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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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"May" be, "May" be not: The Devil in the Head.

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Ernest Gellner wrote:
"Modern philosophy, from Descartes onwards and including the present generation of philosophers, can be defined as belief in the devil. What gives post-Cartesian philosophy unity is the daemon. Descartes invented him, but all the others believe in him.

Why and how did Descartes invent him? As is well known, Descartes, surveying the chaos of past errors, and noticing that even the greatest absurdities were believed by someone, hoped that reason could lift itself by its own bootstraps and liberate itself from all possible error. But to do that one had to start from scratch. Now, if you want to start from scratch the main difficulty is to find the scratch; to find that firm point from which the totally new but safe departure is to be made. This is where the assumption of the devil comes in. Assume an evil-minded and all-powerful devil whose aim is to frustrate you, and above all to frustrate you in attempts to know anything about the world.

Now try, just try really seriously to make this assumption and see which of your convictions stand up to it: very few, if any. Still, there might be some convictions that survived. There may be some convictions which even on the assumption of the malignant daemon who interferes with us, must still remain indubitably true. If indeed there are such, then they constitute the scratch. They must be the bedrock, the firm and truly reliable base, the foundation of a new edifice. Now just this was the function in Descartes of the assumption of the devil: to use it as an acid test, as a means of isolating that which is really certain, from that which only appears so. Note that for this it is quite unnecessary for the devil really to exist; only the assumption, not the reality, is required. And as a matter of historical fact, Descartes did not believe in his existence. On the contrary, he believed that the truth of rigorous thinking was underwritten by a benevolent God.

The particular firm base that Descartes managed to locate by his device is well known: I think, therefore I am. I may doubt everything, but the doubt itself is a case of thinking, and therefore I exist. Whatever can be doubted, whatever may be suspect as a possible front of the devil, one’s own existence cannot. This argument can be interpreted in (at least) three ways: as what contemporary philosophers would call a pragmatic paradox, as hinging on the fact that the occurrence of a doubt is itself an instance of thinking, and hence the existence of thought is proved by the very doubt itself. Or it can be interpreted as an argument from the certainty and indubitability of the immediate data of consciousness. Or again, it may be interpreted as the argument that an activity entails an agent, a manifestation entails a substance of which it is the manifestation. Whichever of these interpretations we adopt, the arguments conveyed have interesting subsequent histories.

For most philosophers after Descartes, the devil was far from fictitious. They did not assume his existence, whilst remaining quite confident that he did not exist. No, on the contrary, they firmly believe that he exists. Subsequent philosophers can be classified according to how they identified him. The first theory was that the devil was our own mind. It was our own mind which organized the systematic misrepresentation which Descartes feared but did not really think went on. It is our own mind which makes us believe in the existence of things which are not truly there, or obscures the existence of those which are. There are many variations on this theme. For instance, it may be held that our mind misleads us by trusting the senses too much; but it has also been supposed that it misleads us through indulgence in abstract thought.

The second major theory is that the devil is history. This theory grew very naturally from the earlier identification of the daemon with mind. Thinkers such as Locke or Hume thought they were carrying out their investigations into the human understanding, or human nature as such; that by dissecting the mind they would be able to tell us enough about the habits of this one daemon, so that anyone anywhere could be forewarned. Not that Hume, for instance, was unaware of something that we may call cultural relativism; still, basically it was the same mind everywhere, the same devil.

The transition from identifying the daemon with mind to identifying him with history came after Kant, and was perhaps implicit in some of his views. If for Kant truth was still unique, error was not random. Error as much as truth reflected the structure of the mind (perhaps more so); such basic errors as exist are external manifestations of something essential in us, and they will for that very reason tend to appear in certain patterns. The errors that we find on looking back at the history of thought are not like the random dispersal round the bull’s eye, a tedious record of trial and error with more error than trial. On the contrary, they are more like the figures on the Swiss clock which appear regularly.

But if error can be deeply revealing and even have a tendency to appear in certain patterns, then why should not the same hold of truth? Indeed it is only a small step to such a conclusion. After Kant, it was less often taken for granted that mind was manifesting itself almost identically in all men. And the source of systematic error was no longer to be sought in the mechanics of mind but in history, in the temporal, geographical, social background of knowledge. The devil who interferes with our apprehension of reality had assumed a new shape. Historicist daemonologies such as the Marxist or the Spenglerian contain accounts of how the daemonology is itself exempt from daemonic distortion, or even of how the daemon himself guarantees its truth.

This historical devil is far from dead today. But whilst the doctrine that man is a slave of history is still alive and kicking, it is not the dominant one at present. The ruling daemon at present, at least in this country, is language.

The manner in which the linguistic devil developed out of the historical one is a subtle business, but there was a logical connection. The development went something like this. After Darwin, the daemon of history was joined by the related daemon of nature. Naturalism accompanied or replaced historism. Under the influence of the advance in biology, theories that the daemon is nature flourished. Pragmatism is the best known of these. Thinking, valuation, knowledge were all to be seen as natural processes governed by laws common to all nature. The tiger’s claw and the giraffe’s neck were, fundamentally, the same kind of phenomenon as geometrical reasoning, or the ten commandments.

This amounted to handing over thought bound and gagged to nature. Some philosophers resisted the various isms—psychologism, historism, naturalism— that is the interpretation of knowledge and truth as the manifestation of this, that or the other power controlling thought, controlling us altogether. These philosophers sought refuge from these daemons in logic, and contributed to a revival of that subject that took place towards the end of the last and the beginning of this century. The new interest in logic was motivated in part by this determination to see thought as really true and really false, rather than as a display of devilish tricks.

Logic profited greatly as a result of the new attention it received, though philosophy in the end did not.
Problems arose even in logic, and in consequence of investigations into the foundation of logic, it came to be held that logic is not such an error-impervious strong-hold after all. Logic is rooted in language: and thus the modern linguistic devil came to be born.

There is also the quite celebrated psycho-analytic or unconscious daemon, descended from his minddevil ancestor via Schopenhauer with an infusion from the biological member of the family.

I have suggested that types of modern philosophy since Descartes can be seen as rival identifications of the daemon as the mind, as history, as biological nature, as the Unconscious mind, as language. This might be called comparative diabolics. But there is another interesting way of grading modern philosophers which could be called differential daemonology.

At one end of the scale we can put those who decide to fight, who want to outwit the devil. Having come to the conclusion that he exists, that there is something systematically interfering with our pursuit of knowledge, they decide that it is their task to find ways and means of getting past him (of devising stratagems against him). These are the philosophers who give us rules of thought, who supply pre-fabricated methodologies which if carefully followed will act as charms against error; these philosophers give us formal recipes for what truth or meaning must be like. They see themselves as a kind of Intelligence Service of knowledge, ferreting out agents provocateurs amongst us and sending out spies to tell us of the enemy’s plans.

At the other end of the scale are those who in a way draw the logical conclusion from the fact that the daemon is all-powerful. If the deceiver is indeed all-powerful, what point in trying to outwit him? If the deceiver is all-powerful and systematic, cannot his deceptions be re-named—truth? Can we not make our submission and have done with it? There has been many such collaborationists among philosophers. They should hardly be called traitors, though the charge of trahison des clercs is in part levelled at them. Yet theirs was not treason, for they argued that their policy must prosper, the enemy being ex hypothesi allpowerful. Philosophers of this kind do not devise strategies, they try to smooth the path of occupation by explaining the pointlessness of resisting, and even of wishing that one could resist. Pointless lament, used roughly in this sense, became almost a technical term in recent philosophy. (Philosophers of this kind explain to us, for instance, that it is pointless to wish to know what things are really like as opposed to what they are like when seen and touched by us; that it is pointless to wish to know truth other than as conveyed by some language, and so on.)

Of course, there is no need for every philosopher to be either an all-out resister or an all-out collaborationist. Many or most of them are dispersed somewhere along the spectrum separating the two extremes. One may consider oneself capable of outwitting the daemon in some spheres and not in others.

Thus, for instance, Kant stood somewhere in the middle. His major work, the three great Critiques, is essentially a study of the various habits and doings of the mental daemon. The daemon was held to be invincible to the extent that we could not do without him, or break his habits, but he was not invincible to the extent of being able to hide his tricks; at least not after Kant had uncovered them for us. We had to go on living with them, but at least we knew what they were. The more pernicious ones, those tempting us into wild-goose chases, could be neutralized if not extirpated. And in one sphere, Kant deified the daemon; by equating morality with rationality, he equated moral truth with what the mind imposed.

Those who collaborate with the devil often justify it by giving him a good character. There is the sociological theory which makes out deceit to be important for the sake of social cohesion. A man will in some sense subscribe to beliefs which he does not really consider true because they are in his view the devices of a benevolent daemon, even if no longer an all-powerful one. Thus men may subscribe to mythologies which have, they think, desirable political or social functions. This is truly a case of helping a poor devil who can no longer deceive but who pleads good intentions.

Contemporary philosophy in this country has in the recent decades started out from an outlook which intended to outwit the devil by means of a perfect language and logic; these were intended as a kind of holy water that could keep him at bay. Any time the sulphur of metaphysics or of a seemingly insoluble problem was smelt, the incantation of a reduction of the problem in good logical grammar would restore order. Since then, however, whilst the devil continues to be identified with language, there has been an almost complete swing over to deifying him. Thus whatever language does is ipso facto O.K. The main school, the Oxonians, stand for the enthusiastic restoration of Oldspeak. At present they are such enthusiastic collaborators that their main joy is hunting out resisters caught with some of the old logical weapons still in their hands.

The most recent version of the linguistic devil is interesting in that the sphere in which the devil must be fought has shrunk very much indeed. All the common activities, scientific or ordinary, are fairly free from undesirable machinations. It is only past philosophical theories, whether metaphysical or positivist, that reveal his doings. A curious reversal! In the past, ordinary unreflective experience and thought were sometimes considered as the veil past which the philosopher must penetrate to find true reality. According to the new school, it is the veil which is reality; the doctrine that it is the veil is an illusion, and the only one. Descartes started a new philosophy by doubting virtually everything. This new school has started another by systematically doubting nothing. (This is known as Common Sense or respect for ordinary usage.) Or to use another parable; philosophy is still seen in terms of Plato’s cave, but the philosopher’s job is now said to be to lead us back into the cave." [The Devil in Modern Philosophy]

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 9:24 am

Black Panther wrote:
Safe to say I am not even scratching the surface....

Perhaps you need sharper claws?

If you run your finger around a pentagram long enough you may develop a sense of belonging, one that can possibly justify that budding predatory beast within you, but will Satan be a great director? A tamer of sorts, who bridges the gap between reality and modern infection, allowing reality to enter into you and at the same time allowing the infection to grow when act is committed.

Look at that satanic warm embrace he offers those girls, is your feminine side curious about similar protection? Now what could that possibly amount to? In the face of reality, perhaps it will send you from one fear to another..

Choose your savior...

oh?

You're not tempted to try and out do him are you?
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 1:35 pm

My question is this.

A value-system aiming at abolishing or at least speaking against the absolutism of monotheism, while Simultaneously advocating the preservation of diversity seems like a parody…

What can be the point of recovering pre-monotheistic origins of semitic wisdom, while hailing the right to israel at the same time? As if, any nation, any entity would ever, ever give up the lust to rule any which way over another?

All is will-to-self-assertion.
Aesthetics of assertion separate from the pure power-drive - the animals are left behind.

Stands have to be taken. Else it becomes non-sensical.


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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 1:45 pm

Regarding your comment on "its better to be a powerful and healthy female than a feeble male, at any time" is stuck on pure social power.

That statement needs more qualifying - what is real power, where is male feeble - who stops him from keeping him healthy?, what does he stand to lose in the small and big picture, is power even the right slicer or does man feel stong elsewhere and is that any good? etc. etc.

Address the rest later.

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 1:48 pm

Lyssa wrote:
My question is this.

A value-system aiming at abolishing or at least speaking against the absolutism of monotheism, while Simultaneously advocating the preservation of diversity seems like a parody…

What can be the point of recovering pre-monotheistic origins of semitic wisdom, while hailing the right to israel at the same time? As if, any nation, any entity would ever, ever give up the lust to rule any which way over another?

All is will-to-self-assertion.
Aesthetics of assertion separate from the pure power-drive - the animals are left behind.

Stands have to be taken. Else it becomes non-sensical.


All things are born from war - Heraclitus.

I affirm Israel not because of their own notion of their right, but because, without any theory involved, I like their fire. I like that certain Jews have taken up the sword. I loathe pacifism. Id always stand with Israel against the Arabs, of course, I stand by my ancestry, I love the intellect (which the Arabs loathe) and I love war, and I loathe Islam, and the people advocating it...
And yet I do not make the claim that this is Justified in some other terms than my own;

what the goal is, to my mind, is for all of us to explicate our actual, living, inborn values to each other an ourselves, and based on this form alliances and strategies. No one will ever convince anyone else to change their values - rather, we can look deeply into values to see what they're worth, what they'd amount to if followed through;

My loyalty is with Odin, not with the Jewish God - but Odin loves war, and knowledge, and scheming, too - basically, Europe must have a lot of patience, endure a lot more dishonor, suffer for ten more years certainly, find more truth, see the consequences of its alliances, and produce a new generation, before Odin can come back.

But he will come back. Of course his return will be in the form of strife.
The world needs to turn still a bit tougher for him to be able to appear.



In as far as Zionists are working to enforce shit down our throats, they are my enemies; in as far as the wreck the middle east to restore their temple, they are admirable warriors. Not because their temple represents absolute truth or anything close to that, but because its an Earthly goal in a region smothered with Hinterweltlingen.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 1:56 pm

Lyssa wrote:
Regarding your comment on "its better to be a powerful and healthy female than a feeble male, at any time" is stuck on pure social power.

That statement needs more qualifying - what is real power, where is male feeble - who stops him from keeping him healthy?, what does he stand to lose in the small and big picture, is power even the right slicer or does man feel stong elsewhere and is that any good? etc. etc.

Address the rest later.

I consider a man weak if he walks the treadmill and makes a life out of that.  This is pure surrender, weakness, absence of individual power, no self-valuing integrity that works consciously, he is by all means a slave, and a component of a greater machine, not himself a real being.

To being such a man, I would prefer being a woman who does not walk the treadmill; that is to say, I prefer to exist, than to not exist.

I consider most humans to only partially exist.
In as far as one lets oneself be commanded how to act and prescribed what to value, one is not an entity. Most humans wouldnt know what it is to be an entity; one must be of strong birth to renounce the prescriptions.

A man can still walk the treadmill and forsake its truth in his own time, then he is struggling as a form of strength. And yet he does not escape the sickness.

Only when a man sets his own terms and is able to live by them, is he strong, free, virtuous, worthy of being. Such self-set terms are more often than not cultural choices; for example, the Roman man of culture, to whom being banished would be a fate worse than death. The only solution for such a man would be to conquer the city, merely for the right to inhabit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 2:09 pm

Look, if the story of the founding conquest of Israel wasnt so moralized, if it was just a war-story, it would be a beloved myth across the globe. Its a beautiful story of guerilla warfare, one of the few long term successful outcomes of such tactics. It includes terrorism and a great deal of cunning, but overall it is the story of an ancient will shaped of some material that we have largely lost touch with.

This oldness of their will, this is also what Nietzsche valued in them.
Like N, I am capable of judging without blessing or condemning - a trait unknown to the Christian, for whom taste and theoretical ethics are muddled so for neither to exist in their own integrity.

It does seem like in practical terms, the ones who have followed through the philosophy of the will to power with the greatest zeal are the Zionists. Under Odin, the men and women of the northern shores would always seek to learn from anyone who has gathered power through knowledge.

To trick a man in battle was regarded as a high act, worthy of Odin.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 2:23 pm

Let's say my Ethics, when it comes down to judging and weighing (the relative, where condemnation and blessing are absolute) political movements and powers, is almost purely in terms of staying true to the Earth.

So when a Zionist bulldozers a field of Olive Trees on Palestinian soil, my stomach turns and I imagine, naively perhaps, the old Jewish settlers rolling in their graves. There is much to loathe in Israel. But when I see the greens forced out of the deserts inhabited by the Jews, and compare it to the grey-brown Earth all across the Arab world, then I know these are fundamentally valid people, they know how to be on the Earth. The Arabs do not; they rather know how to live in the heat of the moment and their validity is not as masters; quite obviously, given their capacity to hold on to utter nonsense as a guiding principle. They were given the oil by fate, Pluto has been on their side. When in health they are striking people, and their ways to the Earth are so simple as to be poetic rather than realistic; the main thing I admire in Islam is the protocol for physical hygiene. What I look down on in the Israelis and modern Jews, is their kitchen - this is perhaps the thing that prevents them from becoming great like the Greeks; they separate meat and dairy... terrible clumsiness. Also the whole refusal to eat pork is a bad habit. Pig meat is good, makes men big and strong and light headed in the fight, as it can absorb so much poison. Semites are known to not hold their alcohol, and in general their god can be seen as a result of a high acid saturation. Still, in the light of the total barbarism of the middle east since Alexandrian influence waned for that terrible scholar of the 12th century, the Israeli scientific power is a delight to me, but this is in no small degree because I was raised by an agnostic Jewish scientist, and have those genes clocking my engines too.


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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 2:34 pm

Quote :
If the "first step" is to take the bull by the horns, its a call for a Theseus, a Wagner, a barbaric-romantic hero.

If it is to ride and direct the bull away into dharma, its a call for a Dionysos, an Achilles, a plutonic-excess hero, where the arena itself has to be widened, the context made pro-found with higher aims, the bull becomes small...
The pic. is marked under Saggitarius, the Archer-Direc-Taur of Jupiterian Excess

What follows is the sensual becomes elevated over the sexual, the beautiful stage of the Greeks. Hebe is replaced by Ganymede, a male center of gravity.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 3:01 pm

perpetualburn wrote:
Quote :
If the "first step" is to take the bull by the horns, its a call for a Theseus, a Wagner, a barbaric-romantic hero.

If it is to ride and direct the bull away into dharma, its a call for a Dionysos, an Achilles, a plutonic-excess hero, where the arena itself has to be widened, the context made pro-found with higher aims, the bull becomes small...
The pic. is marked under Saggitarius, the Archer-Direc-Taur of Jupiterian Excess

What follows is the sensual becomes elevated over the sexual, the beautiful stage of the Greeks.   Hebe is replaced by Ganymede, a male center of gravity.

Its well phrased, to take the sexual by the horns;
to create a hero out of the sexual -
the character is first purely sexual but in an ordeal turns more refined, and stronger, and a new violence emerges as character;

such a hero can not live without a heart that is named in such terms as Dionysos or Poseidon Earthshaker - or Zeus Cloudgatherer - gods that tear open and enlarge the world, lightning and stormgods, and chtonic monsters of the soul that devour morality, all these are welcome in the life of the hero. The antiFaust; one simply weighs ones soul in gold and take the deal; to become what one is, is to sell ones soul to life itself. This is what the Greeks did, their profound superficiality, their uncompromising being by virtue of it not even being deep enough to compromise; one either is, or isn't; and this is how it should be, or how happiness is made. This is what Heraclitus means with fire, why fire is character and fate, and why it devours that waters of Thales to return being to the cauldron of timeless oblivion after all the goods are spent. The planetary system is the ecstatically whirling circumference of orgiastic wastefulness that is the foundation of all temporal being, that is to say of all becoming; against the backdrop of infinite possibility, spendthrift is the only path to substance, and substance is like the crown of a Geisir.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue May 31, 2016 10:03 pm

By the way, L - I very much appreciate your move to correlate Judaism with paganism in the beloved sense; my historical breadth isnt as great as yours so I can only enjoy the fact of it - a nice surprise.

Ill try to not drag it down in gross modernisms.

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Short - if Satan is The Accuser, he is the Questioner of Values.
Satan is a Philosopher - the only one in the Bible, and the enemy to God, as has become explicit in the Sunni faith;

Satan is philosophy.
Not to say that philosophy is Satan. We know better; Dionysos is wholly unbeknownst to these heathens.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyWed Jun 01, 2016 6:55 am

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All things are born from war - Heraclitus.

I affirm Israel not because of their own notion of their right, but because, without any theory involved, I like their fire. I like that certain Jews have taken up the sword. I loathe pacifism. Id always stand with Israel against the Arabs, of course, I stand by my ancestry, I love the intellect (which the Arabs loathe) and I love war, and I loathe Islam, and the people advocating it...
And yet I do not make the claim that this is Justified in some other terms than my own;

In as far as Zionists are working to enforce shit down our throats, they are my enemies; in as far as the wreck the middle east to restore their temple, they are admirable warriors. Not because their temple represents absolute truth or anything close to that, but because its an Earthly goal in a region smothered with Hinterweltlingen.

what the goal is, to my mind, is for all of us to explicate our actual, living, inborn values to each other an ourselves, and based on this form alliances and strategies. No one will ever convince anyone else to change their values -

rather, we can look deeply into values to see what they're worth, what they'd amount to if followed through;


That's exactly what I'm talking about, when I say stands have to be taken - as in stand-ards have to be taken.

If followed through, - and there has been a whole pattern set by history of following through, where it has been made very plain what values have amounted to, and their worth.

"What has Israel or Islam or whatever amounted to when followed through?" - is asking for The frame of action; 'the' as in what one has objectively ranked as the most efficient paradigm of survey, and valuing there-with, with respect to the kind of world/ideal one wants to bring forth.

What would Israel amount to when followed through? - what is the frame of action to contain such a question?


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Some knots that need disentangling.

A man can be the most depraved criminal by day and exhibit an astonishing talent for art and painting by night. Someone else may excel at documenting papers in the right category and with the efficiency of a supersonic flight, and be an average cook or a bad dancer. Or as discussed before, the admirable power of a virus before a vulnerable humanity or compared to a Napoleon…
The great human being is great, because he comes as a redemptive power to all history; makes whole the scattered and gives it a form, lifts it off its chaos; there is a discernible evolution and one is "objectively" able to speak of the bar being raised. This is because a new aesthetic is born that shows life in a richer, elegant way,, whether the average possesses the instruments to grasp it or not. If the blind are unable to see, doesn't mean the sun doesnt exist.

Note that the Apollonian has a positive and a negative pole.

In the positive pole, the great human being is as above - an Orderer, a grand Simplifier who like an aphoristic swordmaster wants to pack the wisdom of attained humanity in three sharp, clear strokes, a bolt of lightning into a sun, a bay of clarity past all the hedges of chaotic forms and disinformation. He cuts right through to the Heart of things, and wins the sun for all.

In the negative pole, he is the neo-Plotinian who sees becoming and flux as an evil, the hybrid reality of variegations existing side by side, excellence and mediocrity juxtaposed so close together, this dissonant scatteredness as an evil, reality as a dis/ease that needs "healing" and attempts to "make whole" again, that which is "fallen" - because the presumption that true reality is an abs. whole, has been taken as an a priori - as in the semitic Tree of Life.
Its why N. quotes Byron saying, the tree of life is not the tree of knowledge.

Hairline differences in motive, spell and spill into a pathos of distance, of gulfs.

The plutonic aesthetic of living beyond pleasure/pain is a standard for those passionate to confront greater and greater reality, as it is - the good and the bad.

What it is not, is a resignation to reality.
That was the Schopehauerian romanticism.

Meaning, reality IS hybrid like the minotaur.
Resigning to the fact that reality is a hybrid, cannot be an objection to life.
It Is flux.
It is the becoming of various phases of various entities juxtaposed together in various degrees of interaction.

When Theseus slays it, it shows its true form in re-turning again as Dionysos, the higher reality principle.
The overcoming of smaller realities opens way to insights into higher realities.

That one can see the good and bad in everything, does not amount to saying Affirmation should be a preservation. This is a resigned romanticism.

slay :
"instrument on a weaver's loom to beat up the weft," Old English slæ, slea, slahae, from root meaning "strike" (see slay (v.)), so called from "striking" the web together. Hence the surname Slaymaker "maker of slays."


The 'slayer' as one who 'strikes the web together' in architecting or con/templating a fabric clashes with, amidst, and over many hybrid realities. When he manages to hold it together, a fabric or a fable - the Apollonian illusion of an Olympia is the outcome, a bedrock upon which the turmoil of a terrible culture raises a tremendous civilization.

Higher realities are outcomes of intense, pro/creative clashes.
Diversity is not preserved to promote agon. It has to be the outcome of an agonistic selection.
Agon must exist primordially to bequeath a richer diversity, a hotbed of meaningful forms as a result of selection, not as a prior principle.

In this sense, the hybrid minotaur has to be slain, not preserved.
The dissonance has to be borne out into an intenser form - we call 'halcyon'.

The genius as the expression of the daemonic/maximum differential power to hold as many contradictions in one's breast, is a genius, because of his ability to organize and the manner in which he organizes them [aesthetics], and *because* he organizes them.
There is a Resolution, a resolve behind it, that lifts all the chaos up into a star - a direct-ion, a peak perspective.

Perspectivism helps "Us" see that reality is a hybrid, each with its own centre of self-assertion.
It is "Not" a god's eye that automatically sanctions and sanctifies the holiness of all perspectives.
It is an acid-test, not a law or a rule, that spurs man on, to "come-to-attain" that spirit, that height of will, whereby, "He" manages to interpret, and import "a" necessity, "an" inter-connectedness to the hybrid turmoil and make of it an ecology. He gives it His liveliness.
The shape this takes shows the quality of his will-to-power, for there is a fine balance between standing dominant over things, and how much one needs to abstract and impose relations, needing to see meanings everywhere, to feel secure about himself.

A cow grazing, flowers blooming, rivers flowing, everything engaging in its own 'innocence', is a Perspectival-Lever to get man to do what He Must, and Not simply to Resign to such a reality.


Back to the topic of Israel, Islam, etc.

Even the most intellectual jewish thinkers were in no doubt that what you look down upon - the monotheistic zeal of the Zionists, is a Logical conclusion of the inverted tree playing out its consequences.

You say, if it weren't for their moralizing ethics, they would be admired as courageous fighters.
But that's side-stepping what reality was - they wouldn't have been able to fight at all, if they hadn't renamed what was good as evil, and what was bad as good.
Deploying this as a temporary strategy of survival is one thing, but believing in this deceit, and and marketing and imposing this deceit as truth is what has emboldened a Zionism into presence.

This re-naming is an artificial canopy, a false shelter, within which, the fighting spirit manages to manifest and flourish.
What is their true mettle once this is lifted?

And let alone that, to what end does this fighting of the Israelis lead to, if not a world in its own image on all? Cutting the frame-of-action before this, is mis-leading.

Its foolish to think that Israel is going to be sitting there, once its dispute for existence has been secured against Palestine, and is simply going to mind its own business!!

The lust for power and self-expansion is an innate reality in all things; Zionism and the imposition of a total world state either politically through embargoes/sanctions/treaties, etc., or memetically through esposuing secular humanism, where the ideal man has been apriori stamped by its will, will now be stamped upon the world…

The idea of a value-system that looks down on absolutism while simultaneously advocating for a diversity that includes an entity bent on erasing diversity is so self-defeating.
Like an escapist procrastinating in useless diversions that will amount to the opp. of what he claims he wants.
How is this not plain to see?

Tell me, if Zionism were to end today, and Israel recognized as a lawful state over such and such geography, then what?
Is the messianic ideology going to change, when one will be forced to justify the memory of so many dead?
Even if there is an Israeli leader, who dares to give up on this monotheistic madness, would the people let him forget? Will he not be the first one to be butchered by his own kind?

To expect that the world will carry on in anentropic harmony, all self-maintaining with each other, forming productive alliances is unrealistic, simply because, wherever there is a power-vacuum, someone is always going to jump in to exploit it to their maximum.
There are so many just like you, who admire the fighting spirit for its own sake, and this means, winning at any cost - even if it means inverting reality, re-naming reality, secluding and excluding reality…  plenty of ways to win...

It is not I or you or anybody, but ideally nature itself throws up, comes alive in forms that take it higher. Growth is a throbbing impulse that fans the flame to achieve more rigor. Plutonic disgusts operate epigenetically whenever one is asked to feel consoled or take comfort in success won any which way, in mere survival. When easy admirations are not given refuge, character-standards are born, a style is born.

Long story short, the difference you introduce between what you admire and what you resist about Israel, is an artificial difference producing a false hybrid. Such false fragmentations is what characterizes the proliferation of modern cancer.
Freud himself saw this continuity between the wisdom of the kabbala and Zionism.

Islam pitted against the Israelis is another false difference and an internal problem, as it is a product and splintering of the same messianic instinct.

Here's recalling a very interesting quote:

Nietzsche wrote:
"The Christian church is an encyclopaedia of prehistoric cults and conceptions of the most diverse origin, and that is why it is so capable of proselytizing: it always could, and it can still go wherever it pleases and it always found, and always finds something similar to itself to which it can adapt itself and gradually impose upon it a Christian meaning. . . . One may admire this power of causing the most various elements to coalesce, but one must not forget the contemptible quality that adheres to this power: the astonishing crudeness and self-satisfiedness of the church's intellect during the time it was in process of formation, which permitted it to accept any food and to digest opposites like pebbles." [Daybreak]


In other words, cleverly joining to itself a multitude of branches, a composite, Xt. managed to triumph "passing off" for a real organic hybrid. This way, it could present itself in a manner whereby one is unable to say No to it in a pure black and white way. Posing with some parts as useful, while some parts continuing to be desireless, it managed to present itself as necessary evil. It forced one to admire the charity, the philanthropy, the schools, the hospitals and all that spirit of charity and kindness as the expression of its existence,,, while simultaneously taming, emasculating, destroying all voluptuous vitality at the other end.  Xt. conservatives are the worst scum of the lot, they lead in the name of "prosperity", of "big-heart", etc. etc.

Modernity is a conglomeration of such artificial hybrids posing as the hybrids of reality.

It comes to a position where, if you deny the artificial hybrid,, you will be shamed as a "reality-hater". This is the Girardian "scandal", where the devil makes you a reactionary to the extent you behave and become just like them, rendered and reduced into their mirror double.

It has inserted itself as a European problem, when it really is not.
Semitic factions that have splintered from the same nihilistic root now pose as false hybrids, turning modern people into schizophrenics - living one life, thinking another. Splintered standards and loyalties, splintered characters, splintered fates. It has rendered them passive, vascillating, and indecisive, as one is not able to say yes or no in one breath.
Good and bad comingle that one cannot make up their minds anymore,, they let go of the rei(g)ns, and push it aside to mull over for another day. It is never resolved.

If we see that the classical minataur is the hybrid product of a breach in promise, left to widen,
modernity - the semitic aftermath, is the hyrbid of a breach in perception, left to widen. The renaming of becoming as false reality, and being as true reality has fabricated itself into reality as the one true reality.

This has to be 'slain'.

Apollonian aesthetic: The more it turns the world into zombies, it is going to have nothing to eat, and will have to eat itself up and die. The few who resist will build a world upon this mammoth ruins.

Dionysian aesthetic: To eat your way into and out of it like an acid, overcoming via affirmation, widen the arena and becoming a monster to the monster, or a monster-tamer. That is, to ride out the problem and exhaust it into a higher perspective, a higher direct-ion.

Or, or…    is why we do philosophy.
Other approaches to hybrids.
Other routes and rules of engagement for an even higher aesthetics.

The Germanic tree of life and the Hebraic tree of life are so different. Odin's cunning and sorcery is not meant to cheat life; there Is a Ragnarok.

These differences are not pertinent at the moment.

I am just pointing out the Practical impossibility of simultaneously advocating against absolutism And advocating for a pluralism that involves an identitarian entity bent on affirming its absolutism.

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyWed Jun 01, 2016 7:03 am

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By the way, L - I very much appreciate your move to correlate Judaism with paganism in the beloved sense

In a thread on Satanic freedom, wouldn't the appropriate part be playing at the least the Devil's advocate, if not the devil herself?

Quote :
Short - if Satan is The Accuser, he is the Questioner of Values.

"To strive for the forbidden."

Transgression is a crime, knowledge is a dis-crimination.

Quote :
Satan is philosophy.
Not to say that philosophy is Satan. We know better; Dionysos is wholly unbeknownst to these heathens.

Satan is the philo-, the desire, the passion for the real true, ideally.

And Sophia?
So vile and veiled…

N. thought she was Baubo.
I think she must be something like the astrological Lilith… a troll full of schadenfroh...

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If the "first step" is to take the bull by the horns, its a call for a Theseus, a Wagner, a barbaric-romantic hero.

If it is to ride and direct the bull away into dharma, its a call for a Dionysos, an Achilles, a plutonic-excess hero, where the arena itself has to be widened, the context made pro-found with higher aims, the bull becomes small...
The pic. is marked under Saggitarius, the Archer-Direc-Taur of Jupiterian Excess

What follows is the sensual becomes elevated over the sexual, the beautiful stage of the Greeks.   Hebe is replaced by Ganymede, a male center of gravity.

Wagner, who charmed all and inflamed in them a "heavy" passion…

And thanks for the new pointer.

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyWed Jun 01, 2016 7:36 am

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Lyssa wrote:
Regarding your comment on "its better to be a powerful and healthy female than a feeble male, at any time" is stuck on pure social power.

That statement needs more qualifying - what is real power, where is male feeble - who stops him from keeping him healthy?, what does he stand to lose in the small and big picture, is power even the right slicer or does man feel stong elsewhere and is that any good? etc. etc.

Address the rest later.

I consider a man weak if he walks the treadmill and makes a life out of that.  This is pure surrender, weakness, absence of individual power, no self-valuing integrity that works consciously, he is by all means a slave, and a component of a greater machine, not himself a real being.

To being such a man, I would prefer being a woman who does not walk the treadmill; that is to say, I prefer to exist, than to not exist.

I consider most humans to only partially exist.
In as far as one lets oneself be commanded how to act and prescribed what to value, one is not an entity. Most humans wouldnt know what it is to be an entity; one must be of strong birth to renounce the prescriptions.

A man can still walk the treadmill and forsake its truth in his own time, then he is struggling as a form of strength. And yet he does not escape the sickness.

Only when a man sets his own terms and is able to live by them, is he strong, free, virtuous, worthy of being. Such self-set terms are more often than not cultural choices; for example, the Roman man of culture, to whom being banished would be a fate worse than death. The only solution for such a man would be to conquer the city, merely for the right to inhabit it.

People see just the social power, and forget how modern women are in fact the most owned by the institution.
Protection is not guarantee of authentic freedom or individuality.

And what terms can man not set because of modern women, and is that the only way to authentic living?
Aporias everywhere, calls for more refined sophistications or a grand simplicity.

I do not equate cultural sublimation with civilizational repression.

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyThu Jun 02, 2016 2:27 am

Black Panther wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:
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If the "first step" is to take the bull by the horns, its a call for a Theseus, a Wagner, a barbaric-romantic hero.

If it is to ride and direct the bull away into dharma, its a call for a Dionysos, an Achilles, a plutonic-excess hero, where the arena itself has to be widened, the context made pro-found with higher aims, the bull becomes small...
The pic. is marked under Saggitarius, the Archer-Direc-Taur of Jupiterian Excess

What follows is the sensual becomes elevated over the sexual, the beautiful stage of the Greeks.   Hebe is replaced by Ganymede, a male center of gravity.

Its well phrased, to take the sexual by the horns;
to create a hero out of the sexual -
the character is first purely sexual but in an ordeal turns more refined, and stronger, and a new violence emerges as character;

such a hero can not live without a heart that is named in such terms as Dionysos or Poseidon Earthshaker - or Zeus Cloudgatherer - gods that tear open and enlarge the world, lightning and stormgods, and chtonic monsters of the soul that devour morality, all these are welcome in the life of the hero. The antiFaust; one simply weighs ones soul in gold and take the deal; to become what one is, is to sell ones soul to life itself. This is what the Greeks did, their profound superficiality, their uncompromising being by virtue of it not even being deep enough to compromise; one either is, or isn't; and this is how it should be, or how happiness is made. This is what Heraclitus means with fire, why fire is character and fate, and why it devours that waters of Thales to return being to the cauldron of timeless oblivion after all the goods are spent. The planetary system is the ecstatically whirling circumference of orgiastic wastefulness that is the foundation of all temporal being, that is to say of all becoming; against the backdrop of infinite possibility, spendthrift is the only path to substance, and substance is like the crown of a Geisir.


The wedding of Zarathustra to Eternity.

The fear of Death still reigns.
The clinging and attachment to forms.

When ancestors die, you meet and greet them again in your children, in another configuration.
The death of that unique, particular form is mourned, but the wise also see the self-love, in welcoming Its lust to live out all possibilities, in this combination at this time and place, and that combination at some other time and place.
The 'self' explores its own efficiency.

This does not mean death is trivial, or there is no loss.
The Apollonian affirmation of form - being, must persist enough against chaos, to cultivate a personna and character that lives on, that endures.
At the same time, the Dionysian lust for life must be real-ized in becoming - as the fury of the genius to re-assert itself wearing another hood…
The astral natality of the house, environment one is born, the parents one has, friends, partners, children, scope, luck, and other matters that can be pulled within one's orbit is a con-sequence of mindful, ex-orbit-ant living pressed from and explored over generations.
Exorbitant interests is a common term for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; but in the voluptuous venetian sense, the excess for life, the palace of wisdom.

Ideologically, yes, many parts of our ecosystem are dying.
Endangered species are dwindling, and may even go extinct.
The same goes for certain tribes of people, and forms that may be lost.

It is to be mourned, and an effort for preservation is needed, in as much such endangered forms are the consequence of the stupidity of some retards on the planet.

It is not to be mourned in as much assisted preservation and farcical guarantee of "right to exist" will only provide an artificial climate for retards to thrive.

All forms must face, and will face eventually the test of natural selection, "universal human rights" existing or not existing.
Artificial guaranteed diversities, that are products of a fear of Death, are fragmenting cancers, multiplying like moss all over the globe.

This too shall pass.

Some Old forms shall Re-new, in life's thirst for the ring of life.
Excess (jup.) of the Nuptial (ven.) Virgin (merc.).

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There is no relation between the Tree of Life and Yggdrasil; there is none, except that they are opposites, in the way that you point out; the very essence of Yggdrasil and the Runes is the non-absolute nature of things. This is what I mean when I say substance is like the crown of a Geysir, too - it is only in the Chokmah aspect of the Tree of Life; the aspect of pure relentless extension, activity, that there is a link to the Odinic; this pure activity is after all not contained in any form, thus it is not absolutized in any specific way, except for 'being force' - which indeed is already an absolutization. I doubt not that Einstein has used the Tree of Life extensively to arrive at his formula, which is a way of unifying pure force (c) with pure form (m) in the form of energy (e), which is the integration of both (relative motion) and relates to the middle pillar.

Anyway. It will not do, it will not satisfy any tastes either, to try to homogenize traditions; and to homogenize the Hebrew with the Odinic is like unifying blue cheese with maple syrup; it negates anything of value in both.

My philosophy demands a cosmology that exists within the Unknown, a runic cosmology that builds itself out of human excess - acts and will, 'folly unto wisdom'; this is what I mean by 'setting ones own terms' ; to bring oneself out of the ground like a spring, to dig oneself up and release into the world. This is Dionysos and why he is related to Odin - and again Chokmah, the pre-systemic sephira, the sphere used to identify the Berserker nature of being before it becomes tamed into a society.

Do not forge that Israel lies in the desert, and that the desert has need of .... barren laws.... laws that count with barrenness, with limits. Saturnian.

Europe is lush, rich, a paradise. It must live under different laws and gods. The two should not meet, nor should the world be considered "One" so as to demand that only one of these styles of being exists.

Islam is a product of Judaism, a very direct product, and a purely subservient product. Yes, the two are one and the same problem, and it is a problem that should be resolved where it emerged; in the godforsaken desert.
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyFri Jun 03, 2016 6:35 am

Its because I had not forgotten Israel is in the desert, I said,

Lyssa wrote:
"Deploying this as a temporary strategy of survival is one thing, but believing in this deceit, and and marketing and imposing this deceit as truth is what has emboldened a Zionism into presence…
There are so many just like you, who admire the fighting spirit for its own sake, and this means, winning at any cost - even if it means inverting reality, re-naming reality, secluding and excluding reality…  plenty of ways to win…"


Today, its Israel, tom. it could be any other entity using any kind of deceit to flourish and triumph, and is one expected to admire this for its own sake?

Is one expected to admire the "fighting spirit" of some low life using the environment of his "abused home" as a justification to normalize weakness into society? If a Narcissist manages to build a whole township full of casinos and theaters and amusement parks, to bask in his self-reflection, should we admire his 'creative genius', even if at bottom, he is a weakling hedonist sick of life? And so on and so forth, plenty of examples one can think of.

If everything is merely to be judged in its own light, then any and every imbecile could be valued as a genius, as a thing of beauty.

If everything is already valuable, then value comes to have no value.

If stand-ards are not taken - i.e., a frame-of-action, then it all becomes non-sensical.


In the narrow frame, appreciating the fighting spirit of Israel that has used a whole falsification of reality - in the larger frame of tomorrow is spelling death for the planet.

Concepts, notions, falsifications, helping things thrive with no reference to reality - the disconnect from the phenomenal world has become so entrenched, there is nothing but simulation left. A dysgenics of pure simulacra. Things like honor and truth - pure simulation… the goddess has departed.

Do you not see?


What I cannot see, in any case, is how, even if there should be some leader advocating the tree of life in new terms, will not be put to death for 'impiety', for attempting to re-write history anew…

Nevermind Freud, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - the most philosophical jewish thinker Openly said, the "jewish problem" cannot be solved, and instead presented "continual dialogue" with "athens" as "the" "solution".

To him, the three Zionisms were all too intertwined, and cannot be separated. The interconnection was both the problem and the solution at once, they cancel and augment each other;

1. Political Zionism - without which, there would be no 'promised' land to flourish and persist as an entity.

2. Cultural Zionism - the secular jewish-diaspora who have integrated into europe and other parts as their land, and therefore no jews at all in the proper sense of jewish identity stemming from one who believes in the Lord's promise of a promised land.

3. Religious Zionism - which is the rabbinical belief in revelation and chosenness, existing only as wanderers and settling nowhere till the coming of the messiah, refusing all political existence.


These false hybrids juxtaposed together, are artificial differences, empty red-herring complications, and schizoid fragmentations from the deceit of cheating life, inverting reality using mere words.
One lie prolonged, proliferates into more and more lies… parading as truth, strength and success…

That which you admire is at bottom, Their hedonistic fear of pain, of death, of becoming, that has become Transposed on the whole of Europe, and the World as The problem.

An internal problem pulling down everything. Not that Plotinus or the hellenic period is excused in any way.


Should Israel be guaranteed its land in the dispute with Palestine, its foolish to think, they would be doing anything new than continuing to immerse the world in their "truth" that helped them "flourish" "successfully"…

What Could Israel amount to, but that?

What Can Israel amount to?...

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Broad points.


1.

Affirmation is a degree of one's capacity to cleanly, courageously relate to not just their ancestral past, but the whole organic and inorganic past beyond the human world.



2.

Success and duration is no indicator to the quality of an entity's will-to-power.
N.'s critique of (social) Darwinism stems from this insight, that the triumph of weak-will forms by cunning, is not a true progress. Weakness multiplies to level down life itself.
At bottom, every entity uses whatever immoral means to self-assert into duration, because of which, it is always possible to identify those master-types that do Not want to win at any cost - beyond pleasure/pain, victory/defeat, gain/loss.
They are character-standards who take the path of maximum resistance and differentiate themselves with a style.
Conatal Preservation alone amounts to nothing. Else even a cockroach can be admired for its resilience, having endured and persisted for over a billion years.



3.

There is the cunning of the weak that uses deceit to rob life of its highest attained standards and pull values down, so it can stand up.
And there is the cunning of the strong that uses deceit to make possible life-sustaining illusions, and the freedom to pull one up to life's heights.
And then there is the strong, who do not even need deceit to carve the highest standards.
Nature separates men, will-types, standards.
In the evolutionary frame-of-action, what does a deceit amount to? - whether its life-diminishing or life-enhancing and what kind of life is enhanced, etc. should be the guiding question.


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To insist everything be and can only be appreciated in its own light, betrays a hatred for the organizing power that is man, and life itself.

To stand on top and assess, arrange and assign ranks - a hierarchy, is the most natural and freest activity of the consciousness, which at its most powerful, translates to the philosophical instinct of the law-giver.

Life is an efficiency that is an organizational passion.

To insist that it should not be possible to compare, co-relate, and arrive at superior/inferior rank arrangements, and everything be appreciated only in its own light, is an inefficient life-diminishing stand, one that is against Philosophy itself. The nature of Philosophy is to discriminate all things into rank-standards.

To this, one will argue, there is no 'absolute god's eye-view' from which to make such judgements.  I agree.

But that there isn't, doesn't mean that life itself doesn't strive to attain that apotheosis of maximal efficient.

That there is no abs. singular perspective in life, does not mean, one should not want to attain to it. All entities strive to pre-dominate, to stand on top, to be god-like.

To argue that just because there is no 'god's eye-view', all things should only be appreciated within its own monad, is a Resignation to chaotic reality, to the sphinx of many eyes.

This is why a value-system that simultaneously advocates against absolutism, while promoting pluralism that involves An  israel that strives to become abs. god is hypocritical, and non-sense at best.

All entities want to become god.
Its pretentious to advocate nothing should impose on the other, and even more pretentious, while simultaneously advocating the right of something to become its utmost value.
Sure one can say it, but they wouldn't be reflecting real reality - life Is pure exploitation, capitalization, expansion, self-assertive imposition upon another, the striving to be absolute.

No two values Can be compared, and because that is so, a 'philosopher' who maintains that no two values Should be compared, resigns to life, makes resignation itself into a value, and de-selects his own self and self-valuing.

Highest life-forms are fragile owing to their powerful senses and lust for the highest organization.
N.'s task was to ponder how these fragile forms could become more consolidated without losing elasticity.
This requires a self-reverence, an eagle's view, an elevated will - in short the maximal conscious discriminating power to fearlessly set worth and ranks. This is man's highest innocence.



5.

Strength is an excess-relation to Death and mortality.

A child asks its father, what happens should an earth-quake destroy our home?
The father replies, we begin again.

A human who says, "False forms have to be shattered and mercilessly destroyed with no sentimentality." would be called an "evil person", a "hater", etc.

Should a natural cataclysm, a tremor, a cyclone, an avalanche, a tornado wipe out and shatter to ruins a whole land,, wouldn't the one or two surviving begin again? And one or two seize in it a chance to break old tablets, and start at wisdom from Scratch, a renewed tree of life, beyond the loss/gain of old tablets…?

The courage to acknowledge something wrong as wrong, and not justify and falsify it further with this or that excuse.
Not cling to false forms like some egyptian mummification to preserve it after death.
In such sense, N. said, it does not matter where one comes from, but where one goes that shows true origin.

Should one wait for a natural destruction to derive an Impetus to start Fresh, start Anew?
Where is that man who is such a cataclysmic force of nature? The barbarian from above, who destroys to create… a new day anew..

The power of Dagaz…


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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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Satyr wrote:
"The word cosmos [κοσμος] has its etymological roots in cosmima [κοσμιμα], from where the English get cosmetics - "jewel"."


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"Cosmos: from Latinized form of Greek kosmos "order, good order, orderly arrangement," a word with several main senses rooted in those notions: The verb kosmein meant generally "to dispose, prepare," but especially "to order and arrange (troops for battle), to set (an army) in array;" also "to establish (a government or regime);" "to deck, adorn, equip, dress" (especially of women). Thus kosmos had an important secondary sense of "ornaments of a woman's dress, decoration", (compare kosmokomes "dressing the hair") as well as "the universe, the world."

Pythagoras is said to have been the first to apply this word to "the universe," perhaps originally meaning "the starry firmament," but later it was extended to the whole physical world, including the earth. For specific reference to "the world of people," the classical phrase was he oikoumene (ge) "the inhabited (earth)."

One can think of the army troop of Satan who was "thrown across" [lit. diabolos] the universe...

To the ancients, the sacred protective firmament - Kosmos [not universe] was a bride, adorned and bejwelled in a Veil of stars, where life became possible in contrast to the other dark spaces bereft of life - Khaos.

The first 'grace', or venetian charm - related to Greek kharisma "favor, divine gift," from kharizesthai "to show favor to," from kharis "grace, beauty, kindness".
Charis was the name of one of the three attendants of Aphrodite related to khairein "to rejoice at," from PIE root *gher- "to desire, like"...

A nuptial song with the charming bride...


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"The first time ever I saw your face
I thought the sun rose in your eyes
And the moon and the stars were the gifts you gave
To the dark and empty skies, my love

The first time ever I kissed your mouth
I felt your heart beat close to mine
Like the trembling heart of a captive bird
That was ther at my command, my love

And the first time ever I lay with you
I felt your heart so close to mine
And I knew our joy would fill the earth
And last 'till the end of time my love
And it would last 'till the end of time

The first time ever I saw your face, your face,
Your face, your face"






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Under the Mantle of Love…

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"Pan-dora, gift-giver, signals in one name, three meanings: "she is the giver of all gifts", "she who was given all gifts", "the gift of all the gods". [Hurwit 1995]

The "scales of balance" of the external fire stolen by Prometheus, and ending the "golden age" of abs. "wholeness", is off-set by the internal fire hidden in the piths/pyxis or box of Pandora, starting the labyrinthine generation, of the hybrid mingling of good and bad, or to J.-Xts., good and evil.

The Promethean fire of dis-crimination, of culture is a crime that is dis-Mantled by Pandora's fire of civilization.
[The words es-cape and mantle as hood and cloak are related.]
The spinal column balances between the fire in the head, and the fire in the genitals; Evola spoke of the relation of the genius to the daimonic...

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"Following the non-Hesiodic tradition of the myth, Pandora is Gaia, Mother Earth, the first woman, and wife to Prometheus, who created her out of water and earth and brought her to life with fire. Here, her container is a horn of plenty which contains all the provisions to feed mankind, and as such connotes fertility. The Pandora of Hesiod's tale, on the other hand, is created by Zeus to avenge the gods and punish Prometheus' theft of fire from them. When Pandora opens her box out of curiosity, all the ills of the worlds are released. When the lid falls shut, only hope remains at the bottom of the box. In this account, Pandora is a femme fatale whose beauty, charms and seductiveness ultimately bring about his downfall; and here, her box represents nothing other than the female body, the threats and allures of her sexuality. In a Freudian reading then, the box as an image of concealment as well as mystery, generates a metaphoric relation to the female genitals, which, unlike the phallus, remain hidden and invisible, conceal a secret dangerous to man. Her box in this sense does not so much contain gifts to mankind, but is Gift to him, hope remaining trapped in the box, and unavailable to mankind.

The Pandora myth therefore tells two stories, or we might say, speaks in two tongues. Pandora brings hope and/or ills; she brings remedy and/or poison to mankind; in short, when she opens her container, she unleashes the pharmakon. Thus, not unlike Plato's doubly translatable term pharmakon (writing as poison, and/or as remedy), which, as Derrida shows, came to be inscribed differently by its translators in the tradition of philosophy (sometimes as poison, other times as remedy), so our fork-tongued Pandora has come to be inscribed differently by her mythographers (sometimes as hope for mankind, other times as his ills)."

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To the Gnostics, Pandora was the chaste seal of affirmation, the seal of the kiss, the "unbroken knowledge" of the nuptial-Eve before her 'temptation', and the Hesiodic "fall", became their "original sin" - reality itself with its mingling of good and bad was seen as a sin, an evil;

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Hesiod wrote:
"So said the father of men and gods, and laughed aloud. And he bade famous Hephaistos [Vulcan; the god of fire] make haste and mix earth with water and to put in it the voice and strength of human kind, and fashion a sweet, lovely maiden-shape, like to the immortal goddesses in face…

...and Athene to teach her needlework and the weaving of the varied web; and golden Aphrodite [Venus] to shed grace upon her head and cruel longing and cares that weary the limbs.

And he charged Hermes [Mercury] the guide, the Slayer of Argos, to put in her a shameless mind and a deceitful nature.

So he ordered. And they obeyed the lord Zeus the son of Kronos [Saturn]. Forthwith [Hephaistos, Hephaestus / Vulcan] the famous Lame God moulded clay in the likeness of a modest maid, as the son of Kronos purposed.

And the goddess bright-eyed Athene girded and clothed her, and the divine Kharites [Charites, Graces] and queenly Peitho [Persuasion] put necklaces of gold upon her, and the rich-haired Horai [Horae, Seasons] crowned her head with spring flowers. And Pallas Athene bedecked her form with all manners of finery.

Also [Hermes] the Guide, the Slayer of Argos, contrived within her lies and crafty words and a deceitful nature at the will of loud thundering Zeus, and the Herald of the gods put speech in her. And he called this woman Pandora [“All-Gifts”], because all they who dwelt on Olympos gave each a gift, a plague to men who eat bread."[ib.]

"Pandora is an archetype containing the archetypes of all of the gods.

Pandora represents our Divine Mother.

Zeus said, "Do not look inside of the urn.” It is the same command as given in the Garden of Eden,

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"And the Jehovah Elohim [Prometheus / Zeus] commanded Adam, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

“But of the tree of the knowledge [Daath] of good and evil [the urn], thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." [Genesis, 2]

When you place a seal on the urn, when that urn is first delivered, it is chaste and pure, unbroken. It is knowledge (Da'ath), pure, untouched. But when, in our ignorance and curiosity and foolishness, we enter into that, we look inside of that urn, we defile it because we are foolish. That is how the forces of Prometheus invert, and become Epimetheus / Satan, who is chained to the rock: sex.
This is a great agony. That chain is the karma.
The liver is an organ that purifies our blood. The blood is the vehicle of our karma (our karma is carried in our “blood”; i.e. our genes)."

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Nietzsche, of course, differentiated I.E. crime from Semitic sin in his BOT.



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To the Neoplotinians, Pandora who contained in her the gift of all gods, the archetype of all archetypes, was the binding Demiurge;

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Spenser wrote:
"For when the soule, the which deriued was
At first, out of that great immortall Spright,
By whom all liue to loue, whilome did pas
Downe from the top of purest heauens hight,
To be embodied here, it then tooke light
And liuely spirits from that fayrest starre,
Which lights the world forth from his firie carre."

What Spenser appears to be saying in this passage is that Venus, the ‘fayrest starre’, is to be seen as an ‘immortall Spright’ from whom ‘soule’ emanates.  She is placed at ‘the top of purest heauens hight’, from whence all who live to love (that is, to aspire towards reintegrating themselves in Venus’ celestial manifold) didst descend.  Her light is thus ‘embodied here’, in the material world by means of her ‘firie carre’ (i.e., the planet Venus) which ‘lights the world’.  In other words, Spenser here presents a more or less complete picture of his Venus, portraying her as a Heavenly demiurge whose function is to mediate between the spiritual realm of the Forms — above the World Soul — and the concrete world of matter.  This, then, seems to be a composite Venus who bears similarities both to Ficino’s Heavenly and Vulgar Venuses.  On the one hand, Spenser’s Venus in Of Beavtie is clearly shown to be a goddess of the Intellect, much like Ficino’s Heavenly Venus.  Yet, on the other hand, she is also the same figure who impresses the Forms upon matter — a function filled by Ficino’s Vulgar Venus.

One of the primary roles played by Spenser’s Venus in the hymn is that of the pattern which shapes the world.  Spenser describes Beauty both as the ‘goodly Paterne’ and the ‘wondrous Paterne’ cast by the ‘great workmaister’ in order to mould and fashion the world.What Spenser appears to be saying in these two stanzas is that Venus is the means through which the Demiurge is able to shape the cosmos; she is the pattern by which his ordering faculty is imprinted upon the prima materia.  Bennett identifies this doctrine, in which Venus is not ‘one of several archetypal Ideas’, but rather ‘the sum of the Ideas’ as one which is exemplified in Pico, but is a general feature of Renaissance Neoplatonism. In this way, we can see Spenser’s Venus as not only being of the Intellect, but as the Intellect; she is, for Spenser, not one of the Forms, but the totality which is both comprised of them and at once supervenes over and contains them.

Anamnesis.

Nearer to our own time, the idea, nourished by the Neoplatonic tradition, that the soul retains the memory of its place of origin but can no longer perceive it, is expressed by Shakespeare through Lorenzo’s love for Jessica:

Shakespeare wrote:
"How sweet the moonlight sleeps upon this bank!
Here will we sit, and let the sounds of music
Creep in our ears; soft stillness and the night
Become the touches of sweet harmony.
Sit Jessica. Look how the floor of heaven
Is thick inlayed with patines of bright gold;
There’s not the smallest orb which thou behold’st
But in his motion like an angel sings,
Still quiring to the young-ey’d cherubims;
Such harmony is in immortal souls;
But whilst this muddy vesture of decay
Doth grossly clothe it in, we cannot hear it."

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"To strive for the forbidden" - whether Prometheus or Pandora, the right to wholesome knowledge as in nuptial love, becomes initiatory. Tests set by "Venus" to "Cupid and Psyche" [venus' mirror double], becomes in Xt., a case of sexist differentiation between the active evil of prometheus' theft of the forbidden, who has to be restrained to a rock, and the passive evil of pandora who cannot restrain herself from that which is forbidden;

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"Harrison comments that Zeus ‘takes over even the creation of the Earth-Mother who was from the beginning’.
This is confirmed by Hesiod’s description of the silvery robe and embroidered veil with which Athena clothed Pandora and the exquisite crown that Hephaestos made for her:

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"And the goddess bright-eyed Athena girded and clothed her with silvery raiment, and down from her head she spread with her hands a broidered veil, a wonder to see; and she, Pallas Athena put about her head lovely garlands, flowers of new-grown herbs. Also she put upon her head a crown of gold which the very famous Limping God made himself and worked with his own hands as a favour to Zeus his father. On it was much curious work, wonderful to see; for of the many creatures which the land and sea rear up, he put upon it wondrous things, like living beings with voices: and great beauty shone out from it."

The beauty of this creation was none the less to be a deception to humankind Hephaestos, having fashioned Pandora from earth and adorned her, brought her before the gods:

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"When he had made the beautiful evil to be the price for the blessing (of fire), he brought her out ... to the place where the other gods and men were. And wonder took hold of the deathless gods and mortal men when they saw that which was sheer guile, not to be withstood by men."

The legacy of both myths, combined in the antithetical prose of John Chrysostom in the fourth century AD, shows how taken he was with Hesiod’s idea of woman as a ‘beautiful evil’ (Greek: kalon kakon): "What else is woman but a foe to friendship, an inescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a desirable calamity, a domestic danger, a delectable detriment, an evil nature, painted with fair colours?"

Phillips points out that there is a ‘tantalizing hint’ that one version of the story that came before Hesiod’s story 'presented a man or a woman with two jars, one containing kalon - good, and the other kakon - evil, and left humanity to choose. By Hesiod’s time, or perhaps by his own hand, the two jars had become one and Pandora had become a kalon kokon.'

The image of the female figure with two jars or urns may carry the same idea as the Minoan goddess with her two snakes, and the urn used for storing oil or wine, and even for burial, was found all over Crete and ancient Greece. The precise contrast of ‘hindsight’ and ‘foresight’ in the names of the two brothers supports this further suggestion of a choice between opposites, and indeed Origen explicitly compares the story of the forbidden urn with that of the forbidden fruit. Also Hermes, the guide of souls and trickster god of imagination and divine curiosity, who gives Pandora her name, voice and wily nature, plays a similar role to the serpent in that both disturb the status quo and precipitate change.

It was Erasmus who, anticipating quite exactly the notion of a Freudian slip, turned pithos, jar or urn, into pyxis, box (slang for female genitals), so imposing an indelible sexual innuendo on the original vessel, once the sacred body of the mother goddess containing and conferring all the gifts of life and death. Dora and Erwin Panofsky put forward the interesting idea that Erasmus’ ‘mistake’ was a fusion or confusion of Pandora with Psyche, the bride of Cupid (the Greek Eros), son of Venus (the Greek Aphrodite), in Apuleius’ tale of Cupid and Psyche in The Golden Ass. Psyche, in the last of the tasks set her by Venus, is given a pyxis, which she is to carry down to Hades and fill with a little bit of Persephone’s beauty. She obtains the pyxis, ‘filled and sealed’, but cannot resist the temptation of opening it, when she is overcome by the vapours released from it and faints, only then to be rescued by Cupid. The point of the analogy that probably appealed to Erasmus, already steeped in the tradition of Eve, was the capacity of women to succumb to temptation, and so to place subjective desire before objective command."

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In Calderon’s drama, "The Statue of Prometheus," Pandora is not the first mortal woman, but rather retains the image and attributes of a goddess.  Presented with a very attractive box as a present, Pandora is curious but unsuspecting as she disregards the prohibition and opens the vessel.  The two brothers, Prometheus and Epimetheus and their allies fight over her and all sing in despair "Woe to him who saw good change to bad, and bad to worse."  (Panofsky  & Panofsky, 1962, p 119).  In the end Prometheus marries Pandora with the union as a metaphor for the harmonious fusion of art and science.

In 1773, Goethe wrote a play about Pandora, a life-long interest. In the play, Prometheus stoops before the image of Pandora, addressing his self-made statue with a paean of praise:

Goethe wrote:
"Pandora, sacred vessel of all gifts that are delightful under the broad sky on the infinite earth….all that which I have ever tasted as a pure radiance of heaven and a calm pleasure of the soul…all this – my Pandora."  (Panofsky & Panofsky, 1962, p 123).  

She is presented as an innocent beautiful bright girl who has learned from her father the secrets of life and death.   Later in 1806, Goethe was attracted to a lady whom he gave the pseudonym Pandora.  When she left he wrote a second play, "Pandora," in which Pandora loses her lover and is left with grief and longing for his return.  Goethe suggests a connection between the myth and madness, and the relationship between art and the irrational.

Pandora has been painted and sculpted by artists of the ages in many different styles.   Henry Moore did several sculptures of Pandora.  For Dante Rossetti, Pandora is depicted as a sensuous beauty with deeply shadowed eyes, holding a golden box from which a cloud of evil spirits escapes.  Swinburne described the painting as "among Rossetti’s mightiest in God-like terror, an imperial trouble of beauty, shadowed by the smoke and fiery vapor of winged and fleshless passions crowding from the casket in spires of flame-lit and curling cloud around her fatal face and mourning veil of hair."  (Panofsky & Panofsky, 1962, p 109).  Paul Klee’s drawing (1920), conveys the traditional psychoanalytic symbolic meaning of Pandora, representing Pandora’s Box as a kantharos vase with evil escaping as vapor through a thinly disguised representation of open female genitalia.  Max Beckmann’s painting (1947) depicts an explosive fiery scene, as a metaphor for devastation.  In this connection, Pandora is not infrequently encountered in the writings and cartoons of the news media, i.e., with reference of the horrors of war, the Holocaust, and the  epidemic of HIV. Pandora’s box has become a general metaphor for the eruption of violence and destruction.  Pandora, in the ancient myth, also represents the phallic, castrating, devouring witch of literature and fairy tale.  Faced with the technological capacity to destroy civilization, humanity, like Epimetheus, may become wise too late.

Pandora’s box also represents the conscious or pre-conscious personal and/or familial secrets, contained or suppressed within the box.  Shared secrets, in silent collusion, become important components of the relationship between the secret sharers.  Secrecy and silence of the object world exacerbates traumatic experience, often associated with the isolation of affect, with parts of the self and object kept compartmentalized in a Pandora’s box.  The traumatized person, often sensing that a dark secret is being withheld, is afraid to open the box; curiosity is inhibited.  The traumatized person may be left in doubt about what happened in reality. Affective awareness may be further blunted by concern for the welfare of love objects.  In the case of child abuse, an adult authority’s false claims that nothing really happened, or that all that happened was innocent will further the child’s denial of reality.  The child may be left in perpetual doubt.  If the child feels caught in an abusive quandary with no exit, then hope too is sequestered in Pandora’s box.  For persons with fragile reality testing, massive denial of external and internal danger may eventuate in a psychosis.  Pandora’s box could lose its symbolic or metaphorical meaning and encapsulating function."

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Flowers hold whorls and worlds of secrets, enclosing one after the other. "Tearing down the veil" and "delving deep into the mysteries" is the modern fetish [fatisso, from Portuguese feitiço "charm, sorcery, allurement," noun use of an adjective meaning "artificial"] with toxins and intoxications; flowers become furs...

Venetian beauty has an "over-perfect", "over-complete" sense of artificial plasticity to it, observable in the near pandora doll-like faces of many Taurean and Libran models.

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One repercussion of the Promethean myth setting off the decline from the golden-age, is men now no longer dine with the gods, or partake of the food of the gods - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the "unbroken knowledge":

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"In the story of Cupid and Psyche as told by Apuleius, Psyche is given ambrosia upon her completion of the quests set by Venus and her acceptance on Olympus. After she partakes, she and Cupid are wed as gods."

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Likewise, in Vedic mythology of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] between the gods and the demons, makes surface up the nectar of immortality, ocassioning the wedding of Vishnu and Sri, whose name like Pandora means "all-endowed"/"prosperity"/"victory conferring sovereign mark", yet also "elusive, fickle and changing as fortune"…

In many paintings, the ambrosia is depicted in a small pithos held by a pharmako-poet, whose spilled nectarine drops create sacred spaces of hope and resistance to the fallen iron age:

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The myth is a metaphor for breathing/the churning of the mind and the hidden unconscious, by the coiled kundalini around the spinal column. The release of ambrosia as opening of the 1000 petalled flower chakra - re-turning the fire to the head.



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Nietzsche writes in WTP, to question oneself is already a sign of a broken instinct, in the sense,
perfection rests on unhesitant execution, self-mastery of instincts become first nature.

It is satanic to question, to lust after every "X", to pry open and peer into the abyss... introspection as with Hamlet is a broken seal, opening the box of the unconscious, that could paralyze the self with immobility, indecisiveness, paranoia of evils lurking, doubt, distrust… the self is dis-Mantled.

One could read that as the pain of individuation, or as the fragmentation of being into shards of mirrors.
One either attains to innocence, or de-composes into a chameleon of shifting anarchic centres, a mirror double of the hy-bridal many-eyed Sphinx, a Jesus of dis-Mantled "un-bound" love.

The tragi-comedy of those who feel the Satanic rush of freedom and individuality, while being the ones still sheltered "in the box" is a modern dis/ease. But its a mistake to assume that Satanism is only all that is dirty, filthy, messy; it is also a Pleasure from Over-perfectionism - the over-clean, the over-pure, bloodless, techne driven vir-ility of beautiful bodies and viagra masculinities. An apocalyptical [lifting the veil] VenUsed-virgo...

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"The unreal world of Virtual Reality.

Etymologically, ‘virtual’ signifies strength and manliness. Lee Quinby, in his essay on “Virile Reality,” could have left the term “virtual” unaltered because the idea of virility is definitely contained in the virtual. For Quinby, Virile Reality is “mediated violence, clean war, and computer games” (Quinby, 1999, p. 1083) necessarily producing a “Viagra Effect” which is “a union of simulation and flesh that assumes penile erection to be the be-all and end-all of sexual pleasure” (p. 1084). Through Viagra, sexual virility is put at the center of sexual culture, but it resides there not as a real quality (openly adopting a full-fledged macho posture) but rather virtually.

Viagra dematerializes desire and turns it into a virtual quality that is always potentially available and can be made present at any moment by a drug: “The assumption seems to be that if you can get the penis ‘functioning’ properly, desire will follow and/or simply be enacted” (Marshall, 2002, p. 136).

What all this means is that the Viagra vision of sex does not negate the existence of desire nor does it declare desire to be ever-present, but that it incorporates desire into its mechanical model in the form of an ever-present potential quality. By declaring desire to be neither present nor absent but virtual, scientists circumvent the existence of the soulless ego-body described by Robert Redeker.

How can the body be soulless if there is desire? For Viagra scientists, undesired, disinterested, “mindless sex ‘like a battery man’ (i.e. in the fashion of an automaton)” (Potts, 2004a, p. 5) is simply impossible. For them, the Viagra body is not a machine-body with a techno-implanted desire, but a “natural” body that has been refashioned until it has become “more ‘real’ than the real thing” (Mamo & Fishman, 2001, p. 21).

Using Redeker’s terminology, we can say that inside the Viagra-enhanced “appliance-body” of constantly flowing energy, the drug will finally work like nature: “The user is unable to tell where his body leaves off and technology begins; it is a seamless, ‘natural’ integration” (Mamo & Fishman, ibid.). However, this is a fallacy because “real” desire has no place in the Viagra model. Real desire is not a potential quantity readily available within a linear script of foreplay to intercourse to orgasm. It is part of a politics of pleasure “fought out” in real space." [Thorsten Bornstein, Viagra and the Virtual]

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"This [apocalyptic masculinity] is manifest in the combat myth as described by Norman Cohn, with the man-killing wars that Revelation revels in, as well as the brutal treatment of Jezebel and the gleeful cannibalization and burning of the Whore of Babylon (Cohn 1993). Such portrayals remain popular in contemporary Christian youth culture which fuses super heroes with archangel figures. Christian comic books, for example, promote versions of manhood which foster identification with millennial masculinity as a blurring of supernatural and human macho. Such seemingly innocent pieces of religious entertainment and instruction keep patriarchy palpable.

The third component of apocalyptic masculinity is perfectionism. The ideal of perfection is the culminating millennial moment of the Revelation, that longed for eternity without death or disease, without enemies to defeat, indeed, without women. The dream of perfection emerged within the patriarchal context of apocalyptic thought. It has lasted into the modern era by entering into New Age spirituality as well as technological prowess. These recent expressions of the ideal of perfection work in concert with a new power formation, which I call “programmed perfection” (Quinby 1999).

This set of power/knowledge relations promises to bring a millennial vision to earth through information and biological technologies. The vision hasn’t gravitated all that far from its patriarchal roots, however. Revelation’s New Jerusalem is a site in which only men--specifically those who have not been “defiled with women” ascend to god-like status (Revelation 14:3-4).

Similarly, in techno-millennialism, reproduction without female agency is a major goal; when female bodies are used, as in cloning or ventilated pregnant cadavers, for example, they are regarded as laboratory vessels.

Millennial perfection thus remains purely masculine. Again popular culture reinforces such practices. Toys like X-Men, who are mutants who have transcended certain bodily constraints and bear names like Archangel II, foster a desire for perfection understood as super-embodiment. Games like Dungeons and Dragons fuse together the physical and supernatural in the name of total apocalyptic destruction of designated enemies with millennial reward of achieved victory."
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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue Jun 07, 2016 2:56 pm

Fascinating reading again. A few supporting comments for now on two aspects.

The esoteric astrology developed by the lineage of Blavatsky, 'the Tibetan' and later the frighteningly powerful witch-type Alice Bailey, works with 7 rays, in which the planetary influences along with their outer-cosmic counterparts, are interpreted as belonging to these rays.

I will summarize them from memory.

Ray 1: Will and Power; ruled by Pluto and Vulcan.
Ray 2: Love; ruled by Sun and Jupiter
Ray 3: Creative Intelligence; ruled by Saturn
Ray 4: Creation from Opposites; ruled by Mercury
Ray 5: Knowledge; ruled by Venus
Ray 6: Idealism; ruled by Neptune and Mars
Ray 7: Ritual Magic; ruled by Uranus.

The rays pertain tot he signs as well, so different types of rulerships are extended; Venus/Ray 5 is said to rule the Leo-Aquarius axis.

I never quite got this, but the comprehensiveness of the quoted typification is explanatory.

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I agree with this typification of psychoanalysis vs what we may call the Pandora-warning.
Having been in a kind of analysis once, I can absolutely concur; it was a Pandoras box; every little issues I addressed blew up in my, and the therapists face and caused enormous mayhem and instability.

As soon as I allowed an outside to start pulling at the threads, the whole fabric of life seemed to be held together by the very volatility of its elements.
Just like an atom is held together, perhaps, by enormous tension and contradiction; so a mans soul is held together, and the psychoanalyst naively attempts to effect a fission in the psyche, not aware of the violence he will unleash;
psychoanalysis is in this sense anti-cultural, it unravels.
Socrates was perhaps the first Shrink - the first dishonest soul clever enough to reverse the notions of honesty and dishonesty; the reversal of honorability - so very different from Honor, which can not be reversed.

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Sin vs Crime;
A thought I had last night;

Weak sin vs Strong sin
Weak virtue vs Strong virtue

Weak sin is wretchedness, wish for satisfaction born out of wretchedness, starvation; Brown.
Strong sin is Crime in the Nietzschean sense; Gold and Black.

Weak virtue is wretchedness, wish for safety born out of fundamental inability to take care of oneself; Beige.
Strong virtue is Godly in the Greek sense; Gold as 'primus inter pares' inside a full spectrum.



In one sense, strong Sin/good Crime brings out the greatest power of gold, of the soul, the man, because of the stark contrasts it produces.

In another sense, strong Virtue brings out the most natural quality of gold, of the world, the society, because of its kinship to all elements of distinct qualities; everything, in this 'scheme', is necessary.


The difference between weak and strong in both cases can be found in the degrees of distinctness of the qualities. Weakness has no distinction to it.
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Shakespeare wrote:
Venus to Adonis:

"Fondling," she saith, "since I have hemm'd thee here
Within the circuit of this ivory pale.
I'll be a park, and thou shalt be my deer:
Feed where thou wilt, on mountain or in dale;
Graze on my lips, and if those hills be dry,
Stray lower, where the pleasant fountains lie." [Venus and Adonis, 229-234]

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Shakespeare wrote:
Adonis to Venus:

"I hate not love, but your device in love,
That lends embracements unto every stranger.
You do it for increase: O strange excuse!
When reason is the bawd to lust’s abuse." [Venus and Adonis, 789-98]

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PostSubject: Re: Satanic Freedom Satanic Freedom - Page 2 EmptyTue Jun 14, 2016 6:12 am

Excellent essay on the sweet-voracity of satanic Venus.


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         He ran upon the boar with his sharp spear,
         Who did not whet his teeth at him again,
         But by a kiss thought to persuade him there;
         And nuzzling in his flank, the loving swine
         Sheath'd unaware the tusk in his soft groin."

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Renaissance Ovidian poetry with its emphasis on illicit sexual desire and "unnatural" consummation, as well as metamorphosis, represents the disturbing capacity to "turn man into a very beast," to effect, like bestiality, an "unlawful conjunction," "which is a most abominate confusion." That is, poetic metaphor contains the propensity to convert the human into the animal, or more radically, in the specific context of metamorphosis, to reduce it to the vegetative matter at the base of nature.

Consistent with the Ovidian world of forbidden wishes, the death of Adonis constitutes the fatal consummation of interspecies desire:

"I know not love," quoth he, "nor will not know it,
Unless it be a boar, and then I chase it." (409-10)

A painfully comic measure of Adonis's profound alienation from his own species, "the tusk in his soft groin" serves as a grotesque parody of the legal definition of bestiality, "carnall knowledge" of a brute, as explained by Sir Edward Coke in The Third Part of the Institutes of the Lawes of England (1644):

"[T]here must be penetratio, that is, res in re, either with beast, but the least penetration maketh it carnall knowledge." Coke's solemn explication cannot fully anticipate a scenario, such as the one outlined by Venus, where the animal and not the human, "the loving swine," is the active sexual partner.

Certainly, the poem's comic imputations about bestiality had serious ramifications in a culture where, as Keith Thomas points out: "The frequency with which bestiality was denounced by contemporary moralists suggests that the temptation could be a real one."
Similarly in the widely circulated Domesticall Duties, William Gouge finds it necessary to point out the importance of selecting as a marriage partner another human being, "One of the same Kinde or nature":

    "for among all the creatures which were made, there was not found an helpe meet for man: therefore God out of his bone and flesh made a woman of his owne nature and Kinde.

    Contrary to this is the detestable sinne of buggery with beasts, expressly forbidden by the law."

Yet, Adonis is unequivocal in his election of the boar over Venus, a choice which the poem constructs within a specifically sexual context. Thomas Middleton's A Mad World My Masters (c. 1604), a play which explicitly references Venus and Adonis (I. ii. 44), offers an interesting cultural reflection on the implications of such an erotic choice. In this play, "The worst [creature] that ever breathes" (IV. iii.), "a wild boar," is punningly extrapolated as and conflated with "a vild whore, Sir" (IV. iii. 71-5). Both sexual and species difference here articulate the contradictory, driving forces of attraction and repulsion that characterize heterosexual and misogynist male desire. This double nature of desire, however, is apparent not only in terms of men's conflicted feelings about female sexuality, but also, astonishingly, in relation to pigs.

The indistinction of boundaries between animal and human sexuality, on the one hand, and animal ferocity and divine vengeance on the other, is played out, most vividly in Venus's own identification of her lust for Adonis with that of the boar:

"Had I been tooth'd like him, I must confess
With kissing him I should have killed him first."

There is, indeed, a cultural consensus on the libidinous nature of boars. Andrew Willet emphasizes both the similarities between human coitus and the mating habits of boars in Hexapla, a commentary on Leviticus:

"This kinde of creature is prone unto lust, and more then [sic] commonly other are: for at eight moneths they begin to couple; and when they begin, they keepe not their seasons and times of the yeere, as other beasts doe, but at all times, and night and day they come together."

Venus herself relates to Adonis the terrifying demeanor of the boar, "a mortal butcher" whose back has "a battle set Of bristly pikes," whose "snout digs sepulchers where're he goes," and "whom he strikes his crooked tushes slay" (619-24). Edward Topsell's natural history of the period, The History of Foure-Footed Beasts, paints a similarly vivid portrait not just of the boar's ferocity, but also of his savage lust:

"[B]eing inflamed with venereal rage, he so fretteth upright the bristles of his neck, that you would take them to be the sharp fins of Dolphins; then champeth he with his mouth, grateth and gnasheth his teeth one against another, and breathing forth his boyling spirit, not only at his eys, but at his foaming white mouth, he desireth nothing but copulation, and if his female endure him quietly, then doth She satisfie his lust, and kill all his anger; but if she refuse, then doth he either constrain her against her will or else layeth her dead upon the earth."

Crucially, the boar's violent sexual aggression is connected by Topsell with a refusal of coitus. In this, the boar has a ferocious, vengeful, and specifically masculine energy:
"[T]he males have upon that occasion deadly and strange fights, one with another, and the wilde Boares whet their tuskes against trees for the fight."

While the boar has an inescapably masculine dimension, Venus's identification with this beast also resembles that between the goddess Diana and the boar of Calydon in Book VIII of the Metamorphosis, "The which Diana for to wreake her wrath conceyvde" (360), and "In great Orithyas thigh a wound with hooked groyne he drew" (497). Thus, Adonis's boar "always has the double role of being both the Goddess, infernalized and enraged, and her infernal consort (Mars in boar form)."

The rejected Goddess comes to emerge in her animal form, claiming in violence what she has been denied in love.
The boar, then, has mythological connotations of taking vengeance on behalf of rejected yet powerful women.

Contemporary moralists such as Richard Capel argued that human beings are tempted to "unnaturall sins" like bestiality and incest because "Sathan hath no naturality in him, for he lost all in his fall: the Law of Nature was not given to him" (Capel 52; 53-4).

Even Venus in her sexual persona as Nature is given to perverse, and therefore "unnatural" desire, signaled in the poem not only by Adonis's indifference to her but also by the uneasily semi-incestuous tenor of her designs upon him. Not only, says Capel, will the devil "tempt on both sides of the hedge if he can," but also as he points out, in a remark which is of considerable relevance to the psychosexual dynamics of the poem: "It is our corrupt humor, to be strongest where we are denied."

The blindly procreative aspect of her divinity represented by Venus genetrix together with her rapacity as Venus vulgaris offers a reminder that Venus's identity is essentially non-human, both bestial and immortal. Crucially, also, the poem signals her specifically maternal and feminine propinquity to the animal kingdom. Amid parodic and overtly bestial variations on coitus, there is also some very heavy petting:

"Fondling," she saith, "since I have hemm'd thee here
Within the circuit of this ivory pale.
I'll be a park, and thou shalt be my deer:
Feed where thou wilt, on mountain or in dale;
Graze on my lips, and if those hills be dry,
Stray lower, where the pleasant fountains lie." (229-234)

Venus's outlandish imagery reverses the familiar poetic trope whereby the woman is the poet's hunted hind (as, for example in Sir Thomas Wyatt's Petrarchan Whoso List to Hunt, I Know Where is an Hind) and Adonis as "deer" is reminiscent of Mistress Ford's mockery of Falstaff's romantic rhetoric in Merry Wives: "Sir John? art thou my there, my deer? My male deer?" (V. v. 16-17).

"Feed where thou wilt," an invitation to the breast (the "mountain") and to cunnilingus ("lower where the pleasant fountains lie"), further positions Venus in a simultaneously maternal and sexual relation to Adonis. It is the liminal condition of femininity that signals Venus's alliance with nature. Within a single animal identity, she is possessed of an almost instinctive sexual voracity and maternal nurture: "With blindfold fury she begins to forage" (554); "glutton-like she feeds, but never filleth" (548). Venus's animal insatiability as a mother bears some resemblance to a phenomenon described by E. Fenton in Certaine Secrete Wonders of Nature (1569). In this account, the all-consuming appetites of a pregnant woman are such that she turns not beast but cannibal, the terrifying embodiment of devouring femininity: "lusting to eate the flesh of a faire boy.

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Her simultaneously amorous and motherly address to Adonis as "Fondling," also, connotes both pet and infant, and blurs the boundaries between sexual and non-sexual relations. Adonis becomes Venus's animal familiar, her protected game, a deer/dear within "this ivory pale" (240). In petting the "fondling" Adonis, Venus transgresses--and perhaps, transcends--both interspecies, intergenerational, and intrafamilial distinctions. Pet keeping is inescapably parental, making the beast part of the family, obscuring the division between kin and kind. Thus, as moralists continually reminded their readers, "The change is easie, from naturall love to Carnall."

Of course, the relationship of pethood is precisely (or, rather, ideally) not-sexual, though it is so as much on grounds of incest as of bestiality. Incest and bestiality are, in fact, versions of one another, and neither prohibition is necessary or "natural." In a sense, Adonis finds himself caught between the suffocating passions of the maternal Venus, and the ferocious embrace of a "loving swine." In this situation, connection between "kin" and "kind" (Hamlet I. ii. 65), or rather, the imperative to make the distinction between them, becomes critical. If Venus can keep Adonis as a pet, she can possess him both as child and lover, human and animal.

Adonis is child-like in relation to Venus: "'Fie, fie' he says, 'you crush me. Let me go. / You have no reason to withhold me so'" (611-12). That his petulant protests also represent, symbolically at least, a proleptic response to castration is confirmed by the description of Adonis's ravaged corpse: "In his soft flank, whose wonted lily-white / With purple tears that his wound wept was drenched."

Adonis's mother bears in the poem an important connection with the aberrant desires of Venus. As Venus genetrix mother goddess of omnipresent fecundity, Venus urges indiscriminate copulation: "By law of nature thou art bound to breed" (171),51 and, crucially, she does so by way of the poem's central reference to Myrrha:

"O, had thy mother borne so hard a mind,
She had not brought forth thee, but died unkind." (202-3)

Here, Venus represents Myrrha as being less self-enclosed, ("incestuous" in the broader sense) than her son. Myrrha would have "died unkind" if she hadn't loved a man and thus borne a child" but " it would have been better if she had died untouched by her own kind" (Bate 85).

Critics of Venus and Adonis have long suggested that Shakespeare might have known Titian's painting of the reluctant Adonis, anxious to be on his way to the boar,

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Of course, Bronzino's Cupid is no reluctant Adonis, but the painting does suggest the incestuous overtones of even Venus's maternal aspect as mother of Cupid. Richard McCabe's remarks on this painting, whose figures strike him as "reptilian" ("not merely in the contrived contortion of the limbs, but in the narrowed, mesmeric eyes and the thin wedge of tongue obscenely parting the goddess's lips"), are also remarkably apposite for Shakespeare's Venus and Adonis: "It would appear that the ultimate expression of eroticism necessitates the ultimate confusion of animal and human nature, the ultimate desecration of kinship."

The most incestuous moment in the poem represents a return to nature of the most extreme, but literary kind. "Poor flower," quoth she, "this was thy father's guise,-- / Sweet issue of a more sweet-smelling sire," the anemone seems to be, like the flower in A Midsummer Night's Dream, which represents Elizabeth's virginity, an emblem of chastity:

"And in his blood that on the ground lay spill'd,
A purple flower sprung up, checkere'd with white,
Resembling well his pale cheeks and the blood
Which in round drops upon their whiteness stood." (1165-1170)

Always predisposed to rot rather than to reproduce, "For flowers that are not gathered in their prime / Rot, and consume themselves in little time" (131-2), Adonis remains immured in the world of great creating nature, which has consumed and regenerated him according to its cycles:

"Here was thy father's bed, here in my breast.
Thou art the next of blood, and 'tis thy right.
Lo, in this hollow cradle take thy rest;
My throbbing heart shall rock thee day and night,
There shall not be one minute in an hour
Wherein I will not kiss my sweet love's flower."

Mythologically speaking, of course, Adonis has always been biodegradable. The anemone, into which Adonis is transformed in the Metamorphosis, is associated by Ovid with the fruit revealed when the rind of the pomegranate was removed. In a sense Adonis here, returns to his Ovidian origins because he was born from the weeping cypress tree to which his mother was confined. Fissuring the bark/rind from which he emerges, Adonis comes to figure the permeability of the boundaries of "kind."

Rigorously self-cultivating even before he becomes a flower, Adonis argues: "Who plucks the bud before one leaf put forth" (416); "The mellow plum doth fall, the green sticks fast, / Or, being early plucked is sour to taste" (517-22). But now, in his final metamorphosis, he literally becomes an object of cultivation, a plant and a "cult," namely the pagan cult of Adonis. Unlike the naturalistic depictions of the host of nature's creatures in the poem--the boar, the deer, the hare, the eagle, the horse, the jennet, the snail--the depiction of the flower is completely emblematic. This is because, as Leonard Barkan has so acutely observed, the artistic effect of metamorphosis is "to transform human identities into images."

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The emblematic status of flowers seems, oddly, to have intensified during the spectacular growth of domestic flower cultivation in Elizabethan England. One the new flowers introduced was the wild anemone, and, at the same time, potted plants, known as "Gardens of Adonis" also became popular. That is, the cultural understanding of flowers as signifiers is actually, though perhaps paradoxically, continuous with horticultural advances, which, as Polixenes points out in The Winter's Tale, had served only to complicate the distinctions between nature and culture: "The art itself is nature" (IV. 4. 97). Cultivation does not so much usurp the art of nature as erase the boundary between the natural and the artificial. Significantly, the "art" to which Polixenes refers is constituted by the vegetative equivalent of the incest taboo: "we marry / A gentle scion to the wildest stock / And make conceive a bark of baser kind / By a bud of nobler race" (IV. 4. 88-97). In this instance, inbreeding is antipathetic to cultivation, and thence to culture.

Demarcations between nature and culture have also been part of the poem's critical mythology, which has long maintained that Shakespeare made such an art of nature in Venus and Adonis that he may have composed the poem while he was still in Stratford and had not yet been inducted into the sophistication of metropolitan culture. In Muriel Bradbrook's (mistaken) verdict: "Shakespeare still had some heavy provincial Warwickshire loam sticking to his boots." Although distinctions between nature and culture are all too easily trivialized, it is worth remembering that, in essence, Reformation theology addressed itself to the question of how the animal aspects of human nature, the "corrupt flesh" (Capel 408) estranged human beings from God, while the exultant spirit of the Renaissance celebrated humanity's divine potential as "the paragon of the animals" (Hamlet II. ii). As Golding put it in the Epistle to his translation of the Metamorphoses:

"Our soule is wee endewed by God with reason from above;
Our bodie is but as our house, in which wee worke and move.
T'one part is common to us all with God of heaven himself;
Th'other common with the beastes, a vyle and stinking self." (Golding's Epistle,102-6; p. 426)

That Golding was the translator of both Ovid and Calvin exemplifies the irreconcilable contradictions of Renaissance humanism and radical Protestantism, which were being played out in relation to the status of poetry at the end of the sixteenth century.

The epyllion in particular seemed dedicated to frivolity and delight, to what human beings have in "common with the beastes, a vyle and stinking self" rather than to the more sober task of Protestant aesthetics. In fact, Shakespeare's poem works over these contradictions in human nature, or rather the contradictions between the human and the natural. The poem's naturalistic images of wildlife at one end of the spectrum, the mythically voracious boar, and (ostensibly one of the most frivolous images of the poem) Venus's deer park, at the other, bespeak the inherent perversity of desire and are precisely what lend the poem its tragic-comic quality. By repeatedly transgressing the discrete taxonomies of human and animal, nature and culture, the poem's images render them demonstrably artificial categories. In so doing, Venus and Adonis conveys with singular poignancy the (un)naturalness of loving where we should not love, or where we are not wanted."

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Nuptial - what is mine is yours and what is yours is mine.

"Cross my heart and swear to die."


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Pre-nup - what is mine is mine and what is yours is yours.

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Nuptial - what is mine is yours and what is yours is mine. 

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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Nietzsche in the light of what pre-nups mean.
[One is able to see Tiwaz better.]

The basic tissue of life is the warp and the woof orthogonal tension, the weaving of which forms the first sheath, and the first sheet. Textus - as not only what it is, but also upon where it i written are both related to the fabric, fabrication, fable, etc. - the weaving of songs and metres. 
Man-tras - mind-armours are making song chariots to help uplift one to the highest illumination. 
It is a mind-making - which is the intellectual air element of the libra. On the down-side, it is also in the sense of their oscillatiing indecisiveness of 'making up one's mind'. 

In the Nuptial ceremony of the Greek Krevatia, or the I.E. hand-fasting and blessing of the first-night bed, the interwoven kosmic mantle spread over is likewise called bed-making, like mind-making. 

As detailed here, it is a compelling case to consider that Ariadne's undoing of the labyrinthine/winding thread to guide Theseus in slaying the hybrid, is the dismantling of her wedding with him:

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It is inescapable that where one labyrinth is undone, another is also undone. Life comes at the cost of life. 

We may also say, if the Nuptial is an eye for an aye, Pre-nups are an eye for an eye. 

Odin's sacrifice of his eye into Mimir's well gives birth to runes, to life,… yet, there is a justice to be had. The wolf of chaos too must have its share. Odin's "gift" is approximated by Tyr's "contract". 
No escape.

Wherever a centre of gravity is attained by nuptial sacrifice over generations, it emerges as a point of balance where life flourishes from possessing diverse counter-weights. Man - as a chain of the whole organic past - becomes a standard of value and evaluator of worth, worth-ships. "Man as measure", in this sense. In Ister, Heidegger called this principle of the "middle" - the gathering pole, the terrific arch, or mantle of dike, under which everything pertains to its 'dignity' of being such and such, through the figure of Anti-gone. Each, abiding in its own secret garden.

Tyr - Tiwaz - Knight and sword of honour, justice… 
The Northmen believed, the sword that was passed down as a heir-"loom"...ing had "seen" all the wars of those who held it.


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Centres of gravity foaming with protracted aims from which value-judgements are rendered and ranked, have for their base-is, the steady and sure instincts from generations.

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To "make-up" one's mind, kosmetic, kosme-techne, the art of arrangement is being decisive - "fate-full", "moment-ous", "pivot-al"… becoming a direct-ion.

De-cisive - to cut-off: eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, measure for measure…, where everything is ac-corded [kerdia/heart to heart] its rightful due by the airy heights/pathos-of-distance of one's power - de-termination.
Alloting each its share…; such al-Lot-ments are literally fate-full:

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bhaga survives as a fiscal term, and in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for "one who possesses (-van) the properties of a bhaga-", hence itself "lord, god"; and in bhagya, and "that which derives from bhaga", hence "destiny"/luck as an abstract noun."

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Life is the accumulation of force, of many Janus-heads, multi-polarities without dwindling into opposites. 
Power differentiating many values - the de-cisive cut between man and beast, man and plant, beast and man and overman, etc. - such mind-making is growing the scales of sensitivity. The scales becoming more and more delicate to subtle stimuli, communicates more and more with less and less… -  "The flower of Adonis as "emblem"…", as (arch-e-)type.

As example, the swastika became and is the emblem for many things.


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(Devil from diaballein is to 'throw across'; Enballein is inlaid ornamental work from "to throw in"…
The devil is needed to scatter, shatter, break apart, discriminate one from an other…, the forming of mirror doubles)

Emblematic: Life grows richer, more meaning-full, more value-Able - fore-casting greater and greater tasks and goals becomes easier with estimates. The man confident in life and himself dares more. Playing dice and dare-devil with the gods…

The man who can do without 'pre-nups with life'…
Who can afford to be deceived, who can afford to be defeated for higher victories, who can afford disadvantages, who can afford the innocence of all becomings…
The fool in whom wisdom hides, the warrior whom truth weds… [truth - a mobile army; cosmos - arrange troops for battle]

It is Nuptial love that pools, binds, harmonizes and inter-weaves many re-sources and diverse configurations together. Over generations, one creates the possibility for a well-rounded exceptional type - a vessel of stored force and excess - the tempt-ation for great at-tempts, experiments… philosophy, mind-making.

New types possibly emerge. 
All of history at one end of the scale is counter-balanced by him in the other…

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The Anglo-Irish have a peculiar way of phrasing one is attracted to someone, with the words,

"You bother me."

It comes from Irish bodhairim "I deafen."

Related is 'perturb', from per- "through" + turbare "disturb, confuse, bewilder" from turba "turmoil, crowd"; Greek tyrbe "turmoil, tumult, disorder," from PIE *(s)twer- "to turn, whirl", "storm".

To Turn, to Deviate from the course one was on - that "swerve" corresponds to Venus:

Greenblatt wrote:
"Lucretius observed in passages of remarkable frankness that in the very act of
sexual consummation lovers remain in the grip of confused longings that they cannot fulfill:

"Even in the hour of possession the passion of the lovers fluctuates and wanders in uncertainty: they cannot decide what to enjoy first with their eyes and hands. They tightly squeeze the object of their desire and cause bodily pain, often driving their teeth into one another’s lips and crushing mouth against mouth." (4.1076–81)

The point of this passage—part of what W. B. Yeats called “the finest description of sexual intercourse ever written”—is not to urge a more decorous, tepid form of lovemaking. It is to take note of the element of unsated appetite that haunts even the fulfillment of desire. The insatiability of sexual appetite is, in Lucretius’ view, one of Venus’ cunning strategies; it helps to account for the fact that, after brief interludes, the same acts of love are performed again and again. And he understood too that these repeated acts are deeply pleasurable. But he remained troubled by the ruse, by the emotional suffering that comes in its wake, by the arousal of aggressive impulses, and, above all, by the sense that even the moment of ecstasy leaves something to be desired. In 1685, the great poet John Dryden brilliantly captured Lucretius’ remarkable vision:

"...when the youthful pair more closely join,
When hands in hands they lock, and thighs in thighs they twine;
Just in the raging foam of full desire,
When both press on, both murmur, both expire,
They grip, they squeeze, their humid tongues they dart,
As each would force their way to th’others heart.
In vain; they only cruise about the coast.
For bodies cannot pierce, nor be in bodies lost,
As sure they strive to be, when both engage
In that tumultuous momentary rage.
So tangled in the nets of love they lie,
Till man dissolves in that excess of joy."" [How The World Became Modern]
           
The Turn of the Venus is as the turn-On - stirring, seduction, (a)rousing from which we derive the semantics of dawn, of day-Break, to Spring into being, to awaken from sleep and nightly inertia, light-bringing (lucifer), to provoke to activity, to arise, originate...

The "swerve" is the Satanic concept of the Clinamen:

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According to Lucretius, the unpredictable swerve occurs "at no fixed place or time":

"When atoms move straight down through the void by their own weight, they deflect a bit in space at a quite uncertain time and in uncertain places, just enough that you could say that their motion has changed. But if they were not in the habit of swerving, they would all fall straight down through the depths of the void, like drops of rain, and no collision would occur, nor would any blow be produced among the atoms. In that case, nature would never have produced anything."

This swerving, according to Lucretius, provides the "free will which living things throughout the world have."

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Inclination to someone, something, to incline is a "Bias":

"slant, slope, oblique", 13c., "sideways, askance, against the grain", which is of unknown origin, probably from Old Provençal biais, with cognates in Old Catalan and Sardinian; possibly from Vulgar Latin *(e)bigassius, from Greek epikarsios "athwart, crosswise, at an angle," from epi- "upon" + karsios "oblique," from PIE *krs-yo-, from root *(s)ker- "to cut"."

A Bias is a "pre-judice", a violation, "profanation", the cut across the "chaste", sacred virgin and the whore…

So we see again, how the Satanic is to strive for the forbidden, for transgression is a crime, knowledge is a dis-crimination, a Bias, a Slope, a "proclivity".
Elegance - eligere - is careful dis-criminate selection, to choose with care.
 
In [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thread last year, I showed a passage in Nietzsche where Danger and Depression were connected to Saturn, with regard to the Pythagorean hypotenuse, the "slippery" "slope" in opposition to the Orthogonality - saturnine discipline, rightness, law, etc.

In distinguishing between the Saturnine Trickster and the Venus Tempter, we can say the nuance is in between the discipline of habit, and inclinations, intent and tendency/taste, character and refined grace, respectively.
What is fine is delicate, from which we also get delicious:

"delicatus "alluring, delightful, dainty," also "addicted to pleasure, luxurious, effeminate;" which is of uncertain origin; related by folk etymology (and perhaps genuinely) to deliciae "a pet," and delicere "to allure, entice", from de- "away" + lacere "lure, deceive", related to laqueus "noose, snare", "lace"…

Laces and "seduction" - "to lead astray"...
While the "swerve" of Venus, is a turn-On, the caprice of Saturn is "per-verse", literally, "to Over-turn".
There is the slope of incline and the Deviant who breaks off in a tangent like Scheherzade's or Penelope's thread weaving and Wave-Err-ing away, and there is what slips through the gap and over-turns like the carnivalesque Saturnalia; slaves become freemen and freemen slaves - a per-versity.

The tangential - to cheat, impress, strike, hit and slide, to touch gently is related to Tact, and the Tact is related to the Pact that Venus rules Intact.

Aphrodite born of the castrated organs, of the very sickle-cut, keeps the the schism together.
If Saturn is Law as regulation, as judice, as jury, to ob-Serve,, Venus is pre-judice, justice, Purr-view: "provided that", the clause/claws, from,
providere - "look ahead, prepare, supply, act with foresight," from pro- "ahead" + videre "to see". The Promethean.
The Cheat, and the clean Chit.

The tangential, tactiity, also - Tangibility, materiality, gain, riches, treasure.

"Truth [satya] and Order[rta] are born from Fervour [kindling, stroking, striking, colliding, clashing, chance-luck];
"Discipline Breeds Fortune." <> Saturn-Venus.

"Fortune and Fame Crease(rip-ple) and In-Crease(crescent) Social Status." <> Venus-Saturn.

This becomes clear in:

Jane Burns wrote:
"Jean de Meun’s thirteenth-century version of the Roman de la Rose opens with a standard clerical condemnation of courtly love as a kind of incurable torment that enflames the hearts of fools and makes them suffer unrequited desire. Jean’s spokesperson, Lady Reason, further condemns the folly of this consuming love when it becomes a form of covetousness, when the love of bodily pleasures becomes confused with the insatiable love of riches. Different from the reciprocal affection of Ciceronian friendship that Reason condones, the pursuit of physical pleasure and passion more often resembles the obsessive pursuit of tangible material gain, that plagues all rich men and misers (vv. 4744, 4773-75). Not only are merchants, lawyers and doctors driven by this love for profit and terrestrial goods (vv. 5042-61), knights, kings and beggars (v. 5017) also fall under the purview of those who love “to amass treasure” (vv. 5089-92).

Lady, Fortune, is denounced more specifically for using ornate lavish attire to trick and deceive unwary lovers. As her wheel turns, we are told, Fortune moves into the opposite chamber of her house, “dirty, weak, cracked, and crumbling”, where she sheds her superficial luxury dress and falls into a debased state of nakedness:

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"When she sees where she has fallen, she changes her countenance and her attire; she disrobes and undresses until she is wholly without clothing and appears to have nothing of value, being utterly lacking in material goods."

This impoverished creature who “goes to crouch in a whorehouse” (se vet au bordel cropir, v.6129) is Fortune undisguised, according to Reason, a lady stripped of vain ornaments that have no lasting value or profit. If Fortune appears to distribute riches and honor, dignities and authority, glory and worldly prosperity, she will inevitably cast her followers from their high estate into the mire, with their luxury dress, like Fortune’s own, finally in tatters (vv. 4823-66).

Either Fortune appears in a bejeweled and golden palace, lavishly clad in costly silks and brocades, or she plummets to the muddy depths of poverty, stark naked. The choices suggest a clear separation between courtly bodies and the garments that might cover them, drawing a discrete distinction between Fortune’s sartorial options. And yet this account of Lady Fortune as an icon for the fate of courtly lovers also provides a crucial option between the extremes of opulent clothing and unadorned skin. This alternative, which literary narratives of courtly love tend to cultivate and exploit, offers the oxymoronic image of a sartorial body: a body defined neither as clothed or naked, and one that also eludes conventional gender stereotypes.

When describing the rocky island on which Fortune’s house stands, Jean de Meun characterizes the site of this allegorical lady’s fluctuating movements as a water-washed rock constantly covered by pounding waves that it repeatedly sheds, as one would remove, the Old French suggests, an article of clothing:

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"(The waves strike it [the rock] and beat against it, assailing it repeatedly, many times hitting it so hard that they engulf it completely. Yet each time, it unclothes itself (redespuelle) from the water that has drenched it.)"

Although the term for rock (roche) is grammatically feminine in Old French and thus represented by the direct object pronoun “la,” the metaphorical body that this pronoun represents does not carry the stereotype of gendered femininity attached to Fortune’s excessively adorned self. This is not a naked female body clothed artificially with seductive feminine attire. Rather, the watery clothing of Fortune’s abode remains tellingly indistinct from what appears to be a more rocky and ungendered substrate. Indeed, the liquid garments that clothe this site cling and slide away without the discrete separation that more opaque and tangible material might supply. Most importantly, the metaphorical clothing of Fortune’s bedrock has a transformative effect, actually reshaping a body that it constitutes, composes, and recomposes:

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"(It [the rock] does not retain any one shape. Rather, it constantly changes and re-casts itself, taking on a new shape as it metamorphoses. Thus does it continually dress itself in a different and unexpected manner.)"

To be always “dressed in a different manner” means more, in this instance, than simply donning and removing varied garments as the allegorical Lady Fortune does. Here, the rock “always changes and recasts itself,” suggesting that this kind of aqueous clothing effects substantive alterations in the body being clothed. It is that transformative effect of lavish courtly attire, over and above its potential ability to deceive and disguise, that many courtly tales cultivate and that Reason finds especially objectionable. The house of Lady Fortune is to be avoided by courtly lovers, Reason states, not only because it is perilously undependable and fickle, casting the unwary visitor from the comfort of luxury clothes and adornment into the destitution of base nakedness. Fortune’s seductive power lies also in what Reason calls her “perverse” ability (v. 6135) to confuse the sartorial representations of social categories, impoverishing and dishonoring good people while rewarding the wicked with attributes heretofore belonging to the highly esteemed and richly endowed:

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The combined threat of love and luxury attire in the courtly world is thus not only to feed avarice but also to effect substantive change in social ranks and gendered subjectivities by eroding the hierarchical divisions that structure each of them.

When bourgeois women are denounced for effectively dressing up in noble garb and courtly men are accused of wearing the “prideful costume” of women, the lines ostensibly marking categories of class and gender are shown to be repeatedly challenged and remade through the transformative effects of clothing and ornament." [Courtly love Undressed]


Fortuna seduces, in-Fate-uates, Turns one a Fool, Frustrates, rips off in her ripples, disturbs, perturbs, Con-Volutes with her Volupt-uosity…

Fame carries ahead the Name, but also carries Away the name…

The de-clination from turbulence to turbidity; oblique slashes, gnashes, cuts, veers off, breaks away, gives a way.
From folly and forgetting to instantiating new beginnings, for-giving, gifting.
New stirrings stringing together…
Chain from PIE root *kat- "to twist, twine" is source also of Latin cassis "hunting net, snare"…

Constrain <> Chain

Depression <> Depreciation;

Safety <> Surety;
Monito-Ring Moment vs. Memento;
From keep to keepsake,
From Agri-culture to Civil-ization,
Hi-story and Blood-memory to wine-remembrance and en-joy-(N)-ment (forbid);
Totem and Taboo,
Hardware and soft-wear,
Gene to Meme,
Idylls and Ideals,
Time, i.e. Revolt[to "Over-Turn", overthrow] and Revolution [volvox, ulvam "womb, vulva"; Lithuanian valtis "twine, net," vilnis "wave," apvalus "round"].


Serres wrote:
"Invent liquid history and the ages of water." [The Birth of Physics]

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Hymn to Venus

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"Creatress, mother of the Roman line,
Dear Venus, joy of earth and joy of heaven,
All things that live below that heraldry
Of star and planet, whose processional
Moves ever slow and solemn over us,
All things conceived, all things that face the light
In their bright visit, the grain-bearing fields,
The marinered oceans, where the wind and cloud
Are quiet in your presence – all proclaim
Your gift, without which they are nothingness.
For you that sweet artificer, the earth,
Submits her flowers, and for you the deep
Of ocean smiles, and the calm heaven shines
With shoreless light.

Ah, goddess, when the spring
Makes clear its daytime, and a warmer wind
Stirs from the west, a procreative air,
High in the sky the happy-hearted birds,
Responsive to your coming, call and cry,
The cattle, tame no longer, swim across
The rush of river-torrents, or skip and bound
In joyous meadows; where your brightness leads,
They follow, gladly taken in the drive,
The urge, of love to come. So, on you move
Over the seas and mountains, over streams
Whose ways are fierce, over the greening leas,
Over the leafy tenements of birds,
So moving that in all the ardor burns
For generation and their kind’s increase,

Since you alone control the way things are.
Since without you no thing has ever come
Into the radiant boundaries of light,
Since without you nothing is ever glad,
And nothing ever lovable, I need,
I need you with me, goddess, in the poem
I try to write here, on The Way Things Are." [Natura]



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Hymn to Venus

"DELIGHT of Humane kind, and Gods above,
Parent of Rome; Propitious Queen of Love,
Whose vital pow’r, Air, Earth, and Sea supplies,
And breeds what e’r is born beneath the rowling Skies:
For every kind, by thy prolifique might,        5
Springs, and beholds the Regions of the light.
Thee, Goddess, thee the clouds and tempests fear,
And at thy pleasing presence disappear:
For thee the Land in fragrant Flow’rs is drest;
For thee the Ocean smiles, and smooths her wavy breast;        10
And Heav’n it self with more serene and purer light is blest.
For when the rising Spring adorns the Mead,
And a new Scene of Nature stands display’d,
When teeming Budds, and chearful greens appear,
And Western gales unlock the lazy year:        15
The joyous Birds thy welcome first express;
Whose native Songs thy genial fire confess;
Then salvage Beasts bound o’re their slighted food,
Strook with thy darts, and tempt the raging floud.
All Nature is thy Gift; Earth, Air, and Sea:        20
Of all that breaths, the various progeny,
Stung with delight, is goaded on by thee.
O’re barren Mountains, o’re the flowery Plain,
The leafy Forest, and the liquid Main
Extends thy uncontroul’d and boundless reign.        25
Through all the living Regions dost thou move,
And scatter’st, where thou goest, the kindly seeds of Love:
Since then the race of every living thing
Obeys thy pow’r; since nothing new can spring
Without thy warmth, without thy influence bear,        30
Or beautiful, or lovesome can appear;
Be thou my ayd; My tuneful Song inspire,
And kindle with thy own productive fire;
While all thy Province, Nature, I survey,
And sing to Memmius an immortal lay        35
Of Heav’n, and Earth, and every where thy wondrous power display:
To Memmius, under thy sweet influence born,
Whom thou with all thy gifts and graces dost adorn.
The rather then assist my Muse and me,
Infusing Verses worthy him and thee.        40
Mean time on Land and Sea let barb’rous discord cease,
And lull the listning world in universal peace
To thee Mankind their soft repose must owe;
For thou alone that blessing canst bestow;
Because the brutal business of the War        45
Is manag’d by thy dreadful Servant’s care;
Who oft retires from fighting fields, to prove
The pleasing pains of thy eternal Love:
And panting on thy breast supinely lies,
While with thy heavenly form he feeds his famish’d eyes;        50
Sucks in with open lips thy balmy breath,
By turns restor’d to life, and plung’d in pleasing death.
There while thy curling limbs about him move,
Involv’d and fetter’d in the links of Love,
When wishing all, he nothing can deny,        55
Thy Charms in that auspicious moment try;
With winning eloquence our peace implore,
And quiet to the weary World restore."

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