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PostSubject: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:55 pm

What is the meaning of a symbol?

Why are certain natural elements represented with symbols..
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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:11 pm

gafr wrote:
What is the meaning of a symbol?

Why are certain natural elements represented with symbols..
You means symbols, like letters, put in a sequence we call words?

Symbol is a representation of a pattern, interpreted as an abstraction.
Symbol refers to the abstractions, which is a representation, a simplification/generalization of a phenomenon.
Symbol = the externalization of a neurological abstraction - a noumenon (idea) given shape and form that can be shared.

Noumenon = abstraction of phenomenon.
Abstraction = simplification/generalization - reduction of the phenomenon's spatial dimensions (possibility).
Two types of noumena =
1- a product of a direct interpretation, of phenomena, using the sense organ, or the nervous system. The abstractions are stored in memory as neurological configurations. If given a symbol they are codified - converted to code.
Experiences, either first or second hand, are stored memories.
Genes and memes, are stored experiences.
2- Abstractions, stored in memory combined into forms that have nothing to do with the phenomena they interpreted, or contradict the experienced.
Suck combinations have no external reference, and so are pure noetic constructs created in the mind.

Phenomenon = appearance, presence.
Appearance = interpretations of an interactive pattern, and/or congruence of patterns.

Pattern = ordering - repeating, consistent, rhythm - dynamic oscillation/vibration.
Congruence = two, or more patterns perceived at the moment, in space/time, of their interacting.
Unity = a congruence that has achieved balance, due to their interactive dynamics
Interaction = repulsion/attraction between two, or more, patterns.

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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:25 pm

I was referring more specifically to ancient pagan symbols, but technically it would apply to the written letter symbols.

So the creation of pagan symbols were to communicate with each other, or communicate the self with reality.

I guess a better question to ask would be how were those symbols used?
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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:37 pm

Like for example, I see buildings constructed with pagan symbols carved into them, some very sophisticated requiring a lot of work..I wondered, since it's clearly done out of seriousness, why would they choose to put symbols into buildings...Just decoration?
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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:38 pm

Same way all symbols are still used.
Symbols communicate abstractions.

An abstraction - noumenon - can be a combination of patterns.
The symbol facilitates the representation of multiple patterns with one representation - simplification/generalization.
Pagans used them to represent a multiplicity of natural processes they experienced in nature.

Their gods were symbols of the same.

Symbols are also ways of communicating complex concepts to the average, mediocre, laymen - reducing the symbolized to a singular thing, the average mind can comprehend and relate to.
For example, Zeus was a symbol of the electromagnetic forces, given a form a simpleton can grasp and comprehend in the only way he could.
Thor was a symbol of electromagnetism and gravity.
A symbol can also communicate, through time/space.

The Christians carve crosses everywhere...but most Christians have no clue as to what it represents, other than on a superficial level.
The sacrifice of their corporeality, their reason, in order to be saved, from their own nature (primordial sin), and be deserving of eternity, even if they are simpletons and are born mortals, is intuitively understood - it is felt, and given the word "faith".


Symbols reduce/generalize, so that the lowest man can comprehend it on a superficial level, and surrender to its insinuated meaning.

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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:54 pm

How does the concept of worship differ between the pagan tradition and Christian tradition, i'm aware that one is connected to reality and the other isn't, more specifically why is there a concept of worshiping natural elements?
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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:00 pm

Paganism worships but does not surrender - it does not idolize.
Pagan gods were fallible, they could be tricked.
Man struggled along side them.

Natural forces are also ephemeral.
electromagnetism, for example, will split into magnetism and electric force.

The four forces of nature were once two.
Increasing entropy is this splintering....they will become eight, then sixteen...and so on.
Forces of nature are rules governing order, not randomness, not chaos.
The gods were anthropomorphic representations of natural order - of natural forces, laws.

Perhaps the Titans had a bit of the chaotic about them....the gods had to defeat.

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PostSubject: Re: Symbols Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:05 pm

Christians do not believe in anything of this world. they believe in its antithesis - its nullification.
Their noetic constructs contradict experience.
Their god is a singularity, an absolute, with no reference to anything outside the mind.

The noumenon is inverted, and cast as a covering over the phenomenal world we experience.
They believe in a more 'real' reality - a world to substitute this 'fake' one they must endure.

Pagan gods were more powerful than humans, but not omnipotent, not omniscient, not ONE.
Their gods were real, in that they could experience their god's energies within world.
They could witness their deities in nature, because they were representations of nature, not negations of it, like the one Abrahamic God.

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