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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:23 am

Absolute is a reference to a human fabrication, and so it uses a human construct to express its absence, when a mind needs abstractions of completeness to formulate ideas.
The system is closed, in the same way the organism has constructed a perfect barrier between itself and the world.
Ordering occurs in (re)action and in reference to increasing chaos.
To become a singularity, encompassing absolute space/time is an end.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:55 am

In times of spiritual depravity, when the old tales that kept the masses complacent no longer work, like a drug no longer offers the high it once did to the junky, new chemical combinations must be invented; new designer drugs to experience chemical ecstasy.
Not reinventing the wheel, but making it appear like you are, by amping-up the dosage and re-configuring the chemistry to stimulate the nervous system.
The loss of "God" could not be endured for long by those who most need this mental pacifier.
His death was prematurely announced, and it only served to begin the process of reinventing the concept in a new, exciting, more seductive form.
The idea of will to power implies an absence being willed.....it implies a struggle, movement towards.
The alchemy of value valuing, simply internalizes the process into a stillness.
One can now value valuing, or replace power with value, and no longer will it, as an objective, but appreciate it as a given, as present, as an all-encompassing energy, Divine spirit, encompassing all.

I do not know if this new Messiah, Jacob of Amsterdam, with the genetics of a Jesus of Nazareth, will succeed in turning his cult into a religion, but I do know that it has been tried and done before.
The past is a good indicator of future possibilities, and so I can predict the most probable outcomes without being certain of any of them.
For me the value valuing, and love loving, and be becoming, and making pleasure the end and not the means, is part of the ancient human disposition of inversion.

If I find any interest in the same process that made Marx famous, with his conversion of blood to class (gene to a meme), it is as a social experiment.
The ones attracted to a sermon on the mount identify themselves as the ones most in need of that particular message: its ease, its all-inclusive openness, its subjective angle, its verbal nullification of a threatening (inter)activity, its redefinition of the one and of its divine power, its presence everywhere and in everything...its narcosis.
The medium IS the message.  
Not only the psychology, the psyche of the prophet is on display in vain declarations of personal ambition - how his name will echo through the ages, how popular and internationally successful he hypothetically is, was, will be - we've heard this same desire from other, less sophisticated minds - exposing an repressed un-gratified, eroticism, wanting to expunge itself rationally - another alchemist conversion where sexuality is transformed to piety, or genetic fertilization becomes memetic - but also, more importantly, the psychology of those attracted by such a blatant exploitation of human frailty; their movement towards the "gravitational" mass of the forming singularity.
The motives exposing their essence, as all (inter)activity exposes the participating patterns.
Leader seducing the ones only he can lead - they becoming expressions of his own personae.
This is where genes converge by internal pressures towards the same memes, the same idea(l)s.

A cult-like repetition of the common theme is already present, as I'm sure in the times of Jesus when the word attracting was "love".  
The path must be internalized....so where Will to Power places self as yet to be, with this message, similar to the older one, the power is already present, and must be tapped by first appreciating it in self and in everything. The spirit of the divine present in all things - omnipresent.
To love God's love for you, is to love loving, and your neighbor, for he is part of the same divine spirit.
Suffering is when you deny this value in you, or when you compete over the Divine's increasing presence in you.
Natural selection converted into a struggle over the sacred.  
Even Marxism had an element of market values in its production standards - the workers, now united as one, competed over who would produce the most, the farmer competed over who would cultivate the earth bringing forth the value already present in it.
Priests were converted to party leaders - scripture to the red book, and the prophets inspiring new highs of productivity the infamous leaders of yore,
Conflict with the official Christian dogma was inevitable - just as the cold War was a fight over the spoils, after the "menace", the devil incarnate had been pushed back down to hell, from whence it came from.
With no Satan new ones had to be discovered - the old converted with alchemy, to fill in the absence.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:57 pm

Absolution means 100%, complete objectivity.

It is the perspective of "Thing-ness" and Predetermination. People are not subjects, but objects, with a Destiny or Fate that they cannot deny or deviate. Everybody has an expected course of action (path-of-least-resistance). Choice is an illusion. Ego is also an illusion. Ideals are illusions. The only function consciousness serves to a complete object is discovery of this Pre Destination.

Judæo-Christians tend to associate godliness with complete Objectivity, in the sense that all time can be seen "objectively" and known. Therefore, a god knows the fate and destiny of all people, as objects.

Absolution is complete rationality without corruption, pure logic, pure reason. Knowing the past, present, and future, therefore Omniscience.


(However this obviously is impossible from the perspective of a Subject that implies a certain % of subjectivity of a life form. For example a human maybe 77% objective and 23% subjective, or 50-50, or 10% objective and 90% subjective, thus resulting in different opinions and interpretations of existence. For example, females are perceived as "more subjective" than males, etc.)
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:32 pm

I wonder if the retard Arc would exhibit such ta booooooo knee-jerk reactions if someone spoke of the Jewish genius?

To N., the jewish trickery - which was their aptitude for Logic - was the jewish genius.

Would that retard now throw the baby with the bathwater, or instead of Policing minds to close themselves against the very mention of certain words, she would rather be more affirmative of judice as well as pre-judice, of candour And critique?!

Maybe even "Human" is too taboo a word, too stereotyped.

Lets save it.

Lets speak of organisms that eat, f--- and defecate and etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:18 pm

Multiplicity of Nihilism provided by the noetic being disconnected from the phenomenal, the world, casts each subjective mind adrift: each mind living in its won world.
They have their shared fears, and desire to maintain their personal subjective world intact, immune to any world outside their mind's creativity, and they have their codependency forcing them to shared concessions, such as Democracy and morality, to distribute their responsibilities and loyalties in maintaining their inter-subjective unity, but they lack any cohesion, each being an island, an individual, free and useless without other.
with no external standard to unite them, no world to measure their theories upon, they fall prey to charlatans using word-games to convert, words referring to world, into ontological mystifying forces, connecting all with the holy spirit of their Lord, who is not dead....not for them.
The connecting binding order, the number one, the feeling of love, the sensation of pleasure, the value of value, it could be any "positive" word; any word triggering in them positive reactions; any word offering hope, salvation, a replacement destiny for the one lost when God was declared dead and they had no reply to offer.
What was lost was that Divine spirit in all things, living and non-living.
They called it love....a particle loving itSELF, a stone loving itSELF...they too retained the sense of agon, of struggle with their battle against disbelief, against sin, against Satan.
It was not easy, for them. Faith was hard in the face of so much world before them...to keep faith in the nonsensical, took effort - it was a struggle.
Their love of a loving God required will.
With his death where would this will focus the mind upon?

A new Messiah comes to stand upon the hill.
The same types converge upon the hill and call it church.
A messiah need apostles to spread his 'glad tidings' across the earth.
He must take them away form family, to the desert, to some secluded place where his teaching can be reinforced with a face-to-face, minus distractions communion.
A few worthy ones will be found to make up the core, the first high priests.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:33 pm

Faith in god's loving essence offered grace to the myriads of lost and tired - the sick and the coward.
They could rejoice in the thought that every rock, every cloud, every particle was god's love expressing itself in death and injustice, just as it did in compassion and community.
The one universe embracing itself in tender loving, and vicious care.
Love can be cruel, and destructive.
A world as narcissist consciousness, attracting the narcissists in itself to her loving/hating bosom.

God's spirit was everywhere and nowhere.
Spirit not having to be defined, but allowed to remain ambiguous, easy to be defined in whatever way the believer needed to satisfy his inner craving.
To have attempted to define the word "spirit", by connecting its symbolism and the abstraction it referred to, to something phenomenal, would have destroyed its magic.
It would have excluded many.

In a leper's commune defining the word "beauty" and "health" could remind the members that they are not up to the standards nature defines as beauty: symmetry (proportionality indicating past, genetic, health) and fitness (indicating reproductive health)...and defining health as vigour, reproductive fitness, self-sufficiency, order, would shatter their brittle decaying spirits.
Detaching the words from their natural references would make them tools for masturbation and self-flattery.  
Lepers would find a new definition for beauty, as they would for health.
Would the world care?

According to the Judeo-Christian/Muslims, it would.
All is conscious - god's eyes see all.
Only redemption left to the lepers is to seek god's approval, by cultivating their inner beauty and health: their piety and loyalty to him.
They would value themselves, as they are, and God would love them for it, if by valuing/loving themselves they valued/loved Him in themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:40 pm

A messiah is always ambitious.
He is not satisfied with saving himself, or the few.
World domination, is his goal and he loves/values himself enough to think he is capable and worth it - he deserves it.
What arrogance the "humble" one from Nazareth must have had to raise his voice in a crowd and speak his "truth".
Madness is, often, mistaken for confidence, as is ignorance.
his madness has inspired many since, and will continue to do so....each hoping a church will be built in their name if they are mad enough to gather the crazies from far and wide.

Was Jesus mad, ignorant, or clever, possessing the motives of a rebel wanting to destroy one cult and replace it with another?
Perhaps, as many suspect, he was a naive, child-like spirit, an idiot.
Saul would prove the last possibility to be the most probable.
The bringer of truth and salvation, and love, would become the name of one of the most vile, sickly, hateful, nature hating religions to have ever come into this world.
Unmatched by her brutal, vulgar, simpleton brother Islam, nor by her reclusive, sexually dysfunctional, lying, pretentious, overcompensating mother Judea.
Christianity would be a whore, dreaming of fucking the entire world and everything in it.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:02 pm

All it takes to make flies come together is to kill an animal, and leave it exposed to the elements.
Every fly from miles around, will smell the rot and come flying.
Eggs will quickly be laid, when bountiful food creates excess, and an orgy of hedonistic consuming, fornicating, upon the corpse.
In the moment in space/time the fly's tiny brain will believe it is in heaven. An eternal utopia where food never ends, and fucking never stops.
Then the first batch of maggots will come, and will grow, upon the bounty.
Then more, and more, the cadaver slowly rotting, and being consumed by tiny little flies and maggots.

Then....no more.
The great austerity begins, and all those millions, by now, flies and maggots will fall prey to other predators or to the lack of nourishment.

Such is the faith of a dogma promising plenty, and delivering it in the short-term.
When the body is eaten away, the maggots begin feeding on each other.

Every so often a dinner bell is rung....from far off.
Hunger turns you towards is symbolic ring, the mind imagining plats of food piled up in whatever manner and combination the mind's tastes desires.
Closer and closer you come, the sound getting louder and louder, until it is hurting your ears, but you cannot stop when you've committed yourself, and your hunger has grown in the meantime.
and then, there it is....a table set for a king, and others have arrived before you, so you rush forth wanting to take your share...and you eat, and eat, and eat, until you are full but you eat some more, because you think the food will finish and you will get hungry again.
More and more hungry, desperate souls arrive, each with an emptiness to fill.
The size of the table, and the mount of food on it makes it seem as if the food is endless, that it is magically emerging out of the table, so you stop eating, wanting to play, full of energy, now that you've had your fill. Play and make love, why not, then eat again, after a good bowl movement, and some sleep.
Ah, but life is wonderful, for a while.
You love everyone, you want to share everything...your food, your thoughts, your cock, your arse, you need to invent new ways of sharing your overflowing bountifulness with others....you become generous, to the point where you are now competing over who is the most generous.

But what if, at that moment, all the food is gone?

How long before the same people begin devouring one another?
How long before someone realizes that this was all a plot, a ploy, a trap?

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:13 pm

So amazing when language provides an end to the infinite regress - itself a product of trying to represent, using static symbols, the fluctuating world around us.

So amazing when love-loving-love, and value-valuing-value, and self-selfing-self, and consciousness-consciously-consciousing (why not?) loops words in an endless Gordian knot only Alexander with his blade would dare sever.
So amazing when hypothetical grown men, convulsing with need to be remembered, when they cannot offer anything else to recall them in the minds of others, but regurgitated words changed a bit to make it look fresh and new - desperate and infantile, they fall prey to their own mesmerizing, hypnotic spells, and think the world is with them.
Then, the even more amazing happens, and the spell caster, taken over by his own hypnosis, realizes that someone standing on the side, a bystander, also fell victim to the power of the spell.
Then someone else...and one more...and with each new convert the spell-caster is convinced that his magic is potent and his knots woven so tight nobody can unravel them.
That's when he becomes ambitious.


Eroticism can find an outlet in abstraction, and call it reasoning.
One can fornicate with one's self, suing tongue and lips, and the vibrations the vocal cords make.
To give yourself a blowjob, I've heard, you must be gifted, first of all, limber, and definitely able to tie yourself into a knot.
With your own cock in your mouth, a bystander mesmerized by the effect, may try to insert himself into the entire mess, by inserting his penis in your rectum...and then the yarn is doubled...and tripled, ....an orgy in a ball, or having a ball with an orgy.
Body parts tied in a confusion, as if all was part of one organism...when all it is is some moron fucking himself, inspiring others to have a go at him.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:30 pm

There will always be cowards born into this world.
Cowards, weaklings, morons, idiots, imbeciles, schizophrenics, faggots, or any kind of mentally diseased mutations.
In the past they were exploited, or culled, if we go further back....and they were most certainly excluded.
But not today.
Today they reproduce...like rabbits, and under the benevolent protection of a loving other, they grow bold and loud.
Now they drown out all dialogue with their delusional chanting, and prophetic speeches.
One must scream louder then them to be heard....in other words one must become like them to hope to escape their chatter.

When so much is left to chance, you might get some brilliance once in a while, but what you most certainly will get is a whole lot of garbage...and with no mind, no judgment left to discern what is what, you can only sit back and watch.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:33 am

It is true that Nihilism overwhelms with quantities, when it is helpless in qualities.
It wants more, and more...and is willing to support any lie to absorb another feeble mind.

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Multi-headed Hydra, it is.
You cut off one head, and two more grow in its stead.
The nature of the beast was tackled in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Not thoroughly but a perimeter was sketched.

That Nihilism would produce multiplicity, reincarnating itself in different forms, but where the body, the stomach housed the same belly, I've tried to explain in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
KT is about describing the world, as it is, and allowing the reader to determine how (s)he will navigate the sea paths.
Nihilists offer something more pro-active, seductive. They offer feel-good "solutions", if they do not tumble to despair.
It is the cesspool, the core, the corpse, out of which cults emerge, and Messiahs come to dominate the feeble-minded and the ill, who now declare themselves healthy.  
Repackaging the same dis-ease, dis-like of world, painting it over with a shiny gloss, with exciting new colors, is the word/symbol of the usurers, who have perfected the idea of selling air as gold - look at the economy when it detached from the tangible gold standard.
Abstraction cut into tiny pieces and resold to the gullible.
The miser flourishes when exploiting morons is made easy for him.
Verbal juggling.
They appropriate words, shift their meaning slightly, detaching the symbol from the world, and it becomes a tool for mesmerizing imbeciles, and savages.
Trinkets and tricks.
Magical performance.
How difficult would it be to seduce a natural follower, who has sucked on Nietzsche's penis for well over a decade and now looks for a new erection to attach to and swallow whole?
A feminine spirit needs manly sperm to gestate in her womb, in his stomach.
Birth a burp, smelling of vomit.
It is a mind desperately wanting find a leader, to be seduced.
You can smell it on "him".

Who would envy a collection of "internet brilliance", the lost, the criminal, the inept, the infertile, the insane?
A motley crew of the lost and sickly.

But weakness needs something to feel proud of, and if someone pays attention to a simpleton he takes this attention as his prize...just look at cAnus and how the Purple Dragon prances every time someone responds to his nonsense.

Funny how KT is accused of cultist behavior when there is a cult being born under their noses.
I only hope it is taped for posterity, because Jesus had no technologies, except writing, to recall the tale of how Christianity was born.
When Jacob of Amsterdam , the new messiah of Nihilistic overturning, and revamped scripture, takes his disciples out into the desert, to bond and to decide who is good for what, and how they will conquer the future, I want to be a witness to this (re)birth, claiming Hellenism as its mother - the new hydra head emerging, growing, from a small bud, to a snapping, voracious mouth with sharp teeth and blazing eyes.
Somewhere other than in the "holy lands"...somewhere more pagan:
Punjab...the outskirts of Sparta, Montana....Amsterdam where the drugs are legal and porn is experienced live on stage.

The clan gathers, with an old message made new....by changing the words it uses.
Not "love" but "value" is what the universe is held together by.
Every particle a declaration of self-adoration.
Rock loving itself, self-loving...the new God given a new more current name.
The same need seduced, the same weakness exploited, the same charlatans, the same tribe, the same heritage repeating the same story-line.

This is fascinating. because it is magical.
Twelve Apostles, a Magdalene, and a Judah?
Who knows?  
Some pot should be part of the proceedings, to mystify...some mind-altering mushrooms, to make the experience seem more profound.
Did not Jesus see Satan in the desert?
Maybe the new messiah, J-of-A will see Satyr instead...tempting him, laughing at him .... a test of his will, of his faith.
Maybe Lyssa will appear to him, naked and enticing, stimulating the repressed eroticism he expresses with an abstract erection, but denies its reality.
She [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], shatters his confidence, shakes his faith, every time she speaks...he turns away from her bite, trying to ignore her.

We are going global...international...and we start with a brilliant group indeed.
The future looks bright.
Darkness makes light stand out...and this midnight of the spirit turns the spark, the flame KT keeps alight, seem like a lighthouse in the storm.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:38 pm

Small ego,

You drone on and on and on about the same topics, re-wording them slightly to reclaim your originality to the core concepts, as if you monopolize them. And you will not allow anybody to take the limelight, for any length of time. You hate when your vanity is exposed, self-proclaimed boyfriend and "guardian" of Lyssa, as if she ever asked for you or needed your help.

You offer no "solutions" to the "problems" you present. You remain hypothetical instead of practical and pragmatic. You claim that you want to "only describe" the world and its illness, but, that is not real life. That is your petulant, childish idealism talking. As if any person here, or on this planet, can avoid taking an active part in (what YOU call) nihilism. As if you have any real authority on the subject? As if you can dictate noble or ignoble values, as if your vague accusations of "self hate" or "self love" have any merit whatsoever without context?

It's true that you have followers and mind-slaves, like For tuna and Roberto, who cannot think for themselves, or simply lack the balls, manhood, and testosterone to challenge you. But for me, this is easy, poking a hole in your philosophy and rationalization, showing the contradictions here and there, but there are so many to choose from.

Speak more about "possibilities as probabilities" and expose more of your ignorance.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:49 pm

Then poke the hole; bitch, you have no substance but the need in you exposés through your présence, returning while at the same time proclaiming none is worth it. Such a hypocrite.
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:50 pm

Quite the dilemma....somebody who flouts valuing the real before the ideal, also promotes merely "describing" reality instead of taking an active part in it, as if he does not himself? As if his philosophy is, somehow, magically disconnected from his day to day life, and as if his disconnection from reality is not the same as the "nihilism" he drones on about, without really grabbing its body and grappling with?

So much for valuing the Real....?
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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:53 pm

A puppy comes licking the hand that fed it, hoping for some new scraps, but when it is ignores it begins to use its tiny teeth to nibble at the fingertips.

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PostSubject: Re: Forums Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:53 pm

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Then poke the hole; bitch, you have no substance but the need in you exposés through your présence, returning while at the same time proclaiming none is worth it. Such a hypocrite.
Calm yourself, mind-slave....

For practice, why don't you begin to think, for once in your short life, how your thoughts, opinions, and philosophy differs from satyr or the core values of this forum. Then, after that, compare how your values are the same, if they even are.

One of the values promoted by this forum is realism instead of idealism. That reality is positively valued and idealism is negatively valued. This should be obvious. Begin there, and do your homework, twerp.

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