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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:48 am

I think mostly it's to do with their knowledge that they'd be pretty terrible at playing such a game and the resulting hierarchies would be unsuitable/uncomfortable for them. They're so gaslighted by the propaganda against the thousand year history of their origin countries being moderately successful monarchies, think like an idiot that 'the free market' has never been tried (America wasn't a real minimalist state!) or are socialist liberals  with a bugaboo of when they're targeted by the victim industry as oppressors instead of 'the real oppressors'. Most likely the latter; I went from gun-banning Democrat to Libertarian to Voluntaryist to whatever's here.

The conservative side mostly approaches it from a Christian perspective and don't care if they're stolen from or their rights trampled on, because 'the real reward is in heaven'. Unless (in America) the 'demanding' is popular and easy, uncontroversial, or you propose banning the second or first amendment, then they start caring. Actually, they probably only protest a destruction of the first and second amendment because of its uncontroversiality.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Ironic that this is the guy Peterson keep referring to...

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:49 pm


How could anybody come up with the idea that their identity is somehow related with their ancestors?
That's so not earned, totally unjust, no money transaction has taken place, no moral authority at the university was contacted about this. So how can this even be called real.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:03 pm

Time began when I was born. Time ends when I die. I am all that is.
That's part of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:10 pm

apaosha wrote:
Time began when I was born. Time ends when I die. I am all that is.
That's part of it.

But I will still conveniently indulge in the fruits of my ancestor's labors because technologies are the only inheritance allowed. Pride? No, thats reserved for the chosen.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:38 pm

Identity is not earned.
One does not have to pass an exam, or a test, to belong to a family or a ethnicity or a race....or a species.

Feeling pride about the accomplishments of one's won tribe is an affirmation of the genetic potentials one shares.
It doesn't mean the individual is the equal of the ones who accomplished, but that his genes have a potential....which he may not have cultivated or inherited its highest strain....because within species there are sub-species and within sub-species there are blood lines.
Human - Race - Family
Hierarchies all the way.

Being proud of the accomplishments of the human species does not mean you believe you are the equal fo its highest manifestations in any field.
Species hierarchies place the homo sapient above other species....and within the species races there are hierarchies in all traits.....and within races there are family bloodlines with their own hierarchies.

Inheritance, genetics, means inherited potentials.
We are inspired by those who have attained a pinnacle because it reveals to us a possible potential.
A black guy is proud of Bolt's speed not because he can run that fast but because the common genes reveal a potential.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:57 am



There are more of these Grug memes, fun stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:26 pm




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Chaos/Order....and where they interact is the only place the Will can express its terrifying freedom, with a choice, from among the determined options.
Free-Will emerges in that ephemeral moment, and it is tiny, when compared to the totality of (inter)activity but it suffices to determine destiny by increments.
Each choice determining the next set of options...whether it is the choice with the lest resistance, the easiest, the intuitive, instinctive, animal choice....taking the path-of-least-resistance, abandoning yourself to hedonism and fatalism, or will it dare to take the path-of-more-resistance determined by the aggregate energies available to the individual and the amount of suffering ti is willing to risk.

Political-Correctness is about warping language...using [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to manipulate and direct thinking.
This is straight out of the Abrahamic playbook.
Marxists made it a science.

This is psychology proper...not the psychobabble and psychoanalytical crap they offer....that is useless.
When the machine is broken, the hardware is warped, the software will not run properly no matter how many updates or software corrections you manufacture.
Psychology is effective on the collective level...the species level, the racial level, because ti deals with the average within a population, and how this evolved over centuries of interacting within environments.
The individual can be more easily controlled through his participation in a group. It is about the deepest reptilian, primal parts of his psyche, that has evolved into a social instincts, a desire to belong and to depend upon others...it's about survival.


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Harris claims to be empirical but then denies the relevance of racial and sexual differences....what looks different, is, suddenly, not so.
Something even a simple animal can recognize, he dismisses as irrelevant because ti threatens his 'well-being' which is tied up in humanism, and the technological system, requiring masses to be maintained.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:43 pm




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One, a secular Jew, in line with the folks that gave us Marxism, and post-modernism, and the other a proud European Christian.
Already we know this will begin by taking the common ground, of Nihilism, for granted a.k.a. Modernity.
And they do. They begin by agreeing that there are such things are good and evil, although Harris changes the language and may call them good and bad, alluding to it as 'well-being'.
But, one man's well-being is another man's unwell being.
They both fail to discipline their language to what surrounds them....reality.
Harris comes close but he never does so, wanting to preserve the idea that 'slavery' is inherently 'bad', or 'immoral', because he cannot make the point in its defence.
Even well-being is dependent on environmental circumstances. the only thing that changed, compared to past, when it was in the individual's best interest to have slaves, is the environment - exploding populations, shrinking resources, and the necessity for cohabitation.
Memes, like genes, adapt to environment....and so does art, language more precisely.

The only way to evaluate claims, or the words used to describe them, and represent them, is by the outcome. The costs/benefits. These remain indifferent to expectations, idealism, hope, evaluations, acknowledgement or even awareness.

Who is this 'everyone'? They accept universals, as if they've haven't.

No, Harris, "the worse possible misery for EVERYONE" is a non-existent state.
Theoretically the 'worse possible' (absolute) case for 'everyone' (absolute).
Not surprising that this is where they reach an agreement.
The reason people did the "worse possible things in defence of their beliefs" Peterson, is that for them they were NOT the worse possible things.

'Facts' refer to relationships....also called meaning. They are not absolute because relationships alter.
Absolute facts only exist in the human brain because only there do they never change, but remain ambiguous enough to amendable to change.
Outside the mind all is in flux, so you never refer to the same phenomena relating....all changes...so you refer to a slightly modified relationship that, nevertheless, remains approximately accurate if the change has not been large enough.

Pagans did not give a shit about what others believed. They never proselytized.
Why?
Because their beliefs had tangible consequences. In the end the belief harmed or benefited the believer, and no one else.
Only Nihilists insist on converting others...because their dogmas are entirely linguistic, and have no contact with reality. Their ideologies live or die by how many also accept them as absolute truths.
This was not the case for the Greeks.
But things have changed. Now we live in a contained environment where the other's error also an impact on your welfare. So, you van no longer tolerate and ignore.
The retard's retardation affects all....because the system insists on it.

God, in the Abrahamic Nihilistic paradigm, represents the continuum of a tribe, or of humanity.
For this reason it is conceptualized as anthropomorphic, conscious, and 'good'.  It refers and defers to survival.
This is why men are identified as copies of God - 'in his image'.
DNA = God.

What answers is conscience...or the self...not the ego.
The body, made up of billions of cells, is alive and it stores memories and it communicated with the brain, not only through dreams, but through intuitions, gut feelings, or that voice in your head.
Brain interprets both the external and the internal data. There it synthesizes.
But the internal data has no language, to semiotics, so it uses what it finds in the mind.

'Infinite numbers of interpretations' is only a problem, in a post-modern memetic environment, because humanism insists of mitigating between the individual and the consequences of the application of his interpretation.
This is what creates the bullshyte 'conundrums' some imbeciles are trapped in, in regards to morality.  

Then they agree that there ARE moral universals. They acknowledge their shared acceptance of the Nihilistic paradigm as their starting premise. Otherwise they would not ever agree to discuss anything,especially not in front of a crowd of the like-minded...the zombie masses - cheering and hollering.
Protons 'work everywhere', other than the absolutism, is because it is the mind that is interpreting the same patterns interacting, in the only way it has evolved to conceptualize the world.

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Fact refers to the mental map that is useful in representing an external geography. It has utility that is testable.
Fact refers to relationships.
The value of the fact depends on the goal, the intent one can place within this map, measured by the consequences in moving towards it.
Something has value only in relation to a goal, an ideal, an intent.

Now, it's an ancient wisdom the fact that living organisms use self as the standard, even if unconscionably, or instinctively, because tan simple organism's only intent, its primary one, is survival.
Self-preservation works with no conscious intervention, required. The organism is attracted by what resembles the elements in its organic body.

This is an evolution to the attraction/repulsion forces, relating to how patterns harmonize, manifesting as a increase or a decrease in friction, in attraction/repulsion, based on their oscillating patterns.

Then man evolved to overcome the temporally shallow immediacy of these simple processes.  By projecting in time, his ideals, his goals, acquired a quality that contradicted the immediate.
It was placed above even survival.

Then they openly admit that they all agree on absolute morality.
We now know why they are in dialogue.
Two sides of the same bi-polar paradigm:
Pure Nihilism, <> Positive Nihilism. They are debating over which positive Nihilistic ideology is the 'best'.

It's taken for granted that Aztec sacrifice of humans is 'bad', because humanism is their shared ideology.
World means Humanity.
They are unable to think outside this paradigm....and be objective. They start from a humanistic prejudice, declaring it a universal.  
They dabble in objectivity when they apply moral relativism, and how rescuing your own child is ingrained in us.....but refuse to go outside the premises of humanism.
Humans are the sacred, the divine....the God.
Peterson, projects it as an external ideal, an absolute God, and Harris claims it as an intrinsic truth, he calls rational.

If the price for 'going to Mars' is the loss of our soul, then I would say it's a price too high to pay. Though how one would get there, by watering down the very spirit that can get there, is something the anti-racists must explain, along with how they propose that speciation works if no intermediate sub-species is permitted to be more than a 'social construct', and 'evil'.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:58 am


This guy is kind of a psychology professor?
As long as those "radical" elements on the left don't have a Jordan Peterson of their own who convincingly tells them that losing is morally good and winning is morally bad, they won't feel deprived of anything morally if their opponents lose.

When Christianity spread around Europe they must have been low-key Christians, first and foremost they were weak members of the tribe who you were supposed to have sympathy for as a fellow tribesman. They were not Christian, they were like your brother who needed sympathy and support. Only later, when weakness and victimhood had gained a moral high standing would the Christian identity become assertive in being the best at being and supporting the morally superior, namely the weak and the "victims".
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:05 am

There are those in America who are more honest about certain implications of Abraham-ism. They actually believe you have to be a victim of something and you have to be weak to be deserving of your moral status as the poor victim. They are like the mix of Germanic tribesmen and Abrahamic theology. Trying to somehow make this morality work for them.

Then there are those who have declared themselves victim and weak, defined themselves as such, no matter whether or not they actually are low or high on the social/economical ladder.
They are the eternal Abrahamic types.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:06 am

The victims feel more victimized, and it will produce a backlash.
There's nothing more unruly and insane than a manimal that feels corned and threatened.

First lesson I learned was never corner a cat....it'll go straight for the eyes.

Nihilistic inversion means that being weak and vulnerable is now defined as being strong and powerful in your self-righteousness.
Weakness is the new 'strength' so all claim it with pride.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:07 pm


-Yet, we can judge an ideology not only by what it has done, relative to what it promises to do, especially when it has never achieved what it promises, in its own dogma.
We can't judge an ideology on its theory, because its theory may be unrealistic, naive, wrong, and can only remain 'perfect' as a theory that can never be applied.
In the case of both Marxism and Christianity we have two such theories dealing with their inability to practice what thy preach, and to excuse themselves from what they have practised by blaming others.
-Yet, 'inequality' is not a Capitalist invention, but is part of nature, and Evolution Theory. If there is anything to hold accountable for 'inequality' it is nature itself. Capitalism did not make 'inequality go away', because it bases its own theories on its perpetuation but also because it could not make it 'go away' even if it wanted to....and anyone who promises such a naive possibility is lying to itself.
'Envy' is no more a 'negative' emotion than is 'hatred' or 'love'. Envy is healthy if it leads to overcoming, and only 'bad' when it is used to stagnate and to blame, like Marxism and Christianity does...as well as Abrahamism the spiritual source.
If we delve deeper the origins of envy is self-awareness and the mental ability to juxtapose 'self' against 'other', a product of emerging self-consciousness.
Any reaction emotion, is 'negative' when it has negative consequences, and not because it is innately so.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:23 am

Stay in the Wolff - Peterson dichotomy there, goy.

The Alt-Right should build up their own controlled opposition as well - the 40K Space Marines who want to cleanse the planet and then they can be the moderates who just want to cleanse certain areas from the infestation.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:31 pm

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I, highly, recommend a thorough reading to enjoy the vitriolic Peterson bashing.
The author is a 'hater', jealous of Peteson's success.
All the goy wants is to help people, and bring about a 'better' world' for all.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:46 pm

I need to read up on that Paul Reé guy.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:44 am

Yesterday night the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) had a documentary on Peterson, and the entire story of his rising into prominence.
I got to see his two kids and his wife - she had nature features.

Got to thinking about the nature of fame, in our times.
He was like a pop-song, or fArtist, who rises in fame, his song being played on every radio station, once every hour, and then it fades away, replaced by a new tune, only sung by a few fanatic followers.
Cult of celebrity.
Was he a 'flash in the pan,' a 'one hit wonder'...or does he promise a second run?
He did draw attention to the insanity hidden within the 'logic' of Nihilism, including his Abrahamic brand (Christian), and his idealization of individualism.
He expressed the Christian 'red line', of sex/gender, as the only disapproval of the ideology.
The Cold War being re-fought....or was it ever completely over?
Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox) versus Marxism.
An internal struggle over the heart & minds of the idiotic feminized flock of degenerates.
We saw how he pulled back from going over the 'line'.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:11 am

apaosha wrote:
I need to read up on that Paul Reé guy.

Paul Reeeeeeeeeé.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:33 am


[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...how could he not have been a Jew?
The plot thickens...suddenly we begin to understand Nieatzsche's reluctance.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...how could she have been anything but Russian, and a female acting as a catalyst?
A bohemian, with loose sexual morals...attracted to 'gifted' males, with few sexual experiences.


Her brow says it all.

Human, all too Human.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:06 pm


Peterson shares his understanding of 'logos' with other Christian apologists, like Jones.
For them 'logos' is God speaking through individual manifestations of his, oneness.
In the end, logos will work itself out, through dialogue.
Let's ignore the insinuation that alludes toe existence as a 'game, a hoax, a ploy to entertain a Divine one-mind.
it's the same allusion contained in the rejection of free-will: what would be the purpose of higher cognition if all was determined. The motive of non-competing the other only makes anything exceeding it absurd, and it also implies that life is the telos, the goal.
All of it has a common underlying belief that claims that all of existence is a elaborate game, a meaningless ploy, that really amounts to nothing, since it is only to entertain some benevolent universal conciousness.
Death, torture, nothing anyone does really means anything, because it is already predetermined, and we are helpless observers, or its God having fun with himself - masturbating.
We are various mouthpieces of his singular voice, trying to find our way back to the unity, which can be described as a multiplicity, because who can truly understand the divine.....there's always a missing element, a nil, helping us to claim anything and everything, by dismissing anything and everything.
If there is no absolute evidence, then any hypothesis, no matter how absurd, is equally possible.
At that point of delusion we can based our convictions of personal taste, hedonism....anything other than the experienced.

Anarchists, or anarcho-capitalists, fail to see the Abrahamic dogma underlying their conviction that if you permit everything then all will work itself out, because there's an underlying 'goodness' to people, to existence...a secret power that always manages to settle things down to where all benefit....or goodness and justice finds its way to the top.
I actually came across an anarcho-capitalsits that claimed that morality would self-regulate the system where no State existed, and then mocked me when I told him he was a crypto-Christian still holding no to an interpretation of morality that is distinctly Abrahamic.

Peterson doesn't hide his Christian belief, and Jones flaunts it.
Both approach 'logos' from the belief that God is in dialogue with Himself, through his flock, his human minions.
Their Bible places it in the beginning, as the first, before existence itself.
I guess we can understand how a product of existence, and its patterns, can perceive patterns as the Divine whispering to it, through words, which are representation of them.
But that assumes that there is no randomness, or chaos is an occult order....a secret part of the word of God, man has yet to decipher.
It ignores the confrontational aspect of existing within Flux, forcing the organism to struggle to maintain itself within a cosmos that made it possible, explaining it as part of an ascent towards Godliness....a game in other words.
If we are god playing with himself, then our existence is a joke; if we are god manifesting Himself, then our end is near, for when the God finalizes we are no longer necessary; if we are representations of god then what a feeble, imperfect, god he/she/it is.
So, needy, and easily bored...so alone.

But what if none of that was true....but was only the bewildered, desperate musings of a consciousness becoming self-conscious, wondering where to go from there, or how to cope with its self-awareness?
What if this growing conciousness of self, exposes it to uncertainty, and how it compares to otherness, making it wish it could return to unconsciousness, wanting to return to infancy, under the care of a mysterious benevolent parent, terrified of the uncertainty, accusing those who expose it to reality of 'fear'?
What if it is scared of the enormity of its own culpability, given how uncertain and ignorant it is?

What if this is part of growing-up: advancing from conciousness, of other, to consciousness of self, and then?
Consciousness of self, conscious of self?
Is our ascent towards maturity an ascent from the subjective towards the objective, when we can finally perceive ourselves, within world, from the third-persona perspective?
Could this be divine?

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:02 pm


Both are partly correct.
Competence, not power, is how males display....power is simply a by-product of it.
Capitalism preserves what competence achieves, and that is 'power' based.
Females were dominated so as to make civilization possible, and so were males, to a degree.
What was 'dominated' was sexual expression, and natural promiscuity. This was more dis-empowering to females because they're 'power' is derived through sex, because they control the more precious ovum and chose who got to fertilize it.
This was necessary to integrates more males turning them from dangerous 'free-radicals, to invested members.
But with the gain the males also accepted the risks and the costs.

Without Paternalism families are destroyed, the very institution is made irrelevant, and it releases males back to being un-invested, free-radicals.
A symptom of decline and the sign of inevitable cultural implosion.
Technologies can compensate but not entirely.
Without male investment, there is no creativity in the arts, in technologies, because only males are motivated to prove their worthiness by thinking-outside the conventional box, whereas females are interested in preserving it.
The problem with socialism and its redistribution of wealth is that it promotes the reproduction of sub-standard genes, which increase gradually leading to decline.
The Marxist delusion that differences in intelligence are produced by social conditions, is why Communism failed and continues to fail.

The feminist then makes the astounding comment that 'technologies' like the contraceptive and tampons ought to be provided to make females 'equal participants'.
This means that nature is the source of inequality and man ought to invent methods to 'correct' nature and her injustices.
And nature made males bigger stronger, and one can argue smarter, but she would not ever accept the last, because it is less obvious and so can be denied.
Here 'nil' can help her dismiss the possibility on the grounds that she is unconvinced, lacking absolute evidence.
As long as omniscience is absent all sorts of things can be denied until the absolute is provided.
Subjectivity offers the delusion of believing that if you remain unconvinced then the idea is negated...as if it requires compliance or a majority vote to become 'real'.
This is another common trait among desperate degenerates...this idea that if they remain sceptical, or in denial, then the hypothesis they despise, and secretly fear, can never be 'true'. universal consent is required for an idea to be 'true', and so it can only be imposed by force, or attained by making concessions - reality is democratic, just as human beings are innately moral if not 'corrupted' by nasty evil people.  
Suspect

Peterson drops the ball with Feminization' and why 'women change their names'.
He wants to avoid agreeing with the altr-right that he resorts to just claiming to 'not know'.
Women were used to make family alliances and they did change families when they married.
His position on monogamy is also idealistic.
He could not tell her that monogamy is prof that not only females were oppressed, by paternalism, but so were males.
Family and marriage and monogamy are technologies invented to make civilization possible.
Self-oppression, sometimes built on self-deceit is fundamental in making this technique work...and it is increasingly failing to work.

I liked how he tried to make her defensive by psychoanalysing her.
She turns the tables on him when she challenges him to 'read' her....and she offers an unconventional opinion for a feminist, like her.
To be fair, with Peterson, it's hard to 'read' someone, with one sitting, especially when the other is defensive.
The conversation then settles to a more comfortable mutual respect, after he's fought-off her aggressive insinuating questions and she's defended against his patronizing her typical Feminism.

Towards the end they get into the alt-right and Nietzsche...
This response came to mind:
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When he names Dostoevsky, as his favourite author, it made the commentary more ironic.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:51 am

I have heard rumours that Peterson's wife or ex-wife is a member of the tribe (and so would be his daughter).
At heart he is left leaning but he also has a conservative streak, so he prefers the kind of left and social norms of his younger years.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:17 am

She looked Native in my eyes.
High cheek-bones, hair etc.
He's 'left' but disagrees with the madness his own belief system inevitably leads to, according to its own 'logic'.
All this identity crap is based on the Christian belief in a soul, and the dogma that all are 'equal' beneath God.
He wants to return to an earlier version that worked.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:41 am

The need to control other is rooted in insecurity, and vulnerability seeking relief in the exploitation of the other's weaknesses.
It inadvertently admits its insecurity, like when you reach for something you reveal a need/desire.

When one fears he cannot compete he dreams of changing the rules, or tries to handicap the opponent reducing the challenge.

The cunning of a feminine mind, uses words, innuendo, psychological means to compensate for physical and mental inferiority. This compensation produces specialized advantages....such as the feminine superiority in language, and in psychological manipulation.
Feebleness must develop a niche strategy.

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