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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyThu Mar 14, 2019 5:09 pm

An animal, if it could understand and use language, would tell you, if you asked it why it does what it does, that it is driven by a need to gratify itself - driven by pleasure.
This is as far as its primal mind can think, as far as its own subjective feelings, sensations, emotions, perhaps if it were a bit more sophisticated.
Rut, the yearly struggle to mate, would only register, in the mind of a bovine, as an irresistible urge to gratify a sexual need, and to reap the reward as pleasure.

Well, manimals of the Modern human primate kind, will say nothing more or less than this.
They've reduced existence to a human feeling, sensation, and emotion. They do not want to think further than this subjective point.
The epitome of emasculation - feminization.
A woman, the simplest kind of woman, would only want to understand her attraction to a male as a mysterious 'chemistry' something alluding to mystical universal forces, coalescing in a sensation, an intuitive attraction, to which she wants to surrender to, mind and body.
To become as unconscious, and indifferent, as nature - feminine agency. The source of what is called 'feminine mystique', proving to be not so magical and mysterious as she wants it to be.

It's the difference between knowing and understanding - wanting to be master of your destiny, or a means for another's.

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Gypsies cultivated their thieving skills, and their ability to exploit the host's superposition and anxieties.
They never sought to integrate themselves and to merge, disappearing into the host's populace, but rather made it a point to be recognized and looked down on.

Other parasitical gene/meme symbiont, chose the path of deception and imitation, practising the same exploitative methods. they cultivated language as their preferred tool of manipulation and exploitation of the 'host'.

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The Irony of the desperate degenerate, who wants to escape being judged and accused by judging and accusing others.
An irony is a product of a paradox - mind/body dissonance, the conflict between ideal and real, between subjective and objective., interpreting consciousness and interpreted world.

Irony is the product of confusing the first as superior to the second - inversion of natural order.
Self-deceit, obscurantism, occultism, is a way of preserving the inversion and deal with the irony: deceit becomes honesty.
But the world remains indifferent to human survival strategies.

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It's reassuring to believe that human morals are part of some universal order - embedded and inevitable - part of a universal process through which humans, as universal agencies - God's agencies express this universal morality.

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Irony of Ironies - the desperation of degeneracy pushes it to greater heights of self-deceptive, self-contradicting beliefs, which it then blames on others, i.e on the 'inherent' absurdity of existence.
It perceives its own degradation and absurdity as if it were coming from the 'outside'.

Typically a degenerate will declare its individuality, and the primacy of its ego, while, at the same time, declaring the will totally dependent and externally determined and will accuse the other as the source of its suffering; it will denounce race as superficial, and then define race in superficial ways, while at the same time declaring a 'deeper spiritual' understanding.

Schizophrenia, and/or compartmentalization.
The psychology of simultaneously, and arbitrarily, applying two contrary standards to evaluate self and to evaluate other, and/or world.
Double-Standards is newspeak: the foundation of self-deceit.
External icons/idols are sampled and applied according to circumstances, so as to then denounce them if the need arises.
The psychology of claiming superior spiritual understanding while describing all opposition in the most base, superficial, simplistic categories.
The self is exalted by reducing the threat to a caricature.

Take the idea of race, as an example.
While modern, nihilists, denounce race using spiritual, obscurantism, they then define those who hold race as being 'true', and natural, in the most simplistic ridiculous ways possible - reducing race to a pigmentation,a s if this were the oppositions true understanding.

So, if it benefits them, it can either be 'profound' and deep, using all sorts of hyperbole, vagueness, and artistic prose, to obscure and allude to what cannot be validated, but then when it benefits them they can simplify to the degree of absurdity to hide a threatening fact, that can be validated without the use of allegories, prose and obscurantism.

Isn't that what desperate degenerates actually mean with the term 'subjectivity'?
They can simplify, to the point of ridiculousness, or they can obfuscate and make concepts too complex to use, depending on their personal motives.
On the one hand 'humanity' is simple - all belong to it - whereas the individual human is far too complex to ever categorize or to understand.
The absolute is simple and absolutely true, whereas the participants are complicated and too complicated to ever understand.
On the one hand the 'human race' is a simple fact, whereas human races are social constructs. and too complex to categorize or differentiate.
On the one hand 'god' is mystical and perfect, whereas the individual, made in his image, is imperfect and entirely known to be a sinner.
On the one hand the universe is whole and complete, but its parts are imperfect and incomplete.
On the one hand the world is not black and white, but human races can be reduced to black and white pigmentations.
On the one hand homosexuals are born 'that way' whereas women and men are socially created.
On the one hand all is determined, while the other is to blame, and accused of not understanding how and why all is determined.
On the one hand there is no absolute one-god, while on the other there is an absolute one-ness.
On the one hand there is no morality, no universal moral law, while at the same there is a morality but it is false, and the universe works on fixes laws.




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How a degenerate exposes its true intent, and subsequently, the true quality of its mind.

It uses prose and obscurantism to imply is own 'genius', by trying to impress and seduce with feminine coyness masculine desire, and then it reduces something as apparent as race to its lowest-common-denominator, such as pigmentation, to dismiss it, or to insinuate its inclusion into a desired category. As though race, and sex, are nothing more than about pigmentation and body.
By lowering the identifier to the base the excluded insinuates itself into it. This is method used in all areas where uniformity satisfies a need for inclusion; the method also is used to ridicule by reducing a cocnept to an absurdity.

It declares itself atheist, and then replaces the Abrahamic one-god, with 'one', eliminating the 'god' part, replacing the messiah Jesus, lord and saviour, with the Christian-killer Nietzsche, but showing the same kind of reverence and devotion, towards his aphorism as others do to the sermons from the mound.
deferring to 'icons and idols', like a typical Abrahamic refers and defers to saints and pious men, as if their word was holy scripture.  

It declares the will un-free,indirectly implying its own innocence, but then also indirectly implies the guilt and evilness of others, accusing them for its own predicament, as if they had a choice, when it didn't.
They consistently and intentionally fail to follow their own duplicitous reasoning down to its 'logical' end.
They can't help but allude to how the system, or others, failed to judge properly - or wronged them - as if these others had a choice, when it didn't.
Double-standards are a symptom of internal compartmentalization - schizoid fragmented mind.
A benefit always has a cost.
Self-comforting is the benefit, but repeating the same mistakes is the cost, when you fail to accurately understand or to identify the cause for an effect.  

It claims there is no universal morality, and then implies that morality is a universal inevitability, produced by its 'divine' order, and so it implies that morality is, in fact, universal.
So, the universe is described as amoral, but it produces morality, via its human agencies, so it is and is not moral.

It refuses all notions of universal purpose but then describes the universe in a way that implies that life, as it is, has always been a universal purpose; an inevitable creation of universal processes. As if it was always intended; as if the universe had a purpose and it is to create life.
Universe replaced God, as the Creator, though he is not given intent, but blind inevitability.

It says one thing, thinks a second, and does a third, and this self-deceiving schizophrenia it believes makes it undecipherable, unkowable, and therefore immune to all external judgement. By confusing and contradicting itself it believes it escapes the understanding of another.
It is secretly convinced that it can fool existence with these mental ploys, because it has successfully managed to fool itself, and a few other cowards and simpletons.
Though they believe they are indifferent to others and their judgements, they need to convince them so as to indirectly validate their own self-deceit. Any idea that requires to coerce or convince - to proselytize - hides an ulterior motive.

Schizophrenia/Narcissism & Cynical/Sociopathy, the two psychological by-products of bipolar Nihilism.
The psychotic manimal, emerging from its own psychotic creations. It had to go mad to endure, to survive.

Words/Symbols factor in big, i.e. Logos, wrongly redefined from the original Greek, to mean Divine in Modern lingo.
The Greeks simply used it to mean 'reason', and 'speech' exposing this internal reasoning: the noumenon externalized as a phenomenon; the mental abstraction externalized as sound - via atmosphere - or form - via light.
Nihilists took this and made it into godly creative power - they mystified 'logos'. They began worshipping words as godly or satanic, as magical world creating, i.e subjectivity found its world-creating power in language.
they worshipped word-smiths as saintly beings, messianic figures, saving them from a phenomenal reality with their poetics, allegories and metaphors, mistaking effect on humanity for universal power.
Language is Nihilism's only source of power, because its words refer to nothing outside minds, and so are impotent to everything except those who can use and understand the same words in the same ways....logos.
To worship the one-God, the Tower of Babel has to be reduced to one semiotic reference, unifying and producing uniformity of form, thought, action.  
Nihilism is a defensive psychology, finding in words the comforting, and soothing, it desperately needs to cope with reality.

The Modern thinks that if it does not agree, if it refuses to acknowledge a fact, that this fact ceases to exist.
Another example of the the power ascribed to logos.
As if their convictions, their acknowledged, is necessary for something to be true, implying, of course, that reality is subjective.
So, if they remain sceptical, or they deny race, for instance, race no longer exists; or that if they seed doubt to all minds, then that which is doubted ceases to exist, as if seeding doubt about sexual differences makes them disappear.
The implication returns us to Christian faith. If you believe, then god answers. If your convictions are strong enough then they produce a real effect - the positive - but the opposite is also true, for such imbeciles. If you deny, are strongly unconvinced, then that which you refuse to believe is negated.
The Divine power of Logos: Reason/Unreason, God/Satan.
They think they have overcome Abrahamism, but there they are, applying different words to describe the same, exact, Abrahamic concepts, expressing the same types of psychologies that were gathered by the original dogmas.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyWed Mar 20, 2019 7:23 am

One can argue the similarities are an inevitable part of culturalization, but if no humility in its face: a demonstration of desperate attachment to the fed lie. Real 'milady' fedora tippers that managed to find confidence in their bullshit.

Part of the male psyche opens up, other parts deemed necessary close down, after successful courtship of a woman. Instincts take over: lying bullshit good, honesty scary bad. Lying bullshit secure fucking, honesty scary deter. Those that are naturally superior have no/less need to bullshit, so this happens less. The closing off is less.

Effeminate behavior is to protect social reputation; women excuse a woman for weakness. They do not deduct sexual points, they see it as 'smart'. Those women more spiritually mature are disgusted by, snobbish toward, or treat as inferior any effeminate men.
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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyWed Mar 20, 2019 7:37 am

Duplicity is part of seduction.
A woman hides her imperfections and accentuates what she thinks are her advantages, creating a false representation of herself - girdles and lipstick.
A man bullshits all the way, presenting a false image of his potentials and possibilities, inflating himself to inspire in the female a desire - metaphors and innuendoes.

A male lowers himself to the female methods of seduction, when he cannot impress with real deeds and actions.
Language has always been a woman's advantage.
Linguistic detachment from reality is a form of emasculation - effete memes cultivate it as part of their parasitical survival strategies.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyWed Mar 20, 2019 7:49 am

Anyone who uses too much unnecessary flowery language, or humour, is someone who is overcompensating for an insecurity he/she may not even be conscious of.

Lacedemonoioi, a.k.a. Dorians, a.k.a, Spartans were known for saying much with as few words as possible.
When words refer to something real, are obvious, one can simply allude to it.
When words are sued to construct an image, a reality, that refers to nothing but internal need, then it become verbose, overly poetic, obscure, creating with insinuation a desired noetic image - compensating for an absent phenomenon.

In an age where men cannot display their quality with actions, heroic deeds, all that is left is a feminine approach, using duplicity and lies to fabricate an illusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyWed Mar 20, 2019 5:35 pm

Satyr wrote:
In an age where men cannot display their quality with actions, heroic deeds, all that is left is a feminine approach, using duplicity and lies to fabricate an illusion.

This why its really hard for me to respect modern "Alphas" who despite their stature and social dominance, lack the courage to preserve anything of value. In fact, these socially affluent men might have been the driving force for much of the degeneracy we see today, perhaps due to a faustian desire to stoically endure as much decay as possible, a twisted masochism.



I recently had an exchange with Vox Day in his newest video of the socio-sexual hierarchy, pointing out the problems with designating modern men as Alphas, to which he excused as my "Gamma" behavior and ignored. I pointed out the irony of him being a critic of modernity and yet believing that the socio-sexual hiearchy hasn't also been flipped on its head just like most other values.

Would today's Alphas would still dominate in an Ancient context? No, they would be Beta males at best.

I'm beginning to think that the ideal ancient noble was a "Sigma", not an alpha, only a Sigma could think outside himself and his dominance.
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There are no real alphas.
The State the institution, is the top-dog.
All biological males are below, or in jail, or dead.

What they call 'alpha' these days is someone who looks the part - has the genetic markers of a dominant male - but also has the feminine guile to remain within the permissible boundaries, mostly displayed in his ability to make money.
Money gives him some leeway to display, like an alpha, but remain within the 'law' of the dominant male, the Institution, with which he cannot relate, because it is faceless and, in heterogeneous systems, it has no core genetic/memetic identity the male can identify with - see the US and its 'culture of no culture' promoting the American 'individual', which is nothing but a male who has no past, no connections to others, other than their shared individualism, and seeks approval through money and money through selling himself, as an icon/idol, of the fashionable ideal. The ideal shifts from generation to generation, but given the dominance of genes in human psychology, the image of the alpha remains relatively the same...as I mentioned when I started this post.

The beta now gains the 'right' of pretending to be an alpha, or the privilege of representing the true dominant masculine energy, the institution, i.e. Presidency.
He does so, ironically - because irony and paradoxes are always involved when dealing with nihilism - by proving his worthiness to the institution - selling himself, or prostituting himself.  
Elections, are pandering to the lowest-common-denominator, to become popular. The system approves of you and promotes you, and guides you, once you've proven that you will not contradict its dominance.

Females are mostly oblivious, as are effete males...so the majority.
They are taken over, swept away, and they justify it after-the-fact, when it's entirely instinctive and subconscious.
Females are told what type fo biological male they should desire, because the system provides such a male with the resources to seduce female...but, because genes have not been overcome by memetic programming, she still responds to the genetic markers. These can be physical, primarily, but also psychological, mental, intellectual.  
It's possible for a modern female to desire a male she pragmatically chooses not to surrender to, and to surrender to a male the system promotes, but she does not desire.
All sexual seduction, in thee nihilistic modern days, is feminine. Males displaying, but not being aggressive, because that can lead them to incarceration. the male has to become feminine in his passivity and coyness, signalling physically, using dress, material wealth etc.

Females are convinced it's because of their 'strength, independence and intelligence' that males are 'intimidated, when its the system that is the true cause of male insecurity; it is the true provider protector. The biological male wants to be a proxy of its intangible power - the physical extension of its ideological dominance.
One strategy is hypocrisy, linguistic innuendoes, hyperbole, humour...all words and no deeds. Deeds are highly regulated and restricted.
This god is 'logos'.
This is why feminine spirit dominate, as do feminine memes.
Women are good with words and words are all that is permitted. But these are now also being regulated...so the future looks bleak.
Anxiety forces caution, so language is becoming increasingly vague, insinuating, obscure...retaining plausible deniabilty.

This is a by-product of Nihilism and language being detached from reality - the feminization of mankind continues.
The emasculation of a culture's males means that if technologies do not provide a sufficient compensation, for what is degraded and lost, then the culture is doomed to fall to more masculine cultures.

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An unfortunate, yet predictable, by-product of degeneracy is rooted in their 'subjectivity' obsession, denying the existence of an objective world, independent from it.
They convince themselves that if they believe something, strongly enough, that it becomes true.
Belief is a necessary prerequisite but not a guarantee.
For them conviction is an absolute fact.
They declare themselves this or that, as if by naming it and repeating it, that it becomes fact, or they think that if they simply disagree that what is being proposed never becomes fact.
And if they gather a few imbeciles who will be convinced by their denials or declarative statements, that this validates the fact all the more.

The power of 'logos' is a de facto all-encompassing omnipotence.
Nihilism is entirely linguistic, i.e. ideology, pure and absolute. With no external references or validations requires, other than the agreement of other subjective minds.
They intuitively believe that if they fool others that, somehow, they fool the cosmos itself, or that if they convince others that this alters the cosmos itself.

They use language to 'trick' reality, because fooling themselves, deceiving themselves, and others, is a deception of cosmic proportions.

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The typical desperate degenerate thinks of 'nature' as something separate from himself, as he once approached the cocnept of God, the absolute other, and later Humanity, as the divine replacement of the idea of God.

He is convinced that his attitude towards nature will save him from it, or himself, and his own nature.


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(s)he will claim that humans have risen above nature, while implying that the modern environment is an expression of it.
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She will and she does.
She intentionally, or conveniently, mistakes human environments - that often warp natural processes, in favour of human desires and motives, as these are shaped by human ideals - for indifferent nature.

Whereas all that emerges in world, i.e. nature, can be called 'natural' we use language to differentiate and clarify, specific phenomena, within nature.
I, for instance, differentiate living from non-living unities using memory as the decisive distinguishing factor.
What differentiates a living organism from a non-living particle, or element - i.e. matter/energy - is that memory connects the causal chains involved in the emergence of an individual organism, and memories, in the form of DNA, inform and direct its behaviour, and accumulated memories, called experiences, in sophisticated organisms, are used to direct its behaviour, directing its choices.

I also use the term 'artificial' to distinguish it form unconscious natural processes, so as to clarify human effects on human destiny.
I repeat my definition of 'artificial', in relation to 'natural' environments:

Artificial: When the interventions of an organism upon its environment begin to surpass, in affecting the organism itself, to a greater degree than the environment intervened upon, then we call this environment 'artificial', for it disappears when and if the organism ceases to intervene, and all returns to natural order.
Therefore, although all organisms intervene upon the environment they are attempting to survive within, only man has intervened to a DEGREE where his own interventions are affecting him more than the environment he intervened upon - the negative by-products of these interventions are called 'pollution', although most prefer to focus on the benefits, the positive, and not the costs.
Pollutants are both genetic and memetic, both physical - material - and mental - psychological.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.],and Sociopathic/Cynicism are but two such psychological manifestations of mental 'pollution'.

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The Romans found this out for themselves, in regards to what developed into Christianity...among the feeble and the desperate, the liar is lord, and vice must become a virtue.
Feebleness preaches to the feeble, to cope with its own feebleness; cowardice gains courage from manipulating the cowardice of others; weakness grows proud among weaklings; the impoverished feel rich among the even more impoverished; the ill finds hope in the more severe illness of others.

This is the dynamic that makes Nihilism a useful tool for exploiting and manipulating the masses.

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Desperate Degenerates pretend to be 'rebels' and free-thinkers when all they do is adhere to authorities and worship icons an idols - if not overtly, then covertly, by altering the words used to refer to the same conventional thoughts.

The irony is that Nietzsche is presently the Modern Nihilist's iconic idol, replacing Jesus or some other authority figurehead as their idol representing their 'true quality'.
So you have some crazy-assed shit going on - funny but sad, at the same time.
You get these hippie- rebels who are so obsessed with him that he's become their master, while they pretending to be liberates and 'unique' unconventional thinker. Thn you have anti-Abrahamics, focusing on Christianity as the target of their vitriol, who have simply replaced Abrahamisc absolutism and worshipping a Judeo-Christian one-god, with a cocnept that differs only in that it rejects the anthropomorphous metaphorical imagery, but retains every single other component. These last also adopt Nietzsche as a replacement for Jesus; a kind of new Messiah to accompany their New Age crypto-Abrahamism.....the irony of the idol discrediting the very ideas they indirectly worship, is hilarious...and a bit scary.
Human insanity is always a bit of both - comedic but also tragic; funny but also scary, if you think about it and you place it into your own circumstances.

Christianity is being revamped by integrating Nietzsche into the repackaged synthesis. What hammered the final nail in Abrahamic dogma is now being assimilated into it, so as to strengthen it for the next century or millennium.
It's Christianity, 2.0.
Like virus that survives antibiotics. If the antibiotics do not kill the virus then what remains comes back stronger, more virile, as a super-virus.

We are entering the age of the super-virus.
An age of freaks and monsters - psychological sub-races, like the ones described in the thread [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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For the average Modern whigger, a.k.a. rebel with no clue, Nieatzasche si like one of those 'killer' [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] who can 'spit' out da rhymes, to da sexy beat, 'destroying' pretenders and, and, how do they call it, 'keep it real', talkin' 'bout Fax....in linguistically pretty verbiage.
It's the effect they covet....lacking the talent, they settle for imitation on a lower level, declaring themselves the 'next stage' like they does in cRap videos - a continuous crap-battle of one-upmanship that sells to the gullible men-children a dose of testosterone-soaked excitement.
It's all about the image, bra....that's what brings da Benajmins...

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Degenerates in their degeneration, are desperate; desperate for many things, one of which is to preserve or maintain, or return to innocence, reducing the sense of insecurity and vulnerability self-awareness produces, by finding something external to accuse and to blame.
Christians invented 'sin', to explain their state of mind, and a lifetime of pretentious self-abnegation as a purification process on their path towards absolute innocence.
Secular Nihilists, i.e., Modern, have updated the process by eliminating the middle-man, they simply abnegate self as a starting premise, declaring their 'innocence' as an innate part of their being.
Like their Abrahamic brethren they admit to some culpability, indirectly, as an aspect of accepting the absolute's absolute authority - a joyful submission.

Herd psychology, all the way.

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The enclosure is what Nihilists want to preserve - its their herd psychology, their victim instinct, that wants to be a domesticated slave, rather than risk the openness of the wilds.
A mind terrified of possibilities, expanding....multiplying.....is a mind that will seek refuge in the absolute enclosure of the whole...of the One.
A miserly mind, attracted to misers offering hope for a pretty penny.
Faustian spirit is about expanses....the wilderness of exploding possibility, with few probabilities.
It's where judgement is a matter of life or death.

Enclosed minds, within enclosures, i.e., institutionalized psychotics, safe in incarceration, well-taken care for, certain of their fate. It comes from without.
One = God....by any other name.
'God by any other name would feel as absolutely certain...'
Absolute for absolution.
To surrender to the warm embrace of an all-encompassing being, a soothing will, to absolve us of all out sins....our genetic imperfections manifesting as errors in judgement, poor choices, wrong moves...returning us to absolute innocence, only guilty of ignorance.
'Thy kingdom come, thy Will be done, on earth as it is in heaven....'
Hallelujah.
If this is what Nietzsche meant by Will to Power, then I'll have no part in it, and no piece of it.
And he said Christianity was done with, and that its one-God was 'dead'.
He rises.....he rises from the dead, like a zombie he will not die, for he is purified idea, comforting and sweet; a warm blanket for men-children refusing to grow up.
As long as there shall be desperate degenerates, he shall rise to offer them salvation....until they inherit the earth, and finally reach the Garden...of....Eden, i.e., paradise, a.k.a, Utopia.

Hypocrites the lot of them. Multiplying by the minute.
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Degenerates are always desperate to make their addictive obsessive state of self-induced [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], into a profound experience of mind-altering, world-exposing, mysticism.
It's part of the addictive/obsessive defensiveness of the Modern degenerate.
Language, chemicals, concepts....nothing will be spared their desperate desire to escape the world.
The 'high' is presented as a 'heightened' state, when it is a lowered state of perception - Nietzsche never drank or did nay drugs, yet many of them worship him as a god-idol....because that';s what degenerate do on every opportunity.
They want to raise their vice into a New Age virtue....rather than trying to deal with the vice and discipline themselves to the pursuit of virtue.
It's all part of the Nihilistic reversion methodology - health si sickness, sickness is health...everything is reversed linguistically, semiotically, metaphorically; a symptom of weakness and cowardice, becomes a sign of courage and vigour.
in their inebriated high they perceive strange visions, adding to their desired confusions....the surreal becomes real, and the real surreal. Simulations of simulacrum, in the Desert of the real, drams acquires a realism the mind does not want to let go of - who can ever endure a desert he is responsible for?
Who can escape 40 years of wandering in the desert, escaping slavery, unless he has a mind-altering, inverting epiphany, delivered in a moment of great stress as a vision?

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Sociopahty and hyper-masculinty trying to hide homosexual impulses, huh? Never considered it. Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptyTue Apr 16, 2019 7:13 pm

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Sociopahty and hyper-masculinty trying to hide homosexual impulses, huh? Never considered it. Suspect

It makes sense, when i was looking up why D.H. Laurence had not been demonized like other thinkers, i found that he had received a similar treatment as that of Nietzsche, with moderns selectively using his criticism of Christianity and ignoring his Pagan impulses.

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Wikipedia wrote:
While writing Women in Love in Cornwall during 1916–17, Lawrence developed a strong and possibly romantic relationship with a Cornish farmer named William Henry Hocking. Although it is not clear if their relationship was sexual, Frieda said she believed it was. Lawrence's fascination with the theme of homosexuality, which is overtly manifested in Women in Love, could be related to his own sexual orientation. In a letter written during 1913, he writes, "I should like to know why nearly every man that approaches greatness tends to homosexuality, whether he admits it or not ..." He is also quoted as saying, "I believe the nearest I've come to perfect love was with a young coal-miner when I was about 16." However, given his enduring and robust relationship with Frieda it is likely that he was primarily "bi-curious", and whether he actually ever had homosexual relations remains an open question.

I know Nietzsche is also suspected of being a homosexual, usually by moderns who conflate eros with agape.

With regards to the quote, it seems "great" men might be the source of "positive nihilism", those men who in the pursuit of the ideal wish to conquer the whole Earth projecting what is accomplished by the vitality of numbers of men as his own. Alexander the Great comes to mind.
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The remark was facetious but yeah...homosexuality is a corruption of the sexual act, so homosexuals have an interest in giving their degeneration a 'positive' spin.
It follows that Nihilism is a defensive reaction to self-awareness, and homosexuality has much to be defensive about.
Many men who are called 'great' have been positive Nihilists....like Jesus, or should it be Saul who sought popularity among the slaves in the Roman catacombs where desperation was sufficient to corrupt reasoning?
Even he showed shamelessness in this marketing from town square to town square across the Roman Empire. A tribal trait proving that stereotypes are more than prejudices.

In the shit holes of Urban environments many a man sought greatness, measuring it with quantities, such as money.
Now its on-line, on electronic Circuses.

Homosexual males have a shamelessness that liberates them. Once a man degrades himself by admitting that he enjoys getting fucked like a woman, there's not much to feel embarrassed about.
Every homosexual I ever came across was entertaining, for that reason alone.

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Degeneracy fakes victimhood to mask his genetic and spiritual deficiencies.
He calls out for help, extending his hands to be lifted out of a predicament, but he is a lying coward pretending to desire to rise up, when all he truly desires is to pull the world down with him.
And all because he cannot endure the shame of dying with the reputation of being deficient.

But as we all know, when we watch a documentary on predators and prey, or when we hear of a infant dying of cancer, life is unfair, and feebleness faces an inevitable heartless end.
There is no absolution - because there is no absolute.

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As the decline of the US empire becomes increasingly obvious and unavoidable, desperate degenerates will shift, one by one, from one camp to the other, claiming to have always belonged to the coming age as they gradually denounce all the beliefs and principles they once held as their 'absolute truths'.

Degeneracy does not vanish....it lies - adopting whatever is trending, is popular, at any given point in time and place....they are essentially the quintessential Modern.
No core beliefs, no defining values, no integrity...all a matter of survival, and 'fitting in, i.e., disappearing in the multitude as a distinct member of a collective.
Their language reflects this need to remain as ambiguous as is required to maintain plausible deniabilty - so as to 'convincingly' claim to believe the opposite, if need be, when the unforeseeable occurs.

Herd psychology means a persistent desire to belong to the herd - distinguishing self in relation to it; referring and deferring to it, in the hope of standing out without standing apart.

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One shouldn't tell desperate degenerates how predictable they are because then they'll go out of their way to prove you wrong - they have no principles, except one, to hold them back, so it will be easy for them.
What you do is play along with the delusions about their self-declared grandeur, sophistication and enlightenment and then watch them prove themselves wrong with their every action.

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I love ramming it up their gaping, distended ass-hole, so I'm going to do it again...

-A degenerate claims to not believe in an Abrahamic one-god, having 'transcended the debunked idea, but then he describes a universe and himself within it in exactly the same way as if there were a absolute totalitarian absolute one-god. They've transcended honesty and progressed towards lies and self-deceit.
What does it matter if you call it a rose or a pie...if it smells and looks the same? What's in a name?
For desperate degenerates presumably mystical occult magic.
They may not consider themselves Abrahamic believers but they sure as hell share the same foundations as Jews, Christians, and Muslims....meanwhile some are obsessed with Nietzsche. Like Modern Christians obsessed with the icon/idol Jesus', believing in Saul's corruption of his message...so not really the Christ....but the anti-Christ, or the alternate-Christ.  

-A desperate degenerate uses the concept of 'nil' as a saviour god...in the inverse, if need be.
He can offer no 'better alternative, for example, to Evolution Theory, but he shits on it on the grounds that it isn't perfect....so if he finds a flaw, which he inevitably will because there is no absolute, then this is reason enough to dismiss a theory, particularly if it threatens his degenerate ego.
See, he takes it for granted that a 'debunker one-god of Abraham mus, ought, should be replaced by an equally absurd secular version of the exact same concept....without the anthropomorphic crap.
If you do not provide an absolutely perfect, complete alternative then he considers this reason enough to dismiss all theories - uniformity of idiocy.
The absent absolute is both a eraser and a weapon of assault - nil is the flip side of the Nihilistic coin.
On the other the crude bunch of desperate men-children who think this make man a god, creator of absolutes.
Two poles of the same bipolar shit sandwich of insanity.  Get them together and they can go on and on forever....or until they finally die.

-Sucking an icon/idol's intellectual penis while at the same time calling yourself a 'free-thinker, or a free-spirit, or some kind of masculine rebel, is, to say the least ironic.
I mean, be a Nietzsche-bitch, feel proud through association....but do me the favour and own it. I you're going to be a mind-whore, admit it and be the best whore on the block. Own your femininity....be the perfect emasculated man-child, or man-bitch.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptySat May 04, 2019 7:29 am

-Then there are those degenerates who have replaced the one-god, with the primordial one or the absolute one, and god's will with  universal will, believing that man has no agency and is but a minion in a universal absolute cycle with no hope of altering anything.
Whether they know it or not, they imply that the universe is like a movie and man the audience watching the same movie - movie and audience are part of the film. A repeating movies with no end.
Not really like a movie because a movie can be corrupted by the human factor or machinery breaking down...no this is a perfect movie, an absolutely perfect one, in fact, with no possibility of anything ever, aeon after aeon, ever changing. Change itself is illusory....change is unchanging....it repeats....a sequence is a better word for it as they understand things in their demented needy minds - changeless change....repeating cycles of the same....over and over.  A description of madness.
There's not even the possibility of learning, of gaining something from the repetition, because even this has been determined and is part of the absolute perfection. Then there's stoic enduring, but even this has been determined, and nothing to brag about.
The description is of a illusory change, which is really sequences, of absolute order, repeating ad infinitum forever.
Now why would they believe in such nonsense other than their idiocy?
One reason is that it offers a back-door to eternal life. See, even the secularized version of Abrahamism must offer eternity as a recompense for submissiveness - for them it is preferable to repeat the same life than to die.
The Buddhists, of course, offer a way out with their won brand of word-games.
So make sure you live a life you will enjoy reliving....Nietzsche's eternal recurrence - psychological testing or motivational therapy for the obtuse.
Then there are those who find in this absolution an escape from personal responsibility; an escape from embarrassment into the welcoming embrace of shamelessness. They would rather sacrifice their ego than expose it to the possibility that it is inferior, or not of the high quality they are convinced it is.
Anything is better to the realization that your mind, despite your quoting and referencing is not that bright....proven by the circumstances you now seek relief from.
It's one thing to know and another to understand; one thing to stand behind some icon/idol and another to prove yourself through your judgements.
Of course thy will heroically claim that they are in a 'good spot', as they planned it....which contradicts their won positions, but this is a stoic way of coping with the shit you've placed yourself in, over decades of poor judgement calls, or a mind unable to read the environment.
They can't even unload their responsibilities on others- as they so desperately want - because this comes I conflict with the method they use to evade their own culpability, so they depersonalize the other....make it a faceless universal concept, an absolute order....no need for all that Christian anthropomorphic imagery; this version of the same idea is an updated, advanced one...losing some of the primal gratification but gaining abstraction as an evasive manoeuvre.
The 'other' to expunge personal shame, and responsibility is an ideology...a concept...an abstraction, and although many of them, in their naive youth, did fall into the self-contradiction of accusing the neighbour, the system, the authorities, they've become aware of how ridiculous this makes them look, and how this self-contradiction exposes their true motives...so they've adapted, matured, they've 'progressed' sacrificing the tangible face they can accuse and hate, and unload their own imperfections upon, for a concept.
Is this not also part of a big plan?
Ironically, their animosity for authority figures is accompanies by a feminine-obsession for authorities, to hide behind, to refer and defer to, establishing them as mind-slaves through the repeating aeons.
In this animosity and addiction to authority figures, whether it be the post-modern favourite Nietzsche, or Marx, or Hume....or hume-ever....is where their secret motive, their deep desire and need continues to expose itself - and they are not even aware of it.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again....the Abrahamic one-god, who comes from Zoroastrianism, has never gone away....he has never died.....he has been reborn....renamed....and lives as idea - this is the metaphorical narrative of the Christ story. As long as there are needy desperate minds the idea will never die.
The one-god is now renamed....and Christianity continues under a new heading, towards the same directions, i.e., circular. As long as desperate degenerates are born and survive there will be a need for an absolute Deity to mitigate, offering them 'pride' kin their shamelessness, immortality in their mortality, perfection in their imperfections, escape in their desperations.

To protect the high opinion he has of himself the desperate degenerate would sacrifice his free-will than face what his life choices say about the quality of his mind.
But he admits it indirectly, unable to accept accountability for what he secretly considers 'negativity'....otherwise he would be the frost to brag about how it all went as he intended it. The fact that he wants to distance himself/herself from the results exposes a negative assessment, which he then must adopt a positive attitude towards...to survive, and to not go mad or kill himself.
The idea that in the one and only opportunity you fucked it all up, si too much for his ego to endure. He must unload it upon another...and though, like I said, he begins with the usual errors in judgement, of accusing others of his condition - contradicting his own method of self-comforting - he is made aware - because he cannot think for himself - of the contradiction, forcing him to make compromises.....so he sacrifices the pleasing tangible other, he can rebel and scream at and blame, using it as a externalization of his own 'negative' qualities, for the sake of consistency....replacing the tangible other - the state the police officer, the girls that turned him down, the boss that fired him, anyone who 'wronged' him or was 'unjust' towards him etc. - with an intangible abstract otherness, i.e., god....or in its secular form the pseudo-intellectual concept of 'one', absolute, whole etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 8 EmptySun May 05, 2019 4:42 am

A culture of victim mentality makes a world of bleaters. It sounds cliche, but I see it everywhere. Victims do not take responsibility, they make demands. Demands the so-called offenses cease against them. In everyday conversation, they have a tinny undertone to everything they argue. As if continually on the cusp of total despair. Rather than accept some hardship which gives them perspective, they act as if it is the end of their life... And I don't even think they're wrong, if they are so weak that it's the case. Not that they're incapable, but unwilling. Spiritual fortitude is a fruit of self-inflicted severity.
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