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PostSubject: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:04 am

I think it's impossible for your spiritual essence to die..
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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:40 am

And what is this immortal essence?

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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:27 pm

If it cannot die, then it was never alive in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:56 pm

Metaphors of different sorts are effective at conveying ones thoughts and theories to another as ultimately they act as a hybrid of an abbreviation and navigation manual that is easier to pick up and understand as it is expressed, initially, on a level that is intuitive to us through relating to everyday concepts and experiences. The danger of that as I percieve it is that the 'unwrapping' of the metaphorical 'tinfoil' from the initial expression leaves too much room for almost unrestricted interpretations unless the person is honest and, at least in a degree, has the intellectual capacity of the creator of the metaphor. That or it is taken literally word for word like 'all men are equal', 'god is dead'(presupossing an existance of an actual god) etc. Actually this could be applied to all language in degrees as all of it is in some sense a metaphor but that is taking things out of context here and I have not thought about it at all.
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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:53 pm

Those who desire immortality are those who fear death the most, the greatest cowards.
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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:35 pm

In your opinion, do you think there is such a thing as absolute nothingness?
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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:55 am

There are no absolutes.

All is existence....existence is interactivity - dynamic.
Nothingness would be static, still, immutable indivisible, stagnation.

Nothingness is an idea(l)....negating existence.
Somethingness is an interpretation, taking abstractions, representations in the mind literally.
There is no 'thing'.
'Thing' is the abstraction of a process, the past made present, and appearing and being interpreted, converted into an abstraction - noumenon.
No-Thing is a negation of the 'some-thing', where 'thing' is taken for granted, and understood as an absolute.
It's part of language.
Absolutes are part of language, because the mind works on binary code - 1/0, and art, including language reflects this.
This is how the sentence 'there are absolutely no absolutes' is a self-contradiction even though it is correct.
The absolute has already been taken for granted, with no evidence, no reason, simply based on the mind's methodology....forcing an absolute negation that negates what is non-existent - the absent absolute.
Christians do the same thing with the absolute concept of their one-god.
Nihilists do this with all their concepts. They consider this absence a 'negative'....because they need it psychologically......when it is a positive.
They fill in the void of this absent absolute by projecting into world their language based, referring to their noumena, 'corrections' or fulfillment.

'Thing' refers to the apparent. This is why we say 'some-thing'....leaving it vague.
The apparent is the present - the past made presence.
Past manifests as present, interacts and becomes apparent.    

So, there is no absolute some-thing either. There is only process, fluidity, Flux: interacting Energies....some ordered/patterned and some chaotic/random.

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PostSubject: Re: spiritual essence Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:40 am

absolutes are the two poles of binary thinking.
Absolute order <> Absolute chaos
Singularity (1) - Void (0)
Being - Nothingness

The brain works on this binary system - on/off switch.
On = neural pulse flowing through neural cell
Off = no neural pulse flowing through neural cell.

Neural cells are created in mind, as memory....and are clustered. The pulse triggers them, like light flowing through a movie film, and striking the particular picture in the sequence.
This triggers a cascade, similar to the sequence of pictures in a movie reel...only the roles are reversed....whereas in the old movie reels the light source was fixed and the pictures flowed before it, casting the images on the screen, in the mind the neural pulse is active and the neural clusters are fixed.
Relatively speaking because in essence the difference between pulse and cell is one of rat of vibration - matter differing from energy, as a general category, in the rate it vibrates/oscillates - its dynamic rhythms.
Matter = slow, Energy = fast....in relation to man's metabolic rate.

If we take a single man, an organism, as being the unity of patterns, in relative balance, what we mean is that the different patterns, the different Energies vibrating, interrelate as to produce a higher attraction than the repulsion existing between them.
So, if two patterns would normally respell each other, with the addition of two or more, this repulsion is counterbalanced, producing an excess of attraction, and therefore an ephemeral unity.

Attrition and Repulsion refer to the degree of harmony between patterned and non-patterned Energies.
of course random Energies, chaotic, can only repel, so they cannot form unities.  
An organism is a congruence of patterns that has balanced out repulsion and attraction producing an excess of attraction.
This is the aura some speak of.
Life force.
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It's mentioned in many eastern meditative practices.
This aura is the sum total of patterns, participating in the unity called organism, interacting, and producing a shared attraction/repulsion energy field.
Each individual has a slightly different resonance, because organ hierarchies and proportionality and symmetry, determine metabolic rates.
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We feel this aura, though we are not always aware of it.....when we are in its proximity.
Some have mistaken this for clairvoyance, telepathy, women call it intuition.
The organism's state is resonating outwards as an attraction/repulsion field of effect.
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Like a planet's magnetic field.  
In fact the earth's magnetic field affects organic auras.
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If our aura is closer in resonance to that of another, we feel mysteriously attracted to them.
If not we feel repelled, repulsed by them.

Someone said it...there is no fear in anti-homosexual, racial positions....there is repulsion.
Not homophobia, no fear...only nausea.
it's the natural reaction to what is toxic.
Toxic defined as that which does not harmonize with the organism, its organic constitution - its essence.
You may call it 'soul'.

It's this aura that is usually called 'spirit'.

Soul refers to the continuum of memories, going further back than one's birth.
Ego is self becoming aware - Self is the continuum of past experiences which may not be lucid - Soul refers to this continuum of memories receding into the immutable, determining past.


So Ego/Self are the dynamic presence of a manifest past - Soul.
The Soul is not eternal....but it is longer in existence, as it refers to a continuum going all the sway back to the beginning of life on this planet, and stretches towards an undetermined future.
Soul is called immortal, though it is not....because the individual ego/self may die while the continuum of memories can go on, through reproduction, and/or through language.

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