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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptySun Aug 04, 2019 8:40 am

Confusing the real from the ideal, is what underlies this attempt to doubt one's ability to discern between what is noumenon and what is phenomenon – what is a dream and what is not. This is a method of eroding self-awareness and confidence in one's own mind. A welcomed process by those who have lost confidence in their own judgements and in their own sensual acuity, hoping to promote and spread their feebleness as a universal truth; welcomed by those who have found the world to be "too much for them to handle" (majority), or "too little for them to be gratified" (minority). The difference between them is how they deal with their own ability to deal with the world's indifferent uncertainty, having been born and raised within sheltering environments producing excess libidinal energies and ennui; excess energies that must be continuously expunged (decadence), and ennui replacing physical needs with mental disinterest, desiring excitement and adventure within controlled, predictable, circumstances.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptySun Aug 04, 2019 9:27 am

Mencken, H.L. wrote:
The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre – the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men.
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
I think the Rubicon has been crossed, with George W. Bush, and we are now in the phase of the aftermath – decadence. A moron replaced by an utter and complete self-aggrandizing narcissist able to unabashedly prostitute himself for the sake of fame & fortune. A mind not only vacuous but completely void of any substance, filling in the emptiness with external adulation; manipulating the multiplying hordes of desperate degeneracy.

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Desperate Degenerates invest in the "what if"...the absence of absolutes.
As long as there's a smidgen of doubt....they feel validated to belief in any absurdity; as long as there's some absence of an absolute there's hope.
With no God, no representation of an absolute, the plain is left wide own, in their degenerate minds...and in this field of possibilities their own degenerate one still remains viable...as long as it is protected from itself.

So, for such degenerates, communal sharing is not only fundamental, it's a matter of life or death.

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Desperate Degenerate always pronounce themselves as the criterion...as if conviction them is the mutilate validation of any theory.
Their mind is consumed by absolutism, believing that as long as one fraction of doubt remain, in them, if nowhere else, then the implications of a theory no longer apply....universally.
It is either universally valid, or, not....and as long as a fraction of a fraction of doubt, remains unconvinced, then the validity of a theory is postponed....making themselves the defenders of truth and justice that is not communally accepted.
A "hero" of uniformity.

The absolute has corrupted their minds, or whatever was ever present to be corrupted.
They think of themselves as 'protectors of subjectivity".
As if, their resistance to admitting defeat constitutes a victory.

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In an ultimate display of arrogance and narcissism, feigning to be humble scepticism, the Desperate Degenerate will present itself as the final arbiter...as if convincing it of anything, constitutes a final and complete validation of any proposition...and as long as it remains unconvinced then the proposition remains invalidated....and so, in its subjectivist absolutist mind - the one that was once seduced by Abrahamism and Communism - as long as a fraction of a fraction of doubt remains, expressed by one mind, then the idea remains ineffective and impotent. It does not apply to it.
It is convinced of this because its own beliefs, throughout its lifetime, have been based on subjective and noetic references...and nothing else besides. This personal fact is the foundation of its conviction that this is a cosmic truism, applicable to all minds.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptySun Aug 04, 2019 9:12 pm

Mencken, H.L. wrote:
The one permanent emotion of the inferior man, as of all simpler mammals, is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants beyond everything else is security. His instincts incline him towards society so organized that it will protect him at all hazards, and not only against perils to his hide but also against assaults upon his mind – against the need to grapple with unaccustomed problems, to weigh ideas, to think things out for himself, to scrutinize the platitudes upon which his everyday thinking is based.

Fear is the underlying emotion of a the Desperate Degenerates Nihilism; his worship of the nil.
He will accept no answer except one that nullifies the terrifying real. It's uncertain indifference is the source of his anxiety.
Fear is why he denies his own perceptions, hoping they will prove to be mere illusions.
Fear is the source of his cynical scepticism, laughing away anxiety; converting his tragedy into a comedy.

Fear is why he turns to religion, to idealism and finally to the philosophy of the nil.

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A Desperate Degenerate cannot differentiate between what is a human construct and what evolves without any human intervention.
He doesn't want to clarify his mind of such confusions, because he always wants to make it all a hum,an construct so as to have someone to blame, and to preserve the hope that it all can be altered with a change of attitude.

The gene/meme relationship is intentionally convoluted, absorbing the former into the more easily manipulated former.
In the area of morality and ethics this is most obvious.  
I use "morality" to refer to behaviours that impose a behaviour of cooperation and altruism - a staple among many social species - but also those that establish a restriction to particular forms of copulation - such as incest; I use "ethos" to refer to manmade social rules of conduct that impose additional restrictions, necessitated by the by-product of human meddling into human balances, such as those producing overpopulation,requiring behaviours that have not evolved through natural processes, i.e., survival of the fittest and culling mechanisms, e.g. Mosaic Commandments establishing the first theocratic system.
The Ten Commandments is a list of ethical social rules, adding to naturally evolved moral behaviours. In them we see the difference between genetically evolved behaviours - intrinsic - and manmade rules - extrinsic -imposing  restrictions on the previous due to the environmental changes caused by human interventions, or sublimating and integrating them into more focused set of social etiquette and behaviours - particularly in regards to sexual conduct, i.e., male and female promiscuity.


Although the distinction between genetic and memetic rules of conduct, the typical Degenerate, overwhelmed by his or her Desperation, intentionally canto discern any difference.
Morality has to become a construct....such as a godly decree, and if not a godly one then it must remain a manmade one. By all means it cannot be allowed to enter the context of natural selection, where it can be demystified and made less malleable by human social influences.
If not God - as absolute authority - then man - as imperfect yet still an authority. Man's imperfections are "corrected" by sublimating individuals, of a biological species, into a noetic concept, such as "humanity," acquiring some of the divine attributes and sacred authority of the one-God that has been "overcome", i.e., divine qualities replaced by human quantities - in Democratic systems - or simply transferred to a human representative - in totalitarian systems.

A Desperate Degenerate must reduce it all to a social construct, where it all "makes sense" to it, or where it offers hope for change, for wiser minds to intervene, for social winds to shift, altering them forever.
It's nature's indifferent uncertainty that frightens him or her with a finality, a judgement, he cannot ask leniency from.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyTue Aug 06, 2019 8:49 am

Once you enter into a dialogue with a Desperate Degenerate on the ground of absolutes, you've already conceded a point that traps you in his/her nihilistic psychosis.
The dialogue will go nowhere other than to a total, absolute, surrender to the nil.
The nil being more powerful than the one, since it requires no energy to exist as a theoretical ideal. It negates all, simply by exploiting the absence it worships as a replacement for the one-god, i.e., the epitome of positive nihilism, the absolute one.
Absence of an absolute already implies its advantage, within the parameters of absolutist psychology.

On a similar note.....entering into a discussion with a Christian on the existence of a one-god has already capitulated to the absurd, conceding to an absurd hypothesis with no merit, other than that it is spoken and presented as a "possibility".
Over the course of the discussion the Christian, having attained a first admission - by the mere willingness to discuss an unsubstantiated concept such as a one-god - will twist the conversation to the negative, demanding that the other disprove the existence of an absurdity he cannot offer evidence for, nor arguments in its support.
Demanding that others prove a negative, implying that an inability to do so, absolutely, merely supports its own absurdity.

Mark Twain said it first.
 
We may adjust the quote to include the Degenerate, who through some genetic factor or a mental illness has settled upon the absurd as a form of salvation; like a drowning man grasps his own hair trying to pull himself out of the water - desperation is a poor advisor.
Dialogue with an insane Desperate Degenerate, or coward, is futile, necessitating a capitulation to absurdity, as a starting premise.
Once this first submission has been made - for whatever reason - the discussion cannot escape its gravitational pull.
For example, once you've accepted the idea of a one-god, fro the sake of an argument, you've already surrendered to its absurdity. The only way to combat absurdity, or insanity, is with an equal to it insane absurdity. You've entered into the playground of the degenerate where he has more experience, having never experienced anything outside it.

To put it more bluntly...you can't reason with insanity.
If you even try, you've entered into insanity, under the naive presumption that you can heal it, and return it to sanity. One cannot be "returned to a state it has never been in. Precedent is enlightening, and limiting - it revels probability within possibilities.

There are only two ways to deal with insanity and absurdity. One is legal, the other is punishable - so there's only one option, in fact.
All other options are dead ends, leading to frustration, much to the pleasure of the insane mind who has found in insanity a source of pride.
Actually there's a third option requiring stamina and a swallowing of your won pride...but which promises some form of guaranteed payback for your investment in time and self-repression.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyTue Aug 06, 2019 9:21 am

We can expose the source of the naive presumption - mentioned above - that infects the minds of both irrational and rational minds.
The presumption is a subconscious hope that Locke's tabula rasa is actually fact, i.e., that all men are born "clean slates" and only have their minds written upon in the course of their lifetime; that there is no innate programming (DNA codes) constituting human nature and the potentials of every individual.
Ironically they share this delusion with the "stupid people" they then enter into dialogue with, hoping to lead them out of their idiocy back to a state they have never occupied.
This is their own naive absurdity, lurking in their own psyche, as a secret presumption they continuously fail to take into consideration. A common ground with the insane and the stupid people they then engage in dialogue hoping to "heal" or to "convince".
So, in fact, we have two absurdities, each thinking itself superior to the other, engaged in a futile battle to convince the other of their insanity.

Genetics are merciless.
Just as you cannot "heal a chimpanzee of its apishness" you cannot "correct" a mind of its entrapment in absolutes.
Dialogue, training, social engineering cannot raise an ape to the level of an average homo sapient.    
Any attempt to do so is not merely naive, but based on the presumption I mentioned earlier, i.e., that genetic differences are a product of social factors and/or culturally engineered, and/or social constructs.
Among humans the subtlety of the divergence is such that it is more difficult to perceive - and so more easily dismissed or ignored - as in the case of primates differing from one another; furthermore, humans are reluctant to accept what they perceive, fearing the implications upon their own welfare.  
Yet....for the same reason that it is absurd and foolish - a product of romantic idealism - to even consider as possible the raising of a chimpanzee to the level of a homo sapient with mere training, social engineering, and/or dialogue, it is equally absurd - romantically idealistic and naive - to hope that with dialogue one can "correct" a mind trapped in absolutism and nihilism.
What is involved here is not only genetic limitations but psychological motives.
More so, when one considers the fact that a homo sapient may be motivated not to rise above his genetic limitations and to become more; something a primate will never be able to understand, even if some way is found to communicate this rejection as a survival strategy.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyFri Aug 09, 2019 8:00 am

Rand, Ayn wrote:
Since nature does not endow all men with equal beauty or equal intelligence, and the faculty of volition leads men to make different choices, the egalitarians propose to abolish the ‘unfairness’ of nature and of volition, and to establish universal equality in fact—in defiance of facts. Since personal attributes or virtues cannot be ‘redistributed,’ they seek to deprive men of their consequences—of the rewards, the benefits, the achievements created by personal attributes and virtues. It is not equality before the law that they seek, but inequality: the establishment of an inverted social pyramid, with a new aristocracy on top—the aristocracy of non-value.
Anyone who, like Rand, expresses a fact that cannot be dismissed subjectively is immediately associated with Objectivism, or any objective world order which is denied existence.
This is how Desperate degenerates categorize philosophers and ideologies.

Any opinions which is harsh, contrary to their ideals, and that they can offer no rational response to, is dismissed - out of hand - on the basis of its imperfection, its absence of an absolute certainty, and associated with everything that is uncompromising and indifferent about a world that terrifies them.
The spokesman for reality becomes the face of reality, converting it to a subjective opinion, no different than any other.
What lacks empirical evidence, reasoning, and arguments to validate itself is now the equal of what is empirical, has rational arguments and is based no reasoning.

Mencken, H.L. wrote:
All the progress that has been made in the art during the past fifty or sixty years has been based upon quiet filches from the camera, just as all the progress that has been made in panting has been based upon filches from the spectroscope. When one finds a painter who professes to disdain these scientific aids, one always beholds a painter who is actually unable to draw or paint, and who seeks to conceal his incompetence by clothing it in hocus-pocus.
This is the origin of the Modern Art that regales us with legs eight feet long, complexions of olive green, and human heads related to the soap-box rather than the edam cheese. This is the origin of all the gabble one hears in ratty and unhealthy studios about cubism, vortism, futurism and other such childish follies.

In the same way a tallentless fArtists can mask his lack of talent in avant guard artistic styles, i.e., cubism, surrealism, so too can a imbecile pretend to be a philosopher, an insightful intellect, by using obscurantism, and a coward, with no ability to defend his own preferences hide this inadequacy through deconstruction others into oblivion.
The power of the absent absolute is psychological.

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Mencken, H.L wrote:
No democratic delusion is more fatuous than that which holds that all men are capable of reason, and hence susceptible to conversion by evidence. If religions depended upon evidence for their prolongation, then all of them would collapse. It is not only that the actual evidence they offer is extremely dubious; it is mainly that the great majority of the men they seek to reach are quite incapable of comprehending any evidence, good or bad. They must get at such men through their feelings or resign getting at them altogether.
Emotion dominates the minds of men. The lower down the intellectual scale one falls the further away from the higher faculties one reaches.
Base men are particularly dominated, as are animals, by emotions, sensations, feelings.
It is the only way to have an influence over the masses.
Desperate degenerates, lacking arguments and evidence to support their feel-good ideologies, and their anti-life, anti-natrural order convictions, must reduce it all to an emotion - where, like women, they feel they have an advantage, offering a more pleasing, flattering, comforting perspective, hoping to seduce with its positive promise.

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A Desperate Degenerate's only option, in lieu of a cohesive argument, is "that only your opinion, and I have mine, so let's come together and find a 'common ground'.
As if there were no world at all.
Through the "desired agreement," between the absurd and the empirical, the empirical stands to lose.
Weakness gains in any enforced compromise with the superior; the superior loses.

Imagine wilfully entering into a debate with an insane individual, where you are made to come to some kind of compromise.
The insane individual gains validation through this compromise - something he was lacking.
But what do you gain when compromising with insanity?
A period of peace...perhaps?
But for how long?
Once you've made the first capitulating compromise to insanity - by humouring them, or accepting their unsubstantiated ramblings as "interesting" and/or as "possible" - then the spiral downwards is easy; accepting one compromise after another with every insanity you come in contact with.
In the end you become insane yourself.

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In the post-modern model an adult who enters into dialogue with a child, must capitulate to the child's infantile perspective, because he is unable to prove, absolutely, his won perspective's validity.
the child's subjective perspective is no different than the adult's.
According to these Degenerate's the adult must "lower himself" to the level of the child, and reach a compromise, or admit that their perspectives are equally absurd.
According to their desperate degeneracy, there is no way to test which perspective is superior to the other, therefore the adult must reach an 'agreement", make a "compromise" to the feelings, beliefs of the child.
The adult loses, losers himself, the child rises in significance, feeling the "equal" to the adult.

This is the demented "emoting" of Desperate degeneracy - a strategy that could only have been constructed by feminine minds - matrilineal inheritance spanning across generations of degeneracy.

Inversion then finalizes the process. the adult is labelled "a child", and the child pretends it is the " mature adult".
A retard feels a 'genius," and the genius is reduced to the level of a retard.

How?
The absence of absolutes....the nil, the negative.
But the presence of absolutes rests on a starting presumption - Top<>Down emoting - which is unsubstantiated.
This starting lie, if it is accepted, given the benefit of the doubt, makes all 'truths' lies. Truth loses all meaning.
This is how the very inverted definition of Nihilism inverted the world.
The absence of absolutes, i.e., God, universal morality, meaning, purpose, is not a nil, but a syn - not a minus but a plus.
Syn {ΣΥΝ} = sin.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyFri Aug 09, 2019 9:21 pm

Imagine the desperation of a degenerate who in his effort to add value to the recycled, refurbished and repackaged crap he sells must employ all kinds of sale's pitches and methods to seduce unsuspecting imbeciles, including them as singular clients multiplying the demand to what he can supply; creating a market for what is, otherwise, of no use and of zero value, other than the ephemeral psychological boost experienced by all consumers when they acquire a new gadget or purchase a new service, adding a bit more excitement to their otherwise drab life.

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Desperate Degenerates intentionally and consistently confuse genes with memes.
For example, in the context of morality, they confuse the underlying genetic principle, which is similar across cultural lines, and across species categories, for how this principle is expressed mimetically.
They confuse the underlying genetic principle of femininity, for how this femininity is expressed culturally.
They confuse the underlying genetic principle of the concept "god", with how this concept finds expression and how it is worshipped across different cultures.

They do this continuously trying to level it all down to a cultural construct.

Genes are the product of a relationship between a particular population and a particular environment.
Memes is how this relationship is expressed artistically, culturally, technologically, and linguistically.

In what we call moral behaviour this is most clear, because the same behaviours are not only common across cultural divides but also across species divides - social species display the same altruistic, in-group/out-group restrictions to behaviour.
Meaning that although only in the human species are the encoded and clarified these rules are present in the behaviours of species that have no way of conceiving them, because they are genetically ingrained. We can find similarities in behaviour distinguishing females from males not only across all cultures but across many species.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptySat Aug 10, 2019 5:00 pm

Post-Modernists reject the natural source of moral and sexual behaviours, because they want to convert them to social constructs so as to them impose their own anti-natural moral and sexual behaviours.
They will fail, just as Marxism failed...and for the exact same reasons. It is based no a erroneous idealization of man, founded on a tabula rasa presupposition.
As they've done before, they will never doubt this predisposition, explaining their repeated failure, to impose their naively idealistic Utopia, on external factors.

Post-modernism gives them a way to de-construct this opposition into oblivion....believing that by doing so they've rendered it non-existent.
Their de-construction begins with a similar naive idealistic construct, i.e., the absolute.
They've convinced themselves that with no absolute one - no one-god - then this validates their belief in an absolute nil, and that if they find a flaw in the opposition they have effectively made it irrelevant, or they've equalized it with their own romantic idealism.

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptySat Aug 10, 2019 5:06 pm

Nihilism is now a full-blown disease, permeating academia, in the, so called, west.
The real is so distressing and threatening to the sheltered minds of many westerners that they need to moralize it away.
As if, if it isn't absolute good, in the Abrahamic sense, then it must be absolutely evil; and if there is no universal morality, then there must be a universal immorality, leaving the space empty for man to impose his own fantasies.
They refuse to attach words to reality, afraid to lose this psychologically comforting idealism.
They will never connect words with behaviours, discovering there a connection that spans cultures and species.

If god didn't create these rules, then man must have. In all events, it must be a conscious agency; something and/or someone to blame, or to plead to.
It must be a cosnciuos rational agency because only such an agency can be held accountable and can be accused for the injustices they feel are being imposed upon them.
They need a someone to be victimized by, and to reason with.
Only a rational agency responds to moralistic arguments.

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The Desperate Degenerates mental limitations are exposed in every facet of his being.
Unable to think for himself, he tends to be a mind prone to worship, and to admire and to defer to "mentors" and to surrender to "father figures" and "teachers" indefinitely.
There is, for him, no potential to overcome, to go through the rights of ascendancy, and surpass even his won father, so as to mature and become a free adult.
He becomes trapped in enthralment, remaining a adolescent for a lifetime.This is the source of his pride. His ifantilism, he defines as "youthful" virility, even when it is founded on old, washed-up, ideologies he has adopted from "experts", and judged to be "true" using his tendency towards hedonism.
Animals and children gauge reality using this method....and so do most females.

Unable to mature they become trapped in the simplistic method of sympathy, which they wrongly call "empathy", i.e., projecting themselves, to the degree that they are are aware of it, into other.
The other becomes an idealized representation of their own over-under-estimations of themselves, or the other becomes a vehicle to unload what they intuitively perceive as their availabilities and inferiorities.
This mental limitation forces them to remain fixed, trapped, in their subjectivity.

Their understanding of all concepts, such as free-will, for example, is but a projection, or inverted projection, of what they are most guilty of.
Therefore, their own disbelief and rejection of free-will, in the absolute sense, having been grounded on self-deceit and selective double-standards, becomes an accusation to discredit those who believe in free-will.
Since they are absolutist, they can only think of the other as being an absolutist; since they apply or applied a double-standard, they try to accuse the other of it.

I said it in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], the Desperate Degenerates inability to empathize, without sympathizing, or antipathizing - in other words unable to extricate themselves from their won judgements - makes their every opinion, which is not adopted from another source verbatim, a vehicle of self-exposure.
For instance, their rejection of 'free-will in the absolute sense, always, having been based on a double-standard where they apply a different measure for themselves and another for other, if discovered and exposed as what it is, will quickly become an all-encompassing victimhood, where even the innocence of the other, who they once blamed for their life's woes, are reluctantly offer absolution, so as to preserve innocence for themselves.
Then they seek the double-standard in those who confront their self-serving deceptions, and accuse those who do believe in free-will not only of absolutism but of applying a double-standard with the same motive....to maintain personal "innocence".
Their own motive becomes a universal one.
the only way they can conceptualize free-will is as a method of self-absolution...unable to grasp how free-will implies personal responsibility even when the another's actions are a factor.
They cannot think without a proxy offering them insights so they settle for the easiest of all methods, i.e., projection.

So, while the existence of free-will - to whatever degree - does not mean one accuses others for one's own plight - the exact opposite in fact -, they cannot help but remain trapped in their own psychosis.
With no famous mentor, teacher, icon, to tell them what to think and why, they cannot think outside their own limitations. The mentor becomes a vehicle of pretentiously claiming an overcoming of their limitations, but in the absence of one, this proves to be a lie., and all that is left is them, in their most pure form.

This is why I say....opinions and judgements, if one pushes another to go outside proxies, is a method of discovering the other's true essence.


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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyFri Aug 23, 2019 1:43 pm

Consider the dilemma of a Modern, product of poor genetic stock, that cannot change his or her past, and is stuck trying to make due with an inferiority he's inherited.
He can empathic, with such a creature, without sympathizing nor antipathizing with it.
Consider how seductive ideologies like Abrahamism and Marxism would be to it...in its quest to detach from a past that limits and shames it, while seeking a alternative to rise up and overcome such a past, such an inheritance.
In most cases this may produce a hatred for one's own kin, one';s own family, one's own parents....see liberalism, Marxism, post-modernism.
See cynicism...and the method of laughing away one's dilemmas.
See how language is the perfect tool for detachment from this undesired past - liberation from it. We can all easily dismiss reality away simply by using words that express a psychological motive.

This is why i am pessimistic about interventional strategies.
This is more than simply reasoning and rationalism, logic and intuitive methodology.
This is about survival, at all costs...even sacrificing integrity and reality, in the process.
You can't reason with wild beasts intent to propagate and to survive. There's no argument you can offer, no tactic, no alternative to assuage their underlying pathos. You can't reason with a tsunami.
There's no Propertariansim or Marxism or Democratic ethos, no ideology that can stop this.
This is irrational, not rational; a product of the selfish gene, not the selfish ego.

We will not even attempt to integrate chaos - as in randomness - into ll this mess, so let's stick to organisms and organic life and organizations.
The gene/meme conflicts.

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Let's consider the dilemma of such a creature, becoming a majority on a world of 8 billion+ humans.
What options are left to it?
it has inherited inferior genes - potentials - due to socio-economic factors, to start with, so it is prone to submit to impulses it must blame on something or someone else - already free-will is a none starter in its psychology.
Imagine such a mind accepting responsibility for everything it is, or will ever suffer.....it will go insane.
Survival, for it, demands a selective application of understanding and knowledge. There's no way it will accept an independent external standard - an objective one - its survival and sanity depends on personal standards that select and compartmentalize to help it cope.
There's no possibility to discuss anything on a rational basis...it's main concern is personal survival.


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It's true that Abrahamism weaponized shame, but they did this by selling a duplicitous kind of free-will.
Adam did not really have a real choice. His choice leads to his ancestors requiring salvation from his 'wrong choice'.
Secular degenerates what to get rid of shame altogether, so that their degeneracy cannot be judged as such. So that they can believe that degeneracy has no natural cost.
But then they cannot let go of feeling proud of this, or of other things they accomplish which contradicts their own beliefs.
Self-deceit all around
how can you escape shame but preserve pride?
In the same way you can paint yourself 'innocent" and all others guilty of whatever suffering you experience.
Double-Standards
Compartmentalization.
When found out the degenerate is vindictive. He must accuse the one who discovered his self-deceit of also being guilty...so they accuse those of believing in some degree of free-will of doing so to accuse others....because that is what they've done.
Even here they intentionally self-deceit....describing free-will as only applicable to others, when, in fact, free-will means the taking responsibility not only for what you do, but for what you've allowed others to do to you.
the opposite of how desperate degenerates understand free-will.

But in their desperation to escape the shame of degeneracy, lies are the least of their problem.
Does it really shame them to lie, when they've found pride in being degenerates, by manipulating or dismissing words?
It's like homos and their pride.

That's the point, isn't it.
Those with nothing to feel proud about are willing to give up pride, if it rids them of shame.
Small price, for a huge reward.
They are flamboyant and open about their degeneracy because nonce, you've admitted to the most embarrassing act, fro a male, what's left to feel embarrassed about? Every other act of degeneracy is small-potatoes, in comparison.

Once you've accepted the loss of integrity there's no end to how low you can go.
Your best bet is to drag the world down with you.
The degenerate must make everyone degenerate....to make his own shame universal. Relief in participation.

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With no salvation coming from the "absolute one", what other course is left to the degenerate, in his/her desperation, but the absolute nil?
Where can he hope to give quality to his miserable existence, his miserly spirit, if not omnipotence, if not the certain truth, then in the compromise struck between the equally wrong.
It will all be brought down....to the subjective, where emotion can be swayed with anxiety; down, down, here where all find parity in their shared weakness.


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"If all cannot be saved, in my heart," the miser thinks in his mind "then let the lot be damned."



"If I am trapped, in time, running out" thinks the wanton soul "then let the world be trapped like this mind of mine, wasting away a lifetime, in the grime, for nothing but the illusion of the sublime".

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PostSubject: Re: Desperate Degenerates Desperate Degenerates  - Page 12 EmptyThu Aug 29, 2019 3:49 pm

Default position for the Desperate Degenerate.
There's either an absolute, autocratic, totalitarianism, forcing them to abide by some universal rule, or there is none, so anything and everything goes.
Absence of confidence in one's own judgements, reinforced over years of wrong decisions, makes mentors necessary; proxies for finding guidance, in the absence of any absolute tangible authority figure.
Everything falls into these either/or absolutist, binary categories, which, if you look closer, are really singularities, pretending to be "open" to other possibilities by hypocritically humouring an antithesis - just to pretend they've attained their '"final insight" through careful consideration and years of careful personal contemplation - when all they've done is sample other minds, and decided by using pleasure as the final criterion.
It's either, all a given, a certainty, something not worth discussing further, because it's all settled and done with, or it's all up for grabs, a matter of attitude and "subjective" taste, malleable to shifting cultural circumstances.
Everything else is laughable.

This is the dualism of absolutes, nihilism has become.
The 'positive' and/or 'pure' nihilists of our era.
Try discussing anything with them.
Try figuring out a higher, versus a lower, probability, establishing a hierarchy.
Wasted effort.
If it doesn't fall within this either/or domain, it's all worthless.
A convenient, and effective, recipe for dismissing what they cannot comprehend or what they cannot accept.
Females are good at following recipes. This is why they are good home-cooks, and terrible chefs. No creativity required - just follow the text, in the recipe book - Scripture.
The subjective, private 'self,' imposing a self-serving rule, upon the pretentiously "objective" public 'self,' cultivating the image of thoughtfulness and deep introspection, when it's all settled and done with on a subconscious level.
If you can't prove an absolute - a negative, in other words (an absent absolute) - then they will not listen, particularly when they exist within a sheltered environment where the only rule is to not question human rules.
The embarrassment, of such an emasculating surrender is dealt with by accusing everyone of the same "crime", within the either/or domain of absolutes. It's everyone that has surrendered to human conventions, or nobody has - it's all absolutely subjective, or nothing is.
This is the binary code of 1/0.
All are saved, according to Scripture, or all are damned, again, according to Scripture. if not the Old then the more advanced New Testament - progress has been achieved.
Their feeble cowardice must find refuge in final, certain, absolutes. Not even a hint of weakness, cowardice, and hypocrisy, must be permitted to air out, exposing them, as what they are.
But do we not see, we few, who have, first acknowledged the deepest vices in ourselves - know thyself?

Let me be presumptuous and assume I know what Nietzsche thought, when he created his idea of an "ubermench".
Allow me to descend down to the level of the degenerate who worships images and personalities, like a child who has never known a father he could respect; allow me to channel the child who only knows of authorities in the absolute, abstract, having never experienced a noble, yet,. fallible father.
Let me descend down to the gallows, the pig sty, where these Desperate Degenerates dwell, and swim in their faeces, knowing I can get out, while they are stuck, in their self-imposed traps.
Should I not keep my mouth closed, to prevent the cesspool slop from entering my body?
Should I open my mouth, confident that whatever filth enters will quickly be death with by my constitution?
He who fears entering the pig-sty has admitted defeat before its pungent filth.
Search which tribes have rejected the consuming of pig-flesh, and what methods they use to slaughter their meat.
Inhuman? Not when you pretend to be one.
Victim, identifying with the creatures it victimizes. Treating them with a cruelty it secretly knows it deserves.
Are not slaves the cruellest of all slave masters?

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The Desperate degenerate spirit has associated the authority of the father with his/her own either/or absolutes.
It cannot accept, without cynical dismissal, anything that is not absolute - such as God.
All that fails to meet its idealistic absolutist standard must be a part of its category of imperfect uncertainty.

It believes in absolute authoritarianism, while cynically negating anything that fails to meet this standard.
A child avenging itself against an absent and/or an imperfect father figure.
It's vengeful defensiveness has made of the idol either something absolutely perfect, or solemn dead; unable to contradict the child's expectations and its imaginary projections.  

Why did the Jews make of their abstracted unity, an idol that could neither reject, nor disappoint them; a forever immanent messiah which every one of them can claim and embody?
A way of inverting shame into pride, and self-hate into self-love.
The world's rejecting contempt, became, for them, evidence of their self-love and pride in what they had become, for the sake of survival.
A shadow cast over us, Moderns, who have lost all sense of identity, and pride in what we are, though we fail to attain its highest standard.
Have we not become misers, in our effort to survive....for another day?

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What clever, they think, games Desperate Degenerates play, in their coming hour of reckoning.
Pascal's Wager has failed to give them the win-win scenario they had hoped for, and in the coming end they face the essence of their entire life.
Something they will take with them to the grave...because nobody will ever recall it, in song or in story.

It will disappear, as if it never was. All because they could not see, or swallow their ego long enough to understand.
What is left, to them, but the idea of a final, absolute end?
Something to equate the noble with the degenerate.
It's fascinating, because most of them are convinced of an absolute one or nil.The former hiding the latter.
It's their final hope, of existential redemption.
Are you, young ones, going to be included among their ranks?
It's up to you...and your choices.
If all fails, let them guide you to your final repose.

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Surrounded by the rabble of his own making the desperate degenerate looks over the dystopian landscape for someone to accuse for the garbage he has reduced his life to.
Failing to find one, he laughs into the spatial/temporal expanses, hoping someone will hear his warrior cry, stifling a salves whimper, as an act of pretentious independence, he secretly or openly denies.
He never approaches, but moves away, keeping a safe distance from the stone, steel and glass....fearing he may find someone to blame in an accidental undesirable reflection; fearing it will be a face he might recognize.

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Just as money has become fiat currency, so too Americans pledge allegiance to an idea, to a document - not different from scripture - with no reference to blood, race, culture.
Its' why I call the US and its Liberalism, a "culture of no culture".
Faith in god is replaced by faith in freedom - Americans worship freedom, though many of them do not even believe it is possible - see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
They idealize "happiness" and its pursuit, though have no ability to define what this psychological state means - they can only understand it in relation to a Messiah, money, just as Christians can only pretend to comprehend "universal love" in relation to Jesus, equating quantities with its mystifying quality.

Words with no phenomenal backing, no pragmatic reference, is like money supported by another abstraction, the state, with no tangible reference, like gold, or resources - an idea/ideal, necessitating 'trust', i.e., faith.
The worst kind of faith - blind and naive.
The faith of victims.  


But, of course, the Desperate Degenerate will not believe in "truth" - because if it is not absolute, universally acknowledged, and certain, then it is non-existent, just like "freedom".
There is no "truth" when you've defined it in ways that makes sure that it is impossible, or laughable - then you can be comforted by the idea that you can finally admit that you neither care for truth or freedom, so as to justify why you have neither - comforted by the faith-based idea that nobody can have them, to any degree.

Concepts can be defined out of existence when the existing are threatened and wish to escape existence - unable to do so, personally, they try to throw the threat "outside existence" instead, by defining it in exo-pragmatic ways.
There are two ways to hide - one is to find cover from the awareness of another; the other is to cover another so that he will not see you, pretending your own awareness remains bravely exposed.

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Hoffer, Eric wrote:
Those who see their lives as spoiled and wasted crave equality and fraternity more than they do freedom. If they clamour for freedom, it is but freedom to establish equality and uniformity.
The passion for equality is partly a passion for anonymity: to be one thread of the many which make up a tunic; one thread not distinguishable from the others. No one can then point us out, measure us against others and expose our inferiority.
The desire to be included, to find belonging, rooted in the isolation of disappearing families, and the loss of a shared tradition, can overwhelm the psyche of a organism evolved to participate in groups.
It will seek to disparage any movement that puts uniformity in question, secretly hoping to destroy all resistance to its desired collective; it will promote any ideology that promises the sense of communal identity, hoping to regain what it has lost, or has never experienced.
Those belonging to the latter, will idealize this sense of "belonging", just as an orphan that has never experienced a parent's love will idealize the father and/or the mother figure in fantastic extraordinary way, ensuring that it will never find it in reality.
But they will not find the fault in their own conceptions, seeking proxies to justify them, but in the world that fails to provide to them the ideas/ideals they've created and cannot let go of.

Denial of "freedom" is just another way of rejecting what stands in the way of total immersion in otherness; an unadmitted desire to disappear within a uniformity; a desire to sacrifice identity, replacing it with that of otherness.

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Most people validate a belief in free-will, even if they refuse it intellectually.
They do so vicariously, by feeling pride in circumstances they brought about with their choices. Then, their own actions are at the core of what occurred.
They intuitively know their own actions and choices participate in their fate.
It's when things go sour, when they begin to doubt.
Then they want nothing to do with the outcome of their own actions and choices; their own misunderstandings and misjudgements.
Suddenly they become cynical doubters, losing belief in god, and in freedom, or anything absolute.

Imagine how in the course of a man's lifetime the negative begin to exceed the positive, so that he has lost all trust in his own choices and actions, as well as all hope in external agencies, such as family, friends; such as god, or the state, or humanity.
When the negative outcomes begin to exceed the positive ones, as they always do in the course of time, then he settles upon absolute disbelief, losing all hope in god, and in himself.

Despair leads to degeneracy - hedonism as a last hurrah, a last act of retribution against himself, his kin, and existence.
Then he awaits death as the final certain source of salvation.
A last hope that will never let him down.

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