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PostSubject: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 1:22 pm

I'd like to learn Hungarian sufficiently enough to be able to function in everyday life in Hungary properly. Has anybody attempted to learn languages past childhood seriously here(I'm 20), have you got any courses to recommend, learning techniques etc. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 2:21 pm

I was a weeb when I was teenager, so I learned some japanese. Don't know enough to have a conversation though. There was a japanese woman who lived nearby who had married an Irishman. It's best to learn to speak a language with regular practice with someone who is fluent. You should also force yourself to speak it as often as possible to train yourself to get used to it.
Currently I'm studying Irish in my spare time. It's my people's language, though in effect it's what Latin is to Italians nowadays. Basic: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 2:24 pm

I agree...you have to visit Hungary to get an 'ear' for the language - its rhythm, pronunciations ect.

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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 2:37 pm

Maybe some people have a lot of discipline but from my experience you learn a language at the beginning because there is a teacher who demands that you do your lessons regularly and a few months later there has to be some incentive for you to keep expanding your knowledge of said language.
Like playing video games or watching movies you really want to see and which are only in Engl... Hungarian. Alright, so better option 2: You are forced to use the language because you live there and you have no access to the Internet so you are forced to use local media and talk to local people and so on.
Or because it's your job to interact with that language for some reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 12:52 pm

I guess websites that teach the basics of Hungarian for those who can speak English would be easy to find, if they exist.

If you're moving to Hungary, you'll learn the language naturally anyway as you live there.

If you're interested in going beyond the basics, you can check the website of a college which teaches Hungarian and see the literature.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyWed Jan 31, 2018 7:39 pm

Być albo nie być- oto jest pytanie.
Kto postępuje godniej: ten, kto biernie
stoi pod gradem zajadłych strzał losu,
Czy ten, kto stawia opór morzu nieszczęść
I w walce kładzie im kres?
Umrzeć- usnąć- i nic poza tym- i przyjąć,
że śmierć uśmierza boleść serca i tysiące
Tych wstrząsów, które dostają się ciału
W spadku natury. O tak, taki koniec
Byłby czymś upragnionym. Umrzeć- usnąć-
Spać- i śnić może? Ha, tu się pojawia
Przeszkoda: jakie mogą nas nawiedzać
Sny w drzemce śmierci, gdy ścichnie za nami
Doczesny zamęt? Niepewni, wolimy
Wstrzymać tę chwilę. I z tych chwil urasta
Długie, potulnie przecierpiane życie.
Bo gdyby nie ten wzgląd, którz by chciał znosić
To, czym nas chłoszcze i znieważa czas:
Gwałty ciemiężców, nadętość pyszałków,
Męki wzgardzonych uczuć, opieszałość
Prawa, bezczelność władzy i kopniaki,
Którymi byle zero upokarza
Cierpliwą wartość? Któż by się z tym godził,
Gdyby był w stanie przekreślić rachunki
Nagim sztyletem? Któż by dźwigał brzemię
Życia, stękając i spływając potem,
Gdyby nam woli nie zbijała z tropu
Obawa przed tym, co będzie po śmierci,
Przed nieobecną w atlasach krainą,
Skąd żaden jeszcze odkrywca nie wrócił,
I gdyby lęk ten nie kazał nam raczej
Znosić zło znane niż rzucać się w nowe?
Tak to świadomość czyni nas tchórzami
I naturalne rumieńce porywu
Namysł rozcieńcza w chorbliwą bladość,
A naszym ważkim i szczytnym zamiarom
Refleksja plącze szyki, zanim któryś
Zdąży przerodzić się w czyn.
Polish translation of Shak., interestingly when I read him in English I understand only partially and it doesn't struck the same imagery thus an effect but when I switch to Polish(despite leaving the country at 11) it all becomes clear and fruitful in language. I am reading Evola now in English and there isn't a problem as his language is direct and clean but I think If I ever seriously get around Nietz.(which I am purposefully delaying) I might choose Polish translations(I found out that knowing language enough to speak it fluently and able to hold up an intelligent conversation is very far from the mastery and fluidity one attains in his mother tongue, I suspect its an expression of a process found partially deep in the gene and partially an influence of my early years when I would read like a maniac(something which I am not proud of as it left me very much unexperienced in other areas of development).

Kezünket kinyújtva
állunk a határon
s a levegőből roppant zsinórt
fonunk nektek testvérek
az elfúló kiáltás
s a görcsbe rándult öklök
haranggá jajdulnak s a szív
nem verhet riadót
a véres kövek kérnek
haldokló vizek kérnek
s mi állunk a határon
csak állunk a határon
állunk a józan ész
jól-fontolt határán
innen nézzük a tűzvészt
halálba bámulunk
1956.Kezünket kinyújtva
állunk a határon
s a levegőből roppant zsinórt
fonunk nektek testvérek
az elfúló kiáltás
s a görcsbe rándult öklök
haranggá jajdulnak s a szív
nem verhet riadót
a véres kövek kérnek
haldokló vizek kérnek
s mi állunk a határon
csak állunk a határon
állunk a józan ész
jól-fontolt határán
innen nézzük a tűzvészt
halálba bámulunk
1956.
A translation of a poem into Hungarian from Polish
and this is the polish version
Stoimy na granicy
wyciągamy ręce
i wielki sznur z powietrza
wiążemy bracia dla was
z krzyku załamanego
z zaciśniętych pięści
odlewa się dzwon i serce
milczące na trwogę
proszą ranne kamienie
prosi woda zabita
stoimy na granicy
stoimy na granicy
stoimy na granicy
nazywanej rozsądkiem
i w pożar się patrzymy
i śmierć podziwiamy
1956
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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyMon Jun 10, 2019 5:40 pm

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I have turned my attention to polish culture and polish intellectuals and I find it is not lacking in content, I cannot personally testify to this but I heard the pre-WW2 Polish Lviv-Warsaw philosophical school of neo-positivists was on a level equal or superior to these of Western Europe represented by famous logicians like Russel Bertrand and I also find a lot of commentary on niche motives and thinkers like Evola on a level far surpassing anything I have accessed in the English sphere on the internet(the thinker linked above dedicating a whole book to Evolian Traditionalism). I might not read/write anything in English outside of what general life requires for a long time as I enjoy and have always enjoyed my native language over English and I generally enjoy Polish people more in their average taste and manners over 'western' savagery and lack of manners.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyMon Jun 10, 2019 5:43 pm

Each European branch is of the same tree, nourished by the same roots, digging into the same earth.
Learn your language as well as possible so that Magian word-games no longer affect you with linguistic 'magic.
Immunize yourself by following the root through etymology.
Ground your language upon the earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Learning foreign languages Learning foreign languages EmptyMon Jun 10, 2019 5:51 pm


This professor of philosophy and thinker has written a lot on jewish agression and anti-semitism, i have not red it yet
couple more videos with english subtitles

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Yes, it is still important to operate in English to broaden the reach and allow different nationalities to communicate and I dont claim that Western nations arent supreme to Eastern nations.
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some manly convention with tickets for 2000dollars, couple of curt doolittles guys will be speaking...the video seems pretty comical, dont know much else about it besides it...
edit@ I know per usual that where Americans come the whiff of vulgarity and lack of manners follows...words like cocks, cucks, alpha-dick etc...spoken as if it is the norm everywhere they go(when it isn't in Poland) in physical public places or over the internet are very typical of Americans and lesser degree English as well...
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You may set the Negro free, but you cannot make him otherwise than an alien to the European. Nor is this all we scarcely acknowledge the common features of humanity in this stranger whom slavery has brought among us. His physiognomy is to our eyes hideous, his understanding weak, his tastes low; and we are almost inclined to look upon him as a being intermediate between man and the brutes.
Chapter XVIII.
I studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.
Alexis de Tocqueville; Olivier Zunz, Alan S. Kahan (2002). "The Tocqueville Reader". Blackwell Publishing. ISBN 063121545X. OCLC 49225552. p. 229.
This is Tocqueville, the aristocrat, who promoted democracy as a system and his opinions. I am not settled on this issue, but to make democratic tradition in the west into some kind of Jewish, egalitarian plot and claim this is self-evident and does not even need explaining is ridiculous to me.
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To a sheltered cynic, hate appears as positive because he has never experienced such emotion himself, he imagines it to be something alike deep appreciation combined with protective and sacrificial instinct toward that which is appreciated that turns boiling red and offensive when faced with a threat to it when in fact it is a frenzy that doesn't have a linear manifestation nor origin, i.e. isn't constructive nor consistent unless managed by ones that can dominate it within themselves and use it by associating definite 'logos' with the sentiment.
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I've listened to this recording over 50 times, I like Mr. Chopins' Mazurkas over his Noctrunes.

i've also enjoyed this one but I think it is inferior to Chopin in terms of artistic finesse and quality of its structure(maybe the fault of recording).
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An autistic mind has to think wholly, not representational and fluidly, it can't think of a something symbolically and play with it, it has to envision the thing 'wholly' and as it is in physical reality. He will struggle with highly abstract concepts like 'absolute' or 'god' and whilst struggling totally miss their purpose and point of interest because he wont be able to conceptualize and contextualize them at all as there will be nothing absolute that he could reference to from his experience and models. This is also the source of common obsession with tables, rules, words, laws, etc., as the strict and rigid is all they can work and navigate through unlike a regularly functioning mind that can more readily and effectively find itself in a fluidity of language, existence, social interaction ect. through its ability to abstract and imagine, drawing from the previous and then using its mind to bend and twist it freely, based on the particular needs and limitations of the scenarios it finds itself within.
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Yes, autistic minds are literal. They cannot think metaphorically...so they lack the skill to be personable and charming. Social.

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