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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:19 am

To hate hate is to despise what pushes away, what discriminates and differentiates - it is to despise your own skin that separates you from other.
To hate hate is to despise the repulsive force that keeps you alive - it is to resent what keeps you from immersing yourself in otherness, and disappearing in 'love'.
When need/suffering is the cost of existing, of becoming aware of your own presence, then whatever preserves this distance that makes consciousness possible, is hated.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:44 am

SJWs (Sodomites) take up busybodying and nitpicking as a replacement for sophistication. The ones whom tolerate them are simply less rude, and, more tolerant of them than they are of any; since the cost for their denial is not yet passed onto them.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:46 am

It is a great irony that, now that the so-called 'atheist' community are race-deniers and nature-deniers, Fundamentalist Christians are less nihilistic than them and that the bible better cultivates a noble spirit of man than any of them would, making of it (in its fruitfulness) something which is better to study than any doctrine of humanism.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:26 am

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It is a great irony that, now that the so-called 'atheist' community are race-deniers and nature-deniers, Fundamentalist Christians are less nihilistic than them and that the bible better cultivates a noble spirit of man than any of them would, making of it (in its fruitfulness) something which is better to study than any doctrine of humanism.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:53 am

Metaphysics:

Concerning the nature of all things, the æther (nothingness) represents Chaos and infinite Possibility (Impossibility), while matter (things) represent Order and limited/restrained Possibility (Probabilities). Thus from the perspective of Chaos there are no rules nor laws governing existence, except from the perspective of Order there are countless and some fundamental laws. Thus all things are governed by degrees of laws. Biology is the law of genetics and conscious (evolved) life. And the function of genes are to impose their own laws (behaviors) upon the rest of the physical universe.

But it is only ever within the depth of space where no 'things' exist, that a conscious mind clings to hopes of freedom, to build castles far into the sky, with a foundation of air, floating in the nether. The great eternal Æther is a concept stolen by Christians and re-named as their "Heavenly Kingdom". It is the mental realm, of pure imagination, where mankind is 'free' to impose all his dreams. It is a realm of dreams, but also, of nightmares.

This is the nature of Chaos, opposed to Order.

Yet all things (all mass, all matter) have an innate disposition to resist the forces and inter-actions of existence, thus repeating themselves. Rocks share in common their crystalline internal structures, their binding forces, their patterns. And those patterns that they share in common, identify them as similar or the same. So it is true with every animal and every specie. The internal patterns (Order), define them. And if a powerful mind can learn to observe these patterns, recognize them, name them, and predict them, then he can learn true and proper Philosophy, by recognizing the order of all other things, as well as his own order (thy self).
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:03 am

To live is to exist, and to exist is to share in common a shape, form, and mass, common to all other things, beginning with the foundation of Nature (Earth). It is only in the darkness and depth of space above, and outside, that things and life can begin expansion and exploration, filling the void of the universe (Æther) with its own presence. Omni-presence refers to the expansion of mental limits, because even if man cannot travel into the heavens above, into deep space, he can at least see them, for now. And for 2000 years, the philosophers, scientists, and thinking men have gazed up at the night sky, inevitably hoping to rise up and meet them, to become gods, and to re-join the heavenly kingdoms from whence he believes he came from the distant past.

That is the nature of consciousness and of the evolved mind. Man expands with his thought, his consciousness, and grows from that platform. Imagination and fantasies are not enough. Mankind must grasp the nothingness of space, and explore further unknowns.

The unknown is a reflection within himself, and inherent within life. What life does not know of existence, also does not know of itself. And by learning of existence (Philosophy), mankind becomes Wise, and so learns something of the universe and of thyself. It is this learning that mankind re-connects with what already is, but was unknown, or perhaps forgotten. Because what thing within the entire universe can ever be truly 'new' or 'unknown' except what cannot be first imagined and comprehended by the mind? This is the true mental limit (ignorance) of the mind, and the compulsion of humans to close their eyes, and blind themselves to what they fear, not only concerning death, but also of suffering and living a life that they intend to deny and reject.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:33 pm

Why the equality blabla?

Some may confuse with a sense of fairness but it isn't fair not in theory and not in practice because the sexes or races or whatever are very different. So it doesn't even promote more satisfaction in that sense, even less satisfaction when it comes to a sense of fairness. Unless you are some drone who can't think beyond a simple hollow empty word like equality and mistakes the simplest idea of that word for something like fairness in reality.

No...
What it comes down to is lowering the bar, lowering the standards anybody might have.
All those appeals for equality end up doing one thing and that is lowering our standards, for ourselves and standards we have for others.

Gotta treat the retard with an equal amount of respect in 'polite' society.
And so forth...

Which creates contempt in everyone for everybody else.
If you are more intelligent than the other, or better in a certain way then you will end up with contempt for those who you are eventually forced to lower yourself to.
If you are the weaker party and you have some self-awareness then you will end up with contempt as well for playing along in this self-demeaning charade of pretending to be on equal footing.

So who would promote, actually promote, this equality?
Somebody who is very smug.
Somebody with a false sense of self-worth, not only about the value but a false approach to the whole matter of self-worth itself.
Somebody who likes to destroy what is beautiful.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:34 am

When losing a game, the desperate, base and weak man sees an opportunity to manipulate the winner into a nihilistic vanity which will hurt his sanity or reputation*.. Instead of looking at himself and how he can and might improve.


*A man who is flattered feels cornered by a lie about his "great and extraordinary" talents just as much as, if not more than, he does by a lie about his weakness. At least the latter is more easily proven wrong, generally... The former flattery is much more difficult. The difficulty of refusing a flattering compliment comes from the rejection being twisted as you being "unsportsmanlike", "ungrateful" or as having admitted to actually being inferior. Either way, just the silence in the face of an untrue flattering remark can cause a sense of guilt and shame, from letting it settle without an obvious or bold deflection. Typically from the resulting judgments of those around you who take it seriously and thus, perhaps,  begin to expect too much or assign your positive assent to the compliment because it was not rejected. After all, they'd probably enjoy affirming a vain compliment of themselves. Such a deceptive technique requires a peculiar passion that rarely any may have: a passion for rejecting an untrue compliment about oneself to the same or greater degree required to deal with the fallout of such a rejection.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:21 am

A shameless, disfigured, genetically diseased and sterile whore with a paper bag over her head could make as much money as a corporate executive or a farmhand whose efforts provide nutritional sustenance. That is capitalism.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:03 am

A monotheistic God may represent the lowest common denominator of virtues as the highest and most absolute. This is distinctly different, maybe even as the opposite, from what one might call the Sanatana Dharma (Sanatana: eternal)(Dharma: logos, natural law) represented or personified in a monotheistic manner.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:17 am

Murder is a kindness against those that feel so entitled to the fruits you've produced that, for the sake of their acquisition, they'd sully the virtues which enabled the production of those fruits to begin with.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:54 am

As virtue is consumed by a force which seeks to level values to their lowest common denominator, so too will the individual be unable to fulfill the best of themselves through their own distinct virtues. Here, the promotion of 'judge individuals only' runs up against its nihilistic end: that justice among individuals means injustice for the fulfillment of an individual's personal virtues. A fish must swim in water like a European man must reside with his people.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:24 pm

What do Moderns think of Morality...

...when they claim a half-jew, over 2000 years ago, died for *them* and absolved their sins *today* and not only today, but for all time?

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:26 am

Memes manifest from genes.

Therefore, to produce a better ideology, a superior intellect (High IQ), a superior genetic foundation is also required. The only chance for (higher) intelligence to exist, on the evolutionary scale, is to begin from a long line of superior breeding choices.

Understand that intelligence is not as easy as merely one generation, finding one mate, marriage between a husband and wife, and one child, but several, and dozens, and decades, and centuries. That is the production and preservation, the upkeep of (superior) intelligence. It is not "out of thin air" that great individuals and feats of mankind suddenly appear. Greatness is a pyramid. People only direct their eyes upward to the apex, ignoring the mass of stone underneath. In sports, people applaud and seek out the championship game, ignoring the mountain of failures left behind and forgotten. Beneath every spectacle and artifice is the great Sacrifice.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:33 pm

The cause for fantasies and imaginations (Utopia) begins with rejection of the world (Nature) "as it is".

Such reality-denial represents the seeds of Abrahamic faith and the spread of pop religions across the world and time. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and the other less popular forms, feed on this compulsion, twisting and manipulating it to their own benefit. It is a complex process and involves much Institutionalization "education" and time. Over long periods of time, by restricting and suppressing the population, the underlying aims of the Church, the foundation, would become exposed according to its truest expressions and intentions.

But the underlying force, when humanity is bound together into "One" mass (Slavery), is the same and it is common. Reality-denial begins with "hate", hatred of the world (Nature) as it is.

Thus Liberalism, Modern liberals, wish to "free" themselves from nature, from the past, from embarrassment, from genetic mistakes, from bad breeding practices, from failed lineages, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:24 pm

All qualities of greatness, beauty, intelligence, strength, wealth, invite decadence to them, because the greater the quality, the greater effort and cost it is to maintain, boiling down to life itself and maintaining Health. Age will destroy health, eventually, wrinkles will mar a beautiful face, dementia and rot will attack the mind and memories, and muscles decay in atrophy when not in use.

But just because decay occurs does not mean the fight to sustain them, is meaningless. On the contrary that maybe the *only* meaningful pursuit in life, to maintain the highest qualities that humanity strives for. This is the reason why intellectuals still value the ancient wisdom, words and books from the philosophers, passed on today. This is the reason why Da Vinci can paint the Mona Lisa as a tribute to a woman's beauty. All of these efforts are to preserve the (ancient) memories of great accomplishments.

And of course, beauty is the accomplishment of breeding, of superior mating choices over decades, generations, and centuries.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:18 am





Can snakes really develop an emotional bond with their owner? I strongly doubt it. There's something wrong with these people keeping snakes as pets.


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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:16 am

Every ideology and culture needs something which it will soften itself to. Some ideal which will make them accept the destruction of themselves for those superior to manifest. What can do this? Every man wants to die only to a superior. In this struggle against deceptive forces, if we conquer, what will we do for its end? What could we learn and how could we, without resentment, recognize those that are our betters without using the same tactics which were used before?

We cannot accept both kinds of love from women at the same time. We cannot accept the love that comes from men competing in the battlefield together, to leave only the most fit to survive this universe and simultaneously accept the putting of nonviolence and safety for all people above the violence of this battling. It is this masculine institution of war, where women are raped instead of murdered, that expresses the highest love for the human species.

How we got here: England. Jewish England. Post-Civil War England was when Christianity became hypermasculine and Puritanical. Hypermasculinity meant that, in reality, they were weak - but pretended to be of a great noble stock. Anglo-Saxons were a bit more depraved and anti-human than the rest of the world expected, which gave them the nihilistic outrage to push them to the top of the world... only for parasites/viruses like Jews to quickly take advantage of their over-estimation of their own importance. The English are like fallen angels, given the gift of intelligence - but their hearts too fragile. Their hearts were circumcised since birth, so they never saw need to circumcise them any further, but instead tried to make up for it.

Maybe it is nihilistic to even expect that we can get rid of deception at all or to think we should be above its method - and that the striving to be always honest is folly. Still, that appears unsatisfactory for what I've personally fought for. And maybe that's the issue, anyway. It's only me that's obsessed with honest combat. Honest combat includes the knowledge your opponent will use deception - and that means that how we got here is by the same methods always used in history. Jews were always playing a fair game.

But, how can we reach for the stars if we're concerned only with conflict here on Earth? Maybe that will happen regardless, as it always has... But also, if we are battling, how do we prevent another virus/disease such as Judaism from taking advantage of the conflict to infiltrate the polity? Especially if they offer something to the enemy they wouldn't to us.

Destroying Jews, or exiling them.. won't resolve the problem. It is illness of the body and culture. The question is how to solve that issue while affirming the possibility of the illness arising again? And I think there is no eternal answer to that. It will arise again. Conflict is inevitable and the weakening of the immune system will happen with time, as people dismiss tales of old. All there is, is an ideal of an independent man, for the culture of man.

If I could summarize the behavior of deception, it is that a liar gets caught and then declares the hatred of the person who catches them as hatred for some other purpose than that they lied. With that failure, it is a matter of appealing to universalist moral principles that are for purpose of evil by making a comparison which no longer compares the situation with previous action, but with an external standard.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:44 pm

You listen to your college miscreant professor and he tells you about not having kids and empowerment.
You don't have kids and you end up feeling like your life is not good.
What do?
No problem. Having no kids, having a miserable life, having some STDs, living in a socially diversified environment, it's all something which is redefined as something which makes you strong.

Empowerment continues.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:08 am

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We cannot accept both kinds of love from women at the same time. We cannot accept the love that comes from men competing in the battlefield together, to leave only the most fit to survive this universe and simultaneously accept the putting of nonviolence and safety for all people above the violence of this battling. It is this masculine institution of war, where women are raped instead of murdered, that expresses the highest love for the human species.

Men of certain political groups do not care if the women of other nations or groups are raped by some foreign tribe of which they had no involvement. There is no human rights 'crisis'. They are concerned about protecting their own tribe, their own daughters and harem.

The issue with 'human rights', the reasoning of 'rape shouldn't occur anywhere', is that without group distinction there is no longer any basis for judging whether something is rape or not. There are no longer any outside identities from the ruling institution and its law. Justice cannot be achieved in this environment because there is no base for comparison between how one group/polity behaves or promote behaving and another.

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Some might ask: What is the purpose of white nationalism if it's not to be something violent or criminal? Why don't you just accept defining yourself by money, like ourselves?

My response: Only an identity which defines itself by something different to money can provide a basis for closer inspection of the monetary system itself and the seeking out of corruption/bribery. There is no basis for saying 'bribery' or 'corruption' is wrong in any regard if the only basis for your identity is money.

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It is the smaller amount which you define yourself which enables a greater sight and exposition of abuse. White nationalists do not see the race as an end-in-itself, but as a stepping stone they must affirm for the full identification and expression of their individual identity. Being human is only the beginning of the stairway, as a white man climbs up to distinguishing himself, he comes across a missing step which prevents him from ascending the steps any further. His race. Above that is his ethnicity, then his family and then himself.

Indeed, no honest man can identify fully with their ethnicity, family and themselves in an objective sense without also fully countenancing their race. In fact, some even try to flip objectivity on its head in this regard, especially when investigated on their race denialism, and say that "No, you start at the individual level and go outward." This is nonsensical. One must start with what they are not, not with what they are.

Race only appears to be attacked because it is a manifested identifier that can be acted upon in order to achieve the further distinction and advancement in a geopolitical sense. That is, a distinction which would exclude elements that desperately mustn't be seen as distinct.

Dr. William Pierce wrote:
They want to be the one and only self-conscious group on this earth able to act intelligently in promoting their group interests, and then the world will belong to them.

If this group remains the only legitimate identifier, then the path/pattern is set - there will be only two categories of people: those like the ones entitled to distinction and those that aren't. Superficial distinction can be seen as a 'band-aid' to this realization by the promotion of bullshit like political organization around being "female" or "gay". A secondary purpose to these superficial identifications is as a tool for conflating geopolitically relevant identifiers with those that are only superficial.

As an aside, this is why God in the bible is said to have separated people by language and not by race. All relevant text must be within the realm of some universal kind of 'morality' at its base, so that the worst the benefactors of the religion could ever experience is that of a non-racial and non-genetic basis for justice. Being that it is meant for slave castes it makes sense, as good news of a future Greek heaven - that they will be remembered by Christ and Christ will be remembered and rule over all in the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:03 pm

Nature embodies aggression, conflict, predation, and violence. However within all of this competition there is another critical function, Sex. Sex is how nature has forced organisms into cooperation. It is not until males and females obey primal instinct (to mate) that cooperation becomes a necessity. (With mammals) A male *needs* a female to reproduce himself. And a female *needs* a male to reproduce herself.

Hypothesis: all forms of organic cooperation are rooted in the seed of sexuality (to reproduce, to extend survival into new re-generations).
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:56 am

If the only relevant differences between groups and individuals are their ideas and nothing genetic, then there is no such thing as 'progress' of the human species beyond the dialectical.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:06 am

When it's an inalienable fact that I have implicit biases which make me prejudiced, and racism is prejudice + power, the only logical conclusion is that the only thing which can fix the disparity is: me handicapping myself so I lose power - making me no longer racist.

Then, I can be prejudiced while having no power… And some other person, who magically is able to be non-prejudiced (unlike me), can take my place. Then, if I am discriminated against, I will have to strive again to attain power. This will continue until everything equalizes - and all are equally uniform in character, culture and talent.

The nature of power is that someone always has more or less of it than you do. The idea that one should just "keep in mind" one's privilege, or "be aware of injustice" is what men call virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is the pretense of concern whilst doing nothing to help. And helping inevitably means the above situation playing out. As a result, of this masculine disposition to ACT and resolve a problem, the contradiction is fixed by the 'system' or 'establishment' by instead feminizing men and flipping reality on its head to prevent the exposition of its weakness and impotency as an institution.

Keeping men from acting by whatever means necessary.

Part of this problem is the vagueness which people reference "power" - typically replaced with money, though. Generally speaking, someone always has power over another - and most people (99%) have people with power over them. When it comes to social power, money has been used as a stand-in for less scientific methods. Money itself cannot be used alone as an indicator, or else we'd see that Jews hold the vast amount of wealth over other groups and come to the logical conclusions. Therefor they include things such as political power and representation as groups in governance.

The difficulty of synthesizing these two views of power (money/representation) is being unable to equate people with money, which those promoting this idea can do easily because they dehumanize everyone they're talking about.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:40 am

They have already narrowed it down, if you are White and don't do what they want then you are morally at fault. And 'they' is basically those who hold positions of moral authority, which is simply those who have the means and the will to inform you. The (((media))) for the most part.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:47 am

Let's be objective about our existence.
Let's pretend we are not who we are but a neutral observer without being invested into anything, having no values of any kind.
Now lets determine the worth of the European race.
Gotcha.
Otherwise that's just your subjective opinion and that necessarily means that it doesn't mean anything because I imply so.

Me, I'm merrily being objective here, that's why I focus my identity deconstructing argument only on those who I want to deconstruct.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:50 pm

Objective, refers to a goal.
In philosophy the goal is to see the world as clearly, honestly, as possible.
This is what is meant by approaching, moving towards objectivity.
To be subjectively as close to with the world outside, beyond, your subjective interpretations.
Your interpretations, your ideas/ideals, to be as close to an agreement with reality.
But reality is not a static thing...it is interactivity - Flux.
That alone, besides the imperfection inherent in all organisms, makes absolute objectivity impossible.
As is absolute knowledge - omniscience.
As is absolute power/strength - omnipotence.

Therefore strength is a measure of weakness...and knowledge is a measure of ignorance, and objectivity is a measure of subjectivity...in relation to the world we are all a part of.
The ideal, is another term for the objective - the goal, as a movement towards it.
In the case of philosophy the goal is approaching the objective, attaining clarity.
If the objective is not pure, if it is corrupted by an alternate objective, such as survival, self-interest, pleasure, then it cannot be approached.
Pretending to be interested in world, while you are not, will not make you see world as it is.
Declaring yourself as someone who has as an objective seeing world, as it is, and not as he wishes it were, will not fool the objective, but only you, and perhaps a few gullible fools.

If someone admits that his goal is not to see the world as it is, but to find pleasure in it, to gratify his needs, to comfort your fears, then you are not interested in philosophy.
Ironically, your objectives become more impossible the more you fail to perceive world as it is.

So, 'objective', in the context of human awareness of world, encompassed in the discipline of philosophical discourse, means to have as a goal the approach, as far as you can accomplish it, to the world, as it is - to harmonize the subjective interpretations of world, with the fluctuating interactions called wold.
The only sign of success is through application, and the cost/benefits, the consequences of this application, relative to the goal itself.

So, if we switch objectives from world to the delusion of Christianity, then the approach to the nihilistic objective of christian salvation, purity of motive, complete innocence always fails when applied, because world enacts a heavy cost, if the individual is not somehow protected.
The christian must lie, to himself, and to gullible companions, on the same quest, with the same objective, otherwise if the Christian ideal is applies honestly and as it is defined, it suffers the consequences.
This is true of all nihilistic ideals, to the degree that their ideal is in disharmony with the real, or their interpretations are contradicted by the world; their opinion are not in agreement with world.
If sheltered, as in Modern social systems, then the costs may be postponed, or reduced, when others are forced to accept the costs of your errors in judgments, on your behalf, as part of a social arrangement.
But then no adjustment is ever attempted....and the entire system slowly declines....if it does not impose strict rules regulating judgments, and actions.

Such as forcing people to wear helmets, or seat-belts, or forcing strict rules in the market, to make them safe for fools, to protect idiocy from the consequences of its inferior judgment.
The institution becomes a parent, protecting infantile minds from themselves, and what get by, is shared, so as to reduce the severity on the individual.
This is dumbing-down and how it must maintain a moral and law and order severity, allowing its citizens to remain as childish as possible, without the entire system collapsing.







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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:13 pm

It's like -
Trying to be objective about myself, it becomes clear that I am not detached from myself as a subjective being and that I am not objective in the sense of what I am.

So me being objective means I recognise that I am a subject.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:24 pm

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It's like -
Trying to be objective about myself, it becomes clear that I am not detached from myself as a subjective being and that I am not objective in the sense of what I am.

So me being objective means I recognize that I am a subject.
Yes...and to what degree your self-interests, ego, emotions, corrupt your judgments
Know Thyself.

Placing the standard outside self, is the best way.....and this is by the consequences, measured against the world.
Ideal evaluated against the real.
Costs/Benefits....intent versus outcome.

Next best way is by evaluating abstractions, ideas, against the real, by the quantity and quality of references to it.
Another way is via a third party - empathically.
Observing the application as a detached third-party.....this eliminates the immediacy of the corrupting elements of ego, emotion, but still retains self-interests.
Costs/Benefits suffered, or enjoyed, by another, measured against the objective.

All mental abstractions, all theories, can be evaluated in this way.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:50 pm

Compromising one's own behavior, always, for the sake of peace, will inevitably mean an infinite number of compromises "between the sane and insane" (Satyr); between lies as an act and truth as an act. Not evil and good.

Every truth you will to power for yourself and speak politically, will encounter a more easily 'discovered' lie.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:01 am

Women love who they want.
Men love who they can.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:22 am

Æon wrote:
Women love who they want.
Men love who they can.

I agree as I understand it.

"I just can't love you."
and
"I don't want to love you."
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:31 am

The starting premise of both of you is wrong. Women can't romantically love men. Men love, women are loved.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:46 am

Love is a product of imprinting, or attachment.
If the individual, male or female, likes himself, to the extent that he knows himself, then he loves his traits in others.
If he does not, he loves in others, what he lacks in himself, as far as he knows and understands it.

Love is self extended to other.
One can love a pet, or an abstraction, like nation, like God, when his identity is founded on it - if he associates his understanding of self with this otherness.

Love i an evolution of lust.
Lust is an automatic attraction to perceived symmetry and proportionality, in body, as the primal, first stage, and in more complex organisms, like humans, in mind, expressed as attitude, demeanor, humor, creativity.
The physical is immediate, and instinctive: a genetically determined reaction to evaluated potentials - health, fitness, reproductive, resistance to parasites etc.
The mental is slow and ambiguous, accentuating or diminishing the first. This is more evident in females who must evaluate the male's potentials even though he does not know them, or has exaggerated them either negatively or positively: over-under-estimated them.
Overestimation is the fall back error, when reproduction is in question, because reproduction is a product of excess, of collected and contained energies, therefore the attitude is one of excess in all areas including self-estimation.
Otherwise, how would males even dare to compete?
The excess energies put the mind in a state of frenzy...if you watch males compete in the wild they do so at the cost of their own survival, taken over by desire - lust.
Excess energies produce a sense of imenseness, of hyper-ego.
Love, by comparison, is hyper-self.

Hyper-gamy, is the female's intuitive desire for what is above her, which is based no her self-esteem, and self-knowledge.
The male is only interested in potential offspring, and so his criteria are less demanding and judgmental, when he is young, and become increasingly so when his own energies wane and his commitments, in time and energy, require more care.
Female and male judgment converge - the females due to the burden of gestating and weening a large-brained offspring, and the male, gradually, due to natural decline of his energies forcing him to be more quality oriented,a s opposed to his youth when quantity was his criteria of success.

Of course, in all this mess, we must factor in the social conventions concerning male and female promiscuity - memetic rules.
Unlike in natural environment, in human social systems controlling genetic dispositions permits the continuance of more stable social systems.
Males are forced into more feminine attitudes, concerning sexual relationships and reproduction, because of social restrictions imposed upon him by the system - holding him accountable, or restricting his access to females due to monogamy rules and regulations, enforced with moral codes and law and order, as well as by peer pressures.

In nature there would be no MGTOW, for example, because 1% of the males would seed 90% of the females, excluding 99% of the males from the gene pool.
Men would not 'turn their backs on women' because they would never be in the running - males expendabilty is nature;s way of passing on superior genes.
Also explaining why males dominate in all disciplines that require creativity, and thinking outside the box, and why females are good at repeating established truths, replicating them loyal, following rules and rulers, evaluating potentials, despite hyperbole, fitting into, adapting to, established systems etc.

Their commitments have an expiration date...in humans around 5-7 years, or the length of time a human, big-brained, offspring can mature and enough to be self-sustaining.
then she begins 'shopping around' for new genetic material.
Female loyalty is fickle.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:28 am

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Idealism, using my own terminology, refers to the noumenon, which is more, or less in reference to reality, or the phenomena of interactivity.
In the case of romanticism it describes Modern Nihilism - a purification of humanity, and of sexuality.
It detachment form world, and conversion into a pure noetic construct.
Modern do the same with the word 'human', replacing 'God' with it.
Love, in this context, remains the same.
A projection of Divine love - spirit connecting the Father, in Heaven, with the Son, sent to save the soiled, sinner, to bring salvation as a option.
Spirit is the connector, elating to Mind/Body as the nervous system.

Brain - God
Body = Son
Spirit = Nervous System

Romantic love is this sanctification of a primal mechanism making heterosexual reproduction possible.
In other words it is non-existent, except as pure idea(l).
Therefore, since males are more able to abstract, and are prone to creatively take themselves out of the 'box', it is males who are more prone to be dominated by the idealization of lust/love...whereas females, being more pragmatic, less capable with the abstract, are taken over by lust/love, as innate, visceral, emotion, sensation, and cannot relate to masculine idealization.
They are confused by male conceptions of them, and of sexuality.

Female brains actually lose respect for males that fall into this state of lustful paroxysm. They consider such males weak...weaker than themselves, immediately losing sexual desire for them.
Placing females on a noetic pedestal, as many beta males do, as part of their alternative method of gaining sexual access, is pragmatically beneficial to females....but not sexually attractive.
Now...why would an inferior male benefit from idealizing the female sex?
Well, because unable to compete with superior males, his only other options is to become useful, to a female, within the context of a group, social system, with internal hierarchies and conflicts.
To make of himself a willing slave to her whims, he must place himself in a state fo surrender - seeing the object of his desire, as a divine creature he must give himself to.

Explaining why inferior males tend to be passionate feminists.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:27 pm

Idealism is the convenience of 'living in your head' rather than using ideas as connectors to world.
It is easy and so it becomes popular if the conditions are present, like sheltering.
An ideal remaining in the mind, cannot be confronted, challenged, soiled by reality.
It can never be discredited, because any flaw can be blamed on the mind, leaving the idea(l) pristine and pure.
In the mind anything is possible, because there is no indifferent world to set it straight, to correct it.

But for all that think that the ideal is the contrived one, the perfect, the whole, let them not forget that the nil is also an idea(l), that only means something in relation to the absolute ideal of one.
Pure Nihilists think it is a result of their maturity that they've advanced from the childishness of an absolute one, to the absolute nil.
Just as easily as the naive idealist can construct ideas, unbothered by anything outside his head, so can the pure Nihilist negate it all, and everything, with a word, a symbol....0.

It is true that only advanced retardation can go from absolute one, to absolute nil, but this still remains trapped in the Nihilistic paradigm - binary, dualism...1/0...absolute one, and absolute nil.
Easy construction of ideas, unaffected by fluctuating contradiction world, and absolute negation, of the previous, unconcerned with the presence of world.

The process is one of potential and maturation.
Disillusionment with ideals that are detached from reality, gives way to the cynical, denouncement of all ideas, trapped in its reference to the previous.

Positive Nihilist = the absolute, the ideal, exists, out there, somewhere, waiting to be discovered.
The idea(l) is me, and I will create it.
Pure Nihilist = The idea(l) is nowhere, is nothing, all is equally nil.

All of it a product of linguistic confusion, supported by a sheltering environment that permits it to imagine as fantasy.



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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:03 pm

AutSider wrote:
Women can't romantically love men. Men love, women are loved.

It's not the same kind of love but they do love.
A babe in love with her bad-boy does many stupid things and in the sense that love is a state of madness they can be very mad about him.

Now I don't think that a state of madness is the only thing or way how to think about love but if it wouldn't alter your thinking when it comes to the loved one then what would love be?
Love adds irrational elements, premises, to your thinking.

And so I do think women can be in love.
Though I also think that it's different from men in ways.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:30 pm

Men seek out power in life.
Women seek out powerful men.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:22 pm

"Down a winding pathway in a garden old, tripped a beauteous maiden, but her heart was cold. Came a prince to woo her, SAID he loved her true; maiden said he didn’t, so he ceased to woo. Came a perfumed noble — dropping on one knee; SAID his love was deeper, than the deepest sea. But the winsome maiden, said his love was dead, and the perfumed noble, accepted what she said. Came a dashing Stranger, took her off by force: said he’d MAKE her love him, and she did — of course."

There are many out there who believe that words alone are a form of action as opposed to physical force. Words without force and reality there to back them up will always result in the production and dominance of creative cowards.

Socrates should have been punched in the face.

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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:32 pm

Romantic love has implications of self-sacrifice and a deeper emotional attachment. Women aren't self-sacrificing for men and their emotional attachment is rather shallow, as it has had to be through history because her man could get killed by a stronger one and having deep feelings for her killed partner would be counter-productive to her survival.

Calling the way women relate sexually/romantically to men "love" in the same way we say men "love" women will inevitably result in confusion and men having unrealistically high expectations of their women (basically, expecting women to reciprocate the love), followed by disappointment when almost all women fail to meet these masculine standards.

The hierarchy is rather clear:

Men love and transfer energy to women, women love and transfer energy to children, children are the net recipients of energy and the reason that the man and woman cooperate.

This isn't an absolute hierarchy - children don't always just receive resources from their parents, they have their chores and little things they do to contribute as well. Just like women don't only extract resources from the man himself, but may do some easier work to extract resources from nature. And like children, women rely on their appearance, on being cute and having neotenous features to extract resources from others (primarily men), men in general can't do that.

However you look at it, woman is a half-adult, half-child, and her purpose is as a mediator between the man and child, a sort of an "emotional glue", the heart of the family with the man as the head.

Women can love men based on blood (fathers, brothers, children...) but not romantically.
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PostSubject: Re: Observations and Thoughts too short for their own threads - 2 Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:32 pm

The Modern world blurs the concept of 'love'. Moderns use the term synonymous when nuance and degree are required. Paternal love, father-son or father-daughter relationships are very important, and much rarer than they are for mother-son or mother-daughter relationships. When a man experiences a caring relationship to his daughter, and daughter to father, the idea of love is differently than in other relationships, father to son, mother to son, or mother to daughter, etc. I like to watch Liberal-Left media criticize and attack Ivanka Trump when she defends her father. Because it violates and contradicts many "values" which liberal-left claim to have. Defend women. But not Ivanka Trump. Promote successful women. But not Ivanka Trump. Respect women. But not Ivanka Trump.

Be a feminist. But don't be Ivanka Trump.

The hidden message is that daughters should 'hate' their fathers, and not love them. Because what is feminism, if not a schism in the family? Is it not an attack against patriarchy, and so, an attack against their own fathers? Feminists have daddy-issues. Usually, abandoned or rejected by their fathers, daughters who grew up without a strong, proud, or respectable man for a father. And so, like with other Nihilistic tendencies, feminists tend to blame the Absentee parent or guardian.

Like with Christians, blaming the invisible Abrahamic god....
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