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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 20, 2014 4:10 am

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This VO is a chicken-soup for the modern invertebrate spineless masses. A way to justify the belief that no matter how you compare you MUST value self.

They want to get rid of shame but what they don't understand is that the only way to get rid of shame is to feel shame (i.e. to deal with it, which is to say, not to get rid of it.) All this "self-valuing" business is simply a repackaging of modern self-help/New Age psychology. Sad people need to "think positively", fat people need to "exercise", people who don't get laid need to "go out and get laid" and people who are ashamed of themselves need to "value themselves". They all have one thing in common and that is that they all ignore the simple fact that any change, for any individual, must be gradual and must follow specific set of steps that suits the psychological and biological make-up of those who want to change. This means that in reality some people will never reach their goal (since life is finite, right) and that is one of the reasons they want to make this process as short as possible, or rather, to convince themselves they can speed it up (for what happens when they try to speed it up is that they slow it down.) In short, they want miracles.

So a man who hates himself wants to love himself, but since he has no time nor intelligence to address all of his psychological issues one by one, which in itself would already be a kind of love for oneself (see Nietzsche for example), he's forced to look for "another solution", which really only means to "convince himself that there's a solution". He finds it and applies it: he starts "loving" himself. But all he's doing is deceiving himself: what he likes is not himself but an image of himself that he has created using a sophisticated process of self-deception (say by posturing and "collecting" compliments from his environment or by tricking others into thinking he is what he would like to be and then using their approval as a proof that he really is what he says he is -- the list of tricks is practically infinite, someone should sit down and write a book on the most popular ones.) The most annoying thing about the drug-addicts is that they look down upon people like Nietzsche for "hating himself" simply because he's not willing to take their drugs -- they are utterly convinced that taking drugs requires intelligence (rather than the other way around, that resisting drugs requires intelligence.) They confuse appearance of self-love with genuine self-love, like what Mr. Reasonable retard did in the exchange with Lyssa. They don't understand that genuine self-hate is better than apparent self-love, since the former leads to self-love (and that it is already a kind of self-love) whereas the latter leads to a deeper self-hate (or death.)

Let's take a look at the recent exchange between Lyssa and Mr. Reasonable.

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And those, like you and others, who cannot love themselves, need to resort to compensations like money.


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The part about me not loving myself....that just doesn't make any sense. If you're gonna attack the person, at least know what the hell you're talking about. You can read my posts for days and days and I think you'll see plainly that I love myself more than most people do.

No indication that he's acknowledging that there is such a thing as apparent (i.e. fake, deluded) self-love and genuine (i.e. real) self-love. Moreover, he takes it for granted that if someone appears to love himself, that means he really loves himself. Apparently, he does not believe that such a thing exists. Schizophrenia exists but "mild" insanities such as these do not. He must believe so, otherwise, he will have to question himself.

There are two kinds of self-deceptions depending on what one denies: one can either deny the real (what one is) or the ideal (what one should be.) The above belongs to the first category. When one obsesses over convincing oneself that the ideal has already been achieved or that he's close to achieving it, when in reality he's not even moving towards it but away from it, we say he's denying the real. A man obsesses over becoming something better to such an extent that he ends up denying/forgetting himself (and harming himself in one way or another, like anorexics and SI people do.) When one is content with oneself and wants to get rid of every responsibility, when one no longer has any ideals, we say that he's denying the ideal (which is a sort of denial of the real, since the ideal belongs to the real.) In both cases one is trying to make the distance between the real and the ideal as short as possible, the only thing that differs is the way they do it. The first type does it by falsifying the real while retaining the ideal (one is thereby a narcissists of a sort) whereas the second does it by falsifying the ideal while retaining the real (one becomes "honest" with oneself, one becomes "realistic" and "humble", one no longer expects anything, one no longer has any goals, one completely surrenders to one's instincts, etc.) The tension between the real and the ideal is in both cases what's at the core of the problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:48 am

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A man obsesses over becoming something better to such an extent that he ends up denying/forgetting himself.

So if one hates oneself so much that he can't wait for slow improvement, he may end up falsely believing that he's already made the ideal improvement and therefore will lose track of the real, forgetting himself.

Altogether, your above post makes sense. I have an observation based on how it relates to previous posts of yours.

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You can see the aforementioned betrayal at work when that Laughing Moron retard decides to go to work despite his body screaming into his face that it does not want him to go to work. By ignoring these signals Laughing Moron ends up forgetting himself -- he ends up losing control over his life.

...

he's a coward incapable of taking the tiniest risk by quitting the goddamn job so that he can better understand what his body is trying to tell him and use that knowledge to find a job that converges with his long-term goals (if he can find a job -- there is no guarantee he will find one.)

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You may recall that I brought that quote to your attention last month. What I had in mind was the contradiction of saying quitting would be a small risk, when obviously it wouldn't be; a fact which you help establish later in the parentheses.

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All this "self-valuing" business is simply a repackaging of modern self-help/New Age psychology. Sad people need to "think positively", fat people need to "exercise", people who don't get laid need to "go out and get laid" and people who are ashamed of themselves need to "value themselves".

...

This means that in reality some people will never reach their goal (since life is finite, right) and that is one of the reasons they want to make this process as short as possible, or rather, to convince themselves they can speed it up (for what happens when they try to speed it up is that they slow it down.) In short, they want miracles.

When advising those who don't like their job, the self-help frauds first instinct is to tell them to quit.

Basically, you understand that psychological miracles are unreal, you don't have the same disbelief in physical miracles.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:01 am

Sad truths...


--> Not all who are born will remain alive, using their own talents and strengths.
Nature produces experimentally, selecting naturally.
No "justice".
Trial and error.
Genetic combinations that mostly fail.
Preserving them, to deal with some internal insecurity, or as a way of ensuring that our own failings will be excused, produces a nice feeling, in the short-term, as if you've beaten the world and you are cared for by some otherness (god, humanity, whatever), but it also has very serious repercussions, in the long run.
Those you preserve, in this way, grow in numbers and in dependence. Having not earned their survival, not proven their VALUE, in relation to a fluctuating, indifferent, world, they become addicted, obsessed, with external power.
In time, nihilistic (anti-nature, anti-self, anti-world) ideologies flourish amongst them; a cocooning, self-indulgent, system of slaves, develops, where all is inverted.
They will go to great lengths, each supporting the other until quantities overwhelm all rational discourse, to preserve this inverted, delusional, un-empirical perspective.
The word precedes the emergence of life, is the same as saying value precedes judgment.

In the Platonic psyche sense, it is a charioteer (reason), pulled by two horses (passions), where the reigns (will) disappear behind him, flapping in the void; where he imagines some invisible hand (God, reason, word, will, value, one) holding unto them.


--> Increasing chaos, entropy, means increasing randomness. In the binary logic man is forced to think within, it is a decrease of order, patterns.
To put it another way as order decreases, probabilities decrease, and possibilities increase, one inversely proportional to the other.
This means that as possibilities increase, towards the infinite, the absolute, the patterns, limiting possibilities - which is what we call ordering, becoming - diminish.

The modern, in order to escape the determining ordering of the past, considers chaos a freedom, not realizing that he is really hoping for an end to the requirements of his own emergence.
This is what I've called "positive nihilism"...because it proposes the annihilation of life, but offers a positive rewards for it...some beyond time/space or beyond as in future.
Because the "beyond" is not present, it can be imagined in any way, and if this imagination detaches from sampling the past, from being guided by the past/nature, and precedent, then it can be imagined in the most fantastic ways possible.
The future, towards infinite possibility meaning that anything and everything is possible, since nothnig is more probable, limiting what is possible.

This is a liberation from the cruelty of nature, where many are born and only a fraction flourish.


--> When you've inherited nothing of value, or when you've been trained to detach from your own heritage, your past/nature, from where you can draw inspiration, and strength from, then you seek guidance, inspiration, power from anywhere....from any other.
This makes you more vulnerable to the manipulation of others, since self is a manifestation of past/nature, and seeking strength from there is looking inward, not outward.
in the past, when social unities were more genetically homogeneous, and the shared meme reflected this, a child growing up, being guided by another was like being guided by this shared heritage.
Today, when heterogeneous genes are forcefully integrated into uniformity, suing the lowest-common-denominator (animalism, hedonism, materialism fear being seduced by the easiness of nihilistic escape and inversions), the child being inspired, guided, by another entails a disconnection from self.
This creates a schizophrenia, where the past/nature, still manifesting as a presence, is contradicted by an artificiality, a projection towards the beyond, demanding a detachment from this past/nature to make the transition easier.
This creates internal rifts, compartmentalization, a convoluted psyche which believes in things it cannot justify, or defend....saying one thing and acting in opposition to it.
This, in turn, necessitates hypocrisy, particularly self-deceit.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:21 pm

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So if one hates oneself so much that he can't wait for slow improvement, he may end up falsely believing that he's already made the ideal improvement and therefore will lose track of the real, forgetting himself.

Yes. But I wouldn't phrase it like that. One does not choose to hate oneself, and inability to slowly improve is not a consequence of hating oneself. One hates oneself if:

1. one is full of psychological (and physiological) contradictions
2. one lacks necessary capacity to resolve one's contradictions (no matter how slow this resolution is)

Nietzsche was full of contradictions but he was capable of dealing with them which is why it's wrong to say that he hated himself. On the other hand, most people aren't, which is why they are forced into denial/delusion of some sort, which can take many forms, from simple psychological defense mechanisms over theoretical delusions to placebos and pharmacological intoxication. This is a war of one against many, of an individual against generations of individuals, of nurture versus nature. One is "too complex", which is to say, one is rich but one's richness is imbalanced, thereby forcing them to dream of trimming themselves into something simpler, something less problematic, of going back to being an animal, only there is this problem that they are not rich enough to make a regress-qua-progress (i.e. short-term regress, long-term progress) but only regress-qua-regress (i.e. short-term regress, long-term regress) i.e. they never become an animal, they only end up imitating animals. There are two ways they do this "trimming": by turning against size (e.g. Epicurean hedonists) and by turning against order (e.g. self-indulgent hedonists.)

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You may recall that I brought that quote to your attention last month. What I had in mind was the contradiction of saying quitting would be a small risk, when obviously it wouldn't be; a fact which you help establish later in the parentheses.

I didn't say that quitting is a small risk, but that it is a small risk compared to other actions one can take. I said this because he thinks he is courageous.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:42 pm

Just to make it clear.

When I say that those who hate their job should quit their job, I am not:

1. promising them they will get a better job
2. saying they should adopt an anti-job attitude
3. saying they should not try to adapt to their job

I am simply saying they need time for themselves. Whether they will try to adapt to their current job or seek another or die jobless is simply not something I can answer since it depends on personal factors I have no access to.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 4:27 am

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There are two ways they do this "trimming": by turning against size (e.g. Epicurean hedonists) and by turning against order (e.g. self-indulgent hedonists.)

Do those two forms of trimming respectively correspond to masculine/negative and feminine/positive nihilism?

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I am simply saying they need time for themselves.

Ok.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:57 am

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As we can see thoughout this board and KTS, VO is already an action, a self perpetuating action that now captures the minds of increasing numbers. Some it captures in understanding, others in a kind of negative idolatry, in any case it is acting upon these minds, I am acting upon them, shaping them.

In 2006 Ive acomplished a pivot in societal ethics through mass media, but quickly found out that actions there do not have lasting recognizable consequences. Clearly defined efforts lead to alienating results. I withdrew, focused on music and then got drawn back into philosophy. Philosophy and science are the only 'acting solids'.

One must stand back in awe at the spectacle of human depravity.

Do you see him coming here?

We need an emoticon with a hand to face movement.

Luckily we have ILP to gather all the crazies in one spot...for observational purposes.
What's the count on ILP geniuses now?
shit-Stain, the numerological trio, the Saint of everything, the MENSA group that has scattered...who else?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:14 pm

This is why ILP is my perti dish of psychopathy.
A variety of modernistic, nihilistic, slush, combining into sociologically fascinating forms.

The sheer audacity of declaring yourself a genius, or to make statements like the one above, is fascinating.
It's one thing to think it, and another to have the balls to put it down in writing and then publicize it...with nothnig to back ti up but more words.
At this point mentioning someone constitutes a validation of his illness.

You can say:
"Look at this idiot" and he's hearing "I matter, I am noticed, I am important".
Astounding.    

The liar who tells the other what a good liar he is, has already discounted himself from the running.
The moment anyone declares himself a genius, or makes statements like the above, he's already told us that he's the reverse.
He need not say anything more.

All I can say is ...WOW!!

I can use ILP, and no other forum to write a thesis on human psychological depravity.
That place is a goldmine of nihilism and Modern types.
Amazing.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:31 pm

Yes...you., and only you...dear.
I never claimed to be having an effect upon the world.
And...you come here, do not forget...I do not point to you there, if you never came here, and simply declared you my puppet.

My influence is small...upon specific individuals of a specific kind.
No world-changing motives, dear.
I am not that stupid and arrogant.
I am humble...I have humble motives, and ambitions.
I preserve. I do not invent.  

But, dear....I stay here and they come.
Who goes to Humanrchy?
How many?
A clown sitting in a room with half a dozen self-proclaiming "geniuses" dreaming of changing mankind, using symbols to declare themselves creative geniuses

They change words around and then claim to have invented something new.
I tell you that I am telling you the obvious...what is older than old....
I expose, I do not invent.

VO in place of Will to Power or self-affirmation, then another clown replaces 'behavior' with the word 'performance'...
Word-games.
Value BEFORE a judging consciousness emerges.
As with Nietzsche's will.
They've replaced god with a word...another one.
Wow...impressive.

EUREKA!!
We are geniuses.
Watch my numbers.
If someone even mentions him, he thinks he's affecting them.
A psychosis.

Like you. I respond to you, you take it as power.

They even admit that they are simply manipulating grammar...
HA!!!
Classic Judeo-Christian psychology.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:54 pm

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If you call lyssa a clown again I will have you lashed. Wink

He can call me HIS clown, and you needn't do a thing ; )

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:01 pm

By the way, sweets...
A little birdie told me the "genius", who is now changing mankind, mentioned me by name, in that thread...and then edited it out...later.
If I were arrogant, like him, I would call this an example of me mind-fucking him...but because I know how needy he is, and how he can't help but come here under false pretenses, I will let his actions speak for themselves.

I could tell you what my IQ was measured at, but why would I, when I can leave you speculating, upwards and then downwards, as your emotions dictate, at any given time?

To be honest, Lyssa is the brains of KT, I'm the character, the charisma, the face, and apaosha is the artist.

Who comes here, why they come here, how many come here, I'll leave it up to you, and others to decide for themselves.
That would be an indication of impact...to whatever degree one can use this term on the internet in some forum about philosophy, amongst a bunch of nerds.

Value judgments are comparison, dear. Compare KT and ILP or Humanrchy...or whatever, on your own.
You and others can decide for themselves without me declaring anything.  

Funny that even after telling you what I did....back here is where you came.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:05 pm

Just returning the compliment, dear.

Is it not interesting that he responds to Lyssa, who posted my words, mentions me by name, then goes back and edits it out?
no?

How about that he is a member here, using a different moniker?




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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:16 pm

Performance is action...for them.
Performance, for me, is the evaluation of action, using a value standard, an idea(l).
In relation to a projected idea(l) do I value my existence.
An animal need not evaluate itself in this way.
It's projected object/objective is tied to a phenomenon...It acts on impulse.
Only a human, using imagination, can detach the noumenon from the phenomenon, and project an object/objective with no reference points to any phenomenon.
The fewer reference point to a phenomenon a projection has, the more artificial it is.

I act = I exist
My existence is me (inter)acting.
I am not a thing that just happens to act.
I AM action.

"I think therefore I am" where there is no "I", and so no "therefore".
The I and the think are tautologies.
Self-consciousnesses relating to consciousness.
The "therefore" is the distance, the separation, necessary to make this process possible.
A retard, taking words literally, or a nihilist wanting to use words to escape, will use this separation to manufacture the mind/body dichotomy, corresponding to subjective/objective, ideal/real, noumenon/phenomenon, which can then be inverted.  

Performance is a measure of this (inter)action using a standard, an ideal.
Like all value judgments the performance is a comparison between the individual's actions and a projected, object/objective, which is made into a desirable, social idea(l), to manipulate actions.
Since these ideals are human constructs, performance can be a measure of how one's actions are evaluated within a man-made, artificial system of ideals.
If the system is nihilistic this performance will be a measure of this nihilistic drive to detach from reality; then given accolades by all those who participate and share in this nihilistic ideal's promise.

No need for self-affirmation.
I AM consciousness...I affirm myself AFTER I discover myself amongst otherness, as the final act of consciousness, becoming self-aware, and then judging this self in relation to otherness.
I AM ordering.

I can despise myself and still continue acting in the ways that maintain me.

I experience my existence as NEED...which may grow in degree to what we call suffering, pain.
I do not have to acknowledge need, to be needy.
My body has evolved a storage for nutrients form where it draws sustenance continuously....I NEED even when I feel satisfied.
I do not have to be conscious of it....the processes of feeding my need have been automated.
And so self-knowledge, Know Thyself is an advancement...not a given.

Consciousness is a tool that enhances my survivability.
Self-consciousness where I might value myself, is alter to evolve.
A tree need not value itself, or know itself, to act, because acting is what it is, in a way that maintains it alive.

Life is not something added to what I am. I AM life.  
Not something else (soul spirit, thing-in-itself)...I am that which lives.
When I die, that which I am, has stopped self-maintaining, and is now part of the unconscious (inter)activity of the world...
When my brain stops the processes which I call consciousness, or thinking, I am no longer self, because thinking IS what I am, not what I just happen to be doing.
A zombie still has mental processes that maintain self at a deteriorated level.

I need not be aware of it, or acknowledge it or affirm it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:45 pm

This is the difference between us, if there is an us on KT, and the nihilists...many of which can be found on ILP.
I've also called them Modern, with a capital M, because they are the "last man", fashionable, desperate to remain up-to-date on the latest, trendiest, most popular, methods of detaching, annulling, fleeing nature/past.

We use symbols, referring to noumena, to bridge the gap between our abstractions and the phenomenon, the real world.
We are motivated by the need to make the subjective and the objective tautologies, knowing that this is impossible, and undesirable, and so settling for a higher, a greater, superior, subjectivity.
We do not use words to invert reality, to project into it things we desire and hope were there, or are there awaiting us.
We use words as tools for uncovering, discovering, revealing, not concealing, distracting, tricking, burying.

Different ideals creating different object/objectives; different motives, ambitions and as a result, different characters with different levels of lucidity, honesty, courage.

We measure our success against the phenomenon, not some manmade standard of evaluating performance, actions, behaviors, using an ideal which negates reality and avoids connecting with the phenomenon.
Our goal is to make as many connections between our noumena and the phenomenon, our subjectivity and the objective world, as possible...so that we can then, with clarity, decide what to do about it.
We do not want to disconnect, and escape, using words, referring to other words, or looping back to noumena that refer to nothing outside our brains.

And so, we need not declare our nobility, our genius, our honesty, our effectiveness....we ARE it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:21 pm

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Don't you stand in the way of my nonsensical chivalry, woman.

Its cute when children play with toys and d&d games with strap-ons... Wink *tongue-click*

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:21 pm

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By the way, sweets...
A little birdie told me the "genius", who is now changing mankind, mentioned me by name, in that thread...and then edited it out...later.
If I were arrogant, like him, I would call this an example of me mind-fucking him...but because I know how needy he is, and how he can't help but come here under false pretenses, I will let his actions speak for themselves.

I could tell you what my IQ was measured at, but why would I, when I can leave you speculating, upwards and then downwards, as your emotions dictate, at any given time?

To be honest, Lyssa is the brains of KT, I'm the character, the charisma, the face, and apaosha is the artist.

Who comes here, why they come here, how many come here, I'll leave it up to you, and others to decide for themselves.
That would be an indication of impact...to whatever degree one can use this term on the internet in some forum about philosophy, amongst a bunch of nerds.

Value judgments are comparison, dear. Compare KT and ILP or Humanrchy...or whatever, on your own.
You and others can decide for themselves without me declaring anything.  

Funny that even after telling you what I did....back here is where you came.



Satyros(e),

You are the fragrance at the very bottom shelf in nature's workshop...  few have spine to bend over.

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Satyr was this forum, even before I was here, and all his writings fill this place with his clear In-sense, his fiery Incense, and his sweet Incense...

3 cheers.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:06 am

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There are two ways they do this "trimming": by turning against size (e.g. Epicurean hedonists) and by turning against order (e.g. self-indulgent hedonists.)

Do those two forms of trimming respectively correspond to masculine/negative and feminine/positive nihilism?

I wrote a long response to your question yesterday and saved a draft of it but now I don't seem to be able to re-access it. Let's say it's forever lost.

To answer your question: probably. I am not acquainted with these terms well enough to able to confidently answer your question.

This is how I see it.

  • Nihilism: a deep state of indecisiveness (of inability to decide and to act, "anarchy of the instinct" as Nietzsche calls it.)
  • Nihilism, just like pain (and nihilism is a form of pain), is neither good nor bad on its own. What can be good or bad is the way we react to it.
  • Pain, which is to say, disorder, is not something we can gain absolute control over, it's something that simply happens, it's fate, doomed to return over and over again.
  • You can react to pain and nihilism in two ways: by accepting it/surrendering to it or by trying to fight it (e.g. it's a well known fact in psychiatry that the best way to fight panic attacks, and all other sorts of pathological fears, is by not fighting them.)
  • The former is called reactive ("negative") nihilism, the latter active ("positive") nihilism.
  • The former is "self-hate" that digs one deeper and deeper into the ground (makes one more indecisive, more contradictory, in the long run) whereas the latter is "self-love" that leads towards resolution (makes one more decisive, less contradictory, in the long run.) It is direction that decides here, not any particular state.
  • The former is characterized by premature action, by rushing, the latter by slowness, by the ability to delay (re)action.
  • A man is not merely a set of complementary forces as is commonly thought, a man is a system of forces in mutual tension. No force exists in isolation, every force exists in relation to some other force, which is to say, every force has its opposing force.
  • A strong man placed in a physical environment far above his strength will be crushed. Similarly, an intelligent man placed in a "psychological environment" far above his intelligence will be crushed. In such a case, all intelligence becomes negative and destructive: one uses it not to order one's brain but to disorder it through all sorts of self-deceptions.
  • The aforementioned "psychological environment" refers to a set of inherited habits/instincts/abilities/etc.
  • It is the uncoordinated excess that is problematic in these people, not lack (in other words, what they lack is a coordination between their abilities.)


Anyways, both the Epicurean nihilism and self-indulgent nihilism are forms of reactive (i.e. negative) nihilism. If masculine/positive nihilism means conservative nihilism and if feminine/negative means liberal nihilism, then yes, Epicurean is "positive" and self-indulgent "negative" nihilism. But they are both bad while nihilism on its own is not bad (unless if by nihilism you only mean reactive nihilism.)
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:29 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is the end product of Modern nihilism.
Once words are disconnected from reality they lose meaning.
Then, retards, like these on ILP can point at their own work, the outcome of their own ideals, and declare ALL words meaningless.

See how leveling occurs and all words, like male/female, superior/inferior, human/animal lose meaning?
Their "freedom" IS this meaninglessness of words.

But, do not be fooled,. This retard, having realized that its own words are artificial, and that it has no clue what it is talking about, is attempting a defensive action.
It cannot justify its own bullshit, and having come in contact with ideas that it cannot deal with, it settles for the easier task of dismissing ALL as meaningless.

It wants to disappear in nothingness...it wants its own inferiority, its owns stupidity, to become a part of the uniform nil.

This, too, is a form of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
"If others are not as stupid, and afraid, and inheritors of bad genes, as I am, then nobody can enjoy life."
Resentiment on display.
The revenge of the idiotic.

If there is no absolute certainty then ALL is equally wrong...on hierarchies.
Either/Or...where imbeciles and cowards find refuge.

"No matter what you think..." declarative statement coming...."you are wrong."

Meaning...
"I cannot defend my own stupidity and the ideas I feel good believing in, no faith, so all is wrong."

Conslcusion?
"I can remain as stupid and cowardly and moronic, as pleases me, as makes me feeeeeel good, and nobody can hurt me by being better."

Absolutism, perspectivism, in all its glory.
Yes, people, this is why the world is fucked up.
This trash, being tolerated, because it deserves respect and to be heard, is why we are going into the shiter.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:23 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...when all fails turn to memetics to justify genetic predispositions for symmetry.

In no time, we'll all get together and hold a vote, deciding that stupidity is our new genius.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:59 pm

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And I quote...

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So far only thee people can work with the theory without bringing elements from different logics into the equation - you, I and Parodites,

The triadastic genius of ILP legend...
How does one "work" with mind-farts?
Will-o-wisps of human debauchery.  
And here is the underlying "logic", with repeating numerical symbols to back it up, which remains indisputable as it retains the "right" of subjective declarations...

kopraro1 wrote:
I will repeat: consciousness is embedded in selfvaluing, selfvaluing is not a product of consciousness.

...Oh, no need to repeat...we get the sacred, magical, truth, only three, or thee, so far, have managed to swallow with such grace, and humility.
A weathered whore, on any main-street, would not have managed such gag-control brilliance.  

The tool precedes the organism that applies it.
Like god's word.
Like consciousness.
Like will.
Christians also used the word "love".
Next year, another word.
Maybe...pleasure.

Consciousness IS judgment.
To be conscious is to discriminate, to judge.
Value is the outcome - in relation to a need.
Self is not known as other.
No self-valuing required.
Consciousness of self follows, and then it is evaluated, appreciated.  

We've seen this before.
We've eaten from this cuisine of nil, and zero nutrients, desperately wanting all to be invited to the dinner party.

Check please!!!
I think I'm done with this menu.
I'm getting indigestion.
Can't stomach so many "geniuses" all at once.

Notice how the 9 repeats...
Imagine a brain's method of comprehending would exhibit an internal consistency, of 1/0's

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:50 pm

Self-Consciousness can inhibit graceful (inter)activity, as the mind perceives other and self acting, simultaneously, and is divided in its focus.

Innate (re)actions, made so by trial and error, codifies as gene, acts without thinking.
It (re)acts to stimuli.
This is the more primitive form of awareness...sensing.
The judgment is also simple...binary.
Good, no good.
Edible, not edible.

From this evolves the neurological system which evolves consciousness, as a judgment, discrimination of otherness.
There is no need for self-appreciation, self-love, self-affirmation, as self is entirely (re)active, (inter)active.
From the simple good/bad, friend/foe, comes gradation....evaluations, appreciation of degrees.
Self is discovered much alter, as another otherness, and then self-appreciation becomes an issue - to Know Thyself is to discover self amongst otherness.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:20 am

They temporarily banned Magnus. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:17 am

Supra-Aryanist wrote:
They temporarily banned Magnus. LOL

The herd has its own defensive measures.
You will notice a distinct double-standard in all of their choices.


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A self-declaring, and, no doubt, self-appreciating, self-valuing [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] discussing numbers with the other two "geniuses", one of which would turn down a supermodel because she does not meet his "high standards" based on his "objective" self-value, no less.

Let's see how long it takes these geniuses to realize that words, and numbers, are symbols referring to abstractions, which, in turn, are simplification/generalizations of fluctuating phenomena - noetic devices which would exhibit an internal self-referential consistency and "logic" once the 1/0 binary concepts are accepted as a given.
Nihilism, and its variant Christianity, also have an internally consistent "logic", once you accept their starting presupposed premises as a given.

At some point the idea that judgment, which produces evaluations, appreciation of value, in relation to organic needs, can only be the outcome of consciousness....because consciousness IS judging, IS discriminating, is discerning by separating, so as to then evaluate, will reach its final conclusion.

In the meantime, they may cure cancer and, why not, declare themselves gods.
We already know they are brilliant....and are worth a lot, but only because they told us so, repeatedly.

We're used to ILPers declaring themselves geniuses, some claiming MENSA memberships, others claiming IQ's over 150, one claiming to have found the solution to EVERYTHING, another secretly hoarding knowledge that will revolutionize human understanding at some future date (a sort of bait to get pussy to bite), and an assortment of other braggarts, liars, obsessive stalkers, one of which has a magically appearing girlfriend who he must protect from obsessive stalkers, unlike him, when his ruse was discovered finding pride in manipulating idiots, like him, an anti-objectivist who is stuck on Rand and objective morality, and many other brain-dead imbeciles, who are all under the discerning care of an assortment of "unbiased" moderators protecting them, and themselves in the process, from their own stupidity.

No, things are not THAT bad...but they are getting there.

It's fun.

One day, when we grow up, we might realize that words, particularly using big words, does not cure stupidity.
We can call ourselves whatever we like, the world is yawning.
Patterns, as in phenomena, using symbols (words/numbers) to refer to them artistically, and how we connect to them is more indicative of intelligence.
Calling yourself strong when you've already exposed how weak you are, or declaring yourself a genius, is really a symptom of overcompensation.
Imagine a MENSA member with nothing to show as proof other than his statement.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:58 am

Yea, every forum has its form of PC, which the user has to play along with, at least until off moderation. Even then, venturing outside of the circle is risky business, as radical ideas or fundamental and, or derived discordance are a threat to the sociability of the group and its popular personalities, hence the double standards.
It can be necessary for a forum with a definite motive or purpose, appealing to a certain audience, like Stormfront, but a general philosophy forum needs to be less censored if it is to hold sway to its name.

It is fun to test people, but it supersedes necessity and interest in evaluating reactions, or as you put it: the human condition. Regularity in testing friends, family, comrades, any signifant other, is important.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:20 am

A forum needn't censor much more than idiocy if it's about an honest exchange of ideas of any kind. In a forum that is oriented towards complex thought sometimes it may be difficult to decide if the moderators have an agenda to protect their and the forum regular's idiocy, or if they are simply censoring idiots.

For example, rather than philosophy as a general subject, let's say advanced math; when it comes to the mathematical content one would need to be familiar with it to understand the motives of the moderators. The easiest way to tell if the moderators have a bias outside the truth is to see how they moderate insults. If they don't moderate them, or attempt to moderate them with consistency, then that suggests they're attempting honesty. If they protect the forum regulars, then chances are the forum regulars are constantly at risk of having their duplicity exposed.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:32 am

I'm in the chatbox.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:38 pm

On a cellphone, but will stop in.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:33 pm

A forum needs a moderator.  That moderator needs to keep things on track and excuse off people who are nonsensical or do not add to the conversation or debate that is going on. Real academic discourse and refining of ideas and a testing of theory can only be had if it is in honest and earnest debate.  Anything that distracts from that or brings it down to a level that is unproductive should be removed from the debate.

The very idea of forums in Ancient Greece to modern day have always been run that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:37 pm

Moderating should limits itself to keeping the threads on-topic, so that imbeciles do not post mind-farts that derail all topics into "look at me" games, and preventing material that might get the forum into trouble. 

That is it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:39 pm

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A forum need not censor.


Where's your support for Satyr on ILP, dear? I mean him as an individual,,, where's your Public Voice over there telling them to take off the perma ban on him, seeing how much you are pro-Free-speech and all? Didn't we both agree they can entertain a clown by labelling him away and repackaging him as a resident whatever and adjust him within,, but not someone who wants to talk of philosophy, its ill and the illness it breeds?

I am not proud of myself for copy/pasting his material there - in part.

But I'm not ashamed either.

When men run away like cowards and refuse to speak to another man 1 on 1 and rather go through a proxy like me,,, and not just this board like ILP, but philosophy in gerenal, if it can only be Regulated via Vias, this is a definition of them, and the state of intellectual grit today, not me. This is a state of War, and at the end of the day, what should matter and what does matter is only Ideas. Rest is immaterial.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:08 pm

phoneutria wrote:
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A forum need not censor.


Where's your support for Satyr on ILP, dear? I mean him as an individual,,, where's your Public Voice over there telling them to take off the perma ban on him, seeing how much you are pro-Free-speech and all? Didn't we both agree they can entertain a clown by labelling him away and repackaging him as a resident whatever and adjust him within,, but not someone who wants to talk of philosophy, its ill and the illness it breeds?


Should the subject come up in my presence, I would be inclined to speak in his favor.


lolz,, You brought it up there today yourself.

But nevermind.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:23 pm

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If you are asking me if I would champion the cause, the answer is fuck no.

Don't worry, tuts, nobody expected you to.
You are not diverting from pattern.
As I told you...all you have to do is come here, day after, fuckin,' day, read, whatever your heart desires, and then go-off to do whatever hypocrites, like you do.
You can call me old senile goat, in the meantime.
No problem. You are not even my focus, you dumb woman. you are my means...or you are nothnig to me.

You need not worry about the rest.

I'm only telling you this because you are boring me and I need a challenge.

Keepin' it real, yo!

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:44 pm

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I know satyr, I know... You've said it 10 times. Say it 100 times for all I care.

Please continue to tell us how you do not care, and how indifferent and independent you are.
No worries.
You, just, keep on doing what you do, sweets.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:46 pm

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If you are asking me if I would champion the cause, the answer is fuck no.

My "But nevermind." is to your hypocrisy.

Don't whine there and let yourself be burdened by me when you know what the status is; take it like a woman. Be more.


But again, nevermind.


Get it?


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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:47 pm

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satyr: I don't care
pho: I don't care
satyr: I don't care that you don't care that you don't care
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you're a child



The slave wants to be ignored to wallow in his/her happy world, disturbed by nothing and therefore (s)he needn't concern with reality at large. They then convolute their remaining this "disturbed by nothing" as Indifference, as pseudo-power.

Real Indifference is about caring, about engaging with as many real elements unaffected by the pleasure or pain these engagements may cause.

Citing, engagement with the world, as the powerlessness of not-ignoring is the slave's ressentiment.

Its the impotent with no claws that will present predation as weak, and remaning prey as virtue, and the path to virtue as highest living.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:52 pm

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Not caring, remaining unaffected, call it whatever you want, baby.

my munchkin... pet pet

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:52 pm

No worries, the woman still has no clue what is going on.
She feels an itch, a discomfort, between her legs...her crotch tingling, all up to her a-hole.

We want her there, not here.
We want her to pass by, not stay and linger.

Jeez, how long does it take to train a woman?

Let me repeat to myself...
I do not care.
I am unruffled.
I am unaffected.
I am free.
I am smart.
I matter.
I am important.
I am free.
I am a rebel.
I am happy.

I....I....I am!!

People luv me.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:20 pm

phoneutria wrote:
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Not caring, remaining unaffected, call it whatever you want, baby.

my munchkin... pet pet
*purs*

*Harrrrs*

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:02 pm

By the Gods....is this for real?


It's a joke, right?
Someone tell me this freak is joking.
Have things become so bad.

No...I've been told they aren't that bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:08 am

Now that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with bold lettering and with mathematical precision, we can only hope that this genius can turn his efforts towards cold-fusion, levitation, and immortality.

A good numerical formula might suffice.

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