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PostSubject: Religion, politics, delusion... Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:22 pm



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IMO only the principles themselves matter, I don't care about the justifications others have for those principles. Well, I do care slightly, but I've made peace with the fact that most people will have delusional justifications and mostly I really don't care what the masses think about anything.

As long as people are for blood and soil (and other principles I advocate), I don't care if they justify it by saying "because Yahweh said so", "because Odin said so", or because whatever.

Sure, it would be nice if Europeans stopped being Christians and adopted a more naturalistic way of thinking, but that's extremely unlikely to happen. I've already expressed this view before - most people NEED some comfortable delusion just to survive. Even some pagans, like Varg, believe in certain comfortable fantasies - rebirth being one. Without it, they would kill themselves or go insane.

Looking at the world with no rose-colored glasses is NOT for all. Only a few have the courage and willpower to endure it without going insane or breaking and regressing to comfortable delusions of the past.

I also believe that most people don't have the capacity to understand the deeper underlying reasons for certain principles, so they have to rely on "God said so" as a justification.

Reminds me of a great quote by Strabo:

"The multitude are restrained from vice by the punishments that the gods are said to inflict upon offenders, and by those terrors and threatenings which certain dreadful words and monstrous forms imprint upon their minds. For it is impossible to govern the crowd of women, and all the common rabble, by philosophical reasoning, and lead them to piety, holiness and virtue – but this must be done by superstition, or the fear of the gods, by means of fables and wonders; for the thunder, the aegis, the trident, the torches (of the Furies), the dragons, etc.. are all fables. These things the legislators used as scarecrows to terrify the childish multitude.”
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:54 am

AutSider wrote:
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"Christians have never been united against the enemies of Europe"

This is blatantly false. The early Catholics/Romans waged many Crusades against Jews, Arabs, Moslems, and Turks/Asiatics in the Middle East, to prevent their invasions and encroachments into Southern Europe. The secession of Christian power allowed for the fall of Constantinople. Christianity is most responsible for the long length of time that Constantinople faced centuries of attacks and invasion attempts from (Asiatic-Mongrel) Turks.

However this is not to say that Northern Europeans (Pagans) and Southern Europeans (Christian/Romans) were always or sometimes allied. Obviously there was much battles between them (German barbarians and Keltic tribes against Roman imperialism). And even Christianity eventually moved northward into Central and Northern European areas (after the Medieval era).


"If you are a Christian then you are per definition not a Nationalist"

Agreed, the Abrahamic sects (Christianity-Judaism-Islam) are anti-nationalism insofar as their religious servants and followers value religion more than their own particular countries. Therefore the pride of religion is opposed to patriotism (pride of country).


"You're following an immigrant religion (Christianity/Islam)"

Kind of, Judeo-Christian (pop) religion is an out-crop and extension of Greco-Roman history, as imitation of it by Semitic (Middile Eastern) peoples. The Semitic races are those who originally spawn in and around, and claim blood heritage with Israel, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. Yes these are foreigners to racial Europeans. However sources and origin require a deep historical understanding of when and where groups interacted, fought, and conquered each-other.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:54 pm

Rebirth/reincarnation into earth isn't a comfortable fantasy, it is more of a horror in my opinion. Banning all abrahamic religions is only a pipedream, but often pipedreams come true.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:48 pm

They are for blood and soil when its convenient to them, not wanting to suffer the consequences for their ideals. If they need comfortable delusions then do they really deserve to survive? Who are we to help save them? They already have their savior, let it guide them back to the desert where they belong.


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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:48 pm

This isn't about saving others, this is about cooperating with them for the sake of survival because in relation to most others (cuckservatives and liberals, who make up the large majority) we have common goals. Maybe it comes easier to me because I'm already used to being an outsider and blending in to advance my own interests whilst remaining detached. If they agree with me about the fundamental principles, what do I care for their justifications... why should I give a shit? I don't need their validation of my beliefs. Yes, I would prefer to be surrounded by people whose beliefs more closely resemble mine, but there's too few of such people.

Nationalist Christians are my allies, at least for the time being.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:09 pm

Religion is used as a wedge issue to create division. Varg is correct, but at the same time christians are the vast majority of European people so co-operation is necessary.

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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:51 am

Nice vid. by Varg.

Its a part of natural adjustment that religion is a necessity to propagate customs as unaltered as possible to maintain a sense of tradition and social cohesion for shared identity,, just as science is a necessity to release free-thinking radicals to break away from traditions to innovate, to elevate, to create higher standards. Natural the religion ["holy lies"] and natural the science, stronger and stabler our "body" as a whole. Firm body, free spirit.

Any co-operation with any kind of Xt. in the long term will be a compromise. Consider the simple effect of a school and the necessary "adjustment" that requires in the long run along with a multiplying Xt. population, and you have your country ripe for dysgenics.
Any collusion with Xt. is surrender to their claim to history that Europe is a Xt. civilization, the myth on which their 'nationalism' is based.

Imagine those like Turd on ILP calling themselves European or White... It is a material and spiritual degradation and will constitute such hijacked historical identity in the future, and before you know it, knowledge and record of your real roots will be erased.

Xt. nationalism is mostly an intra-semitic competition and we should never forget that.









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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:27 pm

1. I'd make it clear to Christian nationalists that if I ally with them it is in spite of their Christianity, not because of it.

2. It may be possible to convert Christian nationalists, especially if they're already redpilled on the JQ by pointing out that Christianity IS the immigrant, desert religion and that they're worshiping a Jew on a stick. Why trade in one Jew for another?

And speaking of Jews, I've never liked the idea that 'we should not be anti-semitic because that's exactly what Jews want us to do so they can play the victim'. If you can't even hate an enemy that is destroying you, then you've already lost by conceding the moral highground to the enemy and making them untouchable.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:20 pm

Hatred is a primitive and necessary response. It is an indicator of weakness to the degree it affects you, but it is also the point of it, to respond to what it is which affects you. To inspire a more martial and disciplined behavior from oneself.

Anger is a recognition of that which is fundamentally against your very being and what you are. That is, the recognition of a pattern which, if it persists, will destroy what you find is uncompromisingly valuable. The straining on social trust is also a straining against sexual trust, which is creative and artistic in nature (procreation). In the last paragraphs of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I talk about the possibly Judaic origin of this stress.

The response to hatred is to affirm it more so one may perform a way to rise above it, not to reject it out of shame and then let it become resentment.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:11 pm

Varg's view on civilization reminds me of Satyr's view on feminization. A dog is a domesticated wolf, civilized, institutionalized, feminized.


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PostSubject: Re: Religion, politics, delusion... Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:49 pm

More artificial distinctions while applying the razor to safeguard Xt., from 'cucked Xt.':

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