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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Its simple to spot these intellectual charlatans. All you have to do is evoke the subjects of Race, War, and the subjugation of women and watch them squirm and writhe.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:14 pm

The dogma is institutionally founded....save all....all must be saved.
All must survive, no matter what.
All ought to be saved.
Salvation for all.
This translates to...all are lovable, all are valuable...or ought to be.
Application: the weakest, the slowest, is the one dictating the pace.
All slow down to accommodate the slowest.
Slowness is kindness...a virtue.
In time the group loses its ability to run faster.
The adjustment produces a new level of slowness, which has to be accommodated.

The process declines.....further and further down.
In this age technologies are supposed to compensate for this decline.
Google geniuses, women given weaponry, education teaching how to imitate, follow recipes wit no personal contribution....by the book, for the book.
The chosen are the children of the book. Symbols/Language identifying them.

The word is how one can become god....words are the way to god - logos.
No need to prove yourself, you can simply memorize and regurgitate....manipulate words, or be trained how to do so....technique/technology.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:28 pm



Harris' critique, along the lines of my own Nihilistic based linguistics.
Peterson, as a Christian, offers a defence of Abrahamism.
He makes the crude rebuttal that Harris is 'acting out the principles he claims not to believe.....implying that the only reason men do not kill and rape and steal is because of fear of god....an Abrahamic god.
By that reasoning the only reason wolves do not tar each other apart is because they, also, follow the Abrahamic code.

Romanticism indeed.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:56 pm

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Harris' critique, along the lines of my own Nihilistic based linguistics.
Peterson, as a Christian, offers a defence of Abrahamism.  
He makes the crude rebuttal that Harris is 'acting out the principles he claims not to believe.....implying that the only reason men do not kill and rape and steal is because of fear of god....an Abrahamic god.
By that reasoning the only reason wolves do not tar each other apart is because they, also, follow the Abrahamic code.

Romanticism indeed.

I expect 'SJWs' to have the same explanation if they're told they're acting on Abrahamic principles. The only difference I could see would be that 'SJWs' somehow commit themselves in a way Harris wouldn't, or doesn't. I don't see a lot of difference between Harris's atheist 'ethics' and 'SJWs'. It appears to be the same attitude of not even considering the origins of their behavior in Christianity. This doesn't mean it's the only reason one would behave some way, but I don't see how Harris would be any different.

A difference in approach and sense (Frege) between a Pagan not killing for selfish reasons (while being honest to himself about it) and an atheist that concocts reasons while pretending it's something 'deeper'.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:13 pm

Harris is a rational liberal.
Atheist.
He exposes Peterson's theism and linguistic tricks.
Peterson and him are in agreement on everything except one sues theism and the other thinks of it in pragmatic terms.

Peterson is a return to an earlier version of the same virus....Harris is more Modern.
Christians are the only ones permitted to challenge the Modern, SJW crap.
Like with MGTOW....they were only opposed to the male/female merger....they were males inspired by feminist methods. They agreed that Paternalism was the enemy.
Naive enough to think that women could be reasoned with, or pressured by pouting.
They are nihilists. They thought 'freedom' meant a sharing, or justice....because man has no nature and is all nurturing, all a social construct....upbringing.
Naive.....like all Marxists and Abrahamics. They dismissed the only thing that could save them, and denied the only thing that could explain female promiscuity and the exclusion of most males - male expendabiltiy, as they called it.
So dumb they thought hypergamy was a great insight and perhaps some also thought it was a female conspiracy.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:30 pm



We see feminism more and more being redefined and repackaged by the female intellectuals who latch onto these new right male thinkers, under the same premises but with different platitudes. The woman PhD psychoanalyst in that video is an example of that. She espouses the same absurdity of female empowerment, that feminism is based on, but under the banner of ‘psychological spiritualism’, rather than politics, as if injecting it with mysticism will absolve it of the far-left leaning grotesqueries it is plagued with. Even the women who are more intellectually aware to reject radical forms of feminism still cling to the idea of their sexual freedom within the system that provides it for them. Just the other side of the same coin.

Their advocacy for classic liberalism or strong liberalism is merely a proposition for a political reform of the same problem that is like a germ only being medicated but not cured; a “Prozac nation” of sentimentalism is what they all agree is the solution. No real wisdom involved, just a healthy motivation of telling yourself that you can take control of your life. A bunch of self-help shit for generations of weaklings, including themselves.

Trump was a resurgence of the old code of familial liberalism, so Peterson is a resurgence of old pacifist attitudes and ideologies that contributed to the rise of liberalism. Both phenomenons distinct to their time and place. He needs to just go back to the fuckin classroom and teach his psychology curriculums. Stay out of philosophy.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:59 pm

Intuition is not knowledge but a skill that can be nurtured, I think their psychological philosophy is a kind of intuition, like learning how to walk, you dont go into the laws of gravity, physics, biology, mechanics of walking and then into neural part of coordination, motivation to walk etc. but you sense your feet wobbling, sense that you are being pulled down, that the prefered combination is 1-2-1-2 rhythym of putting legs in front of you etc. and from that you intuit laws that seem to be applicable and useful, that can be applied in a broader practical context and from which you can derive some sort of philosophical grounding and theory. The problem is precision, all can intuit womans difference and their predictive performance just like anybody can predict that based on the reaction of knees to walking jumping from a high place will break them but if one wants to become more precise and stricter in his predicament, to have more reassurance in the likely result one must study the knee capsule, its anatomy etc. - same with women, one must study them as a biologist, neurologist, look at evolution, context etc. and then make predicaments and recommendations; not based on how they have been over last 500 years, how your wife appears to you etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:10 pm

When I try to engage something like that seriously, my brain melts...too much to go through, to process, to consider...maybe in our times the only reliable way of navigations are systems of intuition or some other foundamental systems of approximation but I am sure his ones aren't the proper ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:49 pm

What intuition lacks in clarity it makes up for with breadth...quantity of data.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:58 am

Peterson in relation to what I posted [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]....



A declarative statement that is self-flattering, makes extraordinary claims and promises, ought to raise red-flags.
This is not paranoia but rooted in an understanding of human nature, life and the world it evolves within.
A supernatural claim, a flattering stamens, a self-aggrandizing proposition is automatically to be held with great skepticism and suspicion.
It is hiding something.
Most of the time it is hiding the opposite of what it states. The claim indicates the motive in relation to self.
A promise of great power, for example, hides a sense of powerlessness.
A promise of great love, purified into an ideal, hides a resentment.

I've said it before, but it applies:
The degree of the hyperbole in the claim, is proportional to the secret being compensated for.
Its level of extra-ordinariness is the level of the insecurity.
A large internal wound requires a large external shield, a potent salve.

It attracts those who sense in the hyperbole a protection for their own wounds.
It gathers the wounded.
"Workers of the world Unite!!!"....or some version of that.

I've said that Nihilism is a memetic virus.....a linguistic parasite that has no meaning outside minds.
It needs quantities of minds to make-up for the rejection of any references in world.
It constructs ideologies and spiritual dogmas with no pragmatic presence....entirely internal, psychological, noetic...so it needs minds to be bound by emotion, sensation, such as pleasure.
The emotions must be positive, attractive, seductive.
So they are always extraordinary, to offer a protective shield for all the world's wounded.

The mind can construct such fabrications....because it is not limited by natural order. It can synthesize anything, in any way. This is why Laws of Logic had to be found to restrict its creative, artistic, penchant.
Man discovers patterns in the (inter)activity of patterns and calls these 'laws of nature', but the mind is not inhibited by them, especially when it is sheltered by a system.
So man discovers way to harmonize these external laws with internal rules, so that the mind does not invent absurdities it is not taken away by its own ability to invent reality in any way that satisfies it.
Morality is an attempt to limit its physical options of behaving.
Ethics begins as an exploration of evolved ways of dealing with social unities, imposing a limit to individual behaviour, but can then become ways to promote desirable behaviours that contradict these evolved behaviours....this is why the supernatural is invented.
Its extraordinary claims reflect the degree of reality it is called to control and redirect.

All such hyperbolic attempts must lie.


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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:17 pm



Marxism took nihilistic detachment, and inversion to its logical end...in post-modernity.
Abrahamics (Shapiro, Peterson...) are the representatives of its religious, more conservative version.
Nihilism still attached to the ideology of god (absolute order in the sky) that didn't quite go as far as this liberated modern secular version.
Because of technological advancements the secular version could push the limits, beyond its genetic capacity to endure it.
The meme was held back by primitive techniques/technologies, and advances as new technologies became available.
Modernity went beyond the human psychological and physical capacity to endure...it was technology pushing the nihilistic ideal to the point where it broke mind/body cohesion - madness.
This pulling back is not to a more rational position but to one the mind/body of the average human can tolerate.
Peterson as a clinical psychologists must have realized that early on.
The insanity of nihilism pushed to its self-consistent end, was destroying the minds of humans, producing schizophrenics, narcissists.

I've written on this in my essay [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] years ago, and I've commented on how the system produces institutionalized autism, because it forces minds to specialize to a degree that it remains inept in every other field.
We can see examples of schizophrenia and narcissism on ILP, or in our daily lives...but in daily life it often masks itself, afraid of expressing itself as openly as it would on-line.
I think the internet, ironically, is where the true essence of an individual can display itself anonymously, or sometimes even eponymously....particularly with narcissists who become so arrogant and confident in our protective systems that they can't help but release their inner need to be acknowledged and appreciated.
I think it's the only way to explain why  on these internet places it is mostly Abrahamics that dare to speak openly against this post-modern madness.

It's always about sexual identity, because Abrahamism recognizes no other distinction.
race does not matter....faith matters. But sex does, again, because Abrahamism evolved in times where there was no technology to compensate for male/female mental and physical differences.
Marxism rid itself of that distinction, as well. All that mattered what production. Not sex, and not race.
The MRA is an example of this reaction to the madness.
It was Feminism for men. It did not care about race. It didn't not want to apply the same reasoning it applied to male/female differences to anything else.
It blamed females for feminism, when they were only followers....and they refused to admit that Paternalism was a solution.
In their naive minds females could be shamed, or threatened with passive-aggressive methods....feminine methods.
The first time I came in contact with them, when they were first emerging on youtube I was amused by their naivete and how basic truths about humanity and male/female psychology was, for them, radical insight.
Dumbing-Down over generations has resulted in this autistic state.
Something obvious is radical, mind-blowing....if it is presented by authorities and it remains about male/female differences.  
There are men-children on ILP who are now presenting selfishness as a groundbreaking insight, because for the majority it was a bad-word, and the only virtue was selflessness...the myth of this Abrahamic fabrication.
We are now rediscovering what has been known for centuries, and what had been considered common sense.

I find it interesting how he downplays the role the Frankfurt School played in the development of post-modernity but emphasizes Marxism (31:15), as Abrahamism competing secular-nihilistic meme, calling it more insidious.
Yet Marxism was anything but covert. It became so when it merged or was reinvented by Post Modernity....changing names and symbols to hide the common roots.
We're re-fighting the Cold War, only this time its all theory.
Marxism, like Christianity, does not die....it goes into its inert, crystalline state....part of the virus' life-cycle.
As long as there will be weak, inferior, desperate, ill, feeble people, there will be a ideology to comfort and feed their victim status.

(43:29) All art is equal. Beauty is in the 'eye of the beholder', art is subjective. There is no superior inferior art, no superior artists.
it's all in your head.
So there is also no correct application for words. it's all about self-flattery, self-comforting, self-validation.

(45:55)White males...means European.
This is an attack on European traditions....that men represent. Not women...women can be assimilated and used for another genetic group's end.
They fear European unification because they fear the unity of European males. They are an unstoppable, formidable force when they are divided so imagine what they would be united with a shared identity.
This makes (((them))) tremble. Them and their emasculated, degenerate, followers...the men-children of the world - the self-haters who grasp to any narrative that can make them like themselves, be proud of themselves.

(1:02) He cannot understand why the hammer and sickle is not considered as 'evil' as the swastika. He has an abrahamic prejudice preventing him from understanding why (((Marxism))) would not be slandered like Nazism.
Could it be that communism is the secular form of Abrahamamic spirituality, and Nazism was, despite its faults, Aryan in nature?
Could that be it?

(1:05)No Mr.Peterson race, like species, like breed, is about inherited potentials. You can't ignore what your eyes are showing you because there is overlap.

I also smiled at his comment on 'power'. A very interesting comment given his admiration for Nietzsche and Will to Power.

Nihilism is now reverting back to its tried and tested more stable versions, and some strains are attacking language, warping the meaning of words to confuse and through confusion to manipulate and exploit.
They could not reject nature, but if they redefine the meaning of words referring to nature they no longer have to.
They failed to change reality, to reinvent it, and they failed to dismiss it and replace it with a more real reality, after death. Now they are assaulting man's very connection to reality, through language and art.
Nihilist is now attacking the very means of relating to reality, creating living-dead - zombies. Individuals who see but reject what they see, do not trust their own senses.
What appears difference is actually an illusion because it is 'really' all the same.
All is alive, or all is an illusion. There is a secret hidden reality only a few can see and interpret for you. you need a proxy to translate what you are sensing.
There is no difference between a black man and a white man....no difference between living and the non-living.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:32 am




You gotta earn your identity.
Like buy a pirate hat in a shop.
Or go to your (((priest))) at a university who teaches you who you are and what you should identify with.
(((Our values))).
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:38 am



JBP's carpet design that he is selling and current Twitter avatar.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:50 am

Let’s assume JBP is sincere here when he says you have to earn your identity.
Why would the past not count?
As a Christian you can presumably start over again even in your own life after you’ve gotten your absolution from your priest.

How radical is JBP when he says those things?
Is he in favour of disinheriting the Jews of their generationally accumulated worldly possessions and their shared identity?

I think he says identity for you is what I allow you to choose, to buy from me. No worries we have a whole stack of fancy hats to choose from.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:17 am

The Jewdicative shall determine if you paid all the taxes and rightfully earned it.
With hard work earning enough money you can become anything you want in this world.

Your identity is your work, your labor and what you buy with that money.

This only works if you let people actually buy their identity, only as long as you don't exclude them and dismiss them no matter how much they paid. Let's all be happy participants in that marketplace.

The trouble for JBP at university is that blue-hairs don't respect his professor identity. Instead those low ranking drones demand respect without having jumped through all the hoops yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:25 am

A tribe is not something which one lives up to, like some out-there construct capable of existing without any members. A tribe is what one puts up. Difference between Semitism and Aryanism. To Semites, something being a construct means artificial or not-real to them. The only real thing becomes what is not empirical since all empiricism is sensory/physical, which is a brain construct.

Semitism: absent absolute which can condemn all to hell or atheistic absolute absence
Aryanism: mysterious gods which have separate influences and hierarchy, keeping the absolute absent


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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:28 am

In Aryanism the individual is the manifestation of tribe, the group.
gene produces meme.

Nihilism inverts this. It makes the group identity an idea, all can belong to, cultivating the traits of the ideal member of the group.
Meme trying to become gene.

Inversion.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:23 pm

You don't "earn" who and what you are. You are the ongoing manifestation of past. You are the effect of past, you are past manifesting as presence. You can't "earn" what makes you possible in the first place.
He's an atomized individual, even his avatar symbolizes disintegration, breaking apart, splintering. He wants to be broken down.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:43 pm

Exactly....you are the past....you do not choose it, nor earn it.
What you can do is try to adjust it, change it as much as you can, and with great effort.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:20 pm

There is an aspect of determinism to biology, that it limits your potentials to within a certain range, that can be horrifying.
It's emotionally appealing if we are instead not the product of past but are blank slates which essentially arise out of nothing, a blank canvas that anything can be drawn upon. It offers salvation from unpleasant truths that we wish we could escape. Past then becomes something to deny, to overcome, to replace with a transplanted identity derived entirely from environment or training.
This is an inorganic sense of identity. It doesn't occur naturally but is constructed to conform to an ideal sense of self, like communism seeks to create, inorganically, an idealized society by attempting to force human nature to conform to an idealized caricature of human nature.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:40 pm



He sounds like a sermonizing minister now. Talk about off the deep end. It’s also a lesson about what popularity does to someone. It molds and shapes them to fit the status quo so that they can be more assimilated into mass psychology, even against their will.

No objective exploration anymore. Now he just summons religious sentiment and melodrama. The greatest ironic thing about him is his diagnosis of the Judeo-Christian nihilism while being a Judeo-Christian. This is the unique psychology of the Jew: introspective nihilism, because the source of spiritual objective purpose, lies in psychologizing their own inferiority, and this is what constitutes the Jewish philosopher. He offers nothing more than poetic recitations of Tolstoy and explores nothing further about the subject of why school shooters massacre his precious “innocents” and more importantly, why they target schools, other than that it is a manifestation of ‘rage against God’. How myopic. His literary cherry picking of thinkers and their insightful associations with Christianity, is what he loves to fall back on. His twisting of his cherry-picked Nietzsche quote was very sad. He is more clueless about Nietzsche then I realized. He thinks Nietzsche is talking about good and evil for fucks sake, when he was the breaker of those very terms in themselves. He mystifies wisdom into empty ambiguity so that he can honor ideas of equality.

For anyone of you who have seen the movie Saved, his attitude encapsulates the moral of that movie: reject God, hate him, but eventually come to love yourself in your relationship to him as the world, and also know you are an infinitesimal meaningless creature that has no direction but is capable of being happy. It's becoming clear why he is so fascinated with chaos.

Notice the comment section. The submissiveness of mind in the banality of the comments indicates how subservient and indoctrinated his followers have become. They dare not question him, but only have positive superficial things to say about his looks and other inanities. Fawning, controlled, brainwashed. Stephan Molyneux has the same type of followers.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:48 am



I re-post this excerpt to clarify how a thinker, like any author, can be selectively interpreted and integrated into a dogma he criticized.
Nietzsche being the favourite author who is not being integrated into any crap imaginable, including Christianity.
The codependency of herds necessitates compromises they call wisdom.

Having seen where this nihilism is headed, in post-modernity, Jordan is the Christian apologist who tries to integrate even Nietzsche into a return to the 'wisdom' of the herd.
Sexual differences are held as self-evident, but not racial differences.
Only Christians can offer an alternative to post-modern secular nihilism, because the alternative has already been applied successfully.

Abrahamic nihilism preserves sexual identity, though it eliminates every other natural identifier, because god has no penis, is incorporeal, a mere idea, so they need males as sperm-donors and representatives of the divine.
Men are god's harem protectors. Women and children belong to him.
Men are emasculated and reduces to beta, beneath the eternal absolute alpha.
Every other division would be disruptive.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:55 am

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He sounds like a sermonizing minister now. Talk about off the deep end. It’s also a lesson about what popularity does to someone. It molds and shapes them to fit the status quo so that they can be more assimilated into mass psychology, even against their will.

No objective exploration anymore. Now he just summons religious sentiment and melodrama. The greatest ironic thing about him is his diagnosis of the Judeo-Christian nihilism while being a Judeo-Christian. This is the unique psychology of the Jew: introspective nihilism, because the source of spiritual objective purpose, lies in psychologizing their own inferiority, and this is what constitutes the Jewish philosopher. He offers nothing more than poetic recitations of Tolstoy and explores nothing further about the subject of why school shooters massacre his precious “innocents” and more importantly, why they target schools, other than that it is a manifestation of ‘rage against God’. How myopic. His literary cherry picking of thinkers and their insightful associations with Christianity, is what he loves to fall back on. His twisting of his cherry-picked Nietzsche quote was very sad. He is more clueless about Nietzsche then I realized. He thinks Nietzsche is talking about good and evil for fucks sake, when he was the breaker of those very terms in themselves. He mystifies wisdom into empty ambiguity so that he can honor ideas of equality.
For anyone of you who have seen the movie Saved, his attitude encapsulates the moral of that movie: reject God, hate him, but eventually come to love yourself in your relationship to him as the world, and also know you are an infinitesimal meaningless creature that has no direction but is capable of being happy. It's becoming clear why he is so fascinated with chaos.

Notice the comment section. The submissiveness of mind in the banality of the comments indicates how subservient and indoctrinated his followers have become. They dare not question him, but only have positive superficial things to say about his looks and other inanities. Fawning, controlled, brainwashed. Stephan Molyneux has the same type of followers.
This is inevitable. Someone can make an impact, exploiting a weakness, and a market demand, and then gather a following that expects more and more.
Then he has to innovate ways of repeating what brought him to the forefront without making it obvious.

He, like those on ILP, have adopted Nietzsche, because of his psychological insights and critique of Abrahamism, and are now re-shaping him, reinventing him, to accommodate their needs.
He's the icon that legitimizes the repackaged and re-branded product.
Post-Nietzsche Christianity = Abrahamism 4.0
A virus adapts countermeasures to the autoimmune system.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:17 am



Nobody cares about blue-haired harpies.
They are just part of setting the stage for these intellectuals to dazzle and cuck the normie.
The blue haired harpy is not changing the world or setting the tone.
The intellectual who tells you about what your "reasonable" (((values))) are in opposition to the blue hair, that's who sets the tone.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:29 am

Yeah...it's a self-correction.
The nihilistic ideology realizes that if it lets itself go, its own 'logic' leads to absurdity.
It has to establish limits....like in Scripture.

They did the same when they invested a rule against suicide to stop the logical option of not suffering this 'fake existence' and speeding up the process of going to the more 'real' reality, in the afterlife.
Nihilism constructs absurd premises, in its haste to control populations.
The virus is destructive to the host it infects.

In Abrahamism the limit it placed in sexual dichotomy.
It's the only natural identifier they recognize, and ti serves as a regulator to their madness.
All these characters are reactions to Feminism - outcrops of the MRA spark that pushed back.

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Identity politics for me but not for the golem and not for the goyim.
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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:40 am

Ha!!!....Nice find.
The double-standard.....open borders for Europe but not for Israel.
Not for Japan, or any other nation except European ones.
We see the targets on our backs.

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PostSubject: Re: Thougts on Jordan Peterson Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:10 am

They do what they can.
If they were more influential in Japan then they would push for even more openness to miscegenation and deracinated values over there as well.
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