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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:48 am

I think mostly it's to do with their knowledge that they'd be pretty terrible at playing such a game and the resulting hierarchies would be unsuitable/uncomfortable for them. They're so gaslighted by the propaganda against the thousand year history of their origin countries being moderately successful monarchies, think like an idiot that 'the free market' has never been tried (America wasn't a real minimalist state!) or are socialist liberals  with a bugaboo of when they're targeted by the victim industry as oppressors instead of 'the real oppressors'. Most likely the latter; I went from gun-banning Democrat to Libertarian to Voluntaryist to whatever's here.

The conservative side mostly approaches it from a Christian perspective and don't care if they're stolen from or their rights trampled on, because 'the real reward is in heaven'. Unless (in America) the 'demanding' is popular and easy, uncontroversial, or you propose banning the second or first amendment, then they start caring. Actually, they probably only protest a destruction of the first and second amendment because of its uncontroversiality.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:29 pm

Ironic that this is the guy Peterson keep referring to...

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:49 pm


How could anybody come up with the idea that their identity is somehow related with their ancestors?
That's so not earned, totally unjust, no money transaction has taken place, no moral authority at the university was contacted about this. So how can this even be called real.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:03 pm

Time began when I was born. Time ends when I die. I am all that is.
That's part of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:10 pm

apaosha wrote:
Time began when I was born. Time ends when I die. I am all that is.
That's part of it.

But I will still conveniently indulge in the fruits of my ancestor's labors because technologies are the only inheritance allowed. Pride? No, thats reserved for the chosen.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:38 pm

Identity is not earned.
One does not have to pass an exam, or a test, to belong to a family or a ethnicity or a race....or a species.

Feeling pride about the accomplishments of one's won tribe is an affirmation of the genetic potentials one shares.
It doesn't mean the individual is the equal of the ones who accomplished, but that his genes have a potential....which he may not have cultivated or inherited its highest strain....because within species there are sub-species and within sub-species there are blood lines.
Human - Race - Family
Hierarchies all the way.

Being proud of the accomplishments of the human species does not mean you believe you are the equal fo its highest manifestations in any field.
Species hierarchies place the homo sapient above other species....and within the species races there are hierarchies in all traits.....and within races there are family bloodlines with their own hierarchies.

Inheritance, genetics, means inherited potentials.
We are inspired by those who have attained a pinnacle because it reveals to us a possible potential.
A black guy is proud of Bolt's speed not because he can run that fast but because the common genes reveal a potential.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:57 am



There are more of these Grug memes, fun stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:26 pm




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Chaos/Order....and where they interact is the only place the Will can express its terrifying freedom, with a choice, from among the determined options.
Free-Will emerges in that ephemeral moment, and it is tiny, when compared to the totality of (inter)activity but it suffices to determine destiny by increments.
Each choice determining the next set of options...whether it is the choice with the lest resistance, the easiest, the intuitive, instinctive, animal choice....taking the path-of-least-resistance, abandoning yourself to hedonism and fatalism, or will it dare to take the path-of-more-resistance determined by the aggregate energies available to the individual and the amount of suffering ti is willing to risk.

Political-Correctness is about warping language...using [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to manipulate and direct thinking.
This is straight out of the Abrahamic playbook.
Marxists made it a science.

This is psychology proper...not the psychobabble and psychoanalytical crap they offer....that is useless.
When the machine is broken, the hardware is warped, the software will not run properly no matter how many updates or software corrections you manufacture.
Psychology is effective on the collective level...the species level, the racial level, because ti deals with the average within a population, and how this evolved over centuries of interacting within environments.
The individual can be more easily controlled through his participation in a group. It is about the deepest reptilian, primal parts of his psyche, that has evolved into a social instincts, a desire to belong and to depend upon others...it's about survival.


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Harris claims to be empirical but then denies the relevance of racial and sexual differences....what looks different, is, suddenly, not so.
Something even a simple animal can recognize, he dismisses as irrelevant because ti threatens his 'well-being' which is tied up in humanism, and the technological system, requiring masses to be maintained.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:43 pm




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One, a secular Jew, in line with the folks that gave us Marxism, and post-modernism, and the other a proud European Christian.
Already we know this will begin by taking the common ground, of Nihilism, for granted a.k.a. Modernity.
And they do. They begin by agreeing that there are such things are good and evil, although Harris changes the language and may call them good and bad, alluding to it as 'well-being'.
But, one man's well-being is another man's unwell being.
They both fail to discipline their language to what surrounds them....reality.
Harris comes close but he never does so, wanting to preserve the idea that 'slavery' is inherently 'bad', or 'immoral', because he cannot make the point in its defence.
Even well-being is dependent on environmental circumstances. the only thing that changed, compared to past, when it was in the individual's best interest to have slaves, is the environment - exploding populations, shrinking resources, and the necessity for cohabitation.
Memes, like genes, adapt to environment....and so does art, language more precisely.

The only way to evaluate claims, or the words used to describe them, and represent them, is by the outcome. The costs/benefits. These remain indifferent to expectations, idealism, hope, evaluations, acknowledgement or even awareness.

Who is this 'everyone'? They accept universals, as if they've haven't.

No, Harris, "the worse possible misery for EVERYONE" is a non-existent state.
Theoretically the 'worse possible' (absolute) case for 'everyone' (absolute).
Not surprising that this is where they reach an agreement.
The reason people did the "worse possible things in defence of their beliefs" Peterson, is that for them they were NOT the worse possible things.

'Facts' refer to relationships....also called meaning. They are not absolute because relationships alter.
Absolute facts only exist in the human brain because only there do they never change, but remain ambiguous enough to amendable to change.
Outside the mind all is in flux, so you never refer to the same phenomena relating....all changes...so you refer to a slightly modified relationship that, nevertheless, remains approximately accurate if the change has not been large enough.

Pagans did not give a shit about what others believed. They never proselytized.
Why?
Because their beliefs had tangible consequences. In the end the belief harmed or benefited the believer, and no one else.
Only Nihilists insist on converting others...because their dogmas are entirely linguistic, and have no contact with reality. Their ideologies live or die by how many also accept them as absolute truths.
This was not the case for the Greeks.
But things have changed. Now we live in a contained environment where the other's error also an impact on your welfare. So, you van no longer tolerate and ignore.
The retard's retardation affects all....because the system insists on it.

God, in the Abrahamic Nihilistic paradigm, represents the continuum of a tribe, or of humanity.
For this reason it is conceptualized as anthropomorphic, conscious, and 'good'.  It refers and defers to survival.
This is why men are identified as copies of God - 'in his image'.
DNA = God.

What answers is conscience...or the self...not the ego.
The body, made up of billions of cells, is alive and it stores memories and it communicated with the brain, not only through dreams, but through intuitions, gut feelings, or that voice in your head.
Brain interprets both the external and the internal data. There it synthesizes.
But the internal data has no language, to semiotics, so it uses what it finds in the mind.

'Infinite numbers of interpretations' is only a problem, in a post-modern memetic environment, because humanism insists of mitigating between the individual and the consequences of the application of his interpretation.
This is what creates the bullshyte 'conundrums' some imbeciles are trapped in, in regards to morality.  

Then they agree that there ARE moral universals. They acknowledge their shared acceptance of the Nihilistic paradigm as their starting premise. Otherwise they would not ever agree to discuss anything,especially not in front of a crowd of the like-minded...the zombie masses - cheering and hollering.
Protons 'work everywhere', other than the absolutism, is because it is the mind that is interpreting the same patterns interacting, in the only way it has evolved to conceptualize the world.

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Fact refers to the mental map that is useful in representing an external geography. It has utility that is testable.
Fact refers to relationships.
The value of the fact depends on the goal, the intent one can place within this map, measured by the consequences in moving towards it.
Something has value only in relation to a goal, an ideal, an intent.

Now, it's an ancient wisdom the fact that living organisms use self as the standard, even if unconscionably, or instinctively, because tan simple organism's only intent, its primary one, is survival.
Self-preservation works with no conscious intervention, required. The organism is attracted by what resembles the elements in its organic body.

This is an evolution to the attraction/repulsion forces, relating to how patterns harmonize, manifesting as a increase or a decrease in friction, in attraction/repulsion, based on their oscillating patterns.

Then man evolved to overcome the temporally shallow immediacy of these simple processes.  By projecting in time, his ideals, his goals, acquired a quality that contradicted the immediate.
It was placed above even survival.

Then they openly admit that they all agree on absolute morality.
We now know why they are in dialogue.
Two sides of the same bi-polar paradigm:
Pure Nihilism, <> Positive Nihilism. They are debating over which positive Nihilistic ideology is the 'best'.

It's taken for granted that Aztec sacrifice of humans is 'bad', because humanism is their shared ideology.
World means Humanity.
They are unable to think outside this paradigm....and be objective. They start from a humanistic prejudice, declaring it a universal.  
They dabble in objectivity when they apply moral relativism, and how rescuing your own child is ingrained in us.....but refuse to go outside the premises of humanism.
Humans are the sacred, the divine....the God.
Peterson, projects it as an external ideal, an absolute God, and Harris claims it as an intrinsic truth, he calls rational.

If the price for 'going to Mars' is the loss of our soul, then I would say it's a price too high to pay. Though how one would get there, by watering down the very spirit that can get there, is something the anti-racists must explain, along with how they propose that speciation works if no intermediate sub-species is permitted to be more than a 'social construct', and 'evil'.

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