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PostSubject: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:24 am



Hi, I came here to actually ask your opinions on the man and his ideas. Most of you probably know him as he has been in news and stirring the alternative thinking and free speech scene for years now.  

To kick this off I think he is coward. He attacks the low hanging fruit, and morally signals not to be totalitarian, authoritarian, Nazi, communist, fascist, etc. He talks nihilistically about morality, in therms of absolutes, and equates moral goodness to words like freedom and equality, making them seem something more then just moral abstractions. And from that fallacy he asserts that "authority" or "totalitarianism" are in themselves morally bad, and thus never actually explaining what is morally wrong in authority/totalitarianism.

He has lot of material uploaded in YT, and after listening to him for weeks I see so many contradictions in his world view. He compartmentalizes many of his views so he can make sense of it, so his own ignorance and cognitive dissonance doesn't show. In one hand he says people should assert themselves, rescue their father, masculine virtue, to take their own side, in Jungian perspective to become some what a hero archetype, and yet he doesn't seem to see the contradiction when it comes to authority/totalitarianism/Fascism which in essence is masculinity, to take one own side.  

Also one of his usual moralistic tricks is to point to established mainstream history which is essentially propaganda for those parties that are in power. The past is full of demonized losers, and victors are always morally virtuous. Historical objectivity is clearly not what he is after. And the fact that he repeatedly makes moral suggestions from historical examples is essentially a cowards way out. He doesn't need to explain why something is morally wrong or good, as "history shows us". This type of dishonesty is essential in him, as I see him very dishonest. He is clearly well read and also intelligent, yet he is a sophistic, and not arguing from honesty, and this is something of disappointment. He also refuses to see the obvious ideological and moral differences between political and ideological trends, he lumps them up to be the same because it is convenient. He refuses to see differences morally and ideologically between monarchy, anarchism, or communism and fascism. For example in the case of communism and Nazism they were morally structured differently, which is essence of the whole society. Both had different moral and ideological motivation not only in simple moral memes and rhetoric, but also in deeper meta level. One build their morality around abstract concept of equality and other their tribe, actual persons, the people. To equate those two just because they were "socialist" is intellectually wrong and lazy.  

That all being said... I kind of like him and in a sense root for him.

He says many things I agree, but I can sense a fear. Now I wouldn't mind the fear, as a fear is natural. Let's not forget he is facing the system so to speak. It's dangerous and it healthy to fear danger, especially when the stakes are high like with his situation. So in a sense I cannot blame the guy. He is alone after all, and going against the machine. Essentially he is trying to keep some "moral" back door open, while attacking the morality of the SJW and post-modernism. This would essentially be a career ender for most people, but he has successfully kept resistance alive and growing, but I fear that he is doing more harm then good in the long run, because he is not realistically pointing out the nihilistic abstractions of equality and freedom and trying to build a moral framework around them, and because he has gathered a huge cultish following he has huge potential to make change.

He might do all this in porpoise knowing that he is arguing intellectually lazy, or actually believe what he spits. I assume he is stirring up the deck of cards knowing full well that the shuffle he is doing is false.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:25 am

Well, he is a fan of Jung, and Jung was Christian in his outlook.
I appreciate his efforts against postmodernism, within the confines of its political-correctness.
His career and his reach through its legitimization of his voice, are at stake. I cannot blame him his reluctance to go beyond a certain point, if he does, indeed, harbour any secret sentiments he is reluctant to expose.
I recall how he minimized race as a factor in determining intelligence.
He is more open in his commentary on women and the current identity crisis.

Any voice of reason against this insanity is welcomed, even if it is self-censoring.

Can't say if he is being dishonest or simply restricting himself to within the limits imposed upon him by the system, so that he is not silenced and cast aside as another European authoritarian.
He is creating a shift, within a segment of the young, whoa re still open to ideas and are not as deeply infected by the dis-ease of nihilism.

This War like no Other, as I call it, is a different kind of conflict.
It is noetic, or feminine in its tactics.
If you use masculine tactics it will have the opposite to the intended outcome.
To fight an enemy you must adopt his methods.
Fighting guerrilla warfare,, for example, using conventional means will result in defeat.
Fighting female psychologies, and emasculated "males", is like fighting children.
You must adopt their methods to deal with them.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:48 pm

He is an academic and sophist, thus reliant and dependent upon the system for money and popularity. He benefits from his views by the increase in popularity, and has a career to consider. Even if he had further, more disruptive views, then he maybe self-censoring them. I like him because he goes much further than other academics and intellectuals. In that regard, he is a good measure and marker for the current times.

You're right to critique his points about morality. I've not been impressed from what I've heard. What impressed me about Peterson is his willingness to expose many fragments of modernity, and in response to the "LGBTQ" proclamations on gender-pronouns. The Law is a serious affair. And so he is reacting to that nobly, and putting his foot down. In other words, there are degrees by which Moderns must 'tolerate' modernity (regarding the LBGTQ, fag movement).

What is LGBTQ by the way? It is a *Hedonist* movement, young people being "educated" (indoctrinated) to suck each-other's dicks, vaginas, to pretend to be each-other's gender, to pretend to be oppressed, to pretend to be victims. It is a mentally ill ideology, formulated by social pretenses.

But, how far ought the average Modern go, to pretend that he supports and is "proud" of Gay Rights? That's more what Peterson and his popularity is about. How far ought society go, to support the delusions of a small minority? Very far? Must people change language, behavior, everyday life? Must you change your very thoughts?

Fortunately, right now, liberal-leftism does not have that much power. Hopefully it does not, in the future, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:59 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:54 pm

Peterson is a staunch psychoanalyst and his psychological approaches come first to anything he thinks about, as he himself admits, which means he is inadvertently impartial and objective. Morality is something he gives lip service to due to his academic prestige and reputation in the educational institution.

He has a lot to lose, and he knows how to exercise some caution in his teachings in tandem with the intractability of leftist censorship. He doesn't have much choice but to appease and placate a system that rejects anything of strong values or principles or ideas. Most academics have a difficult time reconciling their ideas with principles or virtues, because of how ardently they are despised in university environments. Call it dishonesty if you must, but i simply call it survival. I wouldn't however, call him a coward. He has proven his courage to challenge the status quo, and not simply with the LGBTQ bullshit, which is nothing more than a triviality, but with his support for a mythos of masculinity, his rejection of feminization, which is very important, and his strong promotion of the idea of Man embracing his primal nature as a way to 'civilized power', which is something about his philosophy i like.

His beliefs or standpoints on race superiority is something he will always be impartial and circuitous about. Steven Pinker does the same thing, but his brilliant biological expositions on human nature compensate for it.

The way he thinks is very genuine to me. He has a discursive and wandering intellectual plight. He strikes me as a passionate and serious thinker.  And he respects philosophy and understands Nietzsche pretty well and admires him. All very good marks to win my approval, despite any airs he might put on for practical purposes. At some point, at least for me, cynicism or discontent has to find a resting point. In these times, as Satyr points out, a strong voice against the intellectual degradation is welcome.

He is philosophically inclined and has a sense of philosophy's spirit, but in the end he is mostly an academic and that comes with knowing how to be a rhetorician when he has to. The good attributes in him outweigh the bad for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:00 pm

Peterson is good, but he often gets too Judeo-Christian on me to fully impress.
Like a gorgeous woman with a funny snort, for a laugh.
You are taken by her, and then she breaks the spell when she laughs....but you still have sex with her.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:47 pm



In any case, I think Peterson is good at making money.
You don't become a Professor in Canada if you don't know how to play the game and are willing to.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:08 am

Peterson is banking on the absurdity of Nihilism, pushed to its own logical limits.
Protecting stupidity from itself has now produced monstrosities.
The memetic virus is now manifesting in observable by even the obtuse, symptoms.
Like a disease infecting the body can remain inconspicuous. the ill appearing healthy and with a bit of cosmetic help, exhibiting no external indications of his illness.
The dis-ease may take time to become apparent....subtle signs are missed or hidden, but they accumulate until, as if suddenly, it becomes glaringly obvious to the average mind.

This is the case with Nihilism.
It has festered and is now producing symptoms that those who were blind to it cannot ignore.
It's going to get worse.....because in medicine preemption is better than intervention, and beyond a certain point saving the patient will come at a high cost.

What we have in this case is a mental did-ease that has been ignored, or accepted as the new norm for 'health', sheltered from the costs, until it is now producing atrocities.
It is the 'logical' continuance of Nihilism's reasoning.
A theory can be self-consistent and logical within its own predetermined premises. It can have cohesion.
As evidence, look at the self-referential and entirely consistent logic of Christianity, or, something more obvious, of alternate realities, like star Trek, or DC Comics, or Marvel, or Tolkien's Middle Earth.
All seemingly referencing a reality we all experience, and yet imposing supernatural, surreal, abstractions, ideas, in the form of metaphor which are entirely unreal, and only exist in our minds, because the writer/creators placed them there.
Fantasy is defined as imagination with no reference to reality, to the observable, experienced world.

A semblance of 'realism' is maintained, to make the narrative more believable, more convincing, more able to transport us out of the world into a alternate one, but then this is synthesized with entirely fabricated constructs, in the form of combinations of the experienced in ways that refer to nothing in the world.
This becomes the foundation upon which they can then proceed to build a self-referential, self-consistent, logical premise.
Logic refers to its own consistency, once some 'facts' are taken for granted.

The self-consistent 'logic' of Nihilism is that absolutes exist, 1/0 being representations of the binary code....absolute order or absolute chaos; either all is good, or all is evil/bad, or all is true or all is false....all is subjective or all is objective.
Another presumed 'fact' underlying many nihilistic alternate realities is that humans, if not all life, is born as a clean slate - tabula rasa...setting up the follow through that the body is the illusion, the shell within which the 'true self' the soul, or spirit, resides, or in which it is carried.
Body is presented as a host, reflecting the memetic virus' parasitical nature.
Body is a garment, a matter of circumstance, a trend - vehicle.

We are now facing the full blown emergence of the symptoms of nihilism....and Peterson, like a good modern, a good Abrahamic, takes notice.
It has become so obvious that he cannot ignore what is becoming obvious......unlike his less intelligent, less courageous peers who are still in the dark.
He's taking advantage of his advanced recognition of the internal, esoteric, logic of Nihilism, and is ringing the warning bell, acquiring notoriety in the process.
He wants to be known as the man who was the first to see what was occurring, and he has a position and the credentials to take advantage of his 'insights', at a small risk.
Of course we've been talking about it for decades.

But he does not cross the line.
He points to the symptom that was first to manifest in such as obvious way, but ignores the underlying dis-ease, and does not go beyond the symptom itself.
So, he speaks about sexual identity madness, because its becoming so ridiculous that the mediocre cannot help but see.
I was speaking on feminization since the late nineties....but who noticed or took me seriously?
But he stops short, not daring to go beyond the particular symptom of the dis-ease. In fact presenting one of its virus, Christianity, Abrahamsim, as a 'good thing', because he cannot see how it is the root cause of this dis-ease.
He also never crosses the line into race....like the MRA, MGTOW, refused to do.
That's a different symptom, in their heads, and no yet obvious.
But we know that it's all part of the same memetic virus, the same psychological dis-ease.
Like cancer, it is present in all bodies, but it does not become dangerous, deadly, in all cases.
Nihilism is part of the human condition - a species becoming self-conscious seeds the nihilistic reaction to this self-awareness.
Overpopulation and the absence of culling, makes the hosts more vulnerable.
Cancer increases and so does the cancer of the mind called Nihilism.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:52 am

It's interesting what admiration he shows towards Nietzsche.
This is not uncommon among the Moderns of a particular, age, and of a particular intellectual and psychological level.
A combination of above average intelligence and a bent on romantic idealism, metaphorical esotericism, and a vulnerability to the mental, psychological effects of symbols/words.
Nietzsche's linguistic eloquence, coupled with his insinuations carry a profound punch to rock the mind of any post-modern man-child.
There's an obvious boyishness, to Peterson, that comes out when he's riled up by his own speeches in those 'man' expressions.
Very adolescent, sixties expressions.  
It also comes forth in his presentation of what is obvious as profound insights, to those who are so sheltered that he is, for them, their first contract.

Nietzsche's anti-christian positions are ignored by Peterson, who presents Christianity as the basis of Western thinking and civilization, alongside Hellenism.
He wants to go back to the Enlightenment....but no further than that.
This is also part of the post-modern psychology - this selective synthesis of interpretations of Abrahamic and Aryan, as a foundation stone of 'western culture', after the Enlightenment.  
Parasite and host merge into a single organism - Jesus being the point of reference for this noetic merger.
Dis-ease and the body before the infection are united in memory, as if they were always one and the same, or as if they were born of the same blood and followed the same path.
We all admire Nietzsche as the first to diagnose this dis-ease, and Peterson is attempting to be the first diagnostician of its sexual flare-up.
He follows the symptom back but no further than where it suits him.
Like Nietzsche focused on Christianity, as the symptom, Peterson focuses on sexual identity, and does not expand his search.
The reasons for this are not entirely certain.
Is he unable to go further, because he lacks the mind, or the courage? Is there another motive at work?

Why is it that some Moderns can now admit that there are more than physical differences between males and females but cannot apply the same logic to races?
What appears different is not so arbitrarily, or accidentally, otherwise one has to follow that 'logic' down to its absurd end.
Why does Peterson stop at Abrahamism as the source of his more 'sane traditionalism'?
Why does he not look deeper into the so called 'family values' of Christianity, through Biblical allegories?
He's good at inferring symbolism, and expanding on metaphors, in all cases but not in others.

The symbolism of immaculate conception; the noetic rape of a married woman, or her adulterous seduction and surrender to an enticing Aryan masculine idea(l); the symbolism of Jesus taking his disciples away from their families; the allegory of Abraham and his readiness to sacrifice his only begotten son, because he does not belong to Abraham but to God....
The metaphors abound concerning Christian anti-male, anti-traditional family values.

But metaphors lend themselves to multiple interpretations.
It's why I insist on connecting symbols/words to reality, before I proceed to use them metaphorically.
A practice the Delphic Oracles took advantage of, as did Nostradamus and the writers of Biblical Scripture.  
With no clear grounding in the real, the mind can be convinced of any absurdity, if it is presented eloquently and with a self-consistent, internal logic.
The mind wants to believe.....but it wants to be given good reasons to do so.
Like a female wants to submit, but she must be given good reasons to submit - she does not want to feel ashamed of her submission, she wants it to be worth it.  
The modern audience is primed for escapism, for alternate realities, for occult meanings promising great power, wealth, eternal life, or whatever else their covetous spirit craves.
But they are not willing to surrender to that which is below their self-assessed level of integrity, and pride.
They want to give themselves to the absurd, but they do not want it to be as obvious as it was for those in a less literate, more ignorant past.
They want a more sophisticated version of the same nihilistic delusions.
Nihilism updated with scientific insights to, at the very least, pretend they are sane.

Moderns were willing to go along with the absurdity of sexual identity being a social construct, up until it began to be exploited by those that were inferior to them.....applying the same 'logic', or following the same logic to its own end.
But things have gone out of hand....and that is where Peterson steps in, and those like him, to stop the 'logic' from being followed through.
Where does Peterson draw the line?
The Bible.
He creates a series where he reinterprets Biblical text in a manner that can be gratifying to Moderns who have lost belief in a god (absolute) that has been pronounced dead - integrating, of all people Nietzsche into his neo-Christian biblical studies.
Not uncommon to attempt to integrate the threat with the threatened...or the virus with the anti-virus, so as to produce a more resilient strain.  
Marx did it with Communism.
But Saul is our best reference point, because he integrated Jesus' teachings with Judaism and Paganism to lay down the foundations of a very anti-Jesus Religion...using Jesus as its symbol.
The man who rebelled against the organized nihilistic religion of Judaism was made, by another Jew, into n icon of a synthesis and rebirth of Judaism, dressed in Hellenic drag.
The seduction of Hellenism, the intellectual force of Hellenism was so potent that the Romans succumbed to it, but they were of the same Aryan blood, and the corruption of reinterpretation was small.
I've mentioned the linguistic error that still haunts those who were raised on Latin based languages.
Heidegger is to be read.

But in the case of Judaism and Hellenism, the contradictions are so profound that what was born of it was a monstrosity called Christianity.
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Peterson tries to do the same.
He shows reverence to the diagnostician of the dis-ease, Nietzsche, and then proceeds to glorify it in a way contrary to the original diagnosis.
He's not the only one that was trained by Saul in the ways of propaganda, or word-games.
If Jesus could be turned into an icon of organized Abrahamic religion then what's to stop a new-Age modern Saul from doing the same with Nietzsche, or anyone of any repute for that matter?
All it requires is to be adept in linguistic manipulation of human psychology, and the usage of metaphors to twist meaning to a convenient outcome, while ignoring sensually perceived and experienced reality, if and when it contradicts the desired conclusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:42 am

This resistance to post-modernity is dominated, particularly in the US, by the Christian right.
Peterson is a mild example.
There's Milo Yiannopoulos, a self-professed gay Christian, there's David Duke, there's Steven Crowder.
Funny how two Canadians, one a permanent resident of the US, and a Brit are the loudest internet personalities speaking out against the decline of traditionalism.

One positive Nihilistic version competing with another over the 'heart and minds' of the masses.
The average Joe needs a positive message, hope, something to help him cope.

Realism is too harsh....ancient traditions too remote to inspire his superstitious needs.
He needs easy quick answers to dilemma he cannot deal with on his own.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:10 pm

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Peterson is going average shitlib.
Is he under duress?
This guy was supposed to be the centrist intellectual resistance to the identitarian POC revolt and now more so the right.
He's a J-left tool and not that particularly sharp.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:07 am



Sort yourself out, as in, get yourself out the door.

It got me thinking that the individualism peddled by the eternal Anglo Juck type is like the cell in a body. It's not concerned with the well-being of the body, it just does its thing, functions the way it is supposed to function but has no awareness or ambition in regards to the whole.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:20 am

That's exactly it.
American individualism is a shrunken sense of self, to the point of ego.
If we keep in mind that 'self' refers to the sum-total of the past (sum of all nurturing = nature), or what I call spirit, or soul, and ego is the tiny, by comparison, lucid part of a 'self' that 'begins' at birth and 'ends' with death, then we can appreciate the deflated dimensions of what is being sold as ideal.

Such a diminished sense of self is only concerned with pleasure, and its relationships with its immediate neighbours, as well as with what is contained within the temporal dimensions its own life-span represents.  
It has no other interests or cares, or it ought not to think beyond unless it places this beyond "outside" space/time, in fantasy dimensions, and mythological reality.

Dumbing-Down is what I call it. 

It has two immediate recognizable effects.
The first is one of reduction of stress.  
The less possibilities you process the fewer cares you have.
The second is from the point of view of those in power.
This makes of the individual a helpless automaton that can be exploited and manipulated because it has no clue, or is rendered impotent by detaching it from its broader identifiers. 
A foundation that, ironically, can also reduce the stress placed upon the individual.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:45 pm

I like Peterson most of all the jack-offs on the 'right' in America, he still retains the physical expression of what to me is familiar as a main-land European male of considerable beauty and quality of character typical of Caucasians of higher qualities but the man himself is also very feminine in his nature, nurturing; which in his case I think is a sign of his sympathy towards the human condition that he must deeply understand for which he is willing to sacrifice truth and structure. He must be aware of the racial differences and their echoing importance to collectives and entities more than most of us due to his vast experience dealing with these matters both academically as well as practically but the way I see it is that he sees articulating these things of no potentiality for enabling him to make positive impact in the lifes of the people he can reach so he is willing to sacrifice them and his intellectual integrity for the sake of not disturbing the balance in which the 'positive' change can be made to all around him, he is like a girlfriend who discourages you from reacting to something socially unaccaptable happening as you pass the streets; acting out of a will of wanting to preserve life, not its standard and the principles through which it is maintained.
On the other hand...the pretentious morons who thought of him some kind of a potential representative of the 'rightist' politik...knowing that he chose to engage in social-sciences teaching in Canada, Toronto and maintained that position for so long...just shows the degree to which their minds are too polluted with the populist and feminine attitude:they need popular, they need widely accepted, stereotypically intelligent and reputable with an all-encompassing womb that preserves just enough order so they can go about, but not so much that it forces responsibility and harsh consequences. 'We' on the right need no role-models or leaders of that kind, we already have our own bible(Nietszche), our own thinkers(Evola, Spengler, Schmitt, Yockey, Faye, Benoist etc.), our own poets and artists(Wagner, the Ancient Greeks etc.) what we need is consistent quality of people in considerable quantities, something that can't be artificially created by Trump, Milo, Peterson or whoever else, something that isn't in politics power to create, something that must be organically present and can only be guided. I for myself want to draw back and make a life for myself, preserve and create what I can and whilst doing so continue to study, maybe I am wrong about this prognosis.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:46 pm

You are not wrong.
As always you show a sensitivity to detail and a talent for expressing it. 

Truth is we are in a defensive position.
The hoards multiply and become bolder, and there are no frontiers to claim, except internal ones.
What is typical in such circumstances is covert unconventional tactics in this War Like No Other
A dis-ease can only be fought in two ways - immunization, or preventative medicine, and interventional medicine - surgical strikes to save the infected before it perishes.

My own efforts, at my age, have been diagnostic, and the production of immunizations to the mental virus, directed only towards those who have not become entirely lost to the dis-ease. 
The rest are 'lost causes', to put it harshly.  
Un-recyclable, un-salvageable. 

To put it in warfare contexts, immunization is a kind of armour against a virus that uses symbols/words to insert itself in the mind, and then it exploits human anxiety and needs. 

Returning to my current favourite metaphor....the zombification of a host cannot be reverted back to its original health if the virus has been present for a long period of time.
After that the meme has been established in the brain and no amount of evidence, reasoning, arguments, logic will have an effect.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:08 am

I don't really blaim the youngsters my age for this 'alt-right' movement, they(including me)are children(even if in their twenties): maturing in this sheltered age takes much longer and requires one to be willing to voluntarly participate in the process of doing so by creating conditions harsh enough to produce growth and endure them without any external incentive and reward. They are boys being boys so to speak(although a lot of them will remain so indefinately), repressed masculinity expressed online at, what they percieve, to be the source of this emasculation(and they are wrong, since Trump and his kind would want to emasculate males just as much if they didn't need them to be cannon fodder). I and Peterson are very much alike: we both have similar body types, similar hair, similar facial structure and we are extremly high in empathy and are very well mannered and 'good' naturally. I sometimes cry when I see a retard or a deformed;thinking of her but also of the parent that I see with her the night after, there are many poems that I can't read because tears start flowing from my eyes etc. Not too long ago I took a stroll down my area late at night and saw some Turkish fucks spray some spray onto a German Shepherd that was guarding some kind of a warehouse through the fence that it stood and barked at them behind from and had a genuine and deep feeling of resentment and shame towards myself that I didn't intervene and later on that night had nightmares about that chasing that dog and being unable to catch it falling. The difference between me and him is that I am by nature more masculine and don't tolerate cunts(even if acting out of a weakness) and have the ability to become extremly threatening If provoked(I as a kid only fought in defence of my younger and weaker brother who was being robbed by the biggest bully in our school who was 3 years older and much bigger, taking a chunk of his thigh for myself and breaking his nose). I think that difference is what makes him behave the way he does and me behave differently and have opinions that are sometimes ruthless and cold(only stereotypically): there are some kind spirits and fine human beings(whether high or low IQ) but almost all niggers and aliens and increasingly more whites are only slightly above cow shit and I see the effects of their presence on all platforms and planes of my existance and draw the line of my empathy there. They can have their equality and their virtues but on another planet, where they dont shit on mine: If I must chose if its a future of people alike me and their generations to come or theirs its an extremly easy choice for me to make.
Mass politics of the right are dead and gone in the anglo-sphere the way I see it and where there could be a chance of revival of these forms of structure is in the Central and Eastern parts of Europe, but there are many reasons to doubt that possibility. Ultimately the biggest impact one can have is as you say in his most immediate sphere of influence, to try to form a healthy familial unit, raise a family, respect himself and his past, gain financial independence and try to form a mini-clan based on quality around him; any further than that and a heavy compromise on the quality for quantity must be made and one enters a sphere of marketing and psychological manipulation that puts one on a lost position as 'we' lack their tools and audience and our philosophy(although it can be simplified and made more marketable) ultimately pales when compared to theirs, especially where it already bore few generations of people that lived and sacrificied according to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:54 pm

Keeping with the man of the year...here is another great interview with you-know'who...

Identifies Derrida as the 'most dangerous' source of all this post-modern crap imbeciles have latched onto to deal with a world they should not have been born into.
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It's no longer surprising to find the same types behind all this sickness.

Patterns.
Precedent.

It ought not surprise us that Peterson, a fan of Jung, uses Christianity...both being Christians.
The old foes - mother confronted by her daughter she had with a nasty  pagan infidel.
Through Christianity paganism confronts the dis-ease, without triggering the usual defensive tactics of victimhood.
Fall back position for these 'truths' is Christianity. It would be intolerable if it were not.
Through its merger with Judaism, Paganism assaults the memetic virus indirectly, or through Judeo-Christian dogma.

If Atwill got it right, then the Roman method of dealing with the threat is still effective.

We were force fed the racial and homosexual stuff, shutting up when hearing that both were social constructs, but this went too far, touching upon Christian Traditional family values.
Christians are pushing back.
Being part of the same dis-ease makes them less vulnerable to attacks a European pagan, saying exactly the same things, would be exposed to.
Abrahamics, of course, cannot see, or will not accept, that what is happening with this gender madness is part of the same 'logic' being promoted in their dogmas.
Marxism and post-modernity is Abrahamic nihilism pushed to its logical end.
It is consistent with the reasoning in Abrahamic Scripture.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:35 pm



On this subject Peterson shows how wishy-washy his positions are.
Although he does take sides you can see him struggling with the issue because the only reason he can find to reject it is that cultural Marxism is for it.
The lines separating his Abrahamic individualism from the extreme of secular Marxism as blurred.
He falls on the side of Christianity and its family values.
Gay marriage discredits it as it attempts to belong to it, because its version, is corrupted by Marxist ideology that recognizes no identity other than socioeconomic ones.
Abrahamism has made the traditional family a part of its God-centric ideal, where God is the one and only true male and all biological males are his earthly representatives raising his flock in accordance with his will.  
This is unlike the Aryan conception of family which is blood centred, or based on genetic similarities.
In Aryan families the male is the representative of his bloodline, which is shared by all other males - homogeneous - hoimoioi.
He is no different than the leader, in blood and in culture.
Abrahamism replaces this with an idea, and an idea can cross genetic and memetic lines because it refers to nothing outside the brain that could restrict it.
It's a spiritual ideology.
It adopts logos not as a connector to world but as a self-referential subjective way of thinking.
What unites all Abrahamics is their sinfulness, or their imperfection in relation to God.
No other identifier is permitted. Subjugation to the same ideal.

The topic Peterson will not even approach is that of race.
He remains within the sexual because there Abrahamism is making a stand against the insanity of post-modern secular Marxism.
Whatever myths and superstitions Abrahamism propagated it did not dare question male/female categories.

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Peterson is acting like a Christian apologist, which is ironic given his citing of Nietzsche, who was the quintessential critique of that variant of the virus.
He does so through Jung.
He denies that Christianity promotes the 'nice guy' ideal, because this would contradict his entire thesis and would alienate most of his followers who came to him as people who were disgusted by the irrational extreme the Frankfurt School cultural Marxists have taken principles inherent in Abrahamism.
Those that could dismiss race but drew a line on family values constructed on male/female sexual specialization.

He mistakes the inability to adhere to an unnatural, anti-life, dogma for a ideal included in the dogma.
Christianity does not propose any masculine ideal called 'nice guy', though turning the other cheek is part of it.
It proposes a emasculated masculine ideal
A masculinity stripped of its connection to past and the earth - he calls this 'civilized'.
Males in Abrahamism are proxies for the one and only penis permitted to be an authority and to use violence to impose its will.
Women and children belong to it, and biological males are representations of it, or mediating corporeal agencies of its power.
The story of Abraham by itself is evidence of this, but the bible is full of anti-family, in the pagan traditions.
Christ takes his disciples away form their families....this in a time when such a loss would mean a severe depletion of a family's access to resources.  
As recently as in post-war Europe families had huge broods so as to compensate for mortality rats and to work the farms, in a time of no technological multipliers.
Boys were especially valuable, not only because of the man's desire to pass on his 'name' or to make a copy of himself, something not present in judaism with its matrilineal identifiers, but also because males could work the fields, or bring precious resources back to the family home.
The family in Abrahamism is only in relation to god's paternal dominance.
Unlike Aryanism where the male shared genetic and memetic ties with the leader, in Abrahamism all this became noetic...so the genetic factor is immediately excluded leaving only the idea(l), the meme.  
Biological males, in such nihilistic memes is but a representation, and only useful as long as there are no alternatives to be sued as proxies. But with modernity technologies can replace biological males, in everything from acting as providers and protectors, to sexually gratifying the females.
What remains to be resolved in the female's genetic disposition to flesh and blood presence.
Women re easily assimilated but they are also pragmatic. They cannot be totally satisfied by ideologies and abstractions and representations.
They think with their bodies as well as their minds.
The physical is dominant in their judgments.
Although they buy it the nihilistic ideal that males and females are socially constructed as are races, they cannot follow the 'logic' inherent in this presupposition to its logical end.  
They are divided....their mind, consciously, accepting surrendering to the dominant ideology and their body, as past made present, still reacting to primordial judgments, ingrained in their DNA.
They want to pick the 'nice guy' and they often do, for pragmatic rational reasons, but physically they are not satisfied by this choice.
This is what we call the 'feminine mystique'.
Abrahamism promotes the emasculated male, who can be macho to compensate for this fact, but only as a representation of the ONE father/lover, and females born and raised in such traditions sense this no matter how indoctrinated they may be.
Their bodies contradict their minds.
They want to be fucked by the 'bad boy' but loved by the 'nice guy'.
In other words they want to be fucked by God, but they make do with imperfect corporeal representations.

Some if this is what results in the Feminist movement, via Marxism.
Marxism loosens the sexual rules preserving monogamy and promote promiscuity.
Growing up I knew that they best place to find easy women was in Communist conventions....what later became the 'make love not war' movement of the sixties.
An unleashing of repressed feminine repressed energies, later given technological means to escape natural costs - the contraceptive, and the abortion option.
An example of how techniques/technologies corrupt natural process by reducing the risk/costs and permitting or accentuating the benefits - decadence.  
Female promiscuity was good news for sexually repressed males, as well. A man had to marry the female he impregnated, or be killed by her family.    
The joy of sexual liberation, accentuated by technological sheltering, was short lived...as we all know.  
The MRA is the product of an awakening to what had occurred after those early days of exuberance and free-love.
Males realized that technologies gave females a protective shield against their biology but this did not result in an equal distribution of sex and love....the opposite in fact.
Females fell back to primal sexual behaviours but multiplied with no pregnancy cost.

The alpha, or more desirable males got all the 'action' while the majority was left on the periphery, forced to seek out alternative ways of sexual gratification, and giving up on passing on their genes altogether.  
Monogamous marriage, invented as a technology to integrate males into the social system, was no longer effective.
Abrahamism still had an effect, but females opted to not have children at all rather than have them with an inferior, or undesirable male.
Marxism did not care who fathered a child, because when it was born it was under its protection. god was replaced by the Institution, the State.  
In the early days the MRA misdiagnosed this.....presenting a biological fact, like hypergamy, as a devastating insight, blaming women for a natural disposition.
Paternalism was how male and more importantly female sexual promiscuity was harnessed to social rules.  
Without it, and with the additions of new ways to prevent pregnancy, it was males who paid the price, because female power is found in sex.
The majority of males were suddenly excluded, and the MRA types did not understand how, or why, so they accused feminism of conspiring against males.
But the feminine specialized type is a filtering agency evolved for the purpose of selecting and excluding males. To accuse females of hypergamy is to accuse them of being female.  
Here the men's movement shows its own Marxism infection.
They believed that sexual liberation would result in a just distribution of sexual gratification and procreative options....it's the same mistake they made with capital, and resource distributions.  
Marxism, like all nihilistic ideologies, are innately naive, or stunted.  
Instead of seeking the reason for their error in their own judgments, their own ideological perspective, they sought it in others - a conspiracy.
Feminism rises out of Abrahamic, and then Marxist secularized Abrahamism, and the MRA rises as an antithesis, a reaction, still within this paradigm.
Peterson expresses this naivete, selling it as wisdom from within the paradigm that presupposes equal potentials, and not only equal outcomes.
Peterson walks a tight-rope not wanting to speak a 'truth' that would result in the destruction of the entire system, upon which he depends and has built a career.
His "transformed monsters" are 'civilized'. He implies a male that is aggressive but within State imposed limits. A proxy to a State, or the Abrahamic God, that reserves authority and ownership over the females and the children they birth.
Males can be as aggressive, as masculine, as the state allows them to be, and females have to grow-up and choose males using pragmatic criteria.
He must deny the fact that females find 'bad boys' attractive, and only choose 'nice guys' as a fall-back, after they've 'sewn their oats' and have grown a bit 'long in the tooth'.  
Cultural Marxism has erases genetic identifiers, so Peterson wants to return to Abrahamic alternatives to these identifiers.
A world of repressed, or controlled aggression.
Female attraction preserved by males with the 'potential for violence' - male mystification.
Males denying this potential, but always implying it as a possibility.
The coy, famine way of implying possibility for sexual intercourse, to keep the male interested, is now given a male angle.
He can now imply the possibility of violent aggression, to keep the female interested.
Aggression is spiritualized and converted to a divine force - possibility not a probability.
In this way males can step in, risk their lives, die for country and family, and still have the payback of sexual gratification and genetic propagation as a possibility.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:22 am

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:40 am

Patriarchy is code for European males.
Abrahamic 'patriarchy' refers to God, placing all biological males beneath it.
An idea(l) subordinating flesh and blood.
The noetic, detached from the real, and imposing itself no the phenomenon of maleness - its corporeal presence.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:33 pm

And that feminine accusation of 'jealousy', disgusting, I'd love to smash him in his teeth as he was uttering that and kick him in the liver to make him throw-up onto himself. Little rat fucker.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:38 pm

Perhaps he is more of a gatekeeper than a gateway...@16:40

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:53 pm

Good find....I've never seen that clip.
With many of these people you only see them in controlled environments....and do not see them when they are human.
It's when they are revealed and some of the 'magic' goes away.
I think many people idolize dead guys and gals, because they are not present to burst the way they've been portrayed.
Saul took the iconic figure of Jesus and corrupted it - made it into its reverse, if he was a real person.

Now we know why Peterson was allowed to speak freely and to be made into an YouTube idol.
If you don't kiss the master's ass you are not permitted to go further.
I saw this with a Greek politician. He was openly against Jews and then when he apologized he made a run for the leadership of the Conservative party, and is presently second in command.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:01 pm

I guess 'gatekeeper' is a good metaphor.
He is a Christian, the fall back position to Marxism.
Christianity Was Judaism made more pagan for European minds, and Marxism was Abrahamism made more rational for modern, more educated, minds.

It's obvious that the 'right' is now associated with Abrahamic principles,, contrasting with the left's Marxist, post-modernism.
It's a pseudo-debate within the nihilistic paradigm. It gives the illusion that free-thinking is occurring.
It's idealistic clap-trap that soars in the heavens or delves in internal abysses but is detached form reality. It has nothing to do with the real world.
Mind-candy to pass the time, to make a bitter tongue taste sweetness, to suckle on the teet and go back to sleep.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:21 pm



Molyneux is a clown, but sometimes he makes some good vids.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:08 pm



Peterson's "individuality"...American divide and conquer.
Lose yourself in the masses to find yourself in relation to them.
With no past, no heritage, no nature, no spirit.....what's left but mass consumerism and 'turning away' sulking?
There's a war against European males....standing apart is a sure way to become extinct.
Centuries of natural selection erased, absorbed into a uniformity of mediocrity.

What happens to a dog breed that has been bred for intelligence when it is mixed with another than has been bred for speed, or docility, or to point at prey, or when it is mated with a mutt?
What happens to its potentials?



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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm



Peterson, like many others, particularly those dominated by Abrahamic spirituality, always construct theories, their philosophical outlook, with the social factor as a given. They perceive the world from within a social, group, context.
Their insights are always about psychology and how to deal with the presence of others, and how to orient and comport yourself in relation to them.
Hardwired social species cannot help but begin with this frame of mind.
This is an aspect of humanity = world.

I disagree with the idea that humans, as a species is monogamous.
I believe monogamy has been bred into us in the course of over 2,00 years of civilization.
Civilization would be impossible without the invention of this technology, that enforces a restriction on natural promiscuity so as to incorporate as many members, especially males, into the collective.
This is also an indication of what I said before. Thinking begins from the present social development of our species.
The fact that marriages do not last, unless there's a strong paternalistic rule, and that even in cultures where adultery is punished by death and it still occurs, ought to discredit the idea of the human species being naturally inclined towards monogamy.  

The spiritual experience could be an abandonment of self, as order, to the forces of chaos that are also affecting you constantly.
Chaos is irrational, so the individual could feel a deep harmony with order/chaos even while behaving in self-destructive, irrational ways.
The mystical experience can be a contact with what is beyond your ability to comprehend, is above your mental capacity to make sense, of...like for simpletons a genius appears magical....but it could also be an experience  with the incomprehensible because it lacks any order.

Harris goes into the story with the Dobu tribe and how a superstition can still be self-consistent and be radically wrong.
A case of an inferior meme that nevertheless could still offer the individual participating in it some sense of peace and stability.

Harris' Aristotelian mind is coming in conflict with Peterson's more Platonic leanings.

Peterson has tapped into the modern world lack of a mythology.
Mythology offered ancient wisdom to the mediocre mind - it was a way of passing no guidance to idiots, in the form of easy to remember narratives.
This makes him very attractive to men-children who grow up lost in a world with no father-figures, a culture of no culture, and Nihilism detaching them from their heritage, and traditions.
He becomes their shaman. Shamans were the wise men of a tribe. The ones who had inherited the collective wisdom of the tribe, and who knew how different plants and animals behaved, and how to predict seasonal changes. His knowledge seemed magical to the average imbecile.
He was also the source of tribal narratives, told around the camp fire in song and dance.
You can read the adoration of the majority....they crave that missing father-figure, the wise tribal shaman. Someone to help them make sense of a world that bewilders and frightens them.

Harris does a brilliant job with his final spiritual reading of a cooking recipe.
At 1:04:40 he begins by choosing a cook book and reading a recipe at random, and then giving it a gibberish slant, similar to the crap post-modernists do...using words to mystify; using metaphors to exploit the desperate and the needy...
Word-porn...mental-masturbation.
It shows on what kind of linguistic bullshit Abrahamism is built around and how a desperate mind can be manipulated with prose and metaphors.   
Cow flatulence can be spun into a spiritual echos from the depths of the intestinal abyss. The earth screaming through the cows digestive system.  

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I find it particularly interesting that Peterson, like so many others, even though a Christian can still include Nietzsche in his list of intellectuals he was inflected by.
His romantic idealism and prose leaves much to the imagination, permitting his integration into almost any world-view.
If he can be integrated int Christianity which he offered such vitriolic critiques against, then his aphoristic literati style, and metaphorical narratives can be integrated into a variety of other philosophies.

Only Peterson could have been tolerated as a challenger of post-modernity.
Harris has no problem with it...or at least not enough to make him combative.
Marxism could only be challenges by Abrahamism, at this point in our decay.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:29 pm



We see feminism more and more being redefined and repackaged by the female intellectuals who latch onto these new right male thinkers, under the same premises but with different platitudes. The woman PhD psychoanalyst is an example of that. She espouses the same absurdity of female empowerment, that feminism is based on, but under the banner of ‘psychological spiritualism’, rather than politics, as if injecting it with mysticism will absolve it of the far-left leaning grotesqueries it is plagued with. Even the women who are more intellectually aware to reject radical forms of feminism still cling to the idea of their sexual freedom within the system that provides it for them. Just the other side of the same coin.

Their advocacy for classic liberalism or strong liberalism is merely a proposition for a political reform of the same problem that is like a germ only being medicated but not cured; a “Prozac nation” of sentimentalism is what they all agree is the solution. No real wisdom involved, just a healthy motivation of telling yourself that you can take control of your life. A bunch of self-help shit for generations of weaklings, including themselves.

Trump was a resurgence of the old code of familial liberalism, so Peterson is a resurgence of old pacifist attitudes and ideologies that contributed to the rise of liberalism. Both phenomenons distinct to their time and place. He needs to just go back to the fuckin classroom and teach his psychology curriculums. Stay out of philosophy.
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