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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:08 am

I'm working on higher quality ones now. One that I unfortunately can't show whole, and one that is unfinished.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:09 am

Why is it all erotic?
Why only the female form?

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:12 pm

Only two of those are erotic.
The others are nude figures, quite serene.

I draw masculine figures too, mostly for myself. I don't get nearly as many requests for those.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:17 pm

Not serene except for 3...and one looks like you were practicing.
Tension. 

The "male" figure is also very feminine.

Except for figures of humans, do you sketch other things, life forms?

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:19 pm

The reason I draw nude figures, is I want to.

I sometimes take on different subjects, and use different media, but the one thing I like to do is draw figures and portraits using nothing but 6B graphite.
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:24 pm

And the fact that you "want to" can be analyzed.
If you want to be taken seriously and not have your feminine nature be the subject, perhaps not continuously presenting yourself as sexual might help. 

I wonder what you could do with another subject matter ...non-human, for instance.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:30 pm

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Not serene except for 3...and one looks like you were practicing.
Tension. 

Perhaps we have different definitions for erotic.

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The "male" figure is also very feminine.

It was a commission.
I have many other model photos which were sent to me for inspiration, some that I very much look forward to, as they are delightfully masculine, you may say.
I also have many requests do draw a ... pudgier female figure.
Unfortunately these will have to come after the ones I am making for people who were so nice as to actually be patrons of my little artistic efforts.

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Except for figures of humans, do you sketch other things, life forms?

Not nearly as often.
Here is a watercolor I made for my friend. Evidently I am bad at watercolor.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:33 pm

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And the fact that you "want to" can be analyzed.
If you want to be taken seriously and not have your feminine nature be the subject, perhaps not continuously presenting yourself as sexual might help. 

I am taken seriously, dear.

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I wonder what you could do with another subject matter ...non-human, for instance.

Care to make a request?
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:35 pm

Sexual tension, around the neck, shoulders, fingers...insinuating.
Where it is not eroticism is on the horizon, past/future.

I like the watercolor, but you're better with black/white.
Desolation below wonder. 
Homage, to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:38 pm

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And the fact that you "want to" can be analyzed.
If you want to be taken seriously and not have your feminine nature be the subject, perhaps not continuously presenting yourself as sexual might help. 

I am taken seriously, dear.

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I wonder what you could do with another subject matter ...non-human, for instance.

Care to make a request?
Only as a sexual object, dear.
But you cultivate it.

I request a piece on sorrow and joy.
We've covered pleasure.
Let's go to implosive desperation and overflowing explosive abundance. 
One of each....or both in one.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:46 pm

Well it's pretty obvious what's going on in your head.
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:49 pm

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Only as a sexual object, dear.
But you cultivate it.

Only in the minds of the wonderers, and wanderers.
There is no object.

For now, it suits me to appear as a spider.


As to the real world, I'm a highly skilled professional in my field, a calm cool and collected friend, a damn good cook, and have a bit of skill for art.
Those who value me only as a sex object are fools and philistines.
As you know, I do not associate myself with fools and philistines.

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I request a piece on sorrow and joy.
We've covered pleasure.
Let's go to implosive desperation and overflowing explosive abundance. 
One of each....or both in one.

I will give it some thought.
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:53 pm

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Well it's pretty obvious what's going on in your head.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:53 pm

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Only as a sexual object, dear.
But you cultivate it.

Only in the minds of the wonderers, and wanderers.
There is no object.

For now, it suits me to appear as a spider.


As to the real world, I'm a highly skilled professional in my field, a calm cool and collected friend, a damn good cook, and have a bit of skill for art.
Those who value me only as a sex object are fools and philistines.
As you know, I do not associate myself with fools and philistines.

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I request a piece on sorrow and joy.
We've covered pleasure.
Let's go to implosive desperation and overflowing explosive abundance. 
One of each....or both in one.

I will give it some thought.
I never accused you of being sexual in your everyday affairs and relationships. 
I commented on the drawings, which express an internal world. 
What you appear to be externally, or how you wish to appear, is another issue. 


Sure...think it over and post it when you're done.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:30 pm

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I never accused you of being sexual in your everyday affairs and relationships. 
I commented on the drawings, which express an internal world. 
What you appear to be externally, or how you wish to appear, is another issue. 

Nude in art is not exactly unheard of.

As to my conduct on this forum... I give a forum what a forum needs Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:33 pm

Yes...this is why your art is all nude females. 

I suppose you have evaluated the forum and its members, and you've decided that what is occurring here, or what is being discussed is best triggered by that...an effect you feed on.
So, you must consider yourself smarter than the average male.

Aren't you a hedonist?

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:03 pm

In other places where I've posted these same drawings, they are received with expressions of appreciation for beauty.

Here they might appear as a provocation.
Perhaps a reminder of things one cannot have.
A lil poke at a wound. A reminder of a need...

The beauty is there. The equipment for perception of beauty is also there.
However there is something in the middle.

How does one go about removing that clutter, in order to see beauty where beauty can be found?

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:41 pm

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In other places where I've posted these same drawings, they are received with expressions of appreciation for beauty.

Here they might appear as a provocation.
Perhaps a reminder of things one cannot have.
A lil poke at a wound. A reminder of a need...

The beauty is there. The equipment for perception of beauty is also there.
However there is something in the middle.

How does one go about removing that clutter, in order to see beauty where beauty can be found?

Other places are populated by simpletons and morons, who can only go so far in their judgment.
I see beauty everywhere.
But I also see what motivates its expression, and its appreciation. 
Let's reduce it down to a level you feel comfortable with.
I am shutting down all unnecessary cognitive functions. 

Yes...those were nice, beautiful drawings. 
They filled me with great pleasure, as I like black and white and the usage of shadows.
You have a talent you should cultivate by challenging your eye for details and in practicing many forms, and themes. 

I once listened to a bird sing...and was captivated by the beauty of its mating call....but I will not go further, cluttering the experience with vulgar reality.
Let us stop at beauty, as we ought to stop at pleasure...and just enjoy. 
I am open to what you, innocently, offer. 
I will innocently receive it, and be grateful.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:51 pm

I like florals much more than straightforward nuditity, a floral painting plays both to erotic fantasy as the shapes resemble these of a beautiful hip, breast, leg as to a technical fascination with design and function that seems to be at least somewhat masculine. A lot of your paintings are to me obscene, the erotic is very intense, the teasing of revealing ass with the hand, the messed and pressed blankets, the head tilted are all clear symbolisms - to transcendent primitive and base through art is one thing to me, to contain yourself at that level is another. Even if one paints a woman as she is, one can portray her with her eroticism in combination with the personality, emotion, soul, his intent towards her or vice versa. For example the next step down from these forms would be a whole painting dedicated to the clit for example...you could claim it is beautiful since it is symmetrical, attractive to the eye of some but why limit yourself with ones skill like this if one can do so much more...
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:00 pm

... Obscene?
... Primitive?
... Base?

A flower, dear, is a sexual organ.
Who taught you that you must cover yourself?
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:04 pm

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This would be an example of a nude where the tension is minimal, and the form has no sexuality, as it displays no perfectly spherical, large breasts, or protruding nipples nesting in a large areola. 

Notice in these two example the non-idealization of the human body.
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:09 pm

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... Obscene?
... Primitive?
... Base?

A flower, dear, is a sexual organ.
Who taught you that you must cover yourself?
My, my...now you see vaginas everywhere.
Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar, dear. 
A hungry man sees food everywhere, so I beg you to never post anything resembling a roast chicken, or a baguette. 

If I were shy, you would not know of me...and perhaps you would be better off in your hedonistic innocence. 
I've been exposing myself for decades....physically, and more importantly mentally.

And people, who shall remain unnamed, have been speculating on my motives forever. 

Your defensiveness was noted....my commentary is withdrawn.
We shall be ending our evaluation at pleasure and beauty....beauty producing pleasure, for some mysterious reason...and pleasure expressed in beauty.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:15 pm

That reply was for polishyouth. You know, the catholic in your midst Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:15 pm

Why dear me, I do not know you besides that one time you tried to shy me trying to imply I am looking for a father in the forum members here which was true to the extent that my father is not much of a philosopher and I was looking for a guidance on that level therefore I hold little animosity if any toward whoever you are and only expressed my opinion that you can refute or ignore or whatever instead of trying to use cynicism against me. If I wanted to tease a woman and pinch her arse I'd go to a pub, I would not do it here out of respect for this place. As to florals I too like other things about them, I very often think of how marvelous the design can be and how much it resembles what I'd wish to create counciously yet being created by an unconscious force, I look at a well put shade of dark red on a rose and I think of noble and respectful silence or courage. I will post some later.
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:19 pm

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Why dear me, I do not know you besides that one time you tried to shy me trying to imply I am looking for a father in the forum members here which was true to the extent that my father is not much of a philosopher and I was looking for a guidance on that level therefore I hold little animosity if any toward whoever you are and only expressed my opinion that you can refute or ignore or whatever instead of trying to use cynicism against me. If I wanted to tease a woman and pinch her arse I'd go to a pub, I would not do it here out of respect for this place. As to florals I too like other things about them, I very often think of how marvelous the design can be and how much it resembles what I'd wish to create counciously yet being created by an unconscious force, I look at a well put shade of dark red on a rose and I think of noble and respectful silence or courage. I will post some later.

Speculation is reserved for the innocent.
Its simplicity recites the worn out theories of Freud.

My preference is for the realistic....the everyday captured, and preserved....a subtle detail lost in time, held captive for the eye to return to.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:20 pm

I do not refuse myself my primitive I try to ascend on it.
I posted it not as a reply to the previous post, I did not see the previous post before this was sent over. As a reply to satyr I'd have to think about it more.


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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:20 pm

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That reply was for polishyouth. You know, the catholic in your midst Wink
Ah...vanity, you've exposed me again.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:30 pm

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That reply was for polishyouth. You know, the catholic in your midst Wink
Ah...vanity, you've exposed me again.

my reply to your post is...this, again?
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:34 pm

My reply...I cannot speculate. 
We'll have to wait and see.

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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:40 pm

The "doodles" demonstrate some small talent at least. There is potential. But there is a lot more unsaid by the content of the pictures. Obviously Phone has sex on the mind, passionate, good ol fashion, love making, fuck fest. That you share these, here, is important. The pictures represent something intimate by their content.

However are these much different than simple pornography? Are they unique? In my opinion, no they are not. They are rather simple and base, lacking complexity. Because it is one thing to be enamored and lustful, that is common among humanity and all life. It is another to demonstrate rare aspects of sex and sexuality. Perhaps Phone is a prude, without much experience, and most likely, never been properly dominated by a man.

The "lesbian" comment signifies nothing important. Males and females both sexual gravitate to the female body and form, since male and female are breastfed by a mother as infants, the root of eroticism (to suck on a woman's breast). So females naturally carry a hint of bi-sexuality. The more girlfriends and wives one man has, the more attractive he becomes to other women, who then ask themselves, "what's so special about that guy that he has multiple girlfriends?!?! I need to get to the bottom of this..."


If Phone had a more philosophical disposition, combined with the inkling of talent and skill with drawing, then I would see the content change in style. Simple pornography is not special; it's too common. Instead, draw a portrait of a unique aspect of sex or eroticism, romance. Make other points. Does the woman or man have long hair or short, what is their position, what is their environment, are they in a room, in a bed, what type of bed? What type of sheets or blankets? How much detail, would you show sweaty and mashed up, messy hair? Is the pair at the height of their love making, ready to climax?

All of these details are missing from the portraits, indicating the type of simplicity and baseness that I'm making a point to address....
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PostSubject: Re: Some of my doodles Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:45 pm

For example, if I had the skill and inclination to draw as Phone has done here, then I would be inclined to draw a portrait of a woman, leaning over a short dresser, with one hand placed on the dresser, the other arm she's wiping sweat from her brow. She's naked with a smirk on her face, sweaty across her nude body. Behind her is a naked man. I don't know what he's doing but you can see him behind her. Are they done with their love making? Is it still ongoing? These questions would be left open by the image. This would be depicted in a bedroom, messy sheets. Perhaps a half drank bottle of wine and some empty wine glasses on a nightstand or small table in the room.

Details are the key, that's what makes average art into good art.
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