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Truly remarkable how the universe works...its determining order.
It's all a matter of mathematics and odds.

1.5% of the population, belonging to the upper 5% of the intelligent quotient, amount to 99% of ownership.
A simple algorithm, multiplied by nepotism and altruism.
It's all divine fate.

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It's 'better to be morally right than to be factually, semantically correct'...yes the left is insane.
Psychotic.

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Fantastic video. Thanks.

The new/modern rightists correlating Nazism to leftism was a trend i noticed happening a while ago. It's a propaganda program by these new/alt righters to spin doctor history to assail leftists, as leftists assail them as Nazis. Political reverse psychology to turn the tables and progressively moralize themselves. They play the same mind games with the same demonization tactics.

The other factor is that the new rightists are psychologically, by generation, institutionalized by liberalism to a degree that keeps them in lockstep with their lefty enemies. They believe in equality, regardless if it's in a different way than leftists, its still part of the same sickness, the same cultural decadence. I also notice, that like leftists, the New rightists will shy away from Nazism and race, or delve into Nazism's intimacy with Aryanism which excludes them completely from liberal democracy for fuck's sake. The new rightists problem stems from the only one they have: They are mostly clueless or don't give much of a dam about understanding paganism or ancient European culture. They are modern, whether they know it or not.

I recall Tomislav Sunic clarifying the New Right as a break from the "extreme right" and directly in favor of traditional elements of democracy. In other words, Anglo-Saxon 17th century Americanism. The source for mainstream radical leftism.
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Keep in mind that this German guy, three-arrows, is a liberal.

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Keep in mind that this German guy, three-arrows, is a liberal.


Doesn't surprise me. Most thinkers are today. It's unavoidable. But the truth doesn't care who it speaks through.
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"Radical" Centrist faggotry, that dogwhistles antifa without quite being explicit.
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Capitalism isn't 'natural' to humans, most humans dont want to have more than they need for basic sustainance, European 'traditionalism' had to be uprooted by Protestants to create a mindset of, vaugely speaking, 'making more to make more' that was needed to faciliate Capitalistic demands, when European Catholic villagers were offered more, in hopes of that incentivizing them to work harder and longer to make more than previously, they actually worked less as they would always cease work when what they earned what they have always earned to sustain themselves and their families.
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Capitalism offers a higher form of acquirement of needs by abstracting them into facsimiles of fulfillment. Ted Kaczynski called them "surrogate activities". They favor capitalism, in the same way they favor Christianity or civic equality. It acts as a sociopolitical force of cohesion and order. The trade off of course, is the sacrifice of their autonomy and dignity and values, but they don't mind this. The spirit of slavishness and servitude, is one of "goodwill". The good will to obey and follow the status quo as long as you can have a right to 'private property' and feel like you are accomplishing something real and even go so far as to believe you are Godly if you have an excess amount of it. You can have a cage full of prisoners who have been in captivity most of their lives and when you leave the door open, only a few might have the courage to make a run for it while most of them freely choose to stay locked up. Its the essence of spiritual impoverishment and domestication.

Satyr attributes messianic nature to the value of money and its promise to uplift one out of their inferiority. This is their proposition; to exploit the positive side of the decadence. They, these so called libertarians, simply believe in the lessor evil of weakness and degeneracy while they criticize the other side of it. They see themselves as above it, without realizing they are a part of it. In an age of weakness and weak-mindedness, there are still competitors. They are merely reformers who believe in rejecting the advanced stages of the sickness and instead of wiping it out, they wish to return to the starting line and try again as if that will lead to a different result. They wish to remain in the cage.
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Spengler, Oswald wrote:
There is not, and cannot be, number as such. There are several number worlds as there are several Cultures. We find an Indian, an Arabian, a Classical, a Western type of mathematical thought and, corresponding with
each, a type of number — each type fundamentally peculiar and unique, an expression of a specific world feeling, a symbol having a specific validity which is even capable of scientific definition, a principle of ordering the Become which reflects the central essence of one and only one soul, viz., the soul of that particular Culture. Consequently, there are more mathematics than one. For indubitably the inner structure of the Euclidean geometry is something quite different from that of the Cartesian, the analysis of Archimedes is something other than the analysis of Gauss, and not merely inmatters of form, intuition and method but above all in essence, in the intrinsic and obligatory meaning of number which they respectively develop and set forth. This number, the horizon within which it has been able to make phenomena self-explanatory, and therefore the whole of the “nature” or world extended that is confined in the given limits and amenable to its particular sort of mathematic, are not common to all mankind, but specific in each case to one definite sort of mankind.

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Mathematics is also a language that can be disconnected from its relation to world.
Money is its 'symbolic' externalization. It used to refer to tangible products and services...but it has become idealized. Now money refers to concepts, in the mind, full of unrealistic promises.

Just as the Abrahamic one-god has been converted to Absolute-Order, via 'logos', so too is the 'saviour' converted to the analogous symbol of money.
The 'messiah' 'dies' - sacrificing himself for the 'sins of humanity' - to be resurrected as pure noumenon as purified ideology.
Humanity means 'world' in this context.
Money, or code, is the representation of the 'one', that is now pure idea with no 'corporeality', no reference to anything tangible.
Money is the Jewish Messiah, offering 'Paradise on Earth', in some eternally imminent future.
Through money the 'sins' - meaning the vices, the imperfections - of the individual are 'erased'.

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America has spread its identity problem across the globe, ever since the swift 'progression' of its confusion after the Civil War. Foreign presses egged it on the 'negro problem'. In a bid of unwise following, it responded to the European self-degradation by converting its confusion into its identity: it now has become the untenable and blatantly contradictory 'identity of no identity', 'country of all, nation of none' and its primary value its own destruction: diversity.
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Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote:
The spirit of our American radicalism is destructive and aimless; it is not loving; it has no ulterior or divine ends, but is destructive only out of hatred and selfishness. On the other side, the conservative party, composed of the most moderate, able and cultivated part of the population, is timid, and merely defensive of property. It vindicates no right, it aspires to no real good, it brands no crime, it proposes no generous policy; it does not build, nor write, nor cherish the arts, nor foster religion, nor establish schools, nor encourage science.
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It's a very relaxed definition of race that Saad uses when he identifies with 'white men'.
Whether you take the English - Darwinian - or the German - Spenglerian - definition of 'race' - what Yockey called 'vertical' and 'horizontal' - he is not a member.
In the victimhood' hierarchy list, he would belong to the elite.
What we witness here is typical of a self-corrective attempt to pull back the 'logic' before it exposes the motives.
Just listen to Peterson, Saad, Shapiro, Rubin, Yiannopoulos, D'Souza, Crowder and so on...and then find the common denominator.

Skin pigmentation is not the identifier of race.
Being dark-skinned does not make one a Negro, and being white-skinned does not make one Caucasian, nor European.
The 'white/black' simplification is a post-modern fabrication.

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>relaxed definition of race

Is this a recent video? "White" was offered to subversive ethnicities, and they rejected it. It won't be offered again - and desperation has led European races to concede there is no salient umbrella 'race'. They, subversive ethnicities, are scared of the fruits of what they sowed. Europeans are affirming their ethnic, real, identity. No longer is it about 'race' primarily, as non-white pale skins liked to exploit, but about ethnicity and genetic distance - just like those same ethnicities discriminated on. You can see 'leftist' Schumer:



Saxons, Norse, Slavs and Celts - they will start identifying on these terms, and discriminating against them will be called 'anti-Saxon', the same manner Semites have used. Or Zion will fall in exchange for the destruction of Europe, which is a trade most Semites are willing to make. If it means they can return another time, unchanged in their pursuit, and claim victimhood again.

If not (in regard to Slavs, Saxons, etc. identifying themselves), then it will just become worse.
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Only ghetto minded and ignoble proles, the sort which are pro-capitalist, capitalist canon fodder, call another 'racist' when their nationalist commitments interfere with their vanity and comfort. In females, this manifests as 'love', or the material enrichment of themselves, as most females are bound to pursue. In other words, the whole of the United States has become feminized. Arrogant men have guaranteed the decay and death of all their progeny and themselves through continued "living it up" debt and procrastination of the consequences - violent or otherwise. Father set against son, where the father would maim, kill or castrate the son if it ever sought to overcome its impoverished condition, feeding the hedonistic ends, paying for the decadence of, the forefathers. Any rebellion or even liberty by young sons, who never agreed to the debt, would mean the destruction of the forefathers' credit - guaranteed against their own children's lives... And a possible interruption of that decadence.

When a bankruptcy debt is discharged, prosperity is robbed from the people. The consequence of the amendments against indentured servitude, which served as debt repayment. Chattel slavery, and slavery in general, was not the same. Instead of enslaving one person, America enslaved the whole populace to its loaners.

One might argue there is a limit to the loaners' power... But, is this the case? When we see the promotion of pedophilia for economic sake, because sheer debauched novelty seeking increases the influence of their dollar... While both parties confusedly accept this, like it is a bad fever, as if the mechanisms which bring it about will disappear when only the symptom itself disappears - and inexplicably no one with power, but a scapegoat and easily accepted enemy, promoted by those with power, gets punished.
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He's a 'pressure valve'....barely average in intelligence and so narcissistic that he can be easily manipulated.
Another puppet.
They elect the one who will fit into a specific role, with a specific mission.  
They make the election of a specific candidate possible, or more probable than not possible.
But then two candidates is another either/or choice. Plan a or Plan B.

The 'swamp' will not be drained, until the cesspool is destroyed, and all the filth seeps through the cracks. Parasites thrive in swamps, and parasites are now infesting the host.

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The idea of placing some other standard, above 'survival', which includes propagation, is alien to the Protestant/Jewish i.e. American, mind-set.
All is reduced to the 'ego', the superficial appreciation of immediate gratification - similar to what animals use to direct their behaviour.
We are talking here of human degradation to the level of animal, i.e. manimal.

It usually follows some personal degeneration, loss of confidence in self, and in one's own ancestry, or as a product of race-mixing or some other form of genetic regression.
The other source is as a survival strategy, practices by a parasitical meme, that has now become a, well-known, symbiont - that shall remain unnamed. It is that which is king of all victims, rallying victimhood, to victimize. Irony of ironies, resulting in self-destruction - but this is also a well-known, survival strategy.
It is a form of 'survival' if we abandon our superficial understanding of survival, and we adopt Dawkins' 'selfish gene' hypothesis as a standard.
Here gene is extended, in meaning, into meme, making the concept a bit more complex for the average degenerate to follow - particularly when he or she is burdened by a genetically inherited predisposition to be a coward and a hypocrite: another form of self-preservation.
We have to keep in mind that, just as a lion need not know why it must risk life and limb to fight another lion, so as to propagate its genes, so too a human need not understand how or why it believes, with a passion, the things it does.
Awareness is not a telos. In fact it is detrimental, inhibiting, to natural defensive and offensive strategies.
The Modern degenerate need know only enough to validate its self-preserving convictions, as another needs to know to validate its self-propagating convictions.
In either/or scenarios, both the 'positive' and the 'negative' are expressions of the exact same motive.
The second, strategy, simply adjusts to the failure of the first. kit's a kind of 'plan-b', reacting to an unsuccessful attempt at 'planm-a'.

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As I've said before....the Cold War was a war over the spoils of war, after the real 'enemy' was dealt with.

The US became a Protestant-Jewish Trotsky internationalist state, and Stalin's Russia eventually became nationalist-Marxism, after it had repelled the parasitical variant, with the assassination of Trotsky, and mass purging. This explains why they hated Stalin and why they hate Putin, after he got rid of the, so-called, Oligarchs, after the fall of the Soviet Union had permitted a return of the parasites.
Putin set Russia on the path back to an earlier version of the same ideology, the same Nihilism: Orthodoxy.
It replaces Marxism as the Nihilistic variant the people must have to deal with their won individual self-awareness and the ensuring insecurities and anxieties it produces.  
Trotsky' perpetual revolution, has become the US's perpetual warfare, maintaining a steady state of internal anxiety, distracting the masses from their own existential angsts - materialism and consumerism is one way of dealing with anxiety.
Neo-Cons were crypto-Troskyites.
But they went too far, or they apply the method in cycles, of ebb and flow. Trump is a momentary reprieve, allowing the venting of energies accumulated from the previous cycle, culminating on this Desert War, waged under false pretences.
A period of forgetfulness, and inebriation, must prepare the masses for the next stage in the cycle.

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When degenerates speak of 'fascism' they include in the term everything that they despise, because it makes them feel bad, triggering their defensive nihilistic strategies.
They think of authoritarianism, violence, exclusion, rejection, hate, inequality.
When they think of Socialism they think of altruism, inclusion, forgiveness, love, equality, freedom, kitten hugs and puppy kisses.
A fathers stern hand and 'tough love' versus a mother's open arms and warm embrace.
One is about blood, the other about flesh.

Christian 'forgiveness' is prominent. To be 'forgiven of their sins' means to have their natural, genetic, imperfections, absolved of shame.
The Jews converted it to guilt.

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Marx supported the establishment of an international market, international banking, and the Marxist is totally confused that there might be Marxist bankers hijacking their precious Communism to justify their powergrabs/banking. Stupids.
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An often unstated prejudice is that the political ‘left’ is populated by intelligent, sensitive, minds, and the political ‘right’ by unintelligent brutes. There is some validity to this, but it is based on the difference between feminine & masculine demeanours.
Nihilism has no reference to reality to justify its claims, so it must find reasoning, in books, in text, provided by other minds; it must refer and defer to a pool of collected – collective – wisdom, a kind of ‘hive mind’; nihilism must refer its noetic constructs to other noumena, circumventing the indifferent 'viciousness' of reality that unintentionally, and quite naturally, contradicts their ideology.
So, a leftist must find language in books to validate his detached from reality idealism; an idealism that is always quite appealing to any ‘rational human’ that placing his welfare, and his codependencies, above all other motivations.
Intelligence does not discount the presence of cowardice; it actually implies it in the fact that higher awareness exposes the mind to more complex, more diverse probabilities that would not disturb the mind of a lesser mind.
To validate and hide his self-serving motives, and to wrap them in a ‘profound’ justification, a leftist must be well-read and must refer & defer to ‘impressive’ authors, text, and 'experts'; pop icons, and/or cultural idols whose mere mention will impress those of their own ilk. An example of how nihilism uses noumena – ideologies, theories – referring and deferring to yet still more noumena, i.e. theories, ideals, referring & deferring to theories and ideals with no reference outside this intercourse cycle; more colloquially called ‘circle-jerking,’ or inter-subjective solipsism, to be more pretentiously polite. By contrast a right-leaning mind needs no such reference & deference – unless he’s some kind of intellectual that no longer aspires to a career, accolades and popular admiration – because his ideas are validated by experiences and by reality; something even a simple animal does continuously, without requiring a philosophical grounding to validate tis perceptions and judgements – empiricism, we call it, the reference & deference to the apparent (phenomenon), towards nature and natural order. He may seek support in other thinkers but it is only to deepen his understanding and defend it from the conniving word-juggling machinations of clever feminine minds.
The masculine is always more direct, predictable, obvious... hiding nothing, and hiding from nothing. It is the feminine in all that is predictably sly and hypocritical. All individuals, being a synthesis of the feminine and of the masculine demeanour; degree determining how masculine and/or feminine the individual is. Additionally, the leftists prefer to mask their egotism, and selfishness behind the pretence of selflessness. The reasons are sociological, shaping a strategy that must defer to social dynamics, as the feminine is want to do because of her distinct role in the reproduction process. A certain talent for reading others, and for using language to seduce and manipulate is developed as an innate quality. The feminine is always linguistically more adept than the masculine, because her survival and her reproductive success depends on it; the feminine mind is entirely dedicated to inter-group dynamics, social status, relationships and maintaining peace and social predictability etc. Her apparent ‘selflessness’ is an expression of her innate selfishness, as entirely governed by nature. We see the evolution of femininity as the development of rounder, less openly threatening body/mind, imitating parent/infant psychology so as to ensure trust and care. The left has adopted this feminine strategy to achieve its socio-economic goals. It is always talking about selflessness and group cohesion, love and tolerance, promoting non-discriminating all-inclusivity, accusing any resistance to its ideals of being motivated by hatred and selfishness, i.e. of all that it pretends not to be motivated by, when, in fact, it is at the core of its psychology.  
It implies its own selflessness, when underlying its actions and choices are very profoundly selfish motives, similar to how parental self-sacrifice hides a deeper more intuitive selfish impulse; it implies that its own motive is based no ‘love’ and ‘sympathy’, the core ingredients of social harmony, when underlying its own apparent compassion is a fear, masked as love, hating all that threatens its exposure to the world beyond the group’s sheltering comfort.
The method is more intricate, involving more sophisticated tactics and applications of ego, when compared to the more direct and obvious method. So, it requires a more sophisticated identification of self, often involving projection and deference, and it, more importantly, involves a very complex method of self-deceit. For example, a feminine mind must identify with her offspring, with which it shared half her genes, so as to enable her to risk and sacrifice her very existence on its behalf; projecting self into other evolves to develop the maternal instinct of attachment. A similar method is used to develop inter-group cohesion in many social species, e.g. wolves, lions, chimpanzees... and humans.
It is the same method employed in the conceptualization of a universe. The mind projecting itself, 'noetically' into an 'outside' space/time – realm of spacelessness/timelessness, i.e. that which is non-existent – from where it conceptualizes the sum total of what exist, as a conceptual one, a whole, referring to its own abstraction. This, of course, is a mental trick, a method that if confused may produce many paradoxes, ironies, and the noumenon/phenomenon dissonance which almost always sides with noumenon, as the more malleable, intimate part of the dualistic relationship between I and Other, or between the Idea/Ideal and the Real, i.e. subjective/objective. The mind idealizes the cosmos by projecting itself 'outside', into the fantastically unreal. Only the mind can contradict space/time, in such a manner, explaining why and how Nihilism evolves in organisms where self-consciousness has emerged, beginning the Cartesian mind/body dichotomy.  
The more honest method would be to conceptualize the cosmos from the Bottom<>Up, or from within it, moving outward, without ever attaining the absolute completion implied by the words ‘one’ and ‘whole’. From within the cosmos we can only experience multiplicity, mutability, divisibility, (inter)activity. No paradoxes are produced when the noumenon, the idea(l), must adapt/adjust to the real, and not vice versa; idea(l) is forced to discipline itself to the real, and not the inverse.
This strategy of inversion and self-deceit requires the evolution of a sophistication, rooted in self-preservation, explaining why leftists are usually quite intelligent and intuitively aware of what they are doing, though few can ever admit it, reacting defensively when they are exposed to the possibility.

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Feminization has made any hint of masculinity something 'extreme' and 'radical'.
The ideal Modern citizen, 'open-minded', 'enlightened', 'well-adjusted' and 'healthy' is an a-sexual, and/or pan-sexual mindless nit-wit, that has no past, is determined by nothing found in nature, preceding the emergence of human civilization, i.e, nothing genetic preceding memes, and distinctly feminine in attitude and sensibilities.

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