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PostSubject: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyWed Jul 05, 2017 1:00 pm

What does justice mean in context of society? How would society determine what is justice?

One of the problems with societies is that they tend to distribute the costs of individual actions on the collective. This lessens the impact of both the good and bad decisions, contributing to the muddling of the two and even the idea that there is no such distinction. Libertarians especially seem to be completely delusional of how individual actions can affect the general well-being of a society.

The closest I came to the idea of Social Justice is this:

"It would be nice if people were forced to bear the direct natural consequences of their actions, instead of distributing the costs of their actions to the entire society. It would be perfect, for example, if Muslim immigrants raped and killed only those men and women who voted to import them. That would be so fucking awesome. Among other things, cucks and liberals would be made slaves of the enemies or killed, feminists would be raped and/or put into burqas or killed. And WN who opposed all this degeneracy would not have to suffer it and would get their own white state which would eventually rise to be powerful enough to push back Muslims."

This is basically the idea that people are forced to bear the consequences and the ultimate logical conclusion of their beliefs and actions.

Unfortunately, due to how modern society is structured currently, this is impossible.

However, I still hold that it is possible to construct such a fair and just system. It would involve an authoritarian approach where the state imitates nature and forces people to immediately and individually face the consequences and the ultimate logical conclusions of their beliefs, instead of forcing everybody in society to do so. This has the benefit of filtering out the degenerates and filth who want to bring everybody in society down to their level, and below.

For example, if J.K. Rowling supports immigration (and she does), then she would be forced to live with immigrants and accomodate as many of them in her home as she can. Only those who support immigration would be forced to interact with migrants, and if they are to be raped, murdered, killed, etc. by the migrants, the police nor anybody else would intervene. This sounds nice but it would be almost impossible to organize.

It would also be just if the laws of nature were set up so that only those who advocate for immigration suffer it, but like I said, unfortunately this is not so, and this is why the state/system itself needs to imitate nature, to ensure justice is done and that degenerates don't escape unharmed.

A simpler solution would be to just force people individually to bear the ultimate logical conclusion of their retarded ideologies. This means that cuckservatives and liberals who promote the kind of politics which would end in a country where whites are the minority, get sent to places where whites actually are a minority.

Cuckservative and liberal politcians would be forced to live in 99% nigger neighborhoods and such. This would result in them either learning the reality of race the hard way, or getting killed. Probably both. Either way, great.

The ultimate logical conclusion of feminism is getting conquered by another country, since feminism is a factor which weakens its own group. So feminists would be sold into slavery and forced to be at the mercy of those who would most likely conquer them after white countries have grown too weak - currently, Islamic sand-niggers.

I believe that it is because of this free spreading and accumulation of degeneracy due to societal distribution of consequences of actions that history is cyclical and civilizations/societies tend to go through cycles.

If we found a way to prevent this accumulation of degeneracy by imitating nature through an authoritarian state, with Right Wing Death Squads whose specific purpose is to purge degeneracy, I think we could break away from this cycle into a period of infinite progress and growth.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyWed Jul 05, 2017 3:42 pm

Justice is a human concept having to do with social cohesion, in relation to ideals.

Rape evolves as a masculine reaction to feminine natural sexual power.
Females evolved dependence, or submissiveness to a dominant or protective masculine entity to deal with it.
In nature there is no 'justice', but only effectiveness - fitness.
Fitness can express itself physically as strength it can express itself mentally as judgment.

Timocracy can deal with degeneracy. It offers a institutional barrier to stupidity, or to an inability to judge and to discipline self.
Timocracy would automatically exclude most members of inferior races. The few would be absorbed into a population where birthrates would increase dramatically.

On the short-term, the only way to deal with degeneracy is heightened discrimination, particularly among females.
The system will collapse under the influence of nihilistic degeneracy, because it is disconnecting from reality.
Nothing can survive this detachment.

Degeneracy is its own death.
All we need to do is persevere what is valuable, so that not everything is lost - forgotten.

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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyWed Jul 05, 2017 4:25 pm

I would say nature itself is for the most part just, aside from the randomness factor. In any case, there is enough justice/pattern based natural selection to it so that certain things are more selected than others, in general.

Society corrupts this natural order/justice and fails to reflect it within itself. I believe this is why societies grow weak.

I agree degeneracy is its own death, but when it happens in context of society, it can also spread its weakness and cause the death of others. Such as the people who vote in refugees, and then these refugees blow up children at some concert. People X do the action, people Y suffer the consequence of it.

Because in more natural environments, degeneracy is usually swiftly sorted out.

But in social environments it tends to persist and spread.

So instead of letting degenerates use society to allow people to detach from the consequences of their actions and transfer these consequences to others, what I advocate is imitating nature and forcing people to endure what would be the ultimate consequences of their actions in nature.

So a cuck or a liberal likes some inferior race and has no problem living among them and promotes the kinds of politics which would result in the country being majority that race in the future? Great, they will be forcibly deported in an area where that race comprises 99% of the population. I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms.

A feminist wants freedom and so promotes ideals which subvert and emasculate its own male population to make them less threatening? Fine, since that makes the country vulnerable to conquest, she can go ahead and live with those who would likely be conquerors.

It's a way of making sure that political cuckolds, feminists and other degenerates face the natural consequences of their actions without dragging everybody else into the gutter with them.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyThu Jul 06, 2017 1:50 am

AutSider wrote:
I would say nature itself is for the most part just, aside from the randomness factor.
So, you differentiate order from chaos as just and unjust, whereas I would place both within the concept 'nature' and say that nature is neither, because the word 'justice' refers to a human desire for a particular kind of order which 'justice' enforces correcting or adjusting nature to human ideals.
I think justice does not apply to nature, or to reality, just as the word 'good' does not. These words only apply to life, and more specifically to human life which is but a part of existence with specific needs, cares, interests.

AutSider wrote:
In any case, there is enough justice/pattern based natural selection to it so that certain things are more selected than others, in general.
Yes.

AutSider wrote:
Society corrupts this natural order/justice and fails to reflect it within itself. I believe this is why societies grow weak.
Yes...over time human interventions accumulate producing pollutants: genetic and memetic, materials and ideals.
Man gradually harmonizes with nature.

AutSider wrote:
I agree degeneracy is its own death, but when it happens in context of society, it can also spread its weakness and cause the death of others. Such as the people who vote in refugees, and then these refugees blow up children at some concert. People X do the action, people Y suffer the consequence of it.
Degenerates seed their own destruction, but they also affect us....because we live in a world with no accessible frontiers of escape.
We are in a 'behavioral sink'.
The majority is manipulated forcing us to suffer the consequences as well.
A disease, within a closed environment, infects all.
So how does one remain healthy?

We saw a hint in the World War Z movie.
You have to infect yourself to remain unnoticed to the masses of zombies, when in their vicinity, hoping to give yourself the antidote before you turn.
Lepers were paced outside the village. In a village of lepers we must place ourselves outside their parameters...keep to ourselves, waiting for the dis-ease to pass through its life-cycle.

AutSider wrote:
Because in more natural environments, degeneracy is usually swiftly sorted out.

But in social environments it tends to persist and spread.
Dis-eases spread in overpopulated enclosed areas. Christianity spread in Roman catacombs where the slaves went for shelter, for safety.

AutSider wrote:
So instead of letting degenerates use society to allow people to detach from the consequences of their actions and transfer these consequences to others, what I advocate is imitating nature and forcing people to endure what would be the ultimate consequences of their actions in nature.
Agreed, but that would take a massive deconstruction of the established welfare system.

AutSider wrote:
So a cuck or a liberal likes some inferior race and has no problem living among them and promotes the kinds of politics which would result in the country being majority that race in the future? Great, they will be forcibly deported in an area where that race comprises 99% of the population. I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms.
the problem is sheltering. They mentioned in in that vid about why Sweden is how it is....centuries of peace.
War is what we need...so I welcome this attack on civilians by sand-niggers.
It's a wake up call.

AutSider wrote:
A feminist wants freedom and so promotes ideals which subvert and emasculate its own male population to make them less threatening? Fine, since that makes the country vulnerable to conquest, she can go ahead and live with those who would likely be conquerors.
Then she ought to suffer the consequences of her idiocy...and this is rape then so be it.

In this war the majority will fall.
This is not only inevitable but desirable. Decades of sheltering have produced genetic garbage that needs to be cleaned....like forest fires clear the forest of accumulated underbrush.
Mencken claimed that the Black Plague ;paved the way for Renaissance to happen, and I agree with him.
Jewish dominance of the US and through the US of its world-wide empire, was facilitated by the dreaded Holocaust.
The Europeans need a cleansing of equal proportions.

Dominance produces decadence, which leads to degeneration.

AutSider wrote:
It's a way of making sure that political cuckolds, feminists and other degenerates face the natural consequences of their actions without dragging everybody else into the gutter with them.
Step aside....protect what is valuable, create a family, spread our shared ideals....keep the spirit alive through these Dark Ages.
You cannot heal or fight masses of brain-dead zombies.
Let them consume each other.

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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyTue Jun 05, 2018 11:16 am

I think this is a good idea.

For instance, for many years of my life I was saying, blacks are no different than whites and are exactly the same as whites.
But one day i went to an all black school, and then I had to live in an all black city.

it opened my eyes to the truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyTue Jun 05, 2018 11:20 am

now as far as feminism and muslims goes, your idea of forcing feminists into an all muslim city...not sure that would work.

because logic doesnt seem to be part of feminism. It just seems to be, hating whites and holding different races to different standards - inequality.

What i mean by this is, if you make an all muslim city, and force feminists to live in the city, all the feminists will probably get wet wearing burkas and being forced to be obedient house wives, as they are all brutally rammed up the ass, begging for more. Though I have to admit there are some muslim guys who are very good looking.

Feminism is mostly a white hating game. Ie. if a black person talks about rape and murder in rap music, he gets 20 million dollars, but if a white person does something mildly sexually innappropriate he has to make a public apology on oprah.

Why feminists are ganging up on the morgan freeman thing is because he is a white-acting black, ie. a black who has white status, or a black who promotes white cultural values, such as bill cosby.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptySat Dec 14, 2019 12:20 pm

similar to the recent case of that shitskin loving faggot who got stabbed by a shitskin to death, a heart-warming reminder that even in our perverted society, real justice occasionally happens, and exactly the people who deserve to die get killed:

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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptySat Dec 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Satyr wrote:
Step aside....protect what is valuable, create a family, spread our shared ideals....keep the spirit alive through these Dark Ages.
You cannot heal or fight masses of brain-dead zombies.
Let them consume each other.

I’m with Satyr on this. I will only add that we must be mindful to differentiate ‘conservatism’ with ‘preservation’. Conservative is an open-ended concept that carries with it contradictions and illusions of objectivity. It is a weak standpoint for protecting values of worth and quality, and it originated in politics. To conserve is not to exclude, but only to hold back certain values in light of circumstances, especially more so in politics, until changes occur that demand adjustments. It is only a nepotistic attitude. It denotes a desire to retain, but also a willingness to assent under favorable or beneficial situations.

Preservation, or to preserve, on the other hand, spares itself from the corruption of the political realm and simply means only to reject all that pose a hindrance, to keep something in its natural form and away entirely from contaminations and threats. Preservation is more so an instinctual motive of exclusion and purity.

The biggest problem is the rampant poisonous infection that politics has become in modern society and in human life. Its subversions of language, and thinking, and behavior has polluted all traditional customary elements of any natural form of society or cooperation. Its function in communication has spread to every private corner of social life and turned people into the mindless degenerates, who are slaves to conceptual authorities that we see today. It is important to reject and dispel the world of politics in order to return to some freer existence of human civilization and epistemology that isn’t dominated by idealism or morality. The political domain has turned the world into a nihilistic befuddled dystopian nightmare of morality; something Nietzsche saw coming. This onslaught and ubiquity of “intellectuals” everywhere is a cancerous symptom of this reality, and it exacerbates and perpetuates the problem of the political menace in human lives. Genuine thinking and discourse cannot be had when everything is controlled by a politic of ethics, and especially when those ethics are anti-nature I.e. democratic globalism.

To return to nature/reality we must first reject the mechanisms that work against it. Outright rejection that is, without compunction, without compromise, unlike these libertarian maggots. That is the point of preserving.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptySat Dec 14, 2019 3:11 pm

Quote :
[size=30]AutSider[/size]similar to the recent case of that shitskin loving faggot who got stabbed by a shitskin to death, a heart-warming reminder that even in our perverted society, real justice occasionally happens, and exactly the people who deserve to die get killed:

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Keep calm and continue supporting your own brutal stabbing as a death. Keep. Calm. Meanwhile, if the world could laugh, if nature, it would be. A humorous death - something even the most fence sitting retard will avoid - dying an ironic and funny death. Happens to those idiots.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptySat Dec 14, 2019 5:15 pm

My response to a dude who excused the green haired whore because she's been programmed:

Women are programmable but not a blank slate as your post would imply. Their nature is more clearly displayed now they’ve been “liberated”, and I don’t know who this June Cleaver is, but I doubt it resembles her.

Let’s not sugarcoat it, women’s natural inclinations and behaviors result in degeneracy, dysgenia, destruction, etc. Like you can program a dog not to shit on the floor, but its natural inclination is to shit on it.

And like with dogs, unless men take charge, everything goes to shit.

That is what our situation is essentially like. Dogs (women) shit all over the place and you’re not allowed to do anything about it, and to top it off, you have to pretend the piles of shit smell nice and pay for the dogs to shit around, because anything else is absolute dog hatred and gets you imprisoned.

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Of course you also get mountains of word-vomit produced by "academics" on how all that shit is actually beneficial, the entire thing is very tiresome.

Either case, it's very important to send a clear message of "if you're against us, you get no sympathy". There is no point displaying sympathy for a despicable whore suffering the consequences of her stupidity, who is evidently a leftist and wants all decent white men to be censored, imprisoned, humiliated, and possibly murdered.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptySat Dec 14, 2019 5:20 pm

Kvasir wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Step aside....protect what is valuable, create a family, spread our shared ideals....keep the spirit alive through these Dark Ages.
You cannot heal or fight masses of brain-dead zombies.
Let them consume each other.

I’m with Satyr on this.

Indeed. You can't win fighting against the system. We learn to swim in shit, and preserve what we can.

Kvasir wrote:
To return to nature/reality we must first reject the mechanisms that work against it. Outright rejection that is, without compunction, without compromise, unlike these libertarian maggots. That is the point of preserving.

Well said.
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PostSubject: Re: Social Justice Social Justice EmptyWed Jan 22, 2020 7:06 pm

Slaughtz wrote:

How Racist/Sexist of him.
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When war and conflict are absent, coupled with fiscally over-inflated behavioral institutions controlled by liberalism, this is what you do with your soldiers.
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This is the world of idiots. The ones in charge who are trusted defending the politically correct cause, reveal their true prejudices based on genetic racial discrimination, inflaming the anger of those who are loyal to them who pretend they don't exist.

Denial of reality creates all kinds of morons and clowns.
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