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PostSubject: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:41 am

The IS is in the Rest of my Post which you Failed to quote. F- ailed.


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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:33 am

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The religion I bring is the Nietzschean religion of the two paths. The one leads to oneness with nature or spirit; the other leads to the reduction of everything to nothing. And the big question is which is which. Has Western man truly cut himself off of nature? Or is nature rather also the complete embrace of the Modern abomination? Is Nietzsche the ultimate fulfillment or perversion of the Machiavellian-Cartesian conquest of nature? The answer is that he is both. But perhaps I should say He is both, for if I'm anything, any one thing, it's someone who's aspired to be an incarnation of Nietzsche, of the problem of Nietzsche. That problem is the problem of Modernity, or of Modernity and Classical Antiquity. Nietzsche leads to the Classic problem, the problem of Class, but does so through Modernity, through what Modernity has led to, to "Post-Modernity".
He shows that true post-modernity is really Neo-Pre-Classical Antiquity. He has led me to the situation immediately preceding the imposition of a Class Society. Class is created through War, nay persists through War: it is the Shadow of War, a very bleak but at the same time very colourful Shadow:


For those who dont know what he's on about, he's referring to his [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] thread, which is how Strauss divided the turns in history.

That "is" I have bolded in the OP here, is something to attain, and not something already attained - there "is" no circuit all-ready...
And that which is to be attained is also not in the sense Sauwie would want it, as WTP = a God and such a deification.

Entertaining that thread [how 4 may leap to 1] is interesting only for the following reason.


1.

In JW, 1, N. foretells the need for tragedy after every satyricial dis-closure into the comedy of existence, and post-modern relativitism has certainly opened this abyss:

Nietzsche wrote:
"Every time 'the hero' appeared on stage, something new was attained: the gruesome counterpart of laughter, that profound shock that many individuals feel at the thought: 'Yes, living is worth it! Yes, I am worthy of living! ' Life and I and you and all of us became interesting to ourselves once again for a while. There is no denying that in the long run each of these great teachers of a purpose was vanquished by laughter, reason and nature: the brief tragedy always changed and returned into the eternal comedy of existence, and the 'waves of uncountable laughter' - to cite Aeschylus - must in the end also come crashing down on the greatest of these tragedians. Despite all this corrective laughter, human nature on the whole has surely been altered by the recurring emergence of such teachers of the purpose of existence - it has acquired one additional need, the need for the repeated appearance of such teachers and such teachings of a 'purpose' . Man has gradually become a fantastic animal that must fulfil one condition of existence more than any other animal: man must from time to time believe he knows why he exists; his race cannot thrive without a periodic trust in life - without faith in the reason in life! And ever again the human race will from time to time decree:

'There is something one is absolutely forbidden henceforth to laugh at.'

And the most cautious friend of man will add:

'Not only laughter and gay wisdom but also the tragic, with all its sublime unreason, belongs to the means and necessities of the preservation of the species.' And therefore! Therefore! Therefore! Oh, do you understand me, my brothers? Do you understand this new law of ebb and flood? We, too, have our time!" [JW, 1]


2.

In WTP, 118, he calls for the restoration of the "pure fool" of knowledge:

Nietzsche wrote:
"If anything at all has been achieved, it is a more innocuous relation to the senses, a more joyous, benevolent, Goethean attitude toward sensuality; also a prouder feeling regarding the search for knowledge, so that the "pure fool"" is not given much credit." [WTP, 118]


3.

In JW, 344, he exposes how science and the scientific pursuit of truth is still a continuity of the religious Piety of J.-Xt.:

Nietzsche wrote:
"Consequently, 'will to truth' does not mean 'I do not want to let myself be deceived' but - there is no alternative - 'I will not deceive, not even myself'; and with that we stand on moral ground. For you have only to ask yourself carefully, 'Why do you not want to deceive?' especially if it should seem - and it does seem! - as if life aimed at semblance, i.e. error, deception, simulation, blinding, self­ blinding, and when life on the largest scale has actually always shown itself to be on the side of the most unscrupulous polytropoi. Charitably interpreted, such a resolve might perhaps be a quixotism, a slight, enthusiastic folly; but it could also be something worse, namely a principle that is hostile to life and destructive. 'Will to truth' - that could be a hidden will to death.

Thus the question 'Why science?' leads back to the moral problem: Why morality at all, if life, nature, and history are 'immoral'? No doubt, those who are truthful in that audacious and ultimate sense which faith in science presupposes thereby affirm another world than that of life, nature, and history; and insofar as they affirm this 'other world', must they not by the same token deny its counterpart, this world, our world? 

. .But you will have gathered what 1 am getting at, namely, that it is still a metaphysical faith upon which our faith in science rests - that even we knowers of today, we godless anti­ metaphysicians, still take our fire, too, from the flame lit by the thousand-year old faith, the Christian faith which was also Plato's faith, that God is truth; that truth is divine . . . But what if this were to become more and more difficult to believe, if nothing more were to turn out to be divine except error, blindness, the lie - if God himself were to turn out to be our longest lie?" [JW, 344]




The "pure fool" is the one who can still make a tragedy possible, create the conditions that people May and would want to raise themselves to a seriousness in life.

This cannot be inserted as a religious protocol, that, the pure fool will "have to" make people believe in life again.

This cannot be - such is not a leap to 1.
It turns "Why not deceive oneself?" into a will-to-truth, and becomes a throw-back.

To "leave no accidents to chance" [Machiavelli, 0 tragedy], And Also be the pure fool [Homer, 100 tragedy] is extremely Heraclitean… the tensest bow, that is a lyre? that is a liar?...


The question is, did Achilles lie in Hades?

And two, are midwives incarnating the problems of others, the hero's archetype of the future man?
Here, we should ask, could N. prove a perversion, or, or...?

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:06 pm

Lyssa wrote:
The question is, did Achilles lie in Hades?

And two, are midwives incarnating the problems of others, the hero's archetype of the future man?
Here, we should ask, could N. prove a perversion, or, or...?

Don't really follow this.  How could N. prove a perversion here?
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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:50 am

perpetualburn wrote:
Lyssa wrote:
And two, are midwives incarnating the problems of others, the hero's archetype of the future man?
Here, we should ask, could N. prove a perversion, or, or...?

Don't really follow this.  How could N. prove a perversion here?


Kubrick said, "If you can talk brilliantly about a problem, it can create the consoling illusion that it has been mastered."

N. didn't buy into his illusion, but some want to make him/it so.

There is pure piracy, and then there are hackers.
N. wasn't a hacker; and therefore, he could prove a perversion.

The first 'disciple' of Dionysos is a piracy.

The first disciple of Nietzsche is a hacking…


In the historical semantic, a pervert is one who turns away from the righteous or godly order. He overturns it.

N. incarnated the problem of his time,,, problem become flesh
Lets assume the modern logic leads into the postmodern logic of his dope-el gangers who turn their flesh into problems and deify themselves as 'crisis-incarnate'...
From the stoning of Christ, to the stoning of the Antichrists - these anti-pyg-mal-ions who get stoned on and stone into idols...

If N. 'perverted' - simply 'overturned' Plato on his head, shall 'overturning' N. on his head, make one or usher in the new Plato?, the new legislator, the new philosopher-king of the future?

Those who are with Heidegger and his relativistic postmodern ontotheology, claiming N. overturning Plato still remains only an inverted platonism (WTP=God), will answer the above in the affirmative, in which case, N. could prove perverse - as overturnable, and heroism as only the midwifery of one's time...
What difference does it make if we simply replatonize the deplatonizer, whether we churn milk into cream or cream into milk as per contingency or convenience??


But History turns-over only on powerful hinges.

There is no Plato without Homer, and there is no Homer without tragic-heroism and and there is no tragedy,

- if one platonizes "everyone must become serious about life again" deselectvely as a religious law, instead of it being an open-ended, selective, formative experiment of the heroic/tragic;
- If one philosophizes that the circuit between N. and Plato already exists;
- that being is 'already' a victory.

Sauwie conveniently jump-skips from Nietzsche to Plato with an "is".

And that makes him a skipper who trips, not a tripper who trips.

Shall we get higher, we stoned temple pilates? we antichrists?

Shall we not call our sisters Elizabeth?, and celebrate our real birthdays on 15th october signing our very mad mad letters full of gratitude for everything with The Crucified, nay, The Pacified, or whatever it is?

Shall we not travel to Genoa, or name our sons Zarathustra, and our daughters Zara?…

What?

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:51 am

Sauwelios wrote:
The IS is in the Rest of my Post which you Failed to quote. F- ailed.


Ha!

Strippers are the only trippers, the rest remain dopelickits. pfff-King.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:21 am

The Unbearable (b)Lightness of Being.



In the Beginning was the Gay Science.

Then came his hero-simians (Nietzsche's Demi-Apes)…

You have heard of Underworld, and Otherworld and demigods, but have you heard of Half-world?, "Demi-monde", and its habitants - the pleasing courtesans, the Demis, whom "every body knows to be what no body calls her" [Fielding], the Demi-urge as in the aborted and Half-way arrested development of coming into Being.

1 / 2.
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Worse than still-births, are half-births.
"The half and half spoil every whole."

In the Half-world of half-truths, spaces of limbo, half agape, half agape, de-militarized zones, the goo-lag of Sigh-beria, half wacked, half whacked non-plus con-founders proclaim the triumph of Blah.

The metagrobalization of the world stretching between Ronald and Donald, and period.  
The demidumb of heaven on earth,
I have the lysure to also say, the wi-zzzz-dumb of heaven on earth,
O what a mess- ai ai aah… !

The harlot of Blahbalon rides distant on distent tongues…,
swollen words, stolen worths

Half-balls and bray-cells, no hint of either Hercules,
or the grey cells of the True Detective Poirot Hercules…,
Swingers skipping from Paris to NY to Hamster-damn! of which the older English name was the German rat…
A fuzzy thing of fuzzy logic; PUAs use hamster to describe those who side-step and half-step responsibility.
They call them cunts for that reason.
"A species of rodent soon to inherit the earth after our Demi-se…"
Also a euphemism for the hedonistic dis/ease of half left-over beers, skipping, skipping…

And what mean I by "Expel the Hamster"?!

The jet-set jet-lagged are the real heaviness of the Chronic Chronos.
The Saturnine hamster, the gulag-tyrant, imprisons and devours its young to survive, like the cat.
The rat and the cat… a carnal carnival,

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Le-mon banging to A Tout le Mon de,

THIS is 'The End'.

À tout mes amis [To all my friends]
Je vous aime
Je dois partir
These are the last words
I'll ever speak
And they'll set me free


"Words will set me free."
Clit-oral thinking is fishy.

Bah, ye pearl-fishers


À tout mes amis [To all my friends]
My body's gone that's all
Please smile when you think of me

Half-assed smile…
Of Drug-Barrens and (p)fff…Kingpin(t)s,
Con-Noise-eurs of semenal licker

064 is the number of the hemidemisemi quavering of the quivering queers

Zorastrian Shat-RAP and diademed over-Half-lords of the demos s.


But Enough!
Let them raise their demit-asses.
Lictors shall pay no heed to half-wits giving grand licktures, even if they be in our city-halls...
ExSpell the Hamster!
Word to World.

We shall blessing terminate their cross-gressions of another man's meat with the ah…men.. of "Who gives a Damn?".


Its time WE SANEtors seize our earth, Invoke Deus and set upon a new plague of pure Anti-Demitism.
(and you may take it as signed, Pythia with all the powers nested in her,
25th August, 2016… I'm at Least a fortnight ahead…)

I shall have these demites shot!!


With a wink.

; )

.

and pulling down the trigger

;

and

)

laugh. haarr harr


So, yes, in the beginning was the gay science.
The weal to power.

I kid, therefore I am. A self-rolling weal.

I kid.

Certain words like that could be trusted and can still be trusted, to divide the world widely into two. Those who thought it meant gay, and those who thought it meant gay.

It separates idiots from the real.

The gayness is in this, that even after death, A N. knew, he would continue to be Selective.
Thats what we mean by 'Genius' - that it is so alive even after death, its presence reigns, if not rules, not by the memory of others, but by its own sheer force of separating the useless from the gold, whether one notices or not, by the one who notices.

From beyond the grave, one is STILL Laughing…

STILL separating idiots and the pussyfooters

Reality evaders.

Reality treators posing as reality creators.
These reality traitors!!

From beyond the grave, one is STILL Fighting…
Like a revenant.

Death has no power over the hero who continues to self-assert, to do his job even from the Netherworld, another world…
Still fighting from beyond the grave on the side of Life...

These Star- wars to the end!! with Gai Sabre, song daggers

Poetic (k)Nights shall rai(g)n upon Rome vs. Judea! No, better, Blonde VS. Demimonde!


Lysistrata, the "Army-Disbander" was a Spartan who went on a sex-strike to end the civil war between Sparta and Athens.

This Lys' Strata gem, no less of a Spartanism, is likewise to END THE CIVIL war, of politeness, of postures, of reality-prositution, and all that penury that de-pleat the spirit with its effe-menace-y. Except with a hex strike.

My gay sabre is sharp and sweet, "Become clean, my friends".

Off to whet what ye covet!!, ye half-ones, ye pure fouls of knowledge...

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:05 pm

A linguistic distinction should be made between a "unity" and a "congruence: whether either can be used as a metaphor to describe the same phenomenon, one from the vantage point of an external conscious observer and the other from the vantage point of an internal conscious (projection) experiencer.

The unity, if it is non-living, has no internal motive to remain as such, but only is perceived by an external observer as a singular thing. The unification occurs in the mind of the observer, simplifying/generalizing (abstracting) an (inter)action of patterns (processes) by cutting them away from the background - which is part of the simplification/generalization process: dimensional cutting away, leaving a "unity" the mind can process (abstraction - idea).
From the internal, unseen, direction the mind projects itself within the (inter)acting patterns, making himself a part of the relationships, to observe congruity in the making.
The unseen is injected with the experienced, as to convert it from unknown to known - the self is the most intimate part of experience and form this the bicameral minded Modern, draws inspiration, seeing self in all phenomena, baptizing them with the most intimate, to him, names (words, symbols).
Congruity is not intentional, there is no goal, no end, no motive. It emerges out of the pastern's own essence, and how each (inter)acts with other patterns.
No appreciation or evaluation or self required. The usage of such words intends to reinsert an Abrahamic component into unconscious processes, so as to associate the concepts linguistically, because in reality they contradict each other, or they have no reference to reality. They are a simple sentence structure detached from experience so as to construct a linguistic caricature.
Words, representing abstractions, can be arranged in any fanciable way possible, because they are not bound by reality to remain disciplined, restricted to what is experienced. They become artistic vehicles often contrary to the experienced.
The inclusion of "self" and "value" when referring to a stone, for example is not a philosophical attempt to compensate for language limitations, but an insidious attempt to insert a Nihilistic idea(l) within a realistic empirical concept.
It would be laughable if many did not take it and themselves, for inventing such a strategy, so seriously.

The concept of "self" can only apply to a living organization, no matter how simple it is, that can purposefully directs its congruence, towards patterns it (re)cognizes by using itself as a standard - some innate appreciation/judgment must be present. The now properly named unity must be able to differentiate, discriminate, which is what consciousness is, between diverse patterns, directing its energies accordingly.
This direction is what we call will.
using words to masturbate is a common practice, but then using linguistic limitations to justify an absurdity, indicates a lack of integrity . It is part of the usual Judeo-Christian or Nihilistic practice of using a negative to prove a positive.
in this case linguistic limitations used to justify an absurdity that contradicts experience - empiricism.
This seesaw strategy of seeking refuge in the mystical and then coming out to claim the rational, is part of the duplicity of the modern Nihilist.
It has become so common, with varying degrees of sophistication, that Moderns now claim linguistic limits as the reason they cannot explain their absurdities, explaining why so much crap is now passing itself off as intellectual, or spiritual, by wannabe "philosophers" and ambitious "gurus".
If not for reality placing an order upon how words can be sued, language would become a free-for-all method of evading reality, and constructing subjective kingdoms where each one is right, form his own perspective, ruling over all others, excluded from his special universe.

Words, as the Bible says, come first, and it with words that moderns build their subjective hyper-realities, within which they are the idea(l), indifferent to any external standard that might knock them off their perch.
Language with its representation of the simplified/generalized is now being applied as a method of integrating contradictory world-views, as Jesus once attempted.
New messiahs come out of the woodwork, unashamed in times of shameless decay.
The majority seek an escape from the determinism of past/nature, investing all sorts of linguistic paradoxes to remain skeptical, unsure, procrastinating between options, evading the superior-inferior hierarchy, indefinitely...so they hope.
Then there are those few, more pseudo-intellectual types, who have read one book too many, trying to combine water with oil, in a a magical alchemy based on words detached from reality, and used in any inventive way suits their self-aggrandizing goals.
For them the ambiguity and weakness of representational language, is a reason to use emotional triggers to manipulate imbeciles and weaklings the world round - hoping to construct a Kingdom of God on earth, with them as the high priests of idiocy.
How could you combine water and oil, Judaism and Hellenism, and be the next Jesus, in reality?
The two positions on life are irreconcilable, antithetical, more than water and oil they are fire and gasoline.
The magical force of alchemy is part of language.
With words everything can be combined into sentence structures and then exploited by grander pseudo-intellectual brilliance, promising so much delivering less than little.
These language magi are "philosophers" in the political sense, or politicians in the philosophical sense.
Their intent is to manipulate masses of nit-wits, even if they will not admit it.

With no real world application their "power" is human, in the manner that it is confined, like their words are, to the limits of the human mind, and nowhere else beyond it.
Why do you think they desperately want to inflate this limit to cosmic proportions?
Their ambitions are human, and humanism is their preferred state of affairs.
Memes can only travel through brains, when they have no reference to reality, and no power outside of them - a memetic infection.

In the making of such delusions the clown finds a loyal ally in the coward, fighting over the crown jewels.
One eternally guided by a need to replace the icon, the other eternally bound by it. The first presents himself to the second as the icon's reincarnation, delving deeply into father-son dynamics and incomplete rites of passage, the other wants to believe, missing what he never knew.

The desire to merge east and west, is a desire to be the new Messiah: metaphorical (spiritual, noetic) bridge between incompatible world-views, the Judaic and the Hellenic, the Buddhist and the Hindu...the Nihilistic and the Realistic.
An ambition to seduce as many followers as possible, to validate an absurdity, by offering linguistic hope and equality and freedom from past/nature to all; an ambition totally reliant on others, because it has no external reference point other than in these others where ideal can be magically converted to action.
A political ambition, a humanist ambition, a Nihilistic idea(l).
In its fervour such ambitions find allies in contrarians - half-wits half-understanding so as to linguistically merge conflicting concepts - forcing the pieces to fit by snipping away at their shape.

Saul invented Christianity to "harmonize" Athens with Jerusalem, and in our time of identity crisis new Messiahs will emerge trying to merge Rome and Washington, and who will be the current vehicle of word integration but  another Jew using a half-Jew as the new and improved mediator - bringer of good tidings.
In the catacombs of Rome Christianity found the types it needed to spread throughout the empire - the meek, the weak, the ignorant, the feeble-minded, the desperate, the ill, the cowardly.
A memetic disease spreading across a decadent empire, past its prime.
Is not the same occurring now?
Is it not in these times that charlatans and wannabes and liars find willing ears, and open hearts?
Did they not adopt and reinvent pagan rituals and practices?
Are they not, now, reinventing Nietzsche to make him compatible with Judaeo-Christianity, these ambitious priests of future man?
Are not letters their only weapon, and numbers their only validation?  

History repeats.
A pattern.
Symptoms of decline can no longer be ignored.  

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:10 pm

Kaboom!!!!



What is missing from the secular humanist message is the all-encompassing messenger to transfuse the message with blood; the one that can assimilate and mythically combine contradictory principles, lending his physical body as the sacrifice for consuming and digesting a toxic combination.
The Christians have their Christ – the one within which Roman and Semite, Hellene and Jew are consummated in a unifying crucifix, with its cross-over, and final passion, giving birth to a mystery, demanding only faith, of the nonsensical kind.
Communists tried to produce their own Messiah, with Trotsky and Bakunin, and Lenin, but failed to find the right mix of fool and martyr.

The medium is present with the tried and tested power of words, but what is missing is a unifying “philosophy” to combine the Eastern with the Western, in a forever immanent nowhere and everywhere, not so unlike the Christian idol.

Volunteering Messiahs spring up, from time to time, on the internet agoras, selling another repackaging of that old unstable potion.
Soap-box Messiahs preaching the end of the world and salvation to all.
Decay makes the rats, and the roaches come out from under the floorboards where they hide.  
Buyers are urged to wait to get home before they open the package and carefully combine the explosive ingredients – messiahs from a safe distance, waiting for the big boom to happen.
Oil and water does not mix, no matter how hard you shake and bake.
The eruption never comes because the volatile ingredients cancel each other out, with a puff of smoke and a smashing of mirrors.
What is left to do is to pretend the explosion happened, using the same method as before… pursing your lips, to the tightness of an asshole, before letting out a sudden gust of hot air forming the sound: Boom!
Many will duck, and be convinced that something did happen, other than another verbalization, but the smell will be intoxicating.    



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The world determines what is and what is not possible.
You can invent any sentences structure, placing symbols in any sequence you desire; you can lace it all with intoxicating words and imagery; you can promise heaven and hell, making grand statements, with the confidence of a hero, or a fool, and it will not work.
The most you can accomplish is to attract and convince the myriads of imbeciles populating this fine earth; construct and maintain, for a time, a cult, a club, where only the select may enter... you may even use these imbeciles, if they are plenty, to produce a stir... and that is all.
This might be enough for you because you started this process with no integrity and with a motive you did not admit to, until you saw the "good works" your words created... and you might find them wanting, and not admit it.
So it is.
You live by the word, you die by it, and the only way to bend them into plows is if you own a hearty cow, or a patient ass.
   


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To combine two, or more, incompatible concepts into one, using words as the code of abstraction, you must reduce them both to their lowest-common-denominator, doing an injustice to one more than to the other.
The point of convergence will be found in the weakest concept, or the most primal one, where you will lower the higher one to bind them into a symbolic knot.
But knots need not merge but only intertwine, confusing the mind, giving the impression that all is one, though the pieces are of contrary materials.
If this is possible with tangible elements, then how much more so is it possible with the immateriality of ideas?

The desire to dominate as one was dominated, is too strong to ignore this ploy.
The rape victim must rape to absolve himself of the shame, or hide to not look at himself in another's eyes.
This is how a charlatan is born.
Not motivated by a desire to see, his own reflection, but to be seen; not guided by a desire to uncover, but by the desire to be admired.

The positive nihilist smiles offering you a trinket to fill the void he brings.

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It's been said, mainly by me, that words expose intent.
Not only the intent implied by the representation, but the intent implied by the choice of words, and their inclusion within a sentence.
Whistling nonchalantly, hoping nobody will notice, before it is too late.
Some words intend to connect mind with world, using body as precedent; others intend to use words to project their own personal needs, and feed off what they've created on their own - consuming of self, they want to include others in the feast of their sacrifice.

If we can interpret world in such self-serving ways, how difficult could it be to interpret and reinterpret another, an "irrefutable" idol, to employ his fame. his psychological effect, as a means to our own end.
With no world to restrict our ambitions, and no God to threaten us, there is nothing stopping us...but only time/space, remaining deaf and blind to our human desires. With the premature pronouncement of God's death, new gods were born, each with a new name.
Protestant's personal God, became secular nihilist's, humanists, personae as God...and what better title for him than ego/self?

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:59 pm

Modern Messiah's transmogrify abstractions; digesting patterns: transmutation is a digestive process of magical alchemy.
Their nervous system combining the ideal and the real, into a word emanating from their mouth like holy mana.    
Word as transmutation of the incompatible, the non-existent, into flesh and blood - a verbal vibration solidified.
The magic cannot finish the job, so the Modern Messiah uses already present organisms as sacrificial representations of his magical transmutations - hijacking their bodies, through their minds, his fantasies become corporeal.

This is their "will to power".

Neat magic trick, huh?

Like turning water into wine, and feeding the masses with one slippery fish.
 

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:20 am

Hear ye....hear ye...!!!!
I will be making a world-wide address now.
Let me put this soapbox right here in the middle of this electronic plaza, to be seen by all...

Ahem....

If we hold historical accounts to be accurate, and Biblical accounts to be half-truths, then the historical figure of Jesus was a mongrel: half-Roman, half-Semite; product of rape, or of a woman’s lasciviousness, that became part of his message of forgiveness, transmutation him into another kind of mongrel: a god-man, or to put it into Hellenic contexts a demi-god.
A mongrel bridging the spiritual contradictions between Aryan and Semite, and then heaven and earth; metaphorically mind and body.
Christ body and blood, is, to this day, the symbol of this digestive transmutation.
But which side was sanctified, deciding dominance, and which was demonized.
We can gauge this from the outcome.
Christianity, as a later product of this bridging converted the Semitic side into a “chosen” divinity, and the Aryan side into the sinful, that which one must endure and make amends for, reversing worldly hierarchies, as all Nihilistic idea(l) do.
Saul used the mongrel Jesus as the third-element in his alchemic mixture of incompatible elements
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The Semites were to "forgive" the Aryans their...Arianism.      


Ending my cosmic address let me say one last thing in all confidence.
The continuing insistence to insert the word "value" and "self" when discussing metaphysics so that it also applies to rocks and rivers, is a way of inserting the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in preparation for the magical transition; the alchemic connection between two contrary concepts.
Unification of opposites, all tensions explained away, or placed in Judeo-Christian world-views of uniforming commonality;the fabled M-Theory.  

I've explained the process.
This obsession with making fools of themselves, can only be explained as a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that converts reasonable minds into blabbering buffoons.
Their desperation to make a "name for themselves", to crown themselves king, to be the next Messiah, the next wold famous Genius, overwhelms them, making them attempt to justify the absurd insinuation that a stone can be called a "self" (or that self and stone can be used in association); shamelessly, for a degenerate has no shame, implying that an inanimate unity, not really a unity, is purposefully holding itself together.....even implying that it can project a telos.
Consciousness in all things, the omnipresent Christian God.
In all phenomena a spirit...another term for energy.  
When they try to justify their neediness, they expose how ridiculous they are, because then they substitute the magical words "self" and "value" with "kind" or "type", making their claims not so unique.
Where I use the more appropriate word "pattern" to describe this phenomenon of unity, explaining how this unification occurs in the brain of the observer, and the rock, made up of different elements (patterns) each attracting/repulsing the others in accordance with its pattern's relationship to other patterns (interactivity), the buffoons insist on the more Christian appropriate "value" and "self" to imply what they will, undoubtedly, later use to bridge the conceptual gap between Paganism and Judeo-Christianity, declaring themselves Messiah and Apostle, depending on which one is the pitcher and which one the catcher in that needy relationship that has withstood the test of time, because no growth has taken place.

Imagine the absurdity, to be taken seriously as a "philosophical proposition" of insinuating, retaining plausible deniability when the possibility of being exposed comes near, that an inanimate object, a rock, is intentionally holding itself together, and that the concept "self" applies to this rock.
They do not even laugh at their own clownishness. I have to admire that.

There are multiple ways to describe what a rock is, or why a river seems to be hugged by the earth, but the choice of those particular words exposes the motive of the minds using them: EGO.
The "self" is their own ego, found in all things.
If we study Jayne's Bicameral Mind thesis, we will find there the roots of ancient gods and current mystification - a form of schizophrenia manifesting in minds where self-consciousness is still a new thing - confusing itself.
The ancients mistook the voices in their head for deities, and these modern buffoons mistake their own projections as part of the phenomena they are interpreting: the abstraction in their mind as a component of what is being abstracted - anthropomophosizing.
and look at their devout followers/
Ex-Christians, Marxists, and cryto-Christians.  
 
I've described this phenomenon of "unity" as a mental construct, and the process of (inter)activity that resist the hand as a product of pattern harmonization, or congruity.
First it is the mind, by abstraction, that creates the rock as one object, or as mountain, planet, galaxy..., and second the "unity" is not really balanced, as it attracts and repulses internally, due to the patterns and their differing degrees of harmonious (inter)activity, explaining this "harmony" as a balance of attraction/repulsion requiring no selfless and no self-valuing, no appreciation of anything.
I could have used loving/hating , instead of attraction/repulsion, if I were also motivated with selling my views to morons, but I resisted the temptation.

The insistence that this "self" and "value" usage is revolutionizing philosophy, or it constitutes the next phase in Nieatchean thinking, explains why they insist on selling the world this absurdity.
They are trying to integrate Nietzsche, as a symbol of pre-Socratic Hellenism and by extension Aryanism, into Christian metaphysics, creating a new Religion, to add to the Abrahamic triad, or to unify them as one.
My motive is not to mystify and declare myself a demi-god, or a genius or the inheritor of greatness, as it is for the van-clan and their merry moron gathering.
Though they have toned down that crap lately - the ego was spilling out as a spirit of becoming and Will to power....how proud they were.   

The goal is stated by them - unification of east/west... code for Hellenism/Judaism, Hinduism/Buddhism, their projection of future man, and European destiny. Essentially it is a repackaging of Christianity, because Christianity and its secular offshoots of Marxism ( we see socialist tendencies in their delusions, mainly as anarchic deviations, or counter authority, or a hatred for the father) and humanism (plenty of Judaism there - the chosen to be...the meek becoming sacred, by association), witnessing their reaction to Brexit, as a "wonderful" thing, destroying the dreaded Germanic dominated Europe from emerging - Heidegger's dream.
Confusing Americanism for Globalization.   
Their ideal is America and its melting pot mongrelization. Nothing new here either.  
Typical liberal psychology. The r-Selection strategy, only here it is pretending to be K-selection.
Christianity IS this mongrelization of Europe. It is this "third element" in the alcehmic combination of selected parts of Judaism and selected parts of Hellenism to create a Frankenstein.
Reduction of all into a common-denominator: spirit/soul, so alchemy can finalize it magical spell with a verbal incantation: abracadabra....Value-selfing, self-valuing, poof!
Audience cheers, asking....  
How did they do that?
The transition from rock to organism is smooth - sleight of hand. So smooth that they hope nobody notices that from the indefensible, of ascribing a self to a stone, they talk of self only as it applies to organism, where it is rational and nothing new.
then, when nobody is looking, they insert the ridiculous back into the rational.
The stone is apreciating tiself, and then they gafaw when the other laughs at this, because how reasonable it is to assuem that an organism apreciates according to self?
Alchemys of converting the animated principles into inanimate universals - spirit in all things.  
Their "positions" oscillating between absurdity and rationality....back and forth.  
When the absurdity of claiming that a rock self-values is exposing their idiocy, or their need, they switch back to a discussion of how an organism values self which is nothing new.
Then they play the victim card: always misunderstood, their philosophy so simple they cannot understand why nobody gets it, and so revolutioizing, their names will be written in the anals Ha!!, for eternal admiration.


These morons are reinventing the wheel, by changing the names around.

It's not accidental that they sell their magical brew in a forum populated by modern imbeciles - seeped in Nihilistic idealism.
Those are their constituents; the cesspool form where they will find converts to their new Nieatzschean religion - blasphemy to make an idol of the idol breaker, as Saul made Jesus a symbol of a Church he preached against, reinventing Pharisees, a noble term soiled by the Rabbis.
Dying God is an opportunity for the Semite to make a deal - in every tragedy an opportunity.
Preaching to the choir, ideas already infecting their minds, they dream of an empire of fools, liars, idiots, and weaklings, where they will be crowned kings.
They only have to change the words around, altering the names, updating the symbols.
In time Nietzsche will become the symbol of a new Christian ethos, renamed into something else to bury the past in more semantics.    

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:41 am

Watch...

Sauwie wrote:

1-Value Philosophy: First philosophy is the positing of the metaphysics one values the most.
2-Value Metaphysics: Being is essentially Self-Valuing: beings exist inasmuch as they value themselves.
3-Value Axiology: Valuation is a rational value, as the disvaluation of it would disvalue itself, too.
4-Value Logic: Logic's self-identical "A" is a value, and not necessarily a fact.
5-Value Ethics: It is just to consider things just, and unjust to consider things unjust.


1- Self-serving.
My philosophy is what I value the MOST.
Nothing to do with what is.
My preferences become universal truths - right of the superior.  
Dominant subjectivity creates objectivity.

2- Only applicable to living beings.
A humanistic philosophy, excluding the cosmos - philosophy as politics, only applicable within human groups.
Circular reasoning....I exist and I self-value, ergo all that exists must self-value.
Existence described as something specific to the living, particularly the human - anthropomorphic.
What is not like man does not exist.  

3- Economics - cost/benefit, consciousness is assumed as being the universal standard, not specific to living organisms.
Ergo all matter is rational - Alexandrian.
Cosmos is universal consciousness - immanence of God.  

4-Self-referential - a symbol is the same as a symbol - an abstraction (simplification/generalization) is vaguely equal to itself. 1=1 where one is taken for granted as a universal being, a thing. Science of nihilism - the representation is taken literally, or not, depending no the circumstances.  
Philosophy of solipsism. Noetic abstraction is same as itself, My interpretations of world IS the world.
My philosophy is not a fact, it is an ethos producing value system. I am my own standard.

5-Justice irrelevant. Judeo-Christian ethics. All are justified. Justice universalized - all are saved.
My preferred philosophy is one where all is valuable, according to its own values, and all is valuable when it values itself, therefore all is self-valuing.   
Subjectivity raised to the position of objectivity.

Now watch the backpedaling...


I'm so Sauwie wrote:
One may distinguish between four basic levels of self-valuing.
1. Most of existence consists of self-valuings who, however, have no knowledge whatsoever of themselves. That is, they value all things in their grasp in terms of themselves, but that is all they do. They have no notion of themselves.
2. Some of existence consists of self-valuings who do have a notion of themselves. These are what may be called animate beings or the “souled”.
3. Among the latter, there are those who, at least in theory, can know themselves and thereby the whole of which they are parts. These are usually called human beings. (Note that a human being in this sense need in theory not be a member of the species homo sapiens sapiens.)
4. Among the latter, there are those who actually know themselves (or at least can know themselves in practice). These are the ones who know that all beings are self-valuings.


To rectify and justify the use of self in relation to inanimate matter.
Why use "self" and "value" at all?
To make it seem like something new is being proposed.
Choosing "value" and "self" to describe all existence, replaces the Christian "love" and "soul".
This is where the sleight of tongue takes place.
#1 is the bridge to #2,3,4...
It's a casual remark to connect the anthopic with the non-anthropic, using two words that can only apply to living organisms - magical words, acting as metaphorical bridges to connect the ideal and the un-real in the minds of men....because it has no external reference point.
It's a secret resting inside, esoteric, every (inter)action - motive/movement given a purpose.
If the graph takes, the words will be self-evident in their placement - old roots feeding an alien branch.
Social engineering - taming the wild.  

The terms "value, self" are not necessary at all.
Pattern suffices, but it does not carry with it that spiritual link to connect it to Abrahamism, and modern secular Humanism.
Remember the goal here is not clarity but to create a new Religion, which is the refurbishing of what is antiquated and still present - one for the future European man.
Judeo-Christianity for the future, for the modern.  
It's politics masking as philosophy.



I'm so Sauwie wrote:
I see all beings as positing a self (eidos/telos) to strive after--as strivings after a self they themselves posit
Watch how he inserts the pretentious word "eidos", to imply something big and sophisticated is occurring here.
eidos simply means kind, type.
So he asserts that all existing things, which are things because he says so, are motivated by a telos - they have a goal, an end.
Nothing new so far. Many positive Nihilists say the same thing.
Kind implies pattern of (inter)action, but he cannot use such a base and common word, because his Christianity would be obvious, so he uses "value"...as a indication of vibration, energy with particular characteristics....whereas I use pattern and I do not claim this pattern knows itself, is a self, or has an end.
This is unnecessary unless...there is an ulterior motive.
The kind can only be valued by a consciousness in relation to an idea(l).
See what he is implying here....the stone is creating its own self, and striving towards it. Gold posits its goldness and then moves towards it;marble posits its marbleness and strives towards it.
Consciousness is indirectly assumed, though denied rationally, because without it there is no appreciation and without appreciation the entire value structure crumbles into another heap of shit.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is how I describe the same process without adding any humanistic baggage, because I am not concerned with creating a religion or making a name for myself.

In this case the kind of pattern is measured against other patterns, or for Sauwie his own evaluation, in relation to his own ideals, are projected into the stone, as if the stone gave a shit about what Sauwie thinks of it.
it is his right as god among men, I guess.
Might is Right.
The insinuation is one of a objective world being constructed by a superior subjectivity, instead of the reverse. Man, in this case the dynamic duo JJ and Sauwie, are world creating gods....who shall be the one god?
Father/Son...Jesus/God.

The patterns (inter)acting as repulsion/attraction do not require a self, or a value system, or an end.
They are pattern given value by an external consciousness.
The word value does not belong here. It has no place here. .
It is, again, part of a plan to combine two diametrically opposite world-views, and create the NEW RELIGION, of HellenoJudaism.

This is the revolutionary insight these buffoons think they've stumbled upon. Christianity 2.0...or is it 9.0, there have been so many variations.
An upgrade to Nihilism, assimilating, the modern icon of Nietzsche as part of its uniforming all encompassing universality.
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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:39 am

Being trapped in the looping of consciousness made conscious of self, consciously conscious of its own consciousness.
A byproduct of empathy, also confused for sympathy when the projected self associates other with self.
A natural confusion produced by an inadequately delineated sense of self....product of Modern decay, and other genetic factors.
Modern crisis of identity contributing to this stagnation - if the organism is taught to not believe its own senses, it seeks identity in noetic contraptions.
Its subjectivity is a way of asserting itself upon a objective world that does not care for its plans.

I've described it as the entrapment in the third level of cognition or the psychological stagnation on the third level of intentionality - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and as an advancement of the bicameral confusion, emergent consciousness of self produces.



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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:41 am

Wrapping our minds around the phenomenon of otherwise rational men behaving, in public, in such shameless adolescent ways, using word-games to stand out, we must seek in ourselves the psychological motives, and draw our own conclusions.
We have a clear validation of my feminization of man, theory.

Emasculation, the absence of male role models, producing these lost boys looking for masculine ideals in strangers.
The sorry state of Sauwie, is of particular interest me.
Here we have a quintessential delta male - a nice guy, attracted to hyper-masculinity.

Both Fixed and Sauwie identify with the mother, the feminine, the symbol of earth and nature, and each, for their own reasons, is looking for a masculine ideal to stand-in or to compensate for a missing one - they seek balance.
The male enters as a world shaper - a God-like presence, which they represent, or embody....each according to his own level of emasculation.

We recall how unabashedly Fixed declared himself the "true heir of Nietzsche", with such shameless pride.
Nietzsche has become, as he has for many modern males, an icon representing that lost Aryan masculine spirit.
A bridge over the Current to the past, fading.  

To put it in Abrahamic context Nietzsche is a metaphorical god, and Fixed claims the role of Jesus/Messiah, making Sauwie one of the prophets...John the Baptist, baptizing all with his sacred names.
By making that declaration fixed claimed the role of icon, in the eyes of Sauwie and other emasculated lost boys, with no sense of self, because they've lost contact with their own history. Sauwie in his feminine desire to find a living representation of the dead Deity, an alpha-male, accepted this declaration as a matter of fact - dynamics of master/slave - and went to work fleshing out the noetic absurdities.
He became the feminine means to Fix's masculine ends - birthing a living corporeal offspring in the form of followers - herd.
A mass of bodies, like zombies, as mindless rotting flesh and blood of the noetic religion - similar to other Abrahamic religions - baptized "healthy".

Identification with mother makes father a ideal to be worshiped or feared.
Nietzsche, the dead thinker, was the perfect icon: intimidating and inspiring.
fixed wanted to be his only son, growing up to replace good ol' dad.  
He claimed a memetic inheritance because his genetic one failed to meet his criteria.
Sauwie only wanted to be the womb that gestated and gave birth to the messiah, which Fixed now personified as the son of God - Dead God returned to flesh and blood.

Transmutation followed the typical Christian processes, taken from the pagans as myths now literally made real, with the magic of words.
Fixed ambitiously dreams of himself (self-valuing) as god made flesh - Jesus, the mongrel, reborn to take down fascist Rome.
But to do so he needs a messenger, an apostle, which makes Sauwie an important figure in this passionate tale.    
Sometimes Apostle Paul/Saul, sometimes John the Baptist, he will be the bringer of the Messiah's good tidings.

Nietzsche a masculine idol, must be feminized - assimilated into their common identification with their mothers, the feminine.
He must be castrated to feminize him so as to make the transmutation possible - copulation.
A softer, kinder, more humanitarian Nietzsche is reinterpreted from the text.
Heidegger and Hitler got it wrong, you see...for they were the devils, legion, tricking the masses.
Nietzsche is Christianaized, converted to the Abrahamic faiths...but the names (words) had to be changed because it would not sell - the contradiction would be too obvious.
This is how we come to self-valuing.
A different way of saying - self-loving, love-selfing, where love is another name for God, and selfing is his creation, the world.
Everywhere selves, as bits and pieces of the omnipresent Divine.  
A stone is self-loving, love/value the Divine power keeping it intact, giving it purpose, direction, a telos.

Bible rewritten.    

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:19 am

Corruption of the philosopher king
When a mind loses its connection to reality, because it does not satisfy his ambitions, he replaces it with humanity, converting philosophy into a religion, calling humanity reality, and politics his becoming.
Noetic abstractions replace phenomena, the apparent, because thoughts bend where world resists.
His "stamp on the world" will go through humanity, acting, on his behalf, as infected by an ideology agencies of action... and his values will echo in every mouth.
How tolerant can he remain and for how long, with his minions, offering the title of "equal" which he secretly scoffs at?
Another insidious seller of lies. He will become the antithesis of his intent, making excuses, finding hiding places in others, redefining words calling this his "right" as world-maker.  
A castle built on the shifting sands of human flesh, guided by a lie.
A kingdom built with the weakest of all materials.  

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:32 am

Symbiotic Virus
A timid mind finds in a liar, a perfect mate.
Docility given an extraordinary destiny: past/nature compensated for with promises for a immanent future.
Fragile plasticity expanded with hot air, blown from an organic orifice...stretching, risking a bursting, expanding to proportions that surprise itself.
It is now convinced, its self-esteem of atmospheric exhaling can only sustain itself on earth.
I am valuable, it thinks, having been given the words in a breath.
It joyously floats up in air currents, past melancholy left below, carried away....upwards; the world so small beneath it.
A tiny bubble, held by the mater-mouth holds it steady - air outside and inside connecting it to the atmosphere.

Delicate fiber empty, stretched to its limit, attached as a signal, by a mouth that has blown it out of proportions.
It gathers those who want to play with balloons - children.
And when they come the mouth will take over, with its fairy-tales, and the hand will perform its magic tricks, leaving the children open-mouthed, sucking in atmosphere infected with the air expelled by the mouth, in the telling of stories.
The balloon no more than a distraction, for the magic to take effect.  

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:44 am

Tough Love
How harsh a parent becomes to a child lost in its fantasy world.
The nay-sayer placing limits to a child's play.
How negative such a parent will feel, to a child that only wants to explore, carelessly, happily, innocently a world it still cannot fully comprehend.
Always "no" to this and "no" to that, the "yes" will not come until later, but for the child it seems an impossible "yes", a nonexistent "yes" in its world of "no".

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:26 am

Where the van-clan says "value", I say pattern, where they say "self" I say congruity or aggregate, where they say "being", I say process, and becoming.
The word "self" I use to represent a specific kind of congruity of patterns (element - mater/energy), a particular kind of emergent unity.
I project no internal motive to the interplay of patterns attracting/repelling, finding harmony, maintaining balance....
Because I'm not motivated by a need to be worshiped, idolized, or to create an all-inclusive salvation pod for morons to escape the determining immutable past.
I'm not motivated by a erotic desire to be someone representation, his replacement his heir, nor am I interested in acting as his bitch gestating his brain semen, to give birth tot he next generation.
What do you get when you mix a human with an ape?
Nothing great.
What can you get when you mix Hellenism/Rome with Judaism/America = Christianity/Islam, Marxism/Capitalism, binary poles of the nihilistic paradigm.
Repeating the breeding will not change the outcome - a monster is born every time.  

My motive is lucidity, no matter how harsh, not only as it applies to organisms and humans, but to all existence.
If my words are cruel it is because existence is so; if they are inspirational motivating some to act, it is because life is so.  

I am not proposing a global religion, forcing me to assimilate the incompatible into a monstrosity.
My spirituality already is, not demanding followers because those that ignore it will face the consequences in the here and now.
I am not interested in saving anyone.
Let nature have "her" way - let the gods rule.



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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:19 pm

So-Sauwie says, repeating his master's words, heir of Nietzsche, true representative of the new religion's idea{l) ...
value = eidos

In keeping with the Greek...

Self = ego

Value-Ontology....egotistical eidos, eidos egoism
A stone is egotistical.
A piece breaks off the stone, and another ego is born.
And a bit stuck-up if you ask me....she resists my penetration....biatch!

Read Dragon wanted to transform into a monster, surpassing his human feebleness, his genetic weakness, his celft palate stopping him from speaking eloquently, asserting himself, tasting the world.
A quiet, shy, socially inept man, constructing an internal fantasy, in the form of a impressive image, art art-piece he then tattooed on his backside, thinking he had been altered by the symbol, that his flesh had been transformed into the terrifying.
What was warped was his mind, engraved with metaphors, symbols, words, wanting to externalize his inner reality, and come out of hiding.
If they could only see the real him, the world would tremble.
The love of a blind black woman, the lowliest of the low, a walking visible minority that could not appreciate her difference, nor his.... could not hold him back from his final transformation.  
He had to kill the mind that inspired and tormented him, his spiritual father....for him to come into his own, to finish the rite of passage.
But before that he had to make him see, and quake, avenging himself for what was blind and dead.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:19 am

I will post the third sequel to my "State of the World Address" here unchanged from when I wrote its first, full draft a couple of days ago. I will add this, though: according to this thread, and perhaps not only to this thread, I am the Alpha and the Omega: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Also, the rest of Satyr's posts in this thread (http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/t2101-state-of-the-world-address) are terrible both in writing and in thinking. Therefore, I don't think I'll be dealing with him at all anymore, whether directly or indirectly. Fixed Cross wonders whether his IQ is even average.

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Your "Bible Rewritten" Post is actually quite good, dear Satyr. I am, perhaps, the daintily fluting Shepherd to your "Satyr" (cf. Nietzsche, Birth of Tragedy Cool. As your Precursor, the Great Bill Boethius once said: "I've often found that our enemies can state our position more clearly than we ourselves can" (reproduced by heart, read in 2001). By the way, from now on I'll only deal with you directly, not with your Wife, Lys, the Ex-Wife of Moody Lawless.

At the very least, you're wrong about myself and Fixed, though. Fixed is my Best Friend, but definitely not literally my Bosom Friend. Blake's Proverb of Hell, "Opposition is true Friendship", is particularly applicable to our Friendship. But I keep thinking, time and again, that I See what you're Trying to Do There.

This my Coming-Out is what you've always Demanded of me. Well then, here I am! But I have come to take this your place, and show you your _true_ place. For I am also _your_ Spiritual Heir, the Synthesis of You and your Good Counterpart. Unlike you, I returned Home from Zarathustra's mission to "forsake him". You may be a Free, Very Free Spirit, but I am Become a (the) Philosopher of the Future.

"Nihilism as a symptom that the Underprivileged have no Comfort left; that they Destroy in Order to Be Destroyed; that without Morality they no longer have any Reason to 'resign themselves'--that they place themselves on the Plain of the Opposite Principle and also want Power by COMPELLING the Powerful to become their Hangmen. This is the European Form of Buddhism--DOING No after all existence has lost its 'Meaning'." (Nietzsche, Will to Power 55, My Capitalization.)

Who is Who here, "Satyr"? I've certainly been Underprivileged in many ways: especially with regard to the lack of Respect I have got thus far. But now, I will COMMAND respect. I am the Mahdi or Messiah of Self-Valuing, the Theosis Virtuosis Cyclosis of Nietzsche's Teaching. I am the Golden Fire-Hound who Represents Zarathustra in the Marketplace of Ideas. Ecce Homo!

If you feel I've really gone too far this time ("Anti-people now you've gone too far / With your Antichrist Superstar!" [Marilyn Manson, "1996"])--I hereby challenge you to make an end of me! Make something bad happen to me on the 25th of this month, as Lys suggested to me! Will it be while I'm jogging in the Vondelpark around midnight, or when I'm cycling in a hearty tempo to or from work before or after 0:00? Will it be when I least expect it? Will my side be pierced with a gladius by a Christian Roman soldier, like Julianus Apostata's? Do you have your men everywhere, like your role model Tyler Durden? Or are you just Bluffing, like a Blustering Buffoon?

Contrary to you, I Welcome being perceived as a buffoon. Contrary to you: "Oh look, I'm no buffoon, I'm this Ugly and Masculine Beast called 'Satyr'!" But, my dear Grunting-Pig, what you don't Grasp is that being a Satyr means being both Man and Animal, and not just the Animal. It means to invoke into one's own Being the God Dionysus. This I have done, by διζησθαι ἐμεωυτόν; but in order to do the latter, I first had to Study our Philosophical History. Our History began in a major way with the Greeks on the one hand and the Jews on the other. You, as a Jew-hating Nazi, hate the Judeo-Christian part of your inheritance (genetic as well as memetic!). But for this reason, you cannot be a Nietzschean Übermensch:

"It is Crucial to see Why [... Nietzsche's] Will to Overpower cannot Simply Will the Past's Nobility and Abandon its Slavish, Base Elements. [... I]f Ultimate Reality is Solely this Dionysian Will to Overpower, then Everything in the Conscious, Common Sense world must be Caused by it. Since Everything Includes Contemporary Egalitarians and the Past Responsible for them, the Will to Overpower must be responsible for Them Too. Unlike Nietzsche, the Superman will be Fully in Harmony with that Will; Only He can Will the Eternal Return of the Whole Past." (Harry Neumann, LIBERALISM, Page 165, My Capitalization.)

You've manifested yourself as the Representative of Entropy because you cannot Will the Eternal Recurrence. You can't find Joy even in the Judaization of Greece, the Christianization of Rome, the Feminization of the (according to Harry Jaffa now global) West--at least not from the Inside. I mean, it's obvious that you take Pleasure in Cruelty, but only from the Outside, trying to make others Face the Eternal Fact of Entropy. Where's your Cruelty toward YOURSELF, the Spiritual Cruelty with which you Embrace the Dwarf within you? Adopt Me as your Successor, "Satyr": I am the Caesar of Knowledge with the Soul of Christ. As I wrote in 2001 to a melody I'd composed in 1999:

"I swear it is true, I am love within you,
So improve the solution that sweetens your oysters today,
Or tonight..."

Don't Cry, "Satyr"!

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:45 pm

I'm So Sauwie wrote:
I will post the third sequel to my "State of the World Address" here unchanged from when I wrote its first, full draft a couple of days ago. I will add this, though: according to this thread, and perhaps not only to this thread, I am the Alpha and the Omega: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Also, the rest of Satyr's posts in this thread (http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/t2101-state-of-the-world-address) are terrible both in writing and in thinking. Therefore, I don't think I'll be dealing with him at all anymore, whether directly or indirectly. Fixed Cross wonders whether his IQ is even average.

If the charlatan says so...then how could it not be so?
You know how we share a respect for him and his many brilliant insights....we two are so alike Sauwie
Actually my IQ is way below average, and this still is no response to my challenge.
I like that the van clan talks about me, behind my back....I can only guess at the snickering and condescending laughter....it brings me joy to think of it.

"He JUST doesn't GET IT!!! Is he an idiot?"
I've heard those same words in churches.
"Tsk, tsk, tsk, sinner doesn't understand the glory of God, found in Scripture."

I hate to correct you, again, but the "state of the world" address, though appropriate, should have read "state of the uni-verse".
Don't be so meek.
Your religion will shake the universe. Stones will self-value, and the ancients will be reborn as multicultural "last men" - shamanism.
Every pebble will be aware and breathing spirit.

But who am I kiddin'?
You are another wannabe, who, due to some inherited traits and personal experiences, is now compensating, trying to inflate what he never had, blowing word after word into his ego's deflated hot air balloon.
You found a charlatan who told you what you wanted to hear... from a father.
He told you what his own never told him.
Gave you a word you could rally behind - and from a wannabe Nietzsche you became Saul, to his Jesus - an omega, as always.

Your desire to convert Nietzsche into a religion, alongside Judeo-Christianity, is enough for me.

Who are you two, to be so condescending, when you've made fools of yourself for so long on-line?
Who is who, indeed.
Clowns?
clown  
You are a big joke, made all the more funnier because you take yourselves seriously.
I've seen the evolution, from hoodies to van, and now...is the big meeting postponed?
From ontology to theosophy...progress is being made.
How many lost boys will you take advantage of?
How much feebleness will you exploit to deal with your own?
I don't mind exploitation but to then call it integrity....for shame.
At least be honest in private.

If you do not care, stop here, go back to snickering and laughing....and who the fuck cares?
Anyway...

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I'm So Sauwie wrote:
Your "Bible Rewritten" Post is actually quite good, dear Satyr. I am, perhaps, the daintily fluting Shepherd to your "Satyr" (cf. Nietzsche, Birth of Tragedy Cool. As your Precursor, the Great Bill Boethius once said: "I've often found that our enemies can state our position more clearly than we ourselves can" (reproduced by heart, read in 2001). By the way, from now on I'll only deal with you directly, not with your Wife, Lys, the Ex-Wife of Moody Lawless.

Ah Billy....yes the incarnation of Nietzsche himself.
You've progressed from one alpha to the next, like a good bitch.
One abusive master is replaced by another, maybe kinder one...a flatterer.
Were you the wife he rejected?
Look at how you and Bill now have common enemies...meaning he is on board VO?
Is he a silent partner?
By the way, I understand why you would choose to avoid Lyssa.
Being arse-raped by a man is one thing, but a female...in public?!!!  
Ouch!!!
Wait....sometimes I am clueless about the magic in your theosophy and the next I can more clearly describer it?
Another joke.
Everything you produce is a reproduction from heart, sweet Sauwie, coming here to expose the Satyr to the world.

Was she too much for you, dear Sauwie? Your master ran, as well, then he sent poor Pezer to exploit a weakness - a go-pher-lost-sophist.
Washing dishes to fund the master's works...and where's all the power he promised?  
Now...you?
She speaks your language better than you, making her someone you cannot handle.
Did she expose your lies using your own metaphors and references and mythologies?
Did you reply?

I, on the other hand, do not need that dainty, metaphorical poetry....not all the time.
I am vulgar in a politically-correct age.
I do not write to impress, nor do I spend hours thinking it over before I post.
Stream-of-thought, is all you DESERVE.
Mistakes and all.
I've already posted everything I wanted to say about world, and humanity.
Nothing left but to confront morons, like you, who come looking for my stick...but that is becoming too much for me, in my old age.
I'm not the Satyr I once was, So-Sauwie.
2000 Satyr would have had you, and your van-clan for breakfast...at Mikes...then a dump in McDees.

Making an exception, this time, because you are normally so shy....and here you are.....desperate, needy, with your dick out.....wanting to let me know what you think of me.....sweet alpha/OMEGA.
Did he pump you up beforehand, or has your girlfriend sparked that alpha masculinity in you....has she made the testosterone flow?
I can relate.
Women are so psychologically powerful...they can raise a man up, or bring him down; make him feel like a tiger, or a lamb.

I think that if you cannot explain your views of the world with straightforward words then you do not know what you are talking about, pretending you are....feeling their truth.
Unlike you I will not accuse you of having a below average IQ....but only of being a coward, a hypocrite, and a moron....from the Greek μορος....the mind of a child, not having gone through the appropriate rites of passage; stuck, retarded, in perpetual adolescence.
I could have gone with μαλακας...but you are not that effete.

You love words, no Sauwie? Then why do you not show them your love and respect by giving them their rightful place?
Why do you abuse them to deal with your insecurities?
Every word has its place, otherwise we are using chaos/randomness to justify our personal subjective world, ignoring reality and the objective.
Order in the world limits our actions, including our language use....kids have to be taught this.  
Words have a specific utility - connecting mind to world, once they've been shaped into a representation of the exoteric/esoteric data streaming into the brain.
They are tools, as I've also already said....not toys for boys with needs.  

For example, using "value" instead of "kind" shows an intent your declared motives contradict - "eidos" would force you to use "ego" instead of "self", if you had any integrity.
You do not wish to be fully understood, it would shatter the mystique.
You do not want to see world, but only impose your world, with you as an important figure within it.    
If you used a simpler word, a more appropriate one, your "quality", behind all that lingo and all mythological references, would be more than obvious to all those people you two are trying to seduce, and impress, with parlor tricks.

Know what I truly enjoy?
Watching your master, the charlatan, flatter those that defer to his bullshyte, as if they got it.....but then those that expose it as verbal diarrhea he accuses of not getting it.
All it takes is to flatter the man-child, and he'll forgive you your misunderstandings; incorporate them into his "truth".

Common definition...
Value = a word meaning a measurement of something; something given a measure.  
A stone has no value in and of itself.
It just is.
Value is given according to a standard...which in the case of a rock is external to its (inter)activity.
Value is given to it, in relation to an objective - evaluated in reference to this objective.
Objectives are conscious projections....not part of cosmic telos...a movement towards a goal.
Only life gives meaning and projects goals...has intent.
   
If value simply means energy, as it should, then its usage hides a motive because more appropriate words are already in use to express this concept....because my use of pattern is more appropriate - but pattern cannot be used to imply something Christian, something the masses will be seduced by.
It has no magical potential. It only describes a dynamic persistence, a predictable repeating process, with no intent, no goal, no telos, no self.
Pattern simply implies dynamic, repeating, consistency, and the concept self cannot be attached to it. Repulsion/Attraction is simply a description of how the particular pattern relates and/or (inter)acts with another particular pattern.
Calling this a "self" is disingenuous.
Protons and electrons in an attraction/repulsion, near perfect harmonic relationship is not a self. They do not intend to remain a unity.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
   
I've explained why I use "pattern", not interested in being "lord of the world", or "becoming Nietzsche", but only to see and to understand the cosmos before I become unconscious to it.

A vibrating string - if we switch metaphors to String Theory - has no value....unless someone measures it using a specific standard, which is based on an abstraction.
A group of strings vibrating in near-perfect harmony, is not a self, an ego.
If you use "value" instead of vibration (energy, pattern) you are choosing wrongly to confuse the phenomenon.....
Number/words are symbols of value....they do not exist independent from mind.
They are phenomenon given a symbol, a value, a name.
Value is how a mind relates to a phenomenon.
 
I'm directing this to the audience, 'cause you bore me.  
drunken

Kind/eidos are also human categories describing patterns, excluding non-patterned dynamic processes.
Humans create categories of pattern, using similarities: difference united according to degree of similarity, with no absolutes.  
Patterns deteriorate in time....making chaos increase in time/space, but also making the emergence of patterns possible.

I've also described my understanding of this, without mystifying it and making it into a religion, hypocrite.
You who idolizes the idol breaker; you who wants to convert the enemy of the church into a symbol of a church; the destroyer of religion into an icon of a new one....hypocrite.
Not spirituality but RELIGION, with you and the charlatan as its high priests.  
Numbers and words only affect organism sharing the symbolism....has no power outside the brains sharing this language....but I've also explained how it may have an external effect.

Patterns =  is a vibration, energy, oscillating to a frequency (pattern if the frequency is ordered, chaos if it is not). Frequency is the speed of this repetition/oscillation, what a\ moron, like you, would understand as eidos, kind, value.
Whether you use value as energy, or as kind, or as god, you are purposefully using it to accommodate your need to connect Abrahamic traditions with Aryan ones.
Your purpose exceeds reality....and so you must reduce yourself to word-games.
You want to integrate those that love life with those that hate it; those that accept world with those that reject it, choosing WORDS instead.
You want to assimilate the slave with the master, like a good Christian.  
A string only acquires value when there is a mind present to appreciate it, and to perceive it and to measure its frequency - only then does the word "value" have meaning.
It is pattern with no innate value.
I'm using my words because your smell of filth.
But that's your motive, no? To give it YOUR value - your political, idealism.
A pattern exists whether there is a mind present, or not - it is another word describing order(ing).

Order = probability, or the exclusion of possibilities and the increase in some possibilities, where possibility means space, and time means movement through space.
Pattern is another word for order(ing), but more precise because it also implies consistency, predictability, probability in other words order, pathetic man-child..and ti also resists pseudo-intellectual attempts to Christianize it, to baptize it.

But you shift from one meaning to another...one moment it means no more than kind, the next it means something other, something magical that also characterizes rocks, and you can attach "self" alongside it.
Whomever does not submit to the seesaw is not getting it.
This insertion is what gave you away. If you had kept to 'value' then I could have excused it as your artistic expression of energy, of pattern, or order, but you had to include 'self' as the magical Trojan horse word...to then connect it with what it cannot connect with.  
You hide running from the rational, claiming it as yours, to the irrational, using it to exploit.
From eidos to ego, and back and forth, and nobody, not of the right mind, just cannot get-it.....
One moment it means no more than energy, kind, type, the next it means something more....as self-valuing: eidos with an ego, a sense of Identity.
If the other is submissive, he understood....if not, his IQ must be too low.    
Dirty pathetic scoundrels....
HA!!!
Patterns attract not because they appreciate but because they harmonize...no intent, no self.
I've also explained, using simple words, how patterns of the same kind, or patterns with a close enough frequency can attract one another, as if they willed themselves together.
It's in the link I posted, if you care....

It's the same trick the Christians use with Jesus....if you accept him into your heart, you got it....if not, you hate God, you resist, you just cannot understand.
Why can't you understand? What is wrong with you?
Can't you see how love and god go together.

I say congruence. Leaving self to indicate a living entity...an aggregate of patterns in relative harmony directing the emergent unity towards what attracts, what pulls it, later evolving into an appreciation at a distance.


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
At the very least, you're wrong about myself and Fixed, though. Fixed is my Best Friend, but definitely not literally my Bosom Friend. Blake's Proverb of Hell, "Opposition is true Friendship", is particularly applicable to our Friendship. But I keep thinking, time and again, that I See what you're Trying to Do There.

At the very least, I'm sure....and you'll make sure you selectively post this on the forums where you seduce morons into the coming future...SO-SO-Sauwie....the girlfriend has to admire your masculine prowess.
I know the official narrative, I am not interested in how you two understand your lasting relationship, now going through some rough patches after finding erotic alternatives...I even watched those enlightening vids of you speaking, and him coaching.....as he did Pezer..
That was more entertaining.
His technique was impeccable.
Hovering, with that subtle verbal nudge....allowing the child to speak, correcting it once in a while.
Watched the student's eyes seek his approval, stumbling over his desire to please the master...it was wonderful.

If I simply accepted whatever others thought of themselves, and declared themselves as being, justifying their doings, I would be a Christian, or some other kind of half-wit.
It's quite sweet, actually...a bromance, as the moderns call it.
Stronger than romances, in my experience.
A symbiosis.
A friendship built around a shared ambition: to be gods among men, to live in infamy, to bring about the coming of the future man - the overman.
As if you saying I am no overman would matter, you imbecile...as if you are.

The need will fail you, because it is placed in the place of the charioteer - passion guiding reason.
Imagine an artist who starts creating art not because he must, not because it spills out of him, but to be appreciated, loved, made famous - a pop-artist.

I sense conflict over who will be the name/face associated with VO...father/son.
Rite ritual has started.  
Dual pillars, bridging Judeo-Christianity and Arianism - combining the healthy body and the virus into a new species you call ubermensch, because that's how you've interpreted the master.
Some fancy word-play will be required.
Like choosing specific words to insinuate this overcoming of a great divide, a contradicting concept.

You like words, Sauwie, how would you translate value-selfing/self-valuing into the Greek eidos/ego?


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
This my Coming-Out is what you've always Demanded of me. Well then, here I am! But I have come to take this your place, and show you your _true_ place. For I am also _your_ Spiritual Heir, the Synthesis of You and your Good Counterpart. Unlike you, I returned Home from Zarathustra's mission to "forsake him". You may be a Free, Very Free Spirit, but I am Become a (the) Philosopher of the Future.

Red Dragon....I demand nothing of you.
And this place is yours if you can take it.
This is your coming out party?
Out of the closet?

You are an interesting case, is all.
The human condition fascinates me, and you are another example of what I've described, years ago, as "feminzation of mankind" but am currently including it in a broader infection which I've diagnosed as Nihilism - not meaning it as the Moderns do, and you perhaps, because the concept nihilism is also part of Nihilism's memetic inversion.
With your higher IQ you can appreciate this, no?
The reasons have been explained, as always, because I do not just throw words around to be noticed, or to seduce the needy and build a constituency.
The opposite, if anything...I drive others away.

Such a "coming out" when you have nervously scampered to another shadow.
Where in all this are YOUR thoughts?
All I see is you referring and deferring.
Nietzsche from Lampert, Nietzsche from Strauss, Nietzsche from Bill, Nietzsche from Iakob....and on and on...

"The Philosopher of the Future"!!
Ha!!
Zarathustra coming "down" to combine the one/nil into a nil/nil uniformity - speaking of chaos worshipers.
Combining positive/negative destroys the positive, combining chaos and order destroys order and helps chaos increase - the negative carries on - being its opposite.
Mixing shit with milk destroys the milk.
Linear time.
You cannot reduce chaos further, but you can reduce order.  
But in the chaos order emerges, no?
This needs more explanation but fuck it....who cares when it comes to you?
Screaming at a Zombie...
I've already explained it elsewhere.
Never-mind.

You are the "future"?! Shocked
Will the gods not pity us?
In this day and age, another messiah, climbing out of the filth to wear a crown. Decadence makes simpletons ambitious.


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
"Nihilism as a symptom that the Underprivileged have no Comfort left; that they Destroy in Order to Be Destroyed; that without Morality they no longer have any Reason to 'resign themselves'--that they place themselves on the Plain of the Opposite Principle and also want Power by COMPELLING the Powerful to become their Hangmen. This is the European Form of Buddhism--DOING No after all existence has lost its 'Meaning'." (Nietzsche, Will to Power 55, My Capitalization.)
There it is: another example of your beta psychology.
Was Fixed a fleshed out Nietzsche, for you?
Nietzsche reborn. Was he really the true heir?
How did his proclamation make you feel? Where did it place you?
What did Bill think of him? Competing representatives of the dead one.
What were you in this triad...an apostle?    
Twisted Evil
And there you are proposing a nihilistic world-view where rocks are conscious, reducing consciousness to some divine thing, and making value valueless, when all have it when they exist.
Like christian love...all are loved, all are lovable, all ought to self-love, love-self.  
Did not the Judeo-Christians already do that?

Building meaning on delusions will not help you, for long.
Giving meaning to world, morality to it, has to start from the ground up - defining and understanding what morality is, and which meaning will survive the flux.
...or do you want me to express this using some archaic academic reference to make it more intellectual for obtuse pretentious gits, like you, using word juggling to insert mystification where none is necessary?
World is mysterious as it is....by its very essence, when you include randomness. Trying to soften it for the common mind, is you wanting to be loved...to be "valued".


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
Who is Who here, "Satyr"? I've certainly been Underprivileged in many ways: especially with regard to the lack of Respect I have got thus far. But now, I will COMMAND respect. I am the Mahdi or Messiah of Self-Valuing, the Theosis Virtuosis Cyclosis of Nietzsche's Teaching. I am the Golden Fire-Hound who Represents Zarathustra in the Marketplace of Ideas. Ecce Homo!
Will you start seducing my "followers"?
Will you win the absent lord's wife's acquiescence?
You will command nothing, with declarations and exclamation marks.
There you are selling Christ using a different word, dreaming of a holy Roman Empire and you as its Ceaser/Pope.
I tremble not.
Respect, dear boy, is based on intimidation, and the desire not to lose something precious.
You insult my sense of integrity, my intelligence, my aesthetics with your childish games - you are rude in your duplicitous civility.
You offer, nor threaten, anything precious.
What you offer Nietzsche as the Christ-figure - repackaged, renamed, recycled, resold.
You are the eternal returning of viral infection, memetic dis-ease....and I appreciate you as what you are.
Sickness keeping my immune system fit.  
You only teach the methods moderns use of detaching words from world, and then constructing fantastic delusions, so impressive that the masses of morons are held captive - and if the magician believes in his own magic, he becomes all the more effective with those who are predisposed to want, to wish, to believe in a world of more than the apparent.
Look at your van-clan....appreciate the members objectively.
Look at your antics over the years - mistakes covered up, defeats converted to victories, shame into pride, performing for the crowd, like clowns. using gimmicks, declaring yourselves this and that........
Paaaathetic...
Rolling Eyes
Repackaging old ideas and selling them to people who have lost their way in this Modern Nihilistic Americanized culture-of-no-culture, is nothing to be proud of.
It's easy...


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
If you feel I've really gone too far this time ("Anti-people now you've gone too far / With your Antichrist Superstar!" [Marilyn Manson, "1996"])--I hereby challenge you to make an end of me! Make something bad happen to me on the 25th of this month, as Lys suggested to me! Will it be while I'm jogging in the Vondelpark around midnight, or when I'm cycling in a hearty tempo to or from work before or after 0:00? Will it be when I least expect it? Will my side be pierced with a gladius by a Christian Roman soldier, like Julianus Apostata's? Do you have your men everywhere, like your role model Tyler Durden? Or are you just Bluffing, like a Blustering Buffoon?

You are afraid...
Magical minds fear the power of magic, when they are only words.
I threaten nobody.
My only interest in you is as a social phenomenon, defining modernity - a psychosis.
I've been threatened, I never threaten...a dog growls only if it does not intend to bite.
Why do anything to you, even if I was so inclined, when world will do it for me?
Patterns....make you predictable.
This one seems to be consistent.
It time you will become disillusioned with this alpha and seek another, always under the Nieatzschean umbrella.  
Your pattern is stuck in a rotating satellite trajectory - biggest mass attracts you to it...and by mass I mean quantities, numerical effect.   
In your distress I see that inclination that draws you to comforting, protective, charlatans like Fixed.
Words are powerful in your mind - they take you over: gravity fields of attraction/repulsion in the memetic context.
Calm down "brave" one, I'm not out to get you.  
I want you to go further, so that I can experience the full spectrum of human depravity.
I enjoy watching you and your van-clan build and destroy, and dance.......and speak such pretty words, and promise so much to the boys and girls.

My ally is cosmos....and I worship no man, alive or dead, nor any self-proclaiming monsters.
The world will teach you your lessons...not I.
I only want to watch.

I am a surfer...on the waves of time.
I will drown, one day, but until then I glide on liquid turmoil, my arms stretched in the air to gather the sun rays.
I've learned how to swim...deep into the abyss, holding my breathe as long as I can.
I've seen the monsters swimming down there.  


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
Contrary to you, I Welcome being perceived as a buffoon. Contrary to you: "Oh look, I'm no buffoon, I'm this Ugly and Masculine Beast called 'Satyr'!"
Then as a buffoon you shall be perceived.
Shame, now appropriated by Christianity, is a self-controlling mechanism. Measures man against his own principles.
Keeps the ego in-check before it hurts itself.

I am neither masculine nor feminine, neither man nor beast, neither pretty or ugly, in this medium.
To effete boys, I come across as masculine; to positive moderns I come cross as pessimistic...and vice versa.
I remember another clown, who despised existence....to him I must have appeared a naive optimist.

But we live in a culture infected with positive-Nihilism....so my personae gives a negative bitter taste to tongues raised on sweet-candy goodness, and that sugar high...    


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
But, my dear Grunting-Pig, what you don't Grasp is that being a Satyr means being both Man and Animal, and not just the Animal. It means to invoke into one's own Being the God Dionysus.
Are you sure I do not grasp this, or do you prefer, as a master of your own domain, choose to believe it is so?
I really do not care, because I live in reality, and my words connect noumenon with phenomenon, whether I like it or not.
The Satyr metaphor must confuse you...I came as Satyr among those who pretend to be above animal, calling themselves HUMAN.
I remind them.
To those that are manimals, or pretend to be brutish and proud of it, I come as man.  
Half-man/half/goat... I embrace my animal nature, I do not give into it.
It is against the cosmos that I measure myself, including humanity, whereas you call humanity your world, and think that by mastering it you've mastered existence.


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
This I have done, by διζησθαι ἐμεωυτόν; but in order to do the latter, I first had to Study our Philosophical History. Our History began in a major way with the Greeks on the one hand and the Jews on the other. You, as a Jew-hating Nazi, hate the Judeo-Christian part of your inheritance (genetic as well as memetic!). But for this reason, you cannot be a Nietzschean Übermensch:

No, Sauwie...I hate nothing other than hypocrites and liars. Most of all the pretentious arrogant types.
I bully bullies, and the biggest bullies are the humble masses.
Hating the Jew would only feed his victim identity.
You are sounding more and more like a typical average Modern moron.
"Misogynist!!, Antisemite!!! Hater!!!!
Calling a moron moron is not hatred...it is fact.
Not all Semites are Jews.

I do not hate the dis-ease, genetic and/or memetic.
I dissect it and study it to keep it out of my system - training my autoimmune system to recognize and adapt, preventing  it from giving me a fever, as it has with you.
I cast a light upon it, not wanting to harm it, but to look at it react.
It culls the weak...it is of use.
Look at how much dirt it attracts - clumping it together.  

My inheritance is not Judaism, nor is it for many others here ...you have accepted it as your own, that is what makes you what you are - hybrid, using Paganism to excuse your Abrahamic soul.
Character = Pagan
Personae = Abraham
The mask Aryan, the face secular Judeo-Christianity.
Exaggerated masculinity to cover a cowering feminine spirit.
Do you think I do not feel it pulling inside me...this need to be a victim.

You will not infect me with your dis-ease; I am immune to words, or any memetic virus using them to transfer its infection.
I refuse to allow it to define me.  
Judaism is part of the past/nature I accept and master, or struggle to...I do not idealize it.
Recuperation has been a lifelong agon.  
I am not defined by my simian past, either.
Accepting it is not surrendering to it.
I'm not going to baptize concepts to make my past more palatable, in relation to my idea(l).
I will not succumb to the easy solution, tricking myself in such ways.
Whatever damage the dis-ease has left in me, it is to be overcome, or coped with.  
 
See...a Christian you are, offering salvation for all.
Even christian faith claims to be harsh...and discriminating, if you accept its definitions...its linguistics.
A half-breed Jesus, where opposites unite into a representation - alchemy.  

I prefer the eternal conflict - I discriminate.
I will not give birth to miasma. I will remain clean, to the end.
This is why you use "value" and insinuate "self" into inanimate matter - Spinozean...your heroes are all Modern Jews.
What is left of the Aryan, in you? Plato?
Runes?
Words declaring yourself "king"?
Corrupt philosopher-king, you've been predicted a long time ago.

I will not declare myself 'chosen', to comfort myself.
You do as you like...I'm sure it is psychologically comforting.
Can't bring myself to that low.....can't swallow my pride, can't abandon integrity and allow a cancer to be included in my identification of self.
If I am infected with cancer, let me die aware of this dis-ease not belonging to my organic health.


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
"It is Crucial to see Why [... Nietzsche's] Will to Overpower cannot Simply Will the Past's Nobility and Abandon its Slavish, Base Elements. [... I]f Ultimate Reality is Solely this Dionysian Will to Overpower, then Everything in the Conscious, Common Sense world must be Caused by it. Since Everything Includes Contemporary Egalitarians and the Past Responsible for them, the Will to Overpower must be responsible for Them Too. Unlike Nietzsche, the Superman will be Fully in Harmony with that Will; Only He can Will the Eternal Return of the Whole Past." (Harry Neumann, LIBERALISM, Page 165, My Capitalization.)

Knowing the past does not mean one surrenders to it - you will the return of what made you possible, which would also include sickness.  
To overpower, you must understand...to understand, as I've repeated many times, is to find PATTERNS in the knowing.
Being responsible for a child does not mean one lets it have its way, or allowing it to believe it is master of the universe - this creates arrogant snivelling brats.....narcissistic buffoons, hyepr-masculine men-children.
Tough love = humility before the cosmos. Adaptation of the subjective to the objective.
Feeding an ego that has no limits produces arrogance, destined to break its face against a world that will not bend to its will - preferring to focus on humans and call it world.
Understanding allows the mind to find ways to bend, to move within, to dance to a tune played by cosmic (inter)activity.
Humans are boring. Their motives their methods, transparent.

Without the humbling, limiting objective world, minds, like yours, compensate for an innate sense of weakness, with hyper-masculine displays, or they bow down, to find relief in association.

Listen boy, if I wanted you, or Billy-boy, to like me, to respect me, I would have made it happen all those years ago when you came sniffing, and I bit.
I could have sat-in on your van-clan meetings, where we planned the take-over of the world; the "alpha" patting our heads with praise, giving direction, as if we were freely offering our services.
Never could be a bitch...not to Billy, or Iakob, or Frank...or God.
Don't care what they promised me.
You are my opposite.  


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
You've manifested yourself as the Representative of Entropy because you cannot Will the Eternal Recurrence. You can't find Joy even in the Judaization of Greece, the Christianization of Rome, the Feminization of the (according to Harry Jaffa now global) West--at least not from the Inside. I mean, it's obvious that you take Pleasure in Cruelty, but only from the Outside, trying to make others Face the Eternal Fact of Entropy. Where's your Cruelty toward YOURSELF, the Spiritual Cruelty with which you Embrace the Dwarf within you? Adopt Me as your Successor, "Satyr": I am the Caesar of Knowledge with the Soul of Christ. As I wrote in 2001 to a melody I'd composed in 1999:
I bring chaos to those who believe they have overcome it, and to those who are overwhelmed by it I bring order.
Modernity is seeped in crypto-nihilism, I have identified as "positive Nihilism": offering order that contradicts cosmic order, like Abrahamism and Marxism, and Humanism, and....VO.
...like the van-clan's insertion of "self" into a sentence where it does not belong, or the choice of "value" instead of "kind" or "eidos", to mystify, to Christianize, to deify.
Pattern, dear boy....no motive in elements wanting, desiring, to keep together.
Patterns (inter)acting as repulsion/attraction.
If you do not care to understand my positions, because it will only reveal how your positions are wanting, or not unique and revolutionary, then don't....enjoy this, my gift, of showing interest in your positions and making them central to this discussion.
I am generous, up to a point.
 
My position:  patterns (inter)acting in the only way they can - repulsion/attraction, creating ephemeral unities.
There is no self, as pebble, self as stone, self as mountain, self as planet, self as solar system, self as galaxy...
only that word, made your entire thesis crumble. you could have rescued the "value" part playing the "nobody understand us" routine,, but when you included "self" alongside it, you became nothing but lying, pretentious, plagiarizing, buffoons, claiming the theory is simple but only the genius can comprehend it - *pat pat on your back Sauwie....and *giggle giggle, little girl.
I love making imbeciles happy.

This is what the brain/mind does....it unites, simplifies/generalizes patterns into unities, into abstractions.
A stone is only a singular object in the mind.
It has no self appreciation, no desire to remain as it is. It remains so due to the attraction/repulsion forces of different patterns (elements) (inter)acting.  
Self only applies to organic matter, dear boy.
It is a specific word meant to apply to specific phenomena - in this case self-iterating, patterns in congruence- animated.

If no linguistic order applies then any moron in need of something, can manufacture any sentence using words in any sequence, and then declare it the next great thing, and accuse others of not "getting" it.
You are NOT the victim of misunderstanding, dear boy.
You are not a genius among inferiors.
You are not being physically threatened, coward.   
You are a needy little boy, trapped in a man's body, desperate to cultivate an identity, according to his ideals, to raise his self-esteem...to become a MAN.
How can you, when you never speak of world without proxies?
You purposefully obfuscate to escape detection, as your mentor taught you.
When you dare to simplify your ideology it becomes clear what it is and what you are.
When you replaced "value" with "kind" and "eidos" it lost its magic, didn't it, and you lost your magical aura, didn't you?

Admit it openly...you want to create an Abrahamic-Aryan hybrid, bowing heavily towards the Abrahamic to make it universal, appealing to the masses, including them all in your world shattering religion.
Was Nietzsche identifying with the virus or admiring its tenacity, its virility, urging Europeans to find inspiration in it?
Was he an anti-antisemite because he idealized the memetic virus, or because it fed into their victim psychosis?
Was Nietzsche a Democrat, a multicultural liberal Humanist?
Why would you hate a virus for what it is?


I'm So Sauwie wrote:
"I swear it is true, I am love within you,
So improve the solution that sweetens your oysters today,
Or tonight..."

Don't Cry, "Satyr"!

[laughing smiley]
Why do you want to make me cry, dear boy?
Crying or Very sad
Have I done this to you and you are full of resentiment?
Do you seek vengeance?

Laughing hints at nervous tension released... commonly used by cowards to insinuate indifference, by contradicting themselves with action.
Perhaps anxiety, now relieved.
How does it feel to have your trousers dropped in public, exposing those panties you wear?
Do you giggle to deal with the anxiety of being exposed?


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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:46 pm

Now look what you've made me do....returned me to those days of me wasting my time on buffoons.
I'll only forgive you this one time.
Let's see if you can hold the line and my interests for long.
Remarkable that I am part of your rite of passage.

Oh, and Sauwie, I don't give a shit about Nietzsche and you quoting him as if he made a point for you, or as if his name alone is a mark of validation.
I'll accept it as part of your mental handicap, knowing the master is coaching you, and keeping your spirits high with clever words.
I am not like you buffoons and your worshiping of men, competing over who is the master's favourite cunt.
You can have that position...it is all yours.
I'm no Nieatzschean, whatever that means...I am Satyr.
 
What did he tell you...
"He's below average, you can take him. He's easy. Stay away form Lyssa, she rapes."
Told Pezer my Achilles heal is Nietzsche lore.
HA!!
But he will not come, will he?


Here's a synopsis to not force you to read the above....I want to make it as easy on you as possible.
Self....justify it in reference to inanimate matter.
Value...justify its usage instead of energy, pattern, kind, type, eidos...order(ing).

Is an eidos ego driven?


Consult the master of charlatans, call Bill, have a pow-wow in the Before the Darkness forum, where the future philosophers are being trained.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:21 pm

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Fixed Cross wonders whether his IQ is even average.

The Fixed Cross who got his own head fixed by some black pentecostal church pastor, lol
I am sure he's the one to assess things…

Quote :
I've certainly been Underprivileged in many ways: especially with regard to the lack of Respect I have got thus far. But now, I will COMMAND respect.

The rabble always rattle tattle about Justice, Privilege, Respect, Recognition…
Ingesting and pouring over and learning by heart, passages about the "monological" art, does nothing, since nature in, is nature out.
They give themselves away so easily...

Quote :
I am the Mahdi or Messiah of Self-Valuing, the Theosis Virtuosis Cyclosis of Nietzsche's Teaching.

Rather, the theosis virtuosos pSychosis of Nietzsche's Teaching...

Quote :
Make something bad happen to me on the 25th of this month, as Lys suggested to me!

Does that even resemble a decent provocation?

F---k, the Race of the Devils and all… and you only brought yourself here? I can thereby prove an insult, what can you prove?
I think you could prove... desperate.
The pardoy of a parody is no threat; whether as fact or value.
Abjection sustained.

Quote :
Will it be while I'm jogging in the Vondelpark around midnight, or when I'm cycling in a hearty tempo to or from work before or after 0:00? Will it be when I least expect it?

"when I least expect it.."…  could it be that you already fear Her, your anima, suddenly leaving you, when you least expect it?

Ariadne died in her wedding to Dionysos…
Myths celebrate where folk legends mourn…,
and funeral feasts sublimate under marriage feasts…

and what happened to the blind girl in her 'marriage' to the Red Dragon?
Did she escape? Did she die? Or was she set free?…

Or did she go mad like N.?

Or did N. survive only because he was already mad?

Who could marry the Emerald lord?
Only the pure of heart.

But the coming of the god and the goddess is something amidst the clamor and the noise of the satyr's bacchanalia…
And after the noise has died down, what happens?

A melysious intimacy, or, a poison IV?

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:23 pm

Sauwelios wrote:
Kalki, whom Devi calls "the last Man 'against Time'" (in any one cycle of historical recurrence), is actually the first Man "in Time" (of the next cycle). The Essence of all that is, the only timeless Essence of the universe, is the will to power.

Heidegger wrote:
"Every living being, and especially man, is surrounded, oppressed, and penetrated by chaos, the unmastered, overpowering element that tears everything away in its stream. Thus it might seem that precisely the vitality of life as this pure streaming of drives and pulsions, proclivities and inclinations, needs and demands, impressions and views, wishes and commands pulls and sucks the living itself into its own stream, there to exhaust its surge and flow. Life would then be sheer dissolution and annihilation.
However, 'life' is the name for _Being_, and Being means presencing, subsistence, permanence, withstanding disappearance and atrophy. If life therefore _is_ this chaotic bodying and oppressive urging, if it is supposed to _be_ what properly is, it must at the same time and just as originally be the concern of the living to withstand the urge and the excessive urge, lest this urge propel toward mere annihilation. This cannot happen because the urge would thus remove itself and hence could never _be_ an urge. In the essence of this excessive urge lies a kind of urge that is suited to its nature, that urges life _not_ to submit to the urgent onslaught but to stand fast in it, if only in order to be able to _be_ urged and to urge beyond _itself_. Only what stands can fall. But withstanding the urgent onslaught urges toward permanence and stability. Permanence and the urge toward it are thus nothing alien or _contradictory_ to the life-urge, but correspond to the essence of bodying life. In order to live, the living must for its own sake _be propelled toward the permanent._" (_Nietzsche_, Vol. III, chap. 13, trans. Krell.)

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if Nietzsche spoke of stamping one's Being ON flux, Sauwie speaks of the Being OF flux.

The Universe is WTP.

Sauwie inserts an "the Essence of the universe is WTP."

In Language alone, is one able to speak of a "Being OF flux". He therefore quotes Heidegger's commentary of a specific N. passage.

But note how in the original, N.'s concluding remarks are, such schema and practical constructs of language that help us stabilize ourselves and/in the world around us day to day, still prove nothing about the Truth, or the Essentiallity of such constructs…


Nietzsche wrote:
"Not "to know" but to schematize--to impose upon chaos as much regularity and form as our practical needs require.

In the formation of reason, logic, the categories, it was need that was authoritative: the need, not to "know," but to subsume, to schematize, for the purpose of intelligibility and calculation- (The development of reason is adjustment, invention, with the aim of making similar, equal - the same process that every sense impression goes through!) No pre-existing "idea" was here at work, but the utilitarian fact that only when we see things coarsely and made equal do they become calculable and usable to us - Finality in reason is an effect, not a cause: life miscarries with any other kinds of reason, to which there is a continual impulse-it becomes difficult to survey-too unequal-

The categories are "truths'" only in the sense that they are conditions of life for us: as Euclidean space is a conditionals "truth." (Between ourselves: since no one would maintain that there is any necessity for men to exist, reason, as well as Euclidean space, is a mere idiosyncracy of a certain species of animal, and one among many-)

The subjective compulsion not to contradict here is a biological compulsion: the instinct for the utility of inferring as we do infer is part of us, we almost are this instinct- But what naivete to extract from this a proof that we are therewith in possession of a "truth in itseIf"!- Not being able to contradict is proof of an incapacity, not of "truth."" [WTP, 515]


The full passage of how Heidegger interprets the above, that Sauwie quotes:

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The particular passage I'm interested in from above:

Heidegger wrote:
"The stable as such is only perceptible in the perspective of something becoming, and something becoming only reveals itself as such on the transparent basis of something stable. Both what becomes and what is stable point back to a more original commencement of their essential unity - provided that they are to be thought with equal essentiality in their relatedness. Because forming a horizon and imposing a schema have their essential ground in the essence of life-occurence, in praxis as the securing of stability, praxis and chaos essentially belong together.

The connection of the two is by no means to be represented in such a way that here we have a living being at hand in whose inside, as in a compartment, "practical needs" arise, and there, "outside" this living being, chaos. Rather, the living being as praxis, that is, as the perspectival-horizonal securing of stability, is first installed in chaos as chaos. Chaos as the onrushing urge of living beings for its part makes the perspectival securing of stability necessary for the survival of the living being. the need for schematizing is in itself a looking for sable things and their ascertain ability, that is, their perceptibility. This "practical need" is reason.

Thus it is not reason itself, not its essence, that first develops out of the need to master chaos; reason is in itself already the perception of chaos, in as much as the turbulent throng only becomes at all perceptible in the scope of odder and permanence.

For this reason, knowing is not "cognizing", that is, not copying. Knowing is what it is as a mustering of stable elements, as subsuming and schematizing. The boundary of the limiting horizon-formation is drawn in praxis itself by the securing of stability, which, as the occurrence of life, prefigures the direction and extent of schema-formation according to the essential state and essential elevation of the living being.

The "essential state" is the way that living being has projected its perspective in advance. The essential incisive sense is thus not a goal hovering above life, a goal one occasionally squints up at or not. The incisive sense supports life always in the sole way appropriate to it. It supports and bears life beyond itself to a possibly already seized upon, a possibility on the basis of which the actual horizon -formation first regulates itself and thus itself become s a rule and a schema." [Nietzsche, III]



One sees how Heidegger slyly slips in that relativism of "equal essentiality".

Such an interpretation that Heidegger draws under a "provided that", is itself a Scheme; for there is no "stable background" in non-human reality, against which becoming becomes visible. There is no Thing, essentially!

Like consciousness cuts away to look at itself as self-consciousness,,
a part of Chaos comes face to face with itself and faces itself,  as its own resistance, which durationality we call be…ing, we call life, we call Apollo.

Much like the figure below, where the flux swirls to face itself in an orthogonal tension (16 m) as its own resitance.

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Life is the overcoming of such pockets of resistance it creates for itself, from with itself, to surge on higher.


Now Heid. changes this to the presence of an essence of being, when in fact, such resistances are nothing more than the outplay of forces checking and balancing each other, result in a 'stand-still' - which consciousness perceives as a temporal persistence, a relative flow in the flux, a relative stability in the chaotic flux. Every resistance is at once resistance and cross-resistance to that which resists… an orthogonal web checking and stimulating each other, forming a durable criss-cross fabric(ation) of drives.

There is only becoming.

And becoming creates of/for itself resistances to become even more effecient becoming, and NOT for the sake of securing stability.

The securement of stability and self-preservation is only a Secondary effect that kicks in owing to life's ONTOLOGICAL PRIMORDIALITY of entropic excess, the creative-destructive-creative-destructions… ad. inf.

Human is the name of this very entropic excess that has stabilized itself not only as duration [else bacteria and planktons would be lords…], but also as intensity, as the highest vertical tension challenging itself.

Therefore Language, that is a scheme, entropic 'cunning', is nothing fixed, but evolves with the spirit of human challenges.

The ontoTheological Relativity of the "Essential" "Being" "OF" "flux" as "Equal" to the "Essential" Flux of "Being", is ONLY A scheme of A language, that reflects A spirit, A quantum of power.
At the worst, it is Hegelian, in that, master and property are treated as equally essential…

The Maximal scheme however says,
Life IS primarily a S-URGE to power, to become,, Not an URGE to power, to be.

Brahman is the surge.
The urge proper to the surge is Dharma.  [As in its 'essential' property].
[Note: Essences are interpretaions of the human WTP, which do not therefore make that which is essential, an essence in itself.]

It is Thus, we say,

What is proper to Mastery is self-possession.

The Desire to ap-Propri-ate yourself as Proper-ty to yourself.
Heidegger calls this Da-sein - Being as coming into what's Proper-ly One's Own.
Brahman-ism thus: the path To Dharma;
pro-Curing of Dharma-bodies.
Da-sein: Securing such existential sheaths, and therefore, Brahman-ism As the highest Dharma.
An onto-theology:

"yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata
abhyutthānam adharmasya tadātmānaṃ sṛjāmy aham

"Whenever Dharma declines and the purpose of life is forgotten, I manifest myself on earth again and again to re-establish dharma. /

"By Maya, by my magic which I stamp
On floating Nature-forms, the primal vast-
I come, and go, and come. When Righteousness
Declines, O Bharata! when Wickedness
Is strong, I rise, from age to age, and take
Visible shape, and move a man with men,
Succouring the good, thrusting the evil back,
And setting Virtue on her seat again." [B.Gita, 4.7]



In N:

Vigour: The Dharmakshetra of health that Must be lost, again and again…

The Kurukshetra of Brahman-icides, Brah-many-sides…

Brahman as the path-Breaking dharma;
Day-Break, the path-breakers…, the path Under dharma, swelling wells and little pools of stability, self-composures, path-breaking wotan flowing underneath the riverbeds, master riding beneath royal umbrellas...

"Ready for myself and for my most hidden Will: a bow eager for its arrow, an arrow eager for its star

O thou, my Will! Thou change of every need, MY needfulness! Preserve me from all small victories!...
O Will, thou change of every need, MY needfulness! Spare me for one great victory!—-" [TSZ, LVI, Tables][/quote]


Heidegger: Dharma-Protector

Nietzsche: Dharma-Protractor



We are pure surge, creating temporary dwellings of rest we call our being, to replenish, To, carry on Surging,, which makes possible detecting differences in the consciousness of our power.

Comparative durabilities are signals exploited to inform us of how risen or fallen from the previous state we are; not just the degree of resistance overcome, but quality.
The UPsurge to power.

No golden age: HATH, 471.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:24 am

First Point...[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...if a theory cannot be disproved it is not a realistic, but a mental construct.
In my term: it is a noumenon with no phenomenal signature, and no utility.
Bringing me to the second point...
Utility....if a theory has no practical application, no pragmatic utility it is a mental construct, mind-candy, a game of abstractions being arranged and rearranged in the only place realty's order can impose its limits...the mind. It has a psychological utility and nothing else.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], being symbolic, representational, are the noetic externalized - the mind projected outward.
If this projection has no application in world, has no "contact" with reality, it is a pure noetic construct - an abstraction with no external references, other than in other minds who share the symbols.
If it cannot be tested and proven wrong, it is, again, a noetic construct, retaining its "purity" as noumenon with no reference to phenomena - divine purity.
To purify a concept, using words, you must detach it from the "soil", in other words detach it from the apparent, the phenomena, presence.
My positions on patterns (inter)acting is both vulnerable to falsification and testable, useful, as all is pattern.
Patterns recognition samples past/nature, so as to discover repeating consistency.  

To add a third point...when a concept cannot be represented using different representations, different symbols, not including straight interpretation of words from one language to another, it is totally dependent on language and a particular arrangement of specific words to remain viable, as noumenon, as theoretical.

Fourth point...the longer a mind is invested in a theory the harder it is to cut its losses and move on.
This is a psychological principle reflecting, ironically, a fundamental principle in my Interactions & Interpretations thesis, describing a congruity growing more harmonious, in time, reducing the repulsive forces and increasing the attractive ones, following the path-of-least-resistance, in relation to energies not included in its congruent harmony.
In other words, the longer patterns in relative congruence interact, the more likely patterns not sharing in this harmony will be splintered away, fragmented away, due to the attrition of (inter)activity, leaving a more stable congruity.
I've described the process by which a pattern attracts and settles into a congruity [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], without resorting to contraptions such as imposing a word into the process that does not belong there, bringing me to ....

Point five.....the specificity of words reflects the multiplicity of patterns.
If a particular word is not available to describe a specific pattern, a combination of words (noetic abstractions) can be used, each  with a connection to the phenomenon.
The motive ought to be, not to convoluted and unnecessarily confuse the connection of noumenon to phenomenon, but to clarify, to bring to light, to simplify.

Point six...using another human as an argument, by simply quoting him/her, is not an argument,
An argument is supported with the inclusion of a third-party reference, dependent on the users understanding of it.
To use a proxy mind, as the end all authority, validating or falsifying a theory, is about slavishness, psychology of deferment and dependence.
The world is shared, and we have a common connection to reality, we can use as a standard for evaluating a theory's higher or lower probability....
spending 20 years in the study of one man's positions, may come at the cost of 20 years not engaging world directly.
Here Pascal's Wager loses its win/win implications, relating to point four.


Pertaining to my own positions, the usage of the word "pattern"is the most appropriate, because it implies a dynamic order, without inserting unnecessary conceptual baggage, but the word "pattern" can be substituted with alternate words, slightly modifying the concept, and perhaps illuminating aspects of it....such as order(ing), vibration, probability,symmetry etc.
The concept pattern is useful as it does not automatically offer a solution, but requires work, in the gathering of patterns, their testing, determining their consistency, their reliability, and then projection, as predictions, using past/nature as the reference source.
With a shared world and shares foundation of symbolic exchange of noetic abstractions, the participation can evaluate each symbols relationship to the world they are both in, if and when both parties are motivated by the same goal and not indulging in word-games to compensate for a personal deficiency, or to construct a comforting theory, or to promote self and so on.

Point seven... the simplification of awareness, its reduction, is what I've called dumbing-down...as, instead of expanding vocabulary it reduces all phenomenon to specific words, symbols, convolution reality, and selectively reducing it to a uniformity.
this is a retardation psychology and a diminishing of consciousness, if we understand consciousness as the process of discrimination, of perceiving difference, subtle patterns in what appears uniform...in tune with cosmic deterioration and increasing entropy.
Using an intimate word, an emotionally laden word, a "positive" word, one carrying baggage, is a method of reducing world to a few concepts, or a tactic of confusing concepts so as to create an artificial mystery.
As an example I will posit Christianity and its triadastic god concept....father/son/holy ghost, presented as a singularity.
An artificial confusion of concepts creating the mystery that then depending on faith, or some emotional component to assimilate the contradicting, in mental alchemy.
The burden of proof is transferred from an exoteric shared realm to an esoteric persona, subjective, submission, sacrifice, surrender to desire.
"Understanding" becomes a matter of feeling the "truth of it", or "getting it" becomes a matter of suspending skepticism, and giving in to need.
An infidel, the one who 'just does not get it', is the one who is not convinced by words arranged in ways he cannot validate in his own experience - empirically.
The loss is similar to Pascal's Wager....a win/win, with no foreseeable loss, and as more time and energy is invested into it, the more reluctant the participants are on accepting the shared losses, now part of a shared enterprise of supportive validating minds - inter-subjectivity.
The need that brought the enterprise together stands as the binding attractor.
placing this in my theory on patterns, the congruity of patterns, called a organism, with its particular attraction/repulsion field of effect,is attracted to and find relative harmony (without attaining the absolute) other organisms sharing a similar resonance.
Hierarchies are settled on the ground of aggregate energies specific to each organism, and how these relate, measure up to the others.  
 
VO takes such a "positive word/symbol" in the selection of the word 'value' and 'self', and applies them in contradiction to their original references , what refers to an organic emergent unity, can now be projected into an inorganic interaction, converted into a "unity" in the brain, as abstraction.
A clear attempt to confuse one concept with another, reducing consciousness to common-denominator, finding communion with other on this level.
Unlike theories with integrity, this theory loses its novelty, its impact, when you choose different metaphors, symbols, and substitute value and self with other words.It's confusing mystification, which it relies upon to become psychologically viable to a variety of minds sharing the same need, loses its power, its magic.
Same can be said for the Christian usage of symbols, combined as this modality of God Loving, Loving God.
Love = attraction
God = absolute

Love is detached from its pragmatic function, as a feeling, or a internal process heterosexuality making reproduction and social cooperation possible as a survival strategy.
The concept god is torn away form its natural symbolization, and projected in some noetic outer realm, beyond space/time, or insinuated into the underlying fabric of universe....using words as its manifestation.
Now love is attached to it, creating a total noetic fabrication, where this beyond space time Being, is governed to the real world attraction/repulsion principle, striped, by association, of any reproduction, social applications, but also retaining them in a game of words.
god can be erotic and socially present, and at the same time completely detached and indifferent - both relevant and irrelevant, both dependent and independent...and this is His mystery dealt with the alchemy of faith.
Who denies this is obtuse, does not get it, a nay sayer...an evil mind...etc..not lending his support to the community, will not invest in the common enterprise, completely dependent on noetic support, because it has no external references to support it.
The usage of words can become random, chaotic, because no external order limits their application; they can be arranged in any sequence, because linear time does not inhibit the mind from arranging words, as does reality inhibits the mind/body from certain activities.
Subjective released from objective world, because it is sheltered from the consequences, the repercussions, reducing the costs and increasing or not affecting the benefits - win-win.
Stringency relaxes, into a game of words -  child's play, the participants held captive by a shared game with no severe personal implications.
Competition becomes a matter of creative delusion - or the mind that can fabricate a fantasy world all participants can find pleasure in playing - a psychological, esoteric reward.
The words utility is converted to a pleasure device - a toy, used to masturbate, to self stimulate and gratify.  
With he objective world reduced to background noise, the mind can now apply words using the pleasure principle as guide.
Pleasure shared is pleasure multiplied.
World cannot intervene when costs are reduced to a minimum and benefits accentuated with symbolically.
Quality is measured by the aesthetic appeal, to the majority.
Words/symbols arranged in any way, aesthetically pleasing - abstract art.
The validation is esoteric, as a reaction to the product.
The artist measured by how much pleasure he can trigger in the audience, and of course, language is a representational art form.

Deeper implications can be found in how this artistic fabrication helps the individual in the audience, cope with a world beyond the shared enterprise, the matrix of inter-subjective members bound by a shared need.
Philosophy, as the exploration of reality, becomes political, psychological, making Nietzsche all the more relevant, because he didn't say anything novel, in relation to world, having adopted and adjusted the insights of others, but contributed in how these philosophies applied psychologically, socially, in a modern world, immersed in linguistics....conveniently he was a specialists in philology - friend of logos - word master...an artist.
If we keep in mind how Nihilism depends on symbols to encode, and externalize, its detached/contrary to reality concepts, the puzzles fall into place.

Nietzsche converted into Bible, or a Delphic Oracle.
His fragmented (aphoristic) metaphorical style, lends itself to multiple interpretations, making him idea(l) as an icon, for nihilistic minds, desperate to fabricate a pleasing, to them world view.
Bible studies debating over the meaning of Scripture, and Nietzsche studies as this endless exploration of what was meant, and how it compares to what was said already or by someone else.
Philosophy as a discussion about philosophy.

Luckily reality remain indifferent, and as the standard to evaluate concepts.
Instead of discussing philosophy, one philosophizes, only using others as supportive elements, or as contradicting elements, to be responded to.
And like all art, an artist places a canvas on his easel, and arranges his brushes and colour, according to the real scene he will attempt to reproduce.
if he cares not for reality, then he need not look anywhere else but inward, to arrange imagery and hues, in whatever way expresses his internal world, and this might find correspondence in others, but has nothing to do with reality.
For a philosopher, as a scientist/artist hybrid, reality is the order imposing his usage of shapes and colours.
If his motive is to express his reaction to this world, then the art is not about reality, but about how he, and other react to it - a catharsis.
Usage of words follows, as the usage of shapes and colours - some to externalize the esoteric, and others to internalize the exoteric.
But, if the artist has never managed to paint a perfect, or near perfect, representation of reality, then his art is nothing more than scribbling, splashing, he then sells as intentional, not having proven his ability to discipline his mind and to accurate reflect the world imposing its presence upon his senses.
The "modern artist" might hide his lack of talent, with an insinuated motive, and sell his mess to minds also desiring to hide their own lack of talent and inability to appreciate reality.
Sometimes talent takes the form of copying another artist....instead of representing reality directly, the artist focuses on creating near-perfect representations of anothers representations - deferring his talent, or compensating for a blindness to subtlety, to details, or compensating for a talent to convert the world fluidity into a three dimensional abstraction.

Connecting this to the previous I offer the example of an artist who instead of suing reality as his inspiration, delves into memory, combines experiences into novel constructs, and then sells them as a fanciful artifice or, to gullible, minds, as some underlying more real reality.
Liker combining a goat with am man, to create a metaphorical mythological caricature - Satyr.
The metaphor is a combination of concepts (phenomena), attempting to represent compound phenomenon in a single symbol - usually used to represents phenomena with no manifesting perceptible presence, such as air, or gravity, or their combination as weather.
If taken literally, the concepts included are reduced to the absurd.
If taken figuratively they bring forward, into visual consciousness, what cannot be perceived using the vision - light - but can be perceived using another sense - touch, smell etc.
The abstraction, in this case, acts as a conversion of sensual data from one form into another.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:28 am

Patterns manifesting as what humans call elements, categories, kinds

Reliability: determined by consistency - quality of order, its constitution in relation to flux.
Strength determined by aggregate of harmonious, or relatively so, patterns acting in congruence.
Congruity may include patterns not in complete harmony with one another.
Strength: determined by dimensional effect ....movement in one direction (speed), increasing possibility of interactivity, and decreasing it in all other dimensions. Path-of-last-resistance is determined by the harmonization, into a congruity, of patterns.
Congruity simply means the assimilation of a pattern toward a dimension - possibilities.
No will is necessary to explain how patterns participate in congruities, and the attraction/repulsion effect, creating an aggregate as a field of effect.
Will is an organic manifestation of a focus, of an organism's aggregate energies, as these are determined by the sum of participating patterns and their repulsion/attraction balance. Will implies intent, founded on an organism's evolved ability to sense similarity/difference of vibration, either in its immediate field of effect (vicinity), as a primary primal level, and then as a result of accumulating experiences, storing them in memory, and recognizing patterns at a distance, beyond the organisms's field of effect, using the medium of light (visual), as the mediating phenomenon able to bridge space/time the fastest.
In time this evolves into the human trait of projecting probabilities, using precedent, into the far future, producing the organic advantage of preparation, and focus of aggregate energies, multiplying the effect through concentration of aggregate energies.
An organism with smaller aggregate energies can overpower an organism with larger aggregate energies.  
 
Oscillation/Vibration: rhythm of pattern determine its essence - categorized, by an external consciousness, and given a name.
The particular vibration is interpreted, by a conscious mind, by generalizing/simplifying it, into a form it can perceive - translating it into a code the organic nervous system, can collect, transmit, store, and process into abstractions.
Each sensual interpretation, as form, scent, texture, sound, colour, is not arbitrary. It is determined by the particular essence of the phenomenon, now perceived.
The particular interpretation cannot be isolated from all other sensual interpretations, but included as a component, a trait, defining the phenomenon.             
For example the colour of a fruit cannot be denied relevance, and it cannot be taken as an isolated interpretation, but included into the sum of the five sensual interpretations (sight, scent, smell, sound, texture, taste), creating an abstraction that represents the apparent.               

Self = the word self can only be used to refer to a particular kind of congruence of patterns, if it is to retain its meaning, or its place in cosmic order
An emergent unity with particular behavior traits.
If not it becomes some random symbol, minds use to destroy an order they dislike and reinvent a new one...using words....because world is unaffected.
Whether you call a  rose an apple, and an apple a gun, makes no difference to the phenomenon, nor does it alter its pragmatic effect.
It may have psychological effects, like calling a gun a flower, might make a mind raised on the original utility of the word, feel comforted, soothed by the change of imagery - a metaphor: transference of anxiety.  
If used carelessly discrimination is reduced into obfuscation, clouding the concepts for reasons particular to the specific.  there are many reasons to explain why a mind would intentionally and unintentionally choose to cloud rather than clarify, bury in semantics, rather than un-cover to the light of consciousness, but this enters us into the realm of psychology.
We can tack the motive back into the psychology of the mind, by begin with the original connection the word had to phenomena - a word is a connector of noumenon to phenomenon.
To put it another way, the word (symbols) are externalized neurological codes - conversion of neural pulses into symbols.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]         The original connection of word to phenomenon gives us the anxiety source - the substitution of the phenomenon connection, gives us the motive.
For example....the detachment of self from its original connection to organic emergent unity, gives us the source of anxiety - the transference (metaphor) of the connection to the word "value" gives us the motive, the desirable objective.  
In this case, self as sum of all past/nature (nurturing) is unsatisfactory to the individual who then exposes his preference, his corrective solution to his anxiety, with its detachment and reattachment to the concept "value", this exposes the nature of the anxiety.
He calls this Will to....as the prerogative of the man as his own master - subjectivity replacing objectivity...as a reinterpretation of Nietzsche's perspectivism.
I'll get to that later, perhaps.
Such a individual will be prone to hyperbole and self-inflation to compensate. Arrogance and confidence is really a cover for a sense of vulnerability and insecurity...but lets not get into that right now, as it has already been covered.    

Now, a symbol can be used as a metaphor - to transfer (μεταφερο) abstractions into a singular unity, and given a name (word).
We do this most often with the metaphor of "love", or even more obvious with the metaphor of self/ego, which is really a unification of patterns, in congruence, given a singular name that implies them all separately and as unity - synergy.
The unity organism is symbolized with the word Self/Ego.
The specific processes included are organic hierarchies, which manifest as personality, a control and direction of patterns, iteration, and memory.
If the emergent unity has none of these it cannot be called a 'self" unless the motive is to reduce all to the desired as a lowest-common-denominator, with a specific motive, other than clarity.   A stone, as a unity, constructed externally (abstraction), or any inanimate phenomenon (non-living) may include a single pattern or a variety of patterns.
Its resistance to an external force is determined by the repulsion/attraction relationships the differing patterns produce, internally, establishing the amount of resistance to external interventions, or the path-of-least-resistance.

Strength of congruity is a product not only of internal harmony (order), between the different patterns (processes, organs...), but also of the patterns rate of vibration, determining solidity - stronger = slower rate, weaker = faster rate...
Also the strength of a congruity is a product of the quality of congruence...in other words how the different patterns have been swept along, or assimilated into a congruity, sharing the same dimensional signature.
More harmonious  patterns will produce stronger congruity.  
The stronger the congruence the stronger external force must be applied to beak it apart - resulting in a sudden release of energy equal to the strength of the congruence.
Release of energy is simply the different patterns suddenly acquiring a new direction - a sudden increase in dimensional possibility.  
If the alteration is severe enough this results in the phenomenon we call explosion/implosion.  

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:41 pm


Art of Performance
A clown, measures his impact on the world using the agencies of an audience and their reactions.
Their appreciation of his performance is expressed in neurological releases of energy, in the form of laughter, or applause, and so on.
The performer's reputation indicates his social status, expressed in the numbers participating in the audience and ticket sales.
If the performer is a modern, infected by the Judeo-Christian Nihilistic virus, money is the "purest" form of measuring his status, through sales.
Sales express an audience's appreciation of potential pleasure, through the performance – pleasure as the sensation of stress release.
A performer, such as a clown, can feel pride, in his self-deprecating, performance.
He unloads his own shame, on the audience who paid money to watch him make a fool of himself – he is vindicated by his ability to make them see their own clownishness, and to give him their time/ in the form of their presence and in the form of time/effort invested in earning their money.
He absolves himself of shame, by making himself a mirror.
The intent of the clown's performance is to release the shame, the social anxiety of shame's possibility, in stress relieving spasms, hyperventilation, and gesticulations.
The performer feels powerful. The crowd’s energy washes over him, cleansing him of his own stress.
If his performances become popular, through a consistency of effect, he is also rewarded with tokens of appreciation, of resource allocation.
The audience unloads stress and their encoded resources upon him, as praise.
Performer is motivated to repeat this indefinitely.
Whether his performance is noble, true to nature, shows reverence to ancestors, is beside the point; he has become addicted to the accolades, and is willing to go to any length to preserve this relationship.
Performer feel powerful, via the audience, though within world he is a feeble, powerless nobody.



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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:43 pm

Consider the evolutionary advantage of pattern recognition and accurate appreciation, and the next to evolve mental talent of projecting this pattern recognition/appreciation as probable future.

A clown, would use the words "clairvoyance", because he wishes to retain the magical effect, mostly because he is obtuse and unable to understand, or unwilling to face world as it is.
No magic is required...AGAIN.

The ability to perceive patterns (genetically determined) and to construct accurate abstractions (genetically determined and cultivated and/or shaped given symbols memetically), and to then project (imagination) these noetic/abstractions ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) as probability, without an expected absolute certainty, is not magic.
Sampling past/nature, is part of judging possible future outcome, when we understand order as a repeating pattern, only disrupted by some stronger pattern (traumatic event), or by random events, (chaos).

The focus of energies multiplies a lesser aggregate, regionally, overcoming a greater aggregate, making will as a defining factor in the path-of-least-resistance flow of congruity.
Will as organic focus overcoming greater resistance - opening up possibilities that would otherwise remain unapproachable.

We can say the same for mind-reading, or the ability of one to know another, more than it knows itself - bringing in the Know Thyself factor.
Contact, over time, with a particular congruity, an organism, exposes the observer to behavioral patterns the organism itself may not be able to perceive, as it lacks the attainment of the Third and more Levels of Cognition, or cowardice prevents it from perceiving itself honestly/clearly.

Knowing other simply recognizes self in other, and then extricates self, gradually and methodically, so as to not confuse self with other - sympathy versus empathy.
The others past/nature determines its future performances, unless, again, some traumatic event (stress reaching a level to rapture pattern, or force of will), or randomness (chaos) intervenes, as it always does to one degree or another, making prediction an approximation and not an absolute art.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:31 pm

Nietzsche Bitche
One has to mention Nietzsche in a conversation where moderns of a certain age participate, for all to get real quiet, like in a church.
Some will metaphorically drop to the ground, prostrate themselves, arse raised in the direction of a statue of the icon, like the one in my room, or towards a painting, or whatnot, spread their proverbial cheeks and await for the anointed one's philosophical acumen to have its way - or they expose their necks, in a feminine gesture of submission, laughing or anxious energy, hoping the master's words will channel through their willing vocal cords, or trickle down their caressing fingers.

The only other dead figure I've seen a similar response to is Jesus, and how appropriator that the one who declared the God-father dead, would be the replacement son, of the absent Divine One, among secular humanists.  
There is no argument, after the mention of Nietzsche's name, or the usage of one powerful quote, unless the retort also includes another Nietzsche quote, battling over aphoristic scripture.
End of conversation....Nietzsche said what?!
Well then, debate over.
Only ones immune to this narcosis are Bible thumping, emasculated by God's penetrating penis, Judeo-Christians/Muslims.
Stupidity is its own defence.
They have their own drug, and who can match that Holy High?
Why leave one man for another, unless some greater orgasm was in the works?  

I can understand females showing this reverence, because he did bring masculine paganism to the forefront, making this sickly gentleman an engorged testosterone tube, but males?
Well, feminization can deal with that conundrum.

When The Jew God, the Big Penis in the sky became flaccid, the secularized effete "men" ran to the closest throbbing member, and behold there it was; hard to ignore a stiff.
But some having been married to the God, already, only leaving him because his promises never panned out, could not accept different smelling semen in their mouth, so they found Judeo-Christian translators to return the stench of Abrahamism to their orifices, making ingestion easier.
This time it was Nietzsche cock penetrating their mental voids, but the seed was all Abraham.
 
You don’t even have to have an argument.
All you need to do is find a quote where one of Nietzsche’s words is the same as something you believe, and the entire thing is sanctified, insinuating that a meeting of minds, spirits coinciding, has been experienced.
Who cares about world, experience, empiricism...Nietzsche has spoken, or Jesus, the topic is closed.  



Is Nietzsche taken out of context?

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:18 pm

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Re-member, boy...you came here.
I did not go to the crap-house to look for you.
Did you not come to show your master how you've grown into a formidable Wyrm?


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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:51 am

I'll indulge you a bit, Costa. I will, however, not go into all your endless word diarrhea. (As Fixed Cross told me in private about his "KTS Adventure", having a "discussion" with you can work quite well for a while as long as one also, like you, just keeps saying lots of things... But my rigorous normal style doesn't go well with that, and I'm not planning on spending any more of my "stoned" (High!) style on you. So there.)

I will focus on one thing and one thing only: your question about eidos and ego. Let's start with this:

Costa wrote:
I'm so Sauwie wrote:
I see all beings as positing a self (eidos/telos) to strive after--as strivings after a self they themselves posit
Watch how he inserts the pretentious word "eidos", to imply something big and sophisticated is occurring here.
eidos simply means kind, type.

Your first sentence here is merely your typical rhetoric, trying to make the other look bad through amateur psychology. But your second sentence is particularly inane coming from a Greek, albeit only a modern Greek who doesn't even live in Greece. "Eidos" does _not_ simply mean "kind, type".

Costa wrote:
You like words, Sauwie, how would you translate value-selfing/self-valuing into the Greek eidos/ego?

The eidos is one's ideal self-image which one consciously or at least subconsciously cherishes. It springs naturally from one's actual self, i.e., from the totality of one's being--which is not to say that one is whole, complete, perfect, etc. In fact, one's ideal self-image would perhaps not need to be different from one's actual self if the latter was perfect. The ego, by the way, is not the same as the self, as Nietzsche, Freud, and Jung have made abundantly clear.

The eidos is the representation [Vorstellung] which is the object of one's will. Ultimately one is nothing more or less than this will to one's ideal self. Crowley called it the True Will, saying: "Chastity may thus be defined as the strict observance of the Magical Oath; that is, in the Light of the Law of Thelema, absolute and perfected devotion to the Holy Guardian Angel and exclusive pursuit of the Way of the True Will." (_Little Essays toward Truth_, "Chastity".)

It's inasmuch as one asserts a self, i.e. posits it and strives after it, that one exists.

"I [Blake] asked: ' does a firm perswasion that a thing is so, make it so?'
He [Isaiah] replied: 'All poets believe that it does, & in ages of imagination this firm perswasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of a firm perswasion of any thing.'
Then Ezekiel said: 'The philosophy of the east taught the first principles of human perception: some nations held one principle for the origin & some another: we of Israel taught that the Poetic Genius (as you now call it) was the first principle, and all the others merely derivative, which was the cause of our despising the Priests & Philosophers of other countries, and prophecying that all Gods would at last be proved to originate in ours & to be the tributaries of the Poetic Genius: it was this that our great poet, King David, desired so fervently & invokes so patheticly, saying by this he conquers enemies & governs kingdoms; and we so loved our God, that we cursed in his name all the deities of surrounding nations, and asserted that they had rebelled: from these opinions the vulgar came to think that all nations would at last be subject to the jews.'
'This,' said he, 'like all firm perswasions, is come to pass; for all nations believe the jews' code and worship the jews' god, and what greater subjection can be?'" (_The Marriage of Heaven and Hell_.)

If the God of the Jews is indeed the Poetic Genius, it's not true that all nations worship Him, for (post-)Christianity is not Judaism; the Jewish Messiah is not the Logos; that is the God of the Philosophers, i.e., of exoteric Platonism. It's only with Jakob's self-valuing logic that Israel will truly sub-ject all nations--together with recurring Greece, which I'll represent. Philosophy finally comes into the open as Poiesis, not mere Theoria. _Heraclitus'_ Logos, to be sure, which is FIRE. As I wrote in 2003:

"Raw matter is like ice, it burns cold to those who cling to it. In burning it betrays its essence as a form of Fire." (Reproduced by heart--by _Spirit_.)

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:52 am

So-Sauwie wrote:
Your first sentence here is merely your typical rhetoric, trying to make the other look bad through amateur psychology. But your second sentence is particularly inane coming from a Greek, albeit only a modern Greek who doesn't even live in Greece. "Eidos" does _not_ simply mean "kind, type".
No, didn't think so.
Magic is about to happen.
How can it be simple from a simpleton?
The wise man simplifies, the desperate man confuses hiding his desperation.


So-Sauwie wrote:
The eidos is one's ideal self-image which one consciously or at least subconsciously cherishes. It springs naturally from one's actual self, i.e.,
Mistake: does not "spring out of"
Self/Ego IS the eidos, expressed as individual, as self/ego.
I am the eidos man/human.
eidos is not a thing I come out of. I AM it, or a variety of it, if we include the effects of flux.

But we must differentiate between eidos as it pertains to inanimate matter/energy, and eidos as it pertains to organic matter/energy, buffoon.
Here you convoluted by reducing it all into one and the same...uniformity.
Eidos, as it pertains to inanimate existence is the recognition of difference in pattern.
Man categorizes, gives it a name, an eidos, to appreciate the difference.
As it pertains to organic existence eidos is a reproductive category, as well as about pattern/behavior.
You assert one as the other, because you began with a conclusion in mind, the Jew God, the universal consciousness of One.
Wannabe apostle.
What a pathetic figure you are, in all this.
20+ years under Nietzsche and now Iakob?!



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from the totality of one's being--which is not to say that one is whole, complete, perfect, etc. In fact, one's ideal self-image would perhaps not need to be different from one's actual self if the latter was perfect. The ego, by the way, is not the same as the self, as Nietzsche, Freud, and Jung have made abundantly clear.
And yet in Greek Εγω means "I".
Εγω ειμαι...I am.
A word can be used to differentiate.
It is a mode of expression.
I do not care how others used the word.
Words are mine to use.
The only authority that guides my usage of words is world.

Each mind uses words to express his own relationship with world...some to escape it, others to engage it.
Words are tools, all can use to create a representation.
How some other artists used the tools is their affair.    

But look how you behave....you declare "ego is not self" and then defer....without explaining it yourself, as if mentioning those names makes it a FACT.
As if you understood them the best....and now look at how you apply your "understanding" of Nietzsche - you degrade him as no more than another Modern.
I read him once, and had contact with his thoughts through imbeciles, like you.
If your understanding of Nietzsche is accurate, then I reject him as well. If Jesus said something and some Christians understood him the best, parroting his words, I still reject the message.
You?
Twenty plus years, and it's not over.
Do you see what this tells me about you, Ollie?  



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The eidos is the representation [Vorstellung] which is the object of one's will.
No, eidos is the differentiation of a shared past, manifesting as presence; a recognition of a pattern or congruity of patterns.  
I am "human" because I share a past, genetic memory, with a number of other organisms.
A gold is a kind of pattern.  
Silver another.
How gold and silver interact, relate, is not self.
Self is not necessary.
Wrong word.
Each word has its place.  



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Ultimately one is nothing more or less than this will to one's ideal self.
No, one is the presence of past/nature as appearance.
The projection of the idea(l) - let's use your Self as the metaphor - is what focuses the past upon a desired future, and it only applies to organisms...not to inanimate patterns, to all eidos, to all kinds.

An individual does not choose what he is, he is born as he is.
What he wills is what he wants to become, in relation to this.
If you like you can use ego to describe this inherited past/nature, manifesting as presence, and self as the projection of a desired, ego....one that does not reject past/nature but cultivates parts of it, enhances it, directs it.
A stone projects nothing, wants nothing, aspires towards nothing...it just acts in the only way it can, as pattern(s).    



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Crowley called it the True Will, saying: "Chastity may thus be defined as the strict observance of the Magical Oath; that is, in the Light of the Law of Thelema, absolute and perfected devotion to the Holy Guardian Angel and exclusive pursuit of the Way of the True Will." (_Little Essays toward Truth_, "Chastity".)
Don't give a shit.
When you speak with me, you speak as you, not through some proxy, with their mystical metaphors.
Speak like a man, not a woman.  



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It's inasmuch as one asserts a self, i.e. posits it and strives after it, that one exists.
No... in as much as it (inter)acts, it exists.
Existence has been defined without evoking the "self", and it is more honest, and clear.
This is where you insert your bullshyte.
Did you read anything I posted?

An electron is dynamic, it does not "assert self". It acts, affecting other patterns, in the only way it can.
It affects, repulses/attracts as pattern.
Anthropomorphosizing its attraction/repulsion dynamism, part of its activity/existence, is how morons, like you, insert a component, a concept where it has no place.
Calling an electron a 'self' is how the Trojan horse of magic is insinuated into thought, to later connect it, as you will....
An esoteric ruse.
A self, as it pertains only to the organic, is asserted in relation to this dynamic world (inter)acting, existing.

An electron is converted into a self, externally, by needy half-wits like you and your van-clan - did not the Christians do this?
A stone is a one only in the conscious mind, abstracting it.
The phenomenon is abstracted - simplified/generalized as noumenon.

There is no one stone, moron, no one mountain...but only in the minds of men.
A singularity in relation to background flux.

Self is organized (inter)action - organic.
You beginning with a lie, an assertion, is how you lie, to others, and to yourself.
This is what I've defined as Top<>Down thinking...you start with a declaration:

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inasmuch as one asserts a self, i.e. posits it and strives after it, that one exists.
...and from there you build downward, a castle to impress.
This is what imbeciles do, with casual pride...they begin with a lie, without having to justify it....they DECLARE it as a starting fact.
If the audience accepts it, or does not notice it, it becomes entrenched, infecting all that follows with an unsubstantiated presupposition.
No, moron, you have yet to justify your inclusion of Self in relation to lifeless matter/energy.
I begin with the obvious...all that is active exists. You insert Self, because you are a conniving psychotic.


What is revolutionary here? Your sickness to associate Hellenism with Judaism, the healthy with the ill, has been done.
Illness is always attempting to justify itself before the infected one.
Hellenism only validates itself before nature....Judaism before Hellenism - King of all kings.
You just changed the words.
Self-Loving, Love-Selfing - narcissism/masturbation.
See how the half-breed inserted love into a relationship they could not validate, forever associating the word God with the word love?.
That trick has been done, boy. You can only fool the foolish, with these word-games.
You are ill, boy.
In my contexts your definition describes inanimate matter as non-existent, because no self is required to explain how and why matter/energy acts.
You start your bullshyte with a declaration, because there's a goal already in mind... has to do with your ambitions to be more than just Ollie.
Did you not dream of replacing a great one? This is how you do it, by corrupting reality, and adjusting it to this desire?

Self refers to a specific KIND (eidos) of existing, and even if you use it as a projected ideal, it only applies to conscious life - only a living organism has an ideal, and not even that word is appropriate, because a cat does not have ideals in the human sense...it has a goals, objectives, directed by needs.
Humans have ideals, as only humans can manufacture abstractions that may or may not refer to reality, and only humans can project them into a future exceeding perception (perceptual-event-horizon) - using imagination.
You've taken the organic and asserted it as universe.  
 
What is so different and complex, in your VO, sweet Sauwie?
Repackaged filth.
Those who reject it are not those who misunderstand, but those who understand it all the more.
Your drug fueled clan is a symptom....a big joke.
Not only did I, with my below average IQ, not misunderstand, but I had you pegged from the start.
How do you make an infection viral; spreading with words, covering-up its true nature?
How do you make it speak openly, coming out form behind mythological metaphors and prose, and poetics, and insinuations, and mountains of words insinuating what it cannot justify?

Your master is reinventing Christianity....modernizing it, updating it, giving it new metaphors, attempting to incorporate paganism, through Nietzsche, then covering it all up with prose and...declarations of misunderstanding.
Your preferred Europe is America?
How low you've fallen Ollie...what a disgrace to your eidos, your tribe, your family your need has made of you.
Another sickly Modern....secularized Jew.

Iakob the New Age Messiah, and you his loyal, apostle, his first.



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"I [Blake] asked: ' does a firm perswasion that a thing is so, make it so?'
He [Isaiah] replied: 'All poets believe that it does, & in ages of imagination this firm perswasion removed mountains; but many are not capable of a firm perswasion of any thing.'
Then Ezekiel said: 'The philosophy of the east taught the first principles of human perception: some nations held one principle for the origin & some another: we of Israel taught that the Poetic Genius (as you now call it) was the first principle, and all the others merely derivative, which was the cause of our despising the Priests & Philosophers of other countries, and prophecying that all Gods would at last be proved to originate in ours & to be the tributaries of the Poetic Genius: it was this that our great poet, King David, desired so fervently & invokes so patheticly, saying by this he conquers enemies & governs kingdoms; and we so loved our God, that we cursed in his name all the deities of surrounding nations, and asserted that they had rebelled: from these opinions the vulgar came to think that all nations would at last be subject to the jews.'
'This,' said he, 'like all firm perswasions, is come to pass; for all nations believe the jews' code and worship the jews' god, and what greater subjection can be?'" (_The Marriage of Heaven and Hell_.)


Therefore, your bullshyte is not limited by world, it asserts itself upon world.
Thank you for exposing your internal essence, from behind that external facade.
We now know what God you serve, half-child of Israel.
They had their way with you - found the vulnerability and exploited it.
Not that it was not obvious with your obsession.
Word games, from the word worshipers.....finding cracks through the most feeble.
Rome fell when the catacombs overflowed, and the feces spilled into the marble.
First came the word....boring itself into the minds of the masses, where it was named...Hope.    



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If the God of the Jews is indeed the Poetic Genius, it's not true that all nations worship Him, for (post-)Christianity is not Judaism; the Jewish Messiah is not the Logos; that is the God of the Philosophers, i.e., of exoteric Platonism. It's only with Jakob's self-valuing logic that Israel will truly sub-ject all nations--together with recurring Greece, which I'll represent. Philosophy finally comes into the open as Poiesis, not mere Theoria. _Heraclitus'_ Logos, to be sure, which is FIRE. As I wrote in 2003:

"Raw matter is like ice, it burns cold to those who cling to it. In burning it betrays its essence as a form of Fire." (Reproduced by heart--by _Spirit_.)

Hail Stones!

Never bothered to read what you posted after i realized what you are. Had second-hand accounts that brought news of you.

Ha!!!, a Declaration of intent...poetic genius, or as I've called it the creatively crazy, crazy creativity - delirium in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
The dis-ease shows itself as a surface rash.
Tiny red pimples, itching.
You are no Greek. You could never be.
You only learned the words and parroted them...your spirit?  
IF the nations worship the Jew God, then it is only by those who are feeble, cowards, sick, needy, like you and your van-clan.
Memetic narcotic, to cope.
Every eidos has its corrupted mutations.
My diagnosis was and is accurate, Ollie.
Christianity IS Judaism for the Pagan - memetic mutation.
Every virus morphs when it infects a particular host.
Your new Christianity will be your greatest blunder.
Who will you attract, but the slaves, the lost, the desperate?
Look at your van-clan....half-wit halfings, half of this and a pinch of that....miscegenation.
Repackaged filth...and you, a so called Nietzschean wanting to use his name to bring about a stronger, more viral Christianity....
No logos is not the Jewish Messiah...it is the lie, the anti-logos.
Exploiting human fears, desires, needs....exploiting weakness, feeding on the excrement of other tribes...selling and not buying what they sell.  
I wanted you to expose your true colours for all to see, Red Dragon...
I wanted all to see what you really are.

Out of curiosity...
Bill is the "only true Nieatzschean", the Clown King, is the self-proclaimed inheritor, the son, and where does this leave you, Ollie?
Where in the hierarchy of coming glory do you fit in?
As favourite concubine? The whip, or the whipping-boy?
Always a bride's maid, never THE bride.
Are you the messenger, the replacement gopher-lost-sophister?
Did Pezer take a subordinate position because of his bad performances in the clown carnal-val, coming to our town soon?
I know which clown is the main attraction - the main event. Kids luv clowns, and clowns carrying balloons, giving away helium laughter, inflated hot-gases ready to pop.
Oh, Ollie, what have you become.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:03 am

A student approached a mentor, to surpass him.
A mentor, if he has integrity, as a father, helps the student surpass him, and does not make it easy on him.
He does not keep him subdued and submissive...in his shadow...a means to his ends.

A philosopher approaches another philosopher as an equal, not as a submissive twat, already surrendered. He and the other shared the same world, and so they can share their own experiences and their own understanding, and their own reverence of world, expressed in the care they take in how they relate to cosmos using words, if they have confidence in their own mind.
You can recognize a submissive soul. He does not have the courage to see world and describe it on his own...and the exploiting charlatans of the world, the shameless gits, also see it and exploit it, wanting to inflate themselves, because they have their own issues.

A philosopher king has authority thurst upon him, by those who see in him something more than themselves...he does not actively seek it out, campaigning for it.
Then he wears the honour with some discomfort, he does not bath, in it, his ego.
You are no philosopher...you are a  philo-follower.
A loyal friend that follows.
A shadow to a clown king - royal clown shadow.  



Again...
Justify the usage of the word/symbol SELF in reference to the cosmos, not in reference to your failosophy that has already presupposed it...do not declare it, JUSTIFY it, explain why it and not another word.
Why value and not eidos, or kind, or type?
Who are you trying to trick?
Satyr?
Ha!!!
 
I use pattern and I explain why I use it.
I could also replace it with order, or symmetry, or some other word/metaphor that will not imply, as patterns does, what I want to imply as dynamic repeating, consistency.
Perhaps vibration, oscillation, energy, but those words are less effective in transmitting the concept of repeating consistency.
I therefore use PATTERN.
My motive is to understand and to represent this understanding with the appropriate word/symbol/metaphor.
Your motive is to shove your words/symbols/metaphors into an appealing package that can be sold for profit.
Different motives.
Now you explain why you use a different word than love, when you are proposing the same Nihilistic crap?
And why self replaces God so pretentiously.

Poor Sauwie...do not cry.
Sad
I know how you want to overcome your genetic limits...to transcend your determining past/nature.
I know the need to reinvent the already done, to acquire wealth through repackaging the old and wasted, to make a name for yourself, to stand out, for once, to be appreciated.

Miser(able)...usury shames you.
Generosity is a sign of nobility.
What value have you given to your ancestors?
How you shame the one who gave you so much.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:05 pm

Do we need to read the same authors, ascribe to the same authorities, when we stand within the same world?
Each with his own interpretation of it, and some interpreting only the proxy, a piece of scripture, an aphorism, a sentence, before this common world.
 
A reader is the sum of his memories, as genes, and memes, and his understanding is how he relates to world and to the other.
We need no common authors, when a common world is what we have, each of us are the expression of this interpretation of past, coming directly from our relationship with world, or through mediating authorities which we claim to represent the best.
What we nee, the only thing, is a shared symbolic medium, stringently connecting us to our shared world, so that we do not succumb to the seduction of flying free into fantasy.  

Christian defers to Biblical Scripture as though he is its true representation, when all he is is an interpretation of an interpretation of the same indifferent to interpretations cosmos.
foolish men....in authorities you diminish yourself as a mere recording, admiring its own near-perfect accuracy.
Every religion desiring to establishing itself as the final mediator between man and world, must find an icon, as its absolute authority.
The authority need not agree, because he can be interpreted in any way desirable when words are no longer the fiber attaching mind to cosmos.
Foolish man, you may trick the masses, but can you deceive the world; can you enchant it through its weakest agencies, its most fragile manifestations?

If you do, will the world require honesty of you, to sustain this pocket of deceit, making you nothing more than a liar...a politician?
     


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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:27 pm

Preaching to the choir...when you repackage a successful product and resell it as something new and improved.
A ready and willing mass of gullible buyers.

You do not even need talent. Changing the words around will not prevent the sale from finalizing.
The words need not make sense, when the same nonsense was already bought.
They desperately want to buy...you cannot hold them back.
Nothing you say can deter them. It does not matter what you say, if the right buttons are pushed.

Not convincing them...only exploiting what is already present.  

All that chatter, all that hyperbole, and it amounts to something so base, so common, so old.
Make them use different words, force them to change metaphors, and the absurdity of their claims is exposed.
Like making a clown change outfits.
Watch him in the process...his nakedness before he slips on a new face, wig, nose, and baggy trousers.
His anxious movements, his expressions of controlled nervousness...

Look at how simplistic their "philosophy" is when they change words. 
Look at how transparent their motives are when they change metaphors.
Look at how impotent they are, when their penetrating, insinuating, words are made flaccid.  

Fuckin' retards...
I do enjoy it when they underestimate me.
The vain cannot help but do so.
Vanity feeding on vanity.
They mistake me for their own kind, a narcissistic buffoon....and attempt to trigger reactions by attacking my ego.
Stupid fucks.

Call me a Turk because a Turd and a Clown think I'm a National Socialist....
Place value next to self, and then justify it with another word, modular, and defer to Will to Power to lend it credibility.

This is word juggling....talent of the hypocrite coward, so insecure in self in cosmos, that he needs to use words to inflate self as something spectacular - impressing nobody except the vain, the weak, the feeble-minded the already infected with the Nihilistic virus.
Oh yes, god is dead, woe is me...but look here's another clown, hope he's also a half-Jew (symbolic consistency is effective), on a soap-box claiming to be the "real" Messiah....so hurrah!! we are saved, again.
Categories...true believers saved, non-believers damned...sinners.
We'll need a new priest class, new Pharisees....let's call them 'philosophers'...no 'van-clan', 'cause words do not matter. It's all random modulations.

This time for real, though.
Not like before, with that bull....
Proof you say?
Here it is..a new word combination, in my definition.

I can perceive a patterns, but here you must take my word, on it.
Here, let me reinforce my word with more...words.
Preferably quoted from authorities.
Words upon words...a matrix...a nihilistic meme.
Package over package, like a babushka...and inside void...empty space.
No prize...for pezer.
An investment in...
Air.
Bonds.
Jacob Bonds.  

Words floating on air, in abstracted space/time.
Ah, buffoonery though art is mesmerizing.


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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:36 pm

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Is this prime time van-clan material?

Is this the standard I am compared to?
Ha!!!
You pathetic dipshit.
Buffoon...these are the only kinds you'l ever have.
Can't build anything above a chicken-coop with those types of minds, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
I feel ashamed on your be-half.
The burden of empathy.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:53 am

In the recent context of eidos and ego.


1. The ego is the Conscious part of the self, not the self per se.

But because the Apollonian tendency is to place reason higher, the Conscious part of the self comes to the fore as Self itself as a necessary self-preserving illusion.

The self, in fact, is larger than what comes to illumination under the conscious light; it is the entire body of unconscious drives and subconscious instincts prevented for the self's own well-being, from rising into consciousness.
The ability to live, cognizant of every cellular agon, to the degree one can, informs the quality of ego-isms.

How much of the unconscious factor one can appropriate as one's egoistic self.

The incorporated or embodied conscious, to be efficient, is rendered back into one's instincts, as one's  'second nature' and pushed back into the unconscious. If this weren't so, the gravity of knowing would weigh, and a ballerina could never attain to that "perfect grace", what "appears" as 'effortless ease' of her movements.



2. Eidos in relation to Ego, in the human world:

Nietzsche wrote:
"The ideal slave (the "good man").- He who cannot posit himself as a goal, not posit any goals for himself whatever, bestows honor upon selflessness-instinctively. Everything persuades him to this: his prudence, his experience, his vanity. And even faith is a form of selflessness." [WTP, 358]

The world has no meaning, no telos.

And if one doesn't raise the world with an ego-affirmative meaning, then one is ripe for slavery, which is as good as death.
One thrives in as much, one is able to Muster meaning from the fullness of one's self which is the expression of one's WTP - self, being the entire chain of the past and not as atomic individuals (WTP, 687), and to what extent this can be affirmed so.

The self is a creative force.

Just as parents come to fully see their selves in their children, those hidden aspects taken form,, likewise, one comes to real-ization in one's posited ideals. We catch glimpses of ourselves in our ideals, what fruits we bore, what trees we were. Our ideals are in that sense self-constituting.

Knowing Thy Self is a Summoning Thy Self.

"The child is the father of the man." [Blake]

Our children make us real; they real-ize us, are realizations of us.
We are real-ized in our children.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:31 pm

It's an old tale.
An old Jewish princess, past her prime, comes across a virile Greek, and is smitten.
Part of her wants to submit, to him, and the other is too proud, having given herself to her victim culture of the chosen to suffer on behalf of the Husband, in the sky, who will one day return, God.
The aging woman gives in to her passions, and to the Greek's charms, and then regrets it, fearing what will happen if her family finds out.
She concocts a tale of forces copulation, keeping her pregnancy a secret, with the help of her trusted beta-male friend, Joseph, and they skip town, pretending to be husband and wife.
The child born is a half-breed, parts of Hellenism, and parts of Judaism... and only the compatible parts – genetically/memetically speaking.
So, we have the birth of a new hybrid, with the compatible parts of Hellenism assimilated into the mother's side – Judaism is inherited from the mother's bloodline.
I would like to add here an observation of my own concerning offspring - the first born takes the personality of the opposite sex parent, and the looks of the same sex parent – the second born of the parent of the same sex.
Furthermore, the father is absent, as God in the sky.
Jesus can't help but inherit a bit of his Roman father's genetic disposition, so he eventually rebels against his mother's tribe's authority, and is killed for it.
He is not part of the boy's upbringing, leaving him to be raised by his mother.
Like all children of single mothers he idolizes the absent father, and hates him for not being a part of his life.
Identifying with the mother, the son grows up.
When he becomes a young man he goes forth to find his missing father's tribe, wearing his father's style of clothes, wanting to be accepted as a Greek/Roman.
Having no training he begins imitating the outer manifestations, of that tribe, and desperately dreams of being accepted as a Greek.
Dejected and rejected, he returns to his mother's tribe, and concocts a way to combine these two contradicting cultures in his name.

After his death, Jesus is exploited by members of his mother's tribe – full blooded Jews.
They convert the rebel into another symbol of religious authority – and reinvent the rabbinical class, with some minor modification, adapting and adjusting Pagan rituals and worships into Judaism.
Christianity is born.
Spirit of Judaism pagan rituals – soul of mother body of father.

Passion of the Christ is a tale of memetic transplant rejection, and its feverish end.
On the Cross Jewish autoimmunity killed the alien Greek part, the earthly part, fearing its power to replace – it had taken over the Romans from within.
Christianity was reborn out of the reanimated cadaver.

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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:06 pm

Three things:

1. I posted that Crowley quote mostly just to piss you off.
2. I have reason to think Wyld is Capable, a.k.a. Mechanical Monster. Though our styles are quite incompatible, I think that post of his is pretty good. What's your problem with it?
3. My girlfriend (you may like this) thought of an apt metaphor when I told her I told you that "having a 'discussion' with you can work quite well for a while as long as one also, like you, just keeps saying lots of things..." She suggested it was like beating one's chest. You're always beating your chest, and it's no use responding to (questioning, even refuting) the various beats; all one can do is also beat one's own chest.
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PostSubject: Re: State of the World Address. Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:17 am

Ollie wrote:
Three things:
1. I posted that Crowley quote mostly just to piss you off.
And why would any evidence of your degradation anger me?

Ollie wrote:
2. I have reason to think Wyld is Capable, a.k.a. Mechanical Monster. Though our styles are quite incompatible, I think that post of his is pretty good. What's your problem with it?
Then you can explain how, contrary to Evolution Theory a species emerges out of a common ancestor, and how appearance exposes a real divergence in every case except when it comes to humans.
Does it happen magically, immediately, with no stages of divergence, reflected in perceptible changes?
Psychoanalyzing the opposition without offering an alternative for what is perceived, as phenomenon, is what your kind does.
Now you are definitely on-board with Modernity.
A bunch of buffoons....humanists, Marxists, drug addicted hippies, cryto-Christians...a buffet of Nihilists.   

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3. My girlfriend (you may like this) thought of an apt metaphor when I told her I told you that "having a 'discussion' with you can work quite well for a while as long as one also, like you, just keeps saying lots of things..." She suggested it was like beating one's chest. You're always beating your chest, and it's no use responding to (questioning, even refuting) the various beats; all one can do is also beat one's own chest.
That is so sweet.
Tell her hello, and then tell me how you've managed to detach Christianity from Judaism to make Nietzsche a poster-child for your new age Christianity...why your King of Clowns uses value and not eidos...or kind....Is it to then easily attach "self" to it?
What did Bill think of you two? Did he admire your genius?
Why is he not here, part of the van clan, this "only true Nietzschean?

How easily you find an excuse to evade.

No matter.
You are no philosopher.
You are more of a religious scholar. Your disposition is more that of an academic.
A philosopher deals with world, reality as it appears, as it is experienced, and uses the appropriate words to connect and to understand the phenomena, the apparent.

You and your van-clan are no thinkers...you are wannabe spiritualists, reinventing a new Hellenism/Judaism morphoma, a new Christianity that will also include Nietzsche (updated after Christianity was obliterated by him - post Nietzsche Christianity = VO)...performers, juggling words, performing verbal magic tricks, trying to impress, wanting rewards, admiration....power.
The other clown with his performance on races, made it all the more obvious, how typical and average you all are.

Do you feel no sense of shame?
Ha!

Take care....
I will no longer be responding to you, unless you answer my questions.
I've got better things to do than babysit men-children.

I do enjoy you being assaulted by Turd, with his google genius, name dropping, trash-talking, implying he knows it all, 'cause he plucked a few words from on-line and sprinkles them, everywhere....
It is hilarious. A Christian and a crypto-Christian debating who is more Jewish.
One month he's a Hellenophile, studying koine, the next it is Latin, then Mandarin, now it is Kabbalah...
He is blessed by the internet.
Can't wait for his next conflict, forcing him to look-up more words, to pretend he is an expert in that as well, and in the meantime....nothing of his own thinking because it is nonsense.
Can you imagine how much time he spends on-line...surfing, data mining, reading trying to absorb the central themes, constructing a way to imply he understands it better than anyone else....then posting, daily, hourly.
He is charming.  

I would not hope for a convert there, Ollie.
Past trauma has sealed his brain and given him a coping mechanism... different form yours
You can't pull him off the Jesus teet, no more than you can pull yourself off a master.
He sees (mind)rape victims everywhere....healing can only be found in Jesus...and the Clown King Messiah is just not there yet. He has a schitck, you know God as Love, Self as Value....but he needs more mystery, more magic, more KABOOOM!!! to awaken the cowering spirit of the masses.
You, as his Apostle, are too quiet, too docile.
He needs a seller, like Saul, speaking the language of the layman.
Saul-well-ios of (H)Amsterdam.
A well of Iosis - oios of Ios.   
Maybe after he is gone, some tales of him performing miracles will turn the tables.

When Paul gave his sermon to the Corinthians they laughed at him.
He had to take it to Rome, the America of his day, where masses of multiple races suffered - into the catacombs his sermon was taken, out of the sunlight.
The Virus found a way in.
You must go West, young man...where degeneration, miscegenation, decadence, has softened the immune system.
All kinds of Nihilistic monstrosities there.
There your VO might hope to find open wounds.

Ta, Ta,

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Didn't Lyssa diagnose you puuurrfectly, without chest pounding?

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