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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:35 am

I think he is obsessed with ILP... what do you guys think? Hehe
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:39 am

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I think he is obsessed with ILP... what do you guys think? Hehe
I am indeed, and you are obsessed with one individual.

My interest in ILP have been explained, as has your obsession with Satyr.
Nothing more to say but watch it play-out, over and over again.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 9:41 am

Zara wrote:
I think he is obsessed with ILP... what do you guys think? Hehe

That you want The D.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:19 pm

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The Brazilian toff.

Blue-collarness is not an occupation, it's a mindset Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:19 pm

I'm sure.
One built on an occupation.

How Modern you are, white, white, collared, princess.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:40 pm

Built on a life.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:00 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Supra-Aryanist wrote:


The Brazilian toff.

Blue-collarness is not an occupation, it's a mindset Wink

Whatever,, milord and yours, atleast has a mind for some mind-set,,, you have no mind to begin with... So mind it!

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 4:11 pm

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I'm sure.
One built on an occupation.

You labourer!

Satyr is a mole.

Like a beauty-spot in this blue world... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:38 pm

*gags*
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:40 pm

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*gags*

Did you get abused?

Shouldn't you be discussing rape, dear?
You seem into it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 28, 2014 10:45 pm

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*gags*

I'm laughing hysterically.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:59 pm

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It's quartz-like.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:48 pm

I recently discovered video of the gang on ILP in one of their secret get-aways.


You will discern in the back the MENSA members, the playboy with 160 I.Q. the guy who explained everything, and up-front now, pushing the older "geniuses" to the back, the VO crowd, who, amongst other things, have cured cancer, and blown academia out of the water.
Nobel Prize immanent...mathematically proven.  

It's called valuing self.

Permit me to make it convincing...

One retard and another retard, multiplied by nine retards, make one brilliant combination.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:18 pm

LOL, what.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:43 am

Somebody defining Manimals but taken from his own model, projecting himself upon others yet denying that he is the label himself that he put onto others:

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But the women he attracts to his forum and they describing their relationships with a particular kind of men, who had been manipulating gullible women; might be interesting to go through a little bit.

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''1) Women usually don't openly flirt with a man unless they are encouraged to do so because women don't like rejection. Your P created the dynamic for them to feel comfortable showing admiration and giving attention.

2) Jealousy and fear are normal reactions that have a biological base. Due to our biological disposition, a woman will feel threatened when her man wanders, cheats, or is attracted to another woman because in the days when we were hunters and gathers this signaled a threat to our survival and existence. NO man = no food for the woman and children. It is a a woman's biological need for protection and safety that triggers these unsettling emotions.''



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''my P wears a uniform for work so when he isn't working his attire is very casual like t- shirts and jeans but for some reason nearly every thing the guy wears has some type of writing on it whether it be for a sports team or a musical group or comic book character kind of thing. If Ps don't really have any interests of their own I always wondered did he actually care about these things or were they just to draw attention or strike up conversation with others who are interested in those things? Just something I'm perplexed by''

''I noticed mine would only wear these types of t-shirts (logos or ?) when things were really calm, when he was happy. To me it seemed like when there was nothing else going on, no drama, no confusion, no anxiety that he had nothing to feed off and when he put on one of these t-shirts it gave him an identity because he was so empty inside.''

''If your P wore a uniform for 8 hrs a day and that was his identity, then he comes homes and takes off that identity, what are you left with? Nothing. It might explain the randomness of the t-shirts, the fact that he wore them all the time, and not really having anything to do with what's on them. He just had to be somebody. Just a thought.''

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''Well when I kicked mine out last year, he actually hung a noose in a tree in my backyard. I have all the texts on an old phone. He keeps going on and on "come on, you want to watch me do it"..."your gonna let me die in your tree"..."this is what I mean to you". All the way I'm texting, "please stop, the cops are on the way", "you need help, and once you get it will be fine", "please stop blaming me for your misfortunes"''
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:23 am

As always, the group, whether you call it nation, tribe, clan, cult, if governed by a pseudo-democratic ethos, and a spirituality of of uniforming unifying oneness, follows the same lowest-common-denominator rule.

In nature it manifests in herd behavior, which is then responded to with predator pack compensation.
But in nature there is no "we rise or fall as one" nihilism.
The weakest member of the herd is splintered off and killed....thusly keeping the herd healthier and the pack fed.
The lowest-common-denominator is sacrificed.
The herd does not slow down to accommodate it.

Now notice how moderns strive to raise the weakest and lower the strongest to achieve parity.
Understand it as a desire to avoid being that one stray.
The herd will move as one, with equal speed - "no child left behind" and so on.
It will become a SuperOrganism no predator, or pack, can take down.

The psychology of the past is satisfied by allowing a uniqueness (slight differentiation) within the shared premises of group dynamics (acknowledged similitude).

Like herds no single leader emerges, or tolerated for long.
One is the fastest, and takes the lead, and later it is replaced by another...and all reduce their potentials to accommodate the entirety.
Once integrated into the herd psychology some brave ones may emerge as defenders of its values, its unifying principles.

All distinctions are reflections of others within the group - "individuality" as an internal relationship of the uniforming multiplicity.
All individual traits only have meaning, value, within these shared premises - they are so by association, requiring acknowledgment.
Each member must be seen if what he is, or wishes to be, is to have value.

What divides, and is external to the herd paradigm, such as symmetry, strength, distinction that fragments the common identifier, is the evil, other - the predator, the virus, the illness in relation to their integrated health.
Outside of this herd environment all values become uncertain.
The individual grasps upon this herd for dear life.

They need not understand how or why....like fish swimming in large schools that confuse predators. The individual fish need not comprehend the reasons why it is preserved...the behavior is reinforced by preserving the ones that exhibit the particular behavior.
It later, may, develop a mysticism to explain it without shaming or insulting any single participant - making the innate, by now, behavior a unifying, virtue, that maintains the schooling principles intact.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:42 am

Words triggering emotions, always come up when dealing with Nihilists, of the modern ilk:
"love", is always one.
Another is..."truth".

Not truth as in opinion, perspective, that is more or less objective, or superior/inferior, but "truth" as in absolute...as in 1/0.
The patronizing conclusion follows...as in offering salvation which is rejected, and then "the hell with them" literally...."hell".
Reality now the "hell" their absolutions save them and anyone who will follow the "truth", will submit to their "love".
Biblical metaphors, all around.
Abrahamic methodologies....from Judaism all the way to secular humanism.....from Biblical word-code, as in God=word, taken literally, to the mathematical binary code replacing good/evil with 1/0, positive/negative, again literally taken.

Condemnation to "hell" is the exclusion of what disrupts the internal harmony of the dream-scapes...the Matrix cells.
What is cast out, to "hell" is reality itself: fluidity, flux.
What does not assimilated into the code is exorcized.

The "hell" reinforces the "paradise/utopia" being built within the paradigm the code constructs - its self-referential truth, its harmonizing, assimilating love.

The uncertainty of the Flux, of increasing randomness, is excluded from the internalized certitude, the absolutes being built and supported noetically.
within its codified walls all is healed, corrected, logical, explained, predictable...it has an underlying universal purpose, reason(ing).
The "mind of god" no longer word, because these always imply subjectivity, but numbers, where objectivity can be associated with abstraction, circumventing the obvious emotional components.

First came the number, no longer the word.
Things have progresses, new language has been discovered.
Science merging with spiritual nihilism.
And like the "word of god" it can be read metaphorically, ro literally...or either/or, as the situation demands.

Creationism has morphed.
Pascal's wager still applies.
"You will regret it" it warns.
The "day of reckoning is upon us".

Schopenhauer's...
Schopenhauer, Arthur wrote:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
...adopted for religious purposes; supporting Nihilistic ends.

Ridicule, as with Christians, is only a testing of their faith, their commitment to the all-saving, all-encompassing, code.
They await the coming of the "self-evident" phase, when salvation will come.
But who is "violently opposing" this reincarnation of Judeo-Christian nihilism, when ti so beautifully proves the connection with modern secular humanism?
What's in a name, or a number?
Call it 1 or some multiple of it, or a 0, it remains a reference to the same Parmenidian absolute...a reference to a noetic abstraction with no reference outside of the mind.

They are holding vigil, their faith holding strong, as they spread the "word" the numerical beauty of noetic symmetry...the internal logic of a brain evolved to harvest and to construct it.
They endure the scorn, as those early Christians did in the catacombs....secretly spreading the gospel.
That which will save mankind has been entrusted to their "genius", and they must preserve it until the time comes when they will be vindicated.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:08 pm

Varda is surprised gendy isn't banned....and neither is she.
HA!!!

She thinks of herself as a gendy-type....I did smell the imitation.

What did The Marquis say about her?

Checkout sciforums where our phonee, once more, tries to "out" Lyssa, hoping she'll go away...knowing that with her around, just as when gendy was there, she disappears.

Ha!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:34 pm

I have a bit of history with the moderatorship over there, as you know. Lots of temp bans, but still have my original handle somehow.

And no I do not consider myself a gendy type. You know my posting there has always been very different from my posting here, and from here to ilp as well. I cater to the audience Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:19 pm

And yet, a common thread everywhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:23 pm

Sad thing about The Marquis.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:29 pm

I hear they've cured cancer on ILP, and discovered the fabric of reality....too bad they have yet to discover the mathematical algorithm for retardation.
It would be a case of self-valueing.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:07 am

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It's inhuman how "brilliant" this mind is.
No, it is not brilliant itself...it is a reflection of the divine, brilliance of one.
A mere representation of the universal mind.

How so many geniuses can fit into one Forum is miraculous.
Who shall stand-out in the uniformity?
Who shall be the hive mind's cerebral cortex, the frontal lobes, the Will, directing them all towards final salvation?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:17 am

Satyr wrote:
Sad thing about The Marquis.

I miss The Marquis when he was in his good stages. Made me see things a little differently when I first landed at Sciforums.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:05 am

Is he still a drunk?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:16 pm

Jesus, fuckin', Christ...have I not been saying [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for about a decade?
No, when he says it it's uniquely brilliant....

Is he regurgitating Satyr or...no wait....same ol' Nietzsche...his male mate?

No...he says "lingerie", and not "mask"...so he's scot free. Like a push-up bra is not a mask....because it exposes, pushes into (re)cognition the breasts, by pushing them forth, rather than hiding them.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:30 pm

Jesus Christ...Satyr....What the fuck else is there to learn from these degenerates? I mean, if they are really as simple as you claim, then you should have been done with your homework years ago....

Seems more like some petty cover story for an even more petty obsession...
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Dec 25, 2014 8:58 pm

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Manipulation is the intellectual form of physical bullying (Yes some manipulation is more benign) -

By bullying I assume you mean an effective expression of strength, in which case manipulation is only one way to intellectually bully.

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and in fact often results in physical force being brought into play when a manipulated person gets angry and wants some form of retribution. The manipulator, in this hypothetical example, then has to either undo what was done, or use physical means to back down the target of the manipulation.

Unless they're in a place with laws against violence, in which case your scenario, while certainly not unheard of, is not the norm.

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I would submit a rational person wants to exist in a social environment with honest people, who are sufficient critical thinkers - which would eliminate the sheep and the wolves.

I believe we have a different view on which people are rational, but we probably would both agree that rational people are people with a reasonably high intellect who can think with a clear head unclouded by emotions. So with that definition as a start, we may ask how is it that people become rational?

The person must have had the stress to become rational. Meaning that rather than reality allowing him to live in a comfortable fantasy world where most mistakes he makes can be corrected, he at least to a certain extent had to face it with a clear head so as to make effective decisions to survive.

Another situation which requires stress is the evolution of intellect to begin with. Man developed his intellect to deal with a difficult environment.

We now have established rationality as a product of stress in both one's ancestors' lives and one's own.

Wolves are more rational animals than most prey, which enables them to effectively hunt even quick undomesticated animals such as deer. Firstly a wolf surrounded by sheep, would likely take the easier prey, not nessesarily wishing for more difficult prey, and therefore he'd no longer need to use his intellect or other wolves to hunt.

So it's true, he would avoid most other wolves if he could. But not entirely, especially when it came to mating, in which case he would not want to mate with a slow dog-like wolf unable to hunt faster prey than sheep, because he wouldn't want his children to become reliant on sheep, should the day come when they would need to hunt faster prey.

So no, the rare, modern, but rational man - a wolf among sheep - doesn't wish to eliminate sheep nor other wolves.

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People love being lied to, and hate the truth. The only reason they get out of joint when they find out they've been lied to is because the lie has ceased to function. And they'll be no more angry than they would have been if you'd told the unpalatable truth from the start. I know, because I've tried it both ways.

They're happy as long as you keep the con. They want to be deceived. They want to believe the lie.

And if they can manage to go into denial, they won't even get angry when the lie is exposed. They'll reject the exposure to hold on to belief in what they know is a lie.

So if I wanted to be on your good side I would tell you that you were once endowed with some specially gift of nobility and honesty that was out of place in modern society, rather than telling you that you were a dull sheep tricked into believing there was a social karma that went beyond the real pragmatc effects of known reputation. And unlike most sheep you bothered to try to put the deception fully into practice, and therebye seeing it's impossibility quickly fell into another deception used to keep cattle under control, that of incapacitating hatred for yourself and others.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:07 am

Addressing compartmentalization.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:40 am

A culture nurtures/represses natural human drives... it sublimates them, but it does not create them.

This is true of all types of manipulation, or training, or whatever you want to call it when behavior is directed.
For example, marketing does not create need in the individual, it directs it or manipulates an already existing need, connecting a product, a symbol, a color a fashion style, with this need.
A con-artist, or a hypnotist, does not magically alter the others thinking, he exploits what is already present in the other - the individual wants to be convinced, to be hypnotized, and this "artist" establishes trust, or makes the other comfortable enough to allow what is there to come forth.

Therefore, gender is not a construct out of nowhere and nothing.
It is a sexual proclivity, nurtured over centuries of natural selection (evolution), resulting in a specialized behavior, and in physical/mental attributes that facilitate this role.
Culture simply connects these predispositions with symbols: words, clothing, forms, colors, styles, rituals, and so on.

In short...what meme is to gene, noumenon to phenomenon, gender is to sexual roles.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:12 am

We have now discovered another truth, using mathematics....
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Nicely done. Did you also notice there are 26 letters in the alphabet?

Presumably God is an English speaker, or French.
Shocked
Mind-blowing, indeed.
I would have thought he spoke Hebrew or Greek, but no the numbers show that he is, in fact, an anglophone.
Greek alphabet has 24 letters.
Not holy enough.
But I'm sure some combination will be found to explain why there are 24, and not 25.

Don't know how many scribbles the Hebrew alphabets has.

Ah, the young....to be forever 26.
God the youthful 26 year-old prankster.

We have mathematical evidence that the universe is built on an Anglo-Saxon/Norman mindset.
This is comforting because now I know that my prayers, although never answered, were, at least, understood by the almighty.
He was ignoring me.

Though, I do have my doubts - forgive me Lord - and He may very well only speak and think in morse code....beep, beeeep, beep, beep, beep beeep....

I bet they can find all kinds of juicy patterns in this sequence...
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Wait, God, the Universe, is sending me a message...
Yes Lord, I'm open to your incoming divine words...speak to me....

F....U....C....K....Y....O....U
What can it mean?
I must break it down mathematically, using my Lord's alphabet...

F = 6
U = 21....2+1=3
C = 3
K = 11...1+1=2

The pause is the place-holding 0.
God's deep breathe.
We'll skip that...

Y = 25...2+5=7
O = 15...1+5=6
U = 21...2+1=3

We always add because we must remain positive thinkers.

So...6+3+3+2+7+6+3 =...wait let me get my calculator, working on the binary system...

30!!!
3+0=3

Wait let me try a different way...
6+21+3+11+25+15+21= 102
1+0+2=3 AGAIN!!!

His message is 30, which is really 3.
The male sex organs are three...2 testicles, corresponding to the mother and the holy ghost, and the penis, the shaft, which is, obviously the Almighty one.
Isn't it clear?
He is giving me the shaft, and his balls are clapping with positive joy, slapping, against my cheeks...which, not coincidentally, are also two.
He is raping me...or making Love to me...fertilizing me.

Wait...wait....there must be more to this...
If I take the three and invert it, positive/negative, we get the three-epsilon, inscribed in Delphi....if we connect the symbols we get an 8
8 is the symbol of infinity...

The 8th letter in the Greek alphabet is theta...in the English one it is H.
H is the symbol of Pisces, and theta is written in Greek as θ which is 8...and is the first letter in the word theos...God
This is getting freaky.

All Pisces are gods...Satyr was born in February and is a Pisces...he is divine.
Can it be more obvious?

Okay, let's take this all the way to where it is taking us...to the END, as it were.

My anus is almost a perfect sphere, my human imperfections notwithstanding.
A sphere is a 0.
My crack is lime a diving line ascross this circle.
It is Pi....Pi = 3.14...
3.1+4

3 morse code (dot) 5

3+5= 8!!!!
My crack is the infinite divide of an infinite divine sphere.
This is freaking me out. I am a genius!!!



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We have now discovered another truth, using mathematics....
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...presumably God is an English speaker, or French.

Mind-blowing, indeed.
I would have thought he spoke Hebrew or Greek, but no the numbers show that he is, in fact, an anglophone.
Greek alphabet has 24 letters.
Don't know how many scribbles the Hebrew alphabets has.

We have mathematical evidence that the universe is built on an Anglo-Saxon/Norman mindset.
This is comforting because now I know that my prayers, although never answered, were, at least, understood by the almighty.

Though, I do have my doubts - forgive me Lord, and He may only talk in morse code....beep, beeeep, beep, beep, beep beeep....



You cannot feel shameless about it, when you have authority figures to back it up. Jung commissioned a Marie von Franz to make J.-Xt. more marketable to those suffering from indigestion with its other-worldy crudities. You could no longer sell it the way it was after enlightenment. It had to be revised - scientifi-ed, so people can feel good about never admitting what depraved hedonists they are.
They can swallow "In the Beginning was the Word" with an "intellectual conscience" now.
Christ is a 'principle', not a person, and it becomes scientific and respectable.

The Nazi fringe had a "White Christianity" thing going - Jesus as gentile version and they had the gnostic [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Marie von Franz is like the scientific, respectable version of Blavatsky.

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"A third field of interest and research was about synchronicity, psyche and matter, and numbers. It seems to have been triggered by Jung, whose research had lead him to the hypothesis about the unity of the psychic and material worlds, i.e., that they are one and the same, just different manifestations. He also believed that this concept of the unus mundus could be investigated by means of researching archetypes. Due to his advanced age, he turned the problem over to von Franz. Two of her books, Number and Time and Psyche and Matter deal with this research. In 1968, von Franz was the first to argue that the mathematical structure of DNA is analogous to that of the I Ching. She cited the I Ching in an essay, Symbols of the Unus Mundus, published in her book Psyche and Matter.

How collective unconscious compensates the one-sidedness of Christianity – this was a basic concern throughout many of her works, not only about fairytales and alchemy, which often compensate or complete the ruling god image of Christianity: In an analysis of the visions of Saint Perpetua, a martyr she writes, that those visions enable us to gain a deep insight into the unconscious spiritual situation of the time. They show the deep conflict of that time, the transition from Paganism to Christianity. “The martyrs appear in many respect as the tragic, unconscious victims of the transformation which was then being fulfilled deep down in the collective stratum of the human soul: the transformation of the image of God“."

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Most of it is Plato and Pythagoras rehashed with J.-Xt.
Egyptian Hieroglyphics were the impetus behind Hebraic mysticism. Persecution played a large part in "hiding the name of the God - YHVH" through numbers and number-relations.
Later this became literalized as the Kabala.

I'm yet to read this:
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Mathematical patterns tend to yield harmony and structure and deep meanings. They shed light on the web of relations. But its something else, like a weakling's dishonesty, to claim that as reality in itself.
In Pythagorean times, and even to Indo-Germanic people, the "cosmos" was Not reality, but the ordered universe and so Pythagoras could reasonable say the "cosmos" has a metre and a musical harmony.
The Indo-Germanics could say chanting and metres "held" the universe.  Sacred vs. Profane was a dimension and a guarded border.

But these biblical slaves merge the poetic cosmos as reality itself.
Whatever.


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:10 pm

A case of ordering, static noumenon, and the fluctuating producing disordering, phenomenon.
Of course it has a logic...it is based on an organic process.
Ordering is this self-referential logic....based on the on/off, binary 1/0 neuro-processing method.
It reflects the living organism's self-organizing, within a entropic reality.
Man projects his own functions outwards, and see them reflected back.

Such an organism can only make sense of patterns reflecting what is most intimate to it: its own on/off neurological method.
Beginning as a good/no-good discrimination.
Multiplicity reduced to some-thing/no-thing... where THING is the Lord, God, the UNI-verse....the complete verse.
Once reduced to that all the incomprehensible things are excuses as infinity, evil, the paradox, the complex, and for the Alexandrian minded secular humanist version of the Judeo-Christian nihilistic psychology, the "yet to be known" and/or the "yet to be deciphered, suing the universal code".

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:24 pm

Spinoza's immanence theory posits God as one substance with Thought and Extension as its feature.

Jung carries forward Spinoza's phil. saying psyche and matter are a primordial unity that explains synchronicities.

Intelligent design logically becomes the next derivative.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:40 pm

Immanence/Transcendence the inside/outside merging into oneness.
The book-covers of nihilistic holy scripture.

The first begins with the 1, and multiplies it. The idea merges internally.
The noumenon, the abstraction, the word/number as the starting self-evident proposition.
the other begins with the nil, and then posits a one outside of it.
The noumenon is outside the phenomenon.
It creates the phenomenon - it thinks it into existence.

The common ground is the abstraction, the noumenon. The all-unifying, all-inclusive, simplifying/generalizing thought.

Descartes begins with the "I"...which thinks.
Very Christian.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:51 pm

Spinoza's underlying psychology is hedonist.

1. The aversion to change. All "becomings" are only "modifications" of the "same"; this way "Being" is preserved.

2. A history of persecution coupled with a weary will like all hedonists are, feel a need to believe in "goodness" - i.e. to say, justice, order, humanity, "Being", god, whatever name.

The Cartesian split is most evident in these hedonists for whom "Objectivity" means - the subtraction of the physical, the body,, and the mind alone enjoying... they call this fracture - "aesthetics of higher taste".

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"All that exists is just and unjust and equally justified in both." [Aeschylus, Prometheus]

"The history of everyday is constituted by our habits. ... How have you lived today?" [N.]

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:55 pm

And so pleasure is the most primal experience with the Divine - connecting with God.
When we orgasm we cry "Oh God!"
A moment where need vanishes and consciousnesses under the effect of the endorphin rush has yet to become conscious of a new source of need.
In that moment the sensation of infinite gratification - paradise.
A mind with no purpose.
A mind liberated from the brain - pure noumenon.

The mind freed from its evolutionary purpose of dealing with the organism's needs.
A mind coming, as if, from nowhere, from nothing....no brain to upkeep.
Sensation with no motive.
Mind inebriated by this liberation, yet to be bored, as the satisfaction is ongoing.
It is taken over by it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:26 pm

That should be a factor to explain Jewish IQ.

Pure-mind idealism has these jewish-in-mindset people waiting for the one with a mental connection, producing the next gen. with intellectual inclinations, and "impartial" objectivists, scholars, logicians...
Such idealism gives these at-bottom-hedonists their charm of self-worth.

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And so pleasure is the most primal experience with the Divine - connecting with God.
When we orgasm we cry "Oh God!"
A moment where need vanishes and consciousnesses under the effect of the endorphin rush has yet to become conscious of a new source of need.
In that moment the sensation of infinite gratification - paradise.
A mind with no purpose.
A mind liberated from the brain - pure noumenon.

The mind freed from its evolutionary purpose of dealing with the organism's needs.
A mind coming, as if, from nowhere, from nothing....no brain to upkeep.
Sensation with no motive.
Mind inebriated by this liberation, yet to be bored, as the satisfaction is ongoing.
It is taken over by it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:39 pm

A schism, dear...did you not understand?
A detachment.
Like when a mind is numbed by alcohol or any drug.
Detachment from reality...from the stressful, Flux.
An ephemeral moment of sublime disconnection, unconscious/consciousness.
A hovering in faint.
A form of narcissistic self-involvement - solipsism.
Same thing, that makes the idiot on ILP associate numbers, if not words, with the universal code.

When noumenon detaches from phenomenon, then one can imagine it hiding underneath all that inconvenient reality.

I attach the aesthetic to the real...you want to disconnect it, purify it, make it pure thought, pure experience, pleasure with no connection to motive, to process, to purpose.

Do you see, now, why you belong there, and not here?
They are your own...only they use different symbols. You want to stop at the neurological experience of satisfaction...they want to stop at the pure thought, the noumenon, what the brain does with the neurological stimuli, where you stop.
They go a step further.

Keep winking, in that cutesy girly way of yours.... 
I would say "you'll get there" but after so long I do not think you have the mind to realize how need, produces taste, which leads to pleasure.
I think you are stuck in the pleasure creates taste, like other idiots think value precedes judgment...or love proceeds life....
It's the inverted paradigm of Modern Nihilism.

You saying "it is innate, spontaneous" is equivalent to them saying it is "immanent".
You using the word aesthetic, is like them using the word value.
They detach value from judgment, you detach sensuality from need... detaching the noumenon, the sensation, the abstraction, from the experience of the phenomenon which stimulates this process of abstracting, sensing.
Both of you begin with the abstraction, the neurological event...and refuse to consider what stimulates it, what makes it necessary.
They begin with "everything is valuable", as Christians begin by stating that "everything is love"...and you begin with "everything is pleasing."


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That should be a factor to explain Jewish IQ.

Pure-mind idealism has these jewish-in-mindset people waiting for the one with a mental connection, producing the next gen. with intellectual inclinations, and "impartial" objectivists, scholars, logicians...
Such idealism gives these at-bottom-hedonists their charm of self-worth.

But data-metric intelligence alone is not a marker for wholesome health.


When the Newtonian system faces Quantum physics the Modern assumes that there must be a unifying harmonious connection.
Not that Newtonian physics, based on this middle-world, perceptual-event-horizon, limit, based on sensuality is contradicted, annulled, when these senses are deepened, using technologies, to where the earlier abstractions no longer hold true, because their generalities/simplifications no longer apply.
Newtonian physics is useful....evidence being that man survived this long using them, even before he had formulated them into concepts and laws, and codified them using letters and numbers.

They do not question their own physics, they assume that there is a unifying M-Theory that will unite them back into their desire ONE.
The trick is, and this is where creativity comes in, to find a logically consistent, self-referential, code that bridges or unites Newtonian and quantum physics.
Either that on abandon one or the other.

Now human abstracting ability is facing a universe in Flux, and it is being contradicted.
Will they realize that all their theories are symbolic, metaphorical?

Not if they are Modern.

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