re: Race Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:29 am

Repeating myself.......

Eugenics in relation to Natural Selection
Imagine....you meticulously and painstakingly breed a specific kind of dog. A dog perfect for a specific task, With he right mixture of traits, nurtured and balanced, to produce a perfect specimen.
Then, some careless, degenerate takes all those years of careful breeding, and mixes it with just any other breed, relying no chance, to produce something it took years of willful focus to make.

All that work, effort, pain and suffering; all that time destroyed....like breaking off a piece of a stalagmite that formed over millions of years of mineral deposits.
And for what reason?
Because to the degenerate anything beautiful, strong, virile reminds it of how ugly it is....reminds it of what natural selection has failed to produce, when sheltering and the memetic di-sease took over.
What does the degenerate replace a natural phenomena with?
Symbols...declarations, words, piling up as if they were mineral deposits, to create what?
A theory?
A hypothetical ideal?
A monstrosity pretending to be what it can never be?

Genes to Memes
inverted to
Memes to Genes

From..

Phenomenon (World)
symbol (language, - number, letter - word)
Noumenon (Mind)

to...

Noumenon (Mind)
symbol (language, - number, letter - word)
Phenomenon (World)


From Down<>Up
The experience, worldly, towards the Divine (idea/ideal) - forwards, upward
To Top<>Down
The Divine (ideal/ideal), towards the worldly, the experience - back ward, downward

Nihilism in the west
-Abrahamic Traditions  (Judaism = Christianity/Islam) - spiritual
-Marxism (secularized Abrahamism) - Political
-Post-Modern (Transhumanism, feminism, deconstructionism) - Social

Three forms of the same memetic virus, the same mental/psychological dis-ease.  


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PostSubject: Re: Race Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:02 pm

"The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy, and came to advance ideals like liberty, progress, [and] tolerance ..."
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When reason says there's differences between capacities for reason between human breeds/kin, so one's own personal ability for reason may be less than someone else's... Well, that's when reason has gone too far and it's time to start being compromising/agreeable ('reasonable').
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PostSubject: Re: Race Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:33 pm

Only the human animal can reject the input of his senses and opt to replace them with abstractions based on ideas constructed in the brain, entirely independent from reality, and as a rejection of it.
Only the human animal can reject what it perceives to replace it with an idea it has yet to validate, based on the assumption that what it sees is too complex to make sense of, or that what will validate its idea is out there, somewhere, waiting to be discovered, in the meantime dismissing what is present as superficial.

An animal does not question its perceptions when it perceives difference and similarity.
It has evolved to do so as a matter concerning its survival.
The human animal can do so because it places its survival within a group it must accommodate and be accommodated by.




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PostSubject: Re: Race Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:08 pm

All anti-race arguments begin from the post-modern social constructivism, and end with a psychological accusation.
In between they ignore the contradictions in their own absurdities.

What of appearance, and how would evolution apply to the human species if appearances and intermediate stages are blamed on social factors?

Was there no evolution before humans invented social systems?
From where to memes come from, if not from genes interacting with environment?

Why does appearance mean nothing only when it comes to humans?
Why did genetic isolation only result in a physical divergence, but had no significant effects on intelligence and psychology?
Why would evolution produce such obvious physical differences, and have no significant mental or psychological effect?

How small must an effect be before it is, conveniently, ignored?

How did intelligence evolve if genetic isolation only affected humans physically?
Why do some races produce complex social systems and cultures, whereas others only produce primitive social systems and cultures? If it's all about luck, then genetic drift ought to be considered the most decisive evolutionary force.
Why do the same races, the same noes that never developed sophisticates social systems and cultures, also fail to compete intellectually in the present system? Is this a coincidence?

Why do Negroes mature a full year, on average, before Caucasians do?
Is their dominance in track and field also a matter of upbringing and social factors?

How do species evolve if genetic isolation is not a part of the explanation?
Do they magically pop into existence, or do species gradually diverge, over time, until they are separate species?

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PostSubject: Re: Race Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:10 am

Race is a sub-category of species, which is a sub-category of life.
To love, loving, or will willing, are linguistic twists to the expression of to identify with being alive - to love and will life, or to the condition that allows willing and loving to become probable.

Race, like species, like life, is about potential, and potential is another way of saying what is probable, or a qualification of what is possible - what is made more possible.

Will and love, and value, and need are expression of living. It is what differentiates, distinguishes the living emergent unity from the non-living congruity.
To will is to express living, as is loving and needing, and due to needing valuing, judging, evaluating in relation to need/suffering.

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PostSubject: Re: Race Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:25 am

Self can only refers to the sum of all that is part of an organism's past - sum of all nurturing being its essence, its nature.
This is its identity.
An individual is nothing, or is reduced, if it identifies with the immediate, the most current, what is trending, or popular, or what is pieces together from the immediate environment.
Identity is the sum of all past, manifesting as presence, as appearance, which must be re-called, re-affirmed, not constructed.
Know Thyself...thy Self.
To know what you have forgotten, rejected.

Self can only refer to living organisms, for they reaffirm their past, with every breath, every feeding, every reproduction, every increase in their being, growth.
Will to Power can only refer to living organisms, as a will of what is lacking - the absent-absolute.
Willing in power, as a relationship of individual to other - power being a relationship, a juxtaposition, of self with other, or of the current self to previous self.
Freedom is about detaching from such relationships, where they no longer matter...the absolute, God, being a complete detachment form otherness.
Individual is another word we use to describe self, distinguishing it as a emergent unity, among many others - the individual emergent unity, rather than the collective out of which it emerges.
Individual is an expression of species, the one is an expression of the collective.

Breed, race, kind, {ειδος} is a movement towards, or away from the collective, that distinguishes itself with this movement - motive.
The movement can project its goal as an idea(l), to focus and to orient itself within the Flux.

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PostSubject: Re: Race Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:03 pm

Most degenerates will consider the extinction of Indo-Europeans as a 'positive'...living in their naive, win/win universe.
They only see the benefit of uniformity, and the reduction of differences....and cannot see or accept the loss, the costs of this uniformity.

Is the only thing lost is a human distinction?
No...because this distinction evolved over centuries of naturally selected traits that gave rise to Civilizations like Hinduism, Hellenism, Rome...
What is being lost is that ingenuity, spirit of masculine rebellion against authority, producing art and philosophy and technologies.
That loss will not be recuperated with education.
When it is gone, it will require centuries of stress and natural pressures to cultivate it anew.

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PostSubject: Re: Race Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:07 pm

Is race only about skin color?

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