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PostSubject: Etymology Thu May 25, 2017 9:08 pm

Fun facts about words and their origins.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Thu May 25, 2017 9:10 pm

Tie, what the French call cravate = from Croatian.
Croatian mercenaries that used to wear ties, as their distinguishing marker.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:40 am

Cosmopolitan, from the Greek Κοσμοπολίτης = a citizen of the cosmos.

Not only a citizen of the earth, and its inhabitants, and their cultures and civilizations, but of the entire cosmos.
Another way of saying - citizen, or member of a city within world/nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:28 pm

Meaning of Meaning
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Living in an age of Nihilism means we live in an age of institutionalized autism, of feminization, of idiot savants, and of literate illiterates, or educated ignoramuses.
Moderns know a lot, but understand little. They have a fluency based on two-hundred, or so, words, and of those with a bigger vocabulary few actually understand the words they are using. They know the dictionary definition, but they cannot connect the term to a real world phenomenon. Instead the symbols/words hover in a state of limbo awaiting some charlatan to connect them to their own abstractions.
As such the very meaning of the concept ‘nihilism’ has been converted to its antithesis: defining a world void of manmade concepts, such as ‘god’, ‘whole’, ‘one’, ‘morality’ taken as universal absolutes, in other words understood as a world lacking what the mind has constructed, abstracted and considers literally, rather than as representation. This world, lacking their fabrications they call ‘negative’.
Moderns not only live in the delusion inside their own had, but they refuse to exit them. They prefer the words to remain meaningless, because then concepts like ‘sex’ and ‘morality’ and ‘race’ can be dismissed as social constructs.
If this is how ‘nihilism’ has been used and abused, then what of the meaning of the word ‘meaning’ itself.
Moderns use the word but they do not really understand what it means.
All they know is the dictionary definition, and this is what they consider its meaning.
But what does meaning really mean, if we wish to connect the linguistic convention, facilitating communication, found in dictionaries, and connect it to a real world, real life, utility?
To begin let us sample the meaning of the term, in the Greek, bringing us back to a shared tradition which Anglo-Saxon English fails to fully connect with.
The equivalent of meaning, in Greek, would be {Νόημα}, comprised of two words: νοώ, or νους, and νήμα = thread.
Rooted in the word νέομαι = to turn, re-turn, as when you weave thread together.
Therefore, meaning means to turn, weave, in the mind, or to return, the thought to the world.
To place in mind and then return to world. To weave, in mind, the world.  
Meaning refers to the relationship of observed patterns (phenomena), as interested by a mind (noumenon). What we mean, by meaning, is our own understanding of how the different phenomena we experience relate to one another, as we’ve interested their relationships in our mind.
To say something is ‘meaningless’ is to accuse it of lacking all cohesive relationship.
These relationships may refer to external phenomena or may be entirely in our head, because in our head the relationships are more easily connected, whereas in reality they may refuse to abide by the observing mind’s will.
Now we add a new word: nonsense.
Nonsense refers to meaning that lacks all sensual references. It lack sensuality, it is non-sense.
When a meaning ‘makes sense’, it has an internal relationship corresponding to an external one. The esoteric abstractions is in harmony with an observable external relationship between phenomena, or patterns interacting.
It is possible for a nonsensical relationship to be constructed din the mind, and in fact most Moderns live within these constructs – they live in a nonsensical world of their own making that has no reference outside their own minds.
They may have given their constructs meaning, by abiding by a dictionary definition, but instead of referencing a world outside their brains, they have established noetic relationships inside their head, where the real world cannot contradict them.  
They live in a world full of meaning, but of no sense – a nonsensical world, or a world of meaningful nonsense.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:57 am

Philosopher {φιλοσοφος} - friend of wisdom.
Σοφος - Wise man
Σαφης - Clear.
Φαος/Φως - Light.
Φαινω - shine, reveal, speak, explain.
Υφαινω - weave.
Φαινωμενο - phenomenon. Apparent.

Friend of wisdom, of wise men, of the light - clarity.
Friend of clarity - casting light upon to reveal.
Weaver of light - the apparent.

Knowledge = data, information – recognition of patterns.
Understanding = appreciation of patterns in the patterns; perception of how patterns inter-relate – meaning.
Meaning = how patterns inter-relate/interconnect – weave.
Wisdom = appreciation of applicable understanding – pragmatism.
Discrimination of theoretical, idealism, from applicable, pragmatic, knowledge/understanding.
The perception of an orientation and a course to navigate through the patterns, towards an objective – finding the path through, and in, data.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:06 pm

ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑ = Energy
ΕΝ = In.
ΕΡΓΩ = Work - Creation, Construct.

Energy = In the midst of labour, creation, construction.
At work.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:09 pm

Chaos.
Χαος = χαινω, χασκω, χασμουριεμαι.
Gaping, open wound....yawning. The symbolism is shaped by the mouth leaving a gaping yawning void.
The oesophagus become the symbolic place of a beginning, where the 'h' sound is formed.

The physical mechanics point to the relationship of Hellenism to chaos.
The formless, lacking order.

We notice the starting {χ} 'h' sound, as an exhale, followed by a negating {α}, and then ending in an {ος}, which differs from {ον}, 'being', in that it replaces the 'n' sound, produced by contact of tongue with the upper palate, indicating finality, a superior, upper, position, with an 's' sound, exhaling air through clenched teeth, indicating a continuation, an open ended, drawn out, source of stress.
The 'h' begins the exhale that ends in the 's' - surprised exasperation, enclosing a negation to being.
Yawn expresses fatigue, or a need for oxygen, drawing in by opening the mouth wide. A need, absence, declining vital energies, oxygen as fuel of being.
The 'o' indicates a closure, a completeness, symbolized by its shortness. Not like the {ω, Ω} which are open-ended - long.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Popular and Famous don't mean the same thing.

A thing can be rare and famous, but not rare and popular.
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popular (adj.)
early 15c., "public," from Middle French populier (Modern French populaire) and directly from Latin popularis "belonging to the people, general, common; devoted to or accepted by the people; democratic," from populus "people" (see people (n.)).

Meaning "suited to ordinary people" is from 1570s in English; hence, of prices, "low, affordable to average persons" (1859). Meaning "well-liked, admired by the people" is attested from c. 1600. Of art, entertainment, etc., "favored by people generally" from 1819 (popular song). Related: Popularly. Popular Front "coalition of Communists, Socialists, and radicals" is from 1936, first in a French context.
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famous (adj.)
late 14c., "celebrated in public report, renowned, well-known" also "notorious, infamous," from Anglo-French famous, Old French fameus (Modern French fameux), from Latin famosus "much talked of, renowned," often "infamous, notorious, of ill repute," from fama (from PIE root *bha- (2) "to speak, tell, say"). A native word for this was Old English namcuð, literally "name-known." Catch phrase famous last words in the humorous sense "remark likely to prove fatally wrong" is attested from 1921 (early lists of them include "Let's see if it's loaded ... We'll get across before the train comes ... Which one is the third rail? ... Light up, it can't explode").
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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:03 am

Yes....Hitler is famous but among Moderns he is not popular.
The concept of 'acceptance' is part of popularity, and the politics of populism.
To be accepted one must offer something to the average, or he must exploit a secret that is shared by the majority, the lowest-common-denominator.
This is practiced by politics and by marketing.

Understanding language, know what the symbols/words mean, how they are formed, what they imply, makes you immune to the disease.
Connecting words/symbols to phenomena, when and if possible, makes you immune to the parasite using the disease to manipulate those who have failed to do so.

Etymology is a booster shot.
Differentiate words moderns use thoughtlessly, interchangeably....find the nuances that make them differ, necessitating them.
Bring your language down to earth and start rebuilding from there.

Latin and Greek will be helpful since English has been shaped by both.

The mechanics of shaping sounds, directed by letters, forming words, exposes the relationship the particular concept had for the particular tribe who invented the language, or inherited it and adapted it for its own needs.
Language exposes the relationship between the tribe and the environment it evolved within.
It exposes historical precedent, even when it indicates a taking from other tribes, like when the English adapted the Greek word for chaos, or how they adopted and slightly modified the Greek word for 'truth', or how they rejected two terms describing the relationship of eros/agape and only use 'love', impoverishing their understanding and confusing them.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:16 am

I saw it more as ownership, materially - one can own a popular car but not a famous painting. The problem arose, yes, with people who pretend both are the same with particular idea(l)s, like a religion or Hitler. In some way, acceptance/ownership could also mean how Stoics meant "assent": [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Though, that appears to be too exoteric for the function of "fame" and "popular", which is colloquially driven by sentiment. Popular myths are profane, famous legends do not seem so. One implies a knowledge of the particular tale being untrue and the other doesn't. Fame also appears to take on a connotation of uniformity in the subject: a famous team is simplified to its name. No 'approach' to its quality, or affectance on you, through social utility. It's easier to imagine "diversity" in the popular: something utilized by any or all.
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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 4:50 pm

I've been often putting different words under question in general chatrooms, to see if people understand what they mean when they use them.

To start we have the words 'subjective' and 'opinion'. While most are hesitant to admit to it, it seems clear many essentially use the two terms to mean the same things. I find most don't understand what they mean when they use them. I'll explain below how the words are commonly used.

1. The word 'opinion' is often used to be interchangeable with the word 'preference' and the phrase 'that is subjective' is often used to be interchangeable with the phrase 'that is your/his/etc. preference'.

2. The two words are also used to convey an understanding that is not based on adequate information, but is nonetheless presented as if it might be. For example, one might say, "candidate X is the best choice", and another will say, 'that's your opinion', or say, "that's subjective"; usually this is a subtle way to undermine the statement the other made. One might also say, 'I know this is subjective, but..' or, 'in my opinion.. candidate X is the best choice'. In all the above cases usually neither the speaker nor those listening entirely understand that what is being conveyed is a guess, educated or not.

3. The word 'opinion' is often used to be interchangeable with the word 'belief, whether the belief be accurate or not, accepted by others present or not. In this case, it seems the word 'opinion' is used instead of 'belief' because the word 'belief' might convey something with supposedly more depth, like a religious belief, when the reference is to more general facts. So one might say about another, 'he always gives his opinions', to refer to one who often states what he finds to be factual about various impersonal subjects.

3.1. The word 'subjective' is used similar to this but in specific contexts. If one is speaking about what is supposedly factual and what he says is, for example, almost word for word what is said in common encyclopedias, then many will take it for granted that the speaker has not bothered to think the issue through for himself, but read it in an encyclopedia or similar type of book and automatically believed it to be true through proxy. So if one says, "the Earth rotates the sun" another might respond, "that's a fact", but if one has gained much expertise in a craft that is not well documented and says, "to effectively create this, experience shows me you must approach it the following way..." another, who might even agree and appreciate the information given, might under some circumstances refer to it as subjective knowledge, simply for lack of being documented in what they consider official books.

3.1.1. The above usage of the word 'subjective' is better understood by the fact that the word is also is used to convey experience in a certain way. One says, 'all experiences are subjective' and so anything one knows because of experience is called 'subjective' by them.

Consider the truth of a statement to be based on the statement's accuracy, or how it reflects reality and can be communicated effectively in that regard. All beliefs one has are based on something; such as direct experience, contemplation or the words of others one respects. Concerning preferences, if one has a preference, and he or another states that preference, then that statement can be considered true or false, or of varying degrees of truth or accuracy. One might lie, he might claim he prefers something he doesn't. Then his stated preference is not true.
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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:02 pm

Concerning 3-3.1 I'll add that in some cases one does contrast one who states what he considers official facts with one with states things he might know very accurately, but that hasn't been document; calling the latter opinion. I forgot to add that because it's confusing how sometimes people speak of one giving an opinion as one stating facts he believes and other times speaks of one giving an opinion as one stating something that one doesn't consider to be an official fact.
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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:03 pm

Misuse, abuse of language is the primary symptom of nihilism, and nihilism is a subjective reaction to world.
The Modern has to make everything equally subjective so that his/her own subjectivity is not exposed as inferior, because it is all evaluated against an objective world, or a world used as object and an objective.

Preference says nothing.
Each preference is evaluated against a shared standard, and that is what moderns refuse to do.
They prefer words to be subjective, and besides a dictionary reference they should have no other restriction.

That's how you socially erase concepts from the minds of the masses.
When words no longer refer, or are permitted to refer, to anything outside the mind that limits its usage, and its meaning.
I call this process 'sanctification' or 'purification. the conversion of symbols/words into pure noetic references - their internalization.
Making them esoteric is converting them to subjective symbols.

Then the criteria shifts from the objective being world, to the objective being pleasure or hope, or love...all of which as subjective reactions.

Etymology helps to trace the meaning of a word, or a synthesis of words, back to their original roots.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:19 pm

I see the word subjective, as you use it above, might be best meant as series of thought in a person that hardly refers to reality. Partially the purpose of my post was to show how whatever the process is that leads to one making a statement, the statement is either true or not, or a degree of accuracy. Do you mean to say that when you say a person has made a subjective statement that the process that lead to his statement was a subjective process; based on a series of thought that hardly refers to reality? So in other words, you could also say one's statement was made subjectively or the person wasn't being objective when he made it? And if so, as one can occasionally be right despite his failings, or guess right, then while saying one's statement is subjective would generally mean it's less than highly accurate would it not actually be saying that directly?
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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:28 pm

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I see the word subjective, as you use it above, might be best meant as series of thought in a person that hardly refers to reality. Partially the purpose of my post was to show how whatever the process is that leads to one making a statement, the statement is either true or not, or a degree of accuracy. Do you mean to say that when you say a person has made a subjective statement that the process that lead to his statement was a subjective process; based on a series of thought that hardly refers to reality?
No, I'm saying all judgments, all thoughts are subjective but that does not make them equally valid because the judgment, the thought is evaluated in relation to what lies outside the mind.

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So in other words, you could also say one's statement was made subjectively or the person wasn't being objective when he made it?
There are no absolutes so everything is about degrees.
What do we mean when we say someone is strong?
Are we saying he is omnipotent?
No, we are saying he is strong in relation to a average weakness and in relation to the world, the environment.
We say someone is knowledgeable in relation to an average knowledge, and in relation to the world.

Therefore we are all subjective but our subjectivity is more or less objective in relation to an objective world.
Our judgments are evaluated in relation to how they apply, if they are applied and the consequences they produce....or how the judgments refers to the world we all share and experience.

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And if so, as one can occasionally be right despite his failings, or guess right, then while saying one's statement is subjective would generally mean it's less than highly accurate would it not actually be saying that directly?
No, it simply states the obvious that we all build judgment and hold them to be true.
We are all subjects, in relation to the object.
This does not imply parity of absolutes...either absolute truth or absolute error.

How we determine the degree of our subjective judgments accuracy, its quality, is in relation to world.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:30 pm

It's like power....we all have a degree of power.
But saying we all have power does not mean we all have equal power...nor does it mean we are either omniscient or totally powerless.

The same can be said about intelligence.....beauty.....and so on.

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PostSubject: Re: Etymology Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:11 pm

I think of it as a triangulaiton.
Body ---- Nervous System ---- Mind


Past ---- Present ---- Future

Precedent, Knowledge/Data/Nature/Objective ---- Judgment, Subjectivity, Nurture ---- Ideal, objective, goal,

So, the active, subjective judgment takes into account the past, if it wants to increases the probability of being accurate, and then projects into the unknown, the yet to be future its ideal consequences.

Why, you may ask, is the world, the objective placed in the past?
Simple.
We are living forward, in linear time, and perceiving, experiencing backwards, because there's a temporal lag between interaction and the processing it into experience.
We are always dealing with precedent, with the past....to a depth.
The deeper the data pool the more data we can incorporate or use to juxtapose our judgment with.

World, the past, nature, is immutable because ti cannot be changed. It is in past and is determining present but it cannot be altered.
God is a metaphor for this creating, determining past. It refers to natural order.
But there are no absolutes so chaos, defined as randomness is also present, and it is what determines the degree of our free-will.

In semiotics the word/symbol is also part of the triangulation because language is an expression of the nervous system.
Either how it reacts to the ongoing flux, or how it connects, relates to it.
This establishes the two forms of conceptualizing ...exoteric and esoteric.
one from the body outward, projecting....the other from the world inward, assimilating.

Both participate in the subjective judgment.

So judgment refers to this relationship of individual with past and in relation to his motives, his movement towards an objective, a goal.
Both the goal and the movement, the navigation towards it are decided by the interaction of individual with world.
Symbols words used to project how one feels, reacts to world, differ from those who refer to world directly.

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