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Official and unofficial historical narratives.

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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptyWed Aug 22, 2018 9:50 pm

Listened to about 10 minutes and perused website.

Anti-NeoNazi 'paleoliberal' that is 'not racist' but 'sympathizes with alt-reich/right and BLM'.

It sounds like autism to me, and not politically involved. Anyone engaging with such autism would likely end up involved with a historical reductionist, seeing all issues through a WW2 lense (their choice of study).

Arguing that Hitler didn't use genetics to determine race doesn't 'disprove racists' nor does it make racial identity less relevant. When we're talking about politics and masses of people, one has to use general and massive scoped studies. Essentially, the Alt-Right applies social science without ignoring race or ideologically dismissing/hiding it.

Here's an example of their racial writing: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It sounds a lot like this liberal wants to imply that there's no 'inferior adapted race' just by mentioning that Hitler's racial definition was 'above phenotypes' while saying the concept of 'inferiority' was an assumed anachronism. Some commenters pointed out that she is essentially trying to paint Hitler and Germany as a multiracial diversity post-weimar paradise filled with anti-Semitism only because non-Jews weren't adapted enough for 'diversity'.

The implication is that diversity is good and that only the weak aren't as appealing as the Communists. Or, otherwise, imagining themselves as residing in some 'libertarian' middle-ground that will culminate in mass-individualism and that 'knowledge will expose all of it as lying'. As a matter of practical politicking, it lacks salience.

There is nothing yet-to-declare incorrect about the information, but the way it is preambled and presented shows a pattern of ideology. Presenting National Socialism as a response to Communism is correct, presenting it as a response of a people connected to the land and not historical texts (like Jewry) is correct - suggesting that they are equal or one is ethically or healthwise equal to the other just because of the demanded large scope, is a political contention.

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"Black Nazis" "Nazi Diversity" - as another commentator put it: "Nazis wuz the real diversity"

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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptyThu Aug 23, 2018 2:55 am

You like Hitler, yes?
So let me tell you about Hitler, goyim.
Look at me, I'm a real honest to earth, salt of the earth National Socialist, the real deal, look!
So basically Hitler wants you to work towards this and that, those are your objectives.
Alright fellow National Socialists/Alt-Right/Pales-something, let's get this going, friends.
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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptyMon Oct 01, 2018 2:23 pm

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Here's an example of their racial writing: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Something is seriously wrong with this site. It has a black and white eagle as a symbol (suggesting race-mixing) and an ace of spades, which is a tattoo mudsharks get to express their preference for niggers, hence the black nazis thing. It can't all be a coincidence. Paid or not, she's definitely a subversive and a troll. I'd ignore her until the day of the rope.
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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 9:03 am

History is a predictive science. Nature is unwritten history manifesting as presence, necessitating the quality of mind that can 'read' the apparent and deduce the past from it.
Nature is sum of nurturing within the context of life and living organisms. Unities informed by past; unities with memory, directing (inter)activity, imposing itself, to whatever degree, on the ongoing dynamic present.
History is encoded past – written and preserves precedent. Its predictive value is that it provides circumstantial evidence. When event-a, and event-b occur simultaneously, or in a particular sequence, then consequence-1 is most probable, similar to medical diagnostics. It's always probability based because of chaos, and its slight modification of (inter)active patterned and non-patterned energies.
In biology these manifest as mutations, cancer being one such malignant example. The same applies in history. Events may point to a particular probability but the random factor is always part of the outcome.
Nature and history differ in the method of encoding. One using an evolved biological genetic code, and the other using an extension and imitation of its understanding the linguistic or semiotic code. Both deal with precedent. The more precedent is accumulated the higher the degree of certainty on the probability of a particular outcome, without ever attaining absolute certainty. The perception of patterns in the patterns of events offers the mind an insight others cannot take advantage of if it is not shared.
Some try to affect the future by intervening on history, warping it, corrupting it, slightly modifying it with interpretation, so as to increase the probability of an alternate outcome. They invest on the power of suggestion, and conviction; the method of suggestion.

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An updated response to my post here ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) about the combined 20 minutes I spent on their material:

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"Slaughtz OK, neo-Nutzi incel, I'll point out that your use of the word "dialectic" in the context given is nonsense. You can have a "bullshit dialectic" but not "dialectic bullshit". Would you say "dialogue bullshit"? LMFAO! What's insane is that you likely don't even realize how dumb you appear. Literally every one of your posts looks like it was written by a schizophrenic just flipping around through a thesaurus and picking words. I'm going to block you now, so go on chimping like the lil kook you are. Thanks for giving me some laughs this morning. I actually saw your pathetic forum post about Veronica's show with JF, a while back, (you're a wee bit obsessed, aren't you?) and we had a hoot ripping your spergalicous bullshit and complete failure at writing, on a podcast (for patrons only, sorry you'll never hear it). That was by far, the silliest, most epic fail we've ever seen. Thanks again!"

Who knew, I'm the obsessed one, having spent 20 minutes on the material, half of which was giving JF a listen. I'd spoonfeed them an interpretation of what I said here, but it is of a form specifically meant to repel autists - and it succeeded at that.

Re: 'dialectic bullshit' 
Dialectic bullshit, like an autist performing bullshit dialectic. Over dialectic bullshit. Imagine that.
Google "Noun adjunct". 
Not 'dialectical' - "dialectic" has a specific philosophical meaning, referred to colloquially as 'the dialectic'. It has its own characteristic process, concentrating on language over action. (Hint: no longer argument if agreement) Dumb race denialism is reliant wholly on the dialectic. Exchange of opinion as a definition was near enough, with near the same end result: bullshit. 
Two other failures to comprehend basic words (like species and nationalism, specifically a species-level nationalism), when told to use a dictionary, meant little potential for comprehension
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Past manifests as presence. To know and understand precedent, is to know and understand the current. History repeats, cycles… but not exactly, because of chaos.
Civilization 'collapsed' in the past. We know of one time, but there must have been many.
History is a tool of diagnosis. The Medical field uses it.
Symptoms are put in a data-base, and associated with a disease, if possible. Doctors then consult the data-base. If one, or more, symptoms are found in conjunction then a hypothesis, a diagnosis is made.
The sequence and synthesis of the symptoms point to a specific illness. Modernity is a series of symptoms, exposing a disease, that has occurred before.
I've identified existential anxiety, as the root of Nihilism: a defensive reaction to emerging self-consciousness.
I've also identified a Symbiont: a synthesis of parasite/virus, where an infected host instead of repelling the virus embraces it, chooses it, because it facilitates its already established survival strategy. This has already occurred, as well. The Symbiont has been repulsed numerous times, by numerous infected host civilizations (memes). Nothing here is entirely new... only the semiotics and the contexts; subtle differences accumulating due to subtle chaotic effects over long period of time.

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During the invasion and conquest of England the Anglo-Saxon spirit of 'Protestantism'; and 'Puritanism', was shaped.
We see it in the American type.
Animosity between the French and the English is based on this event.
The American Civil War can be understood as the last war in this existential battle between tribes and the type of thinking it produced.

Robin Hood is a mythical figure of Anglo-Saxon vengeance against their Norse conquerors.
A vengeance that would find its counterpart in Judaism, producing the current globalization effort, based on manipulating victimhood, or the natural by-products of self-consciousness: insecurity, shame, vulnerability.
Nihilism's political value is revealed.

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The connection to current circumstances is amazing. Just change the names, and the host Empire and you can see the parallels...all the way down to their relationship with sub-Saharan Nubians.

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From each host civilization they absorb a piece, synthesizing what would develop to its current form, infecting other civilizations producing Christianity and Islam.  
Adjust for technology advancements in communications and human husbandry.




They become narrators of occultisms (dream interpreters)... in the Pharaohs court.......the pattern continues.

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PostSubject: Memetic Memories History EmptySat Feb 23, 2019 11:43 am

Memetic Memories

DNA is genetic memory, encoded biologically, as nucleotides. Symbols are memetic memory, encoded as language.

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History is a form of memetic memory, just as aesthetics are a form of genetic memory. In both cases the prevailing power try to impose their own conclusions and tastes upon the majority, imposing their own judgements and the principles that guide these judgements. Once a historical interpretation, and the contexts involved in translating, is accepted as ‘fact’, then all that remains is to teach the mind how these facts are justified and how they ought to be made sense of.  
The making sense of the fact, once the facts and the terms by which they are determined and evaluated are established, is what Modern education (edumucation [sic]) is all about.
To a mind that has been given a historical context with no competing alternatives this explanation of the historical facts is the one and only way of understanding them – when understanding is determined by the already established contexts; along with their emotional, instinctive and idealistic baggage. To such a mind the follow-up of filling in the gaps comes as a welcoming relief as it is unable to connect with the past on its own; also unable to make sense of the past outside these established contexts.

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When the mind has been thoroughly indoctrinated into ‘proper’ interpretations of historical events, then not only the events but also how one ought to (re)act to them is part of the interpretation.
This enforces an acceptance or a reaction that denies the event altogether, in the effort to escape the prescribed, proper (re)action to the narrative.

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Genes relating to environment, establish cooperative groups which demand a hierarchy structure. The hierarchy structure, over time, settles upon particular traits, becoming shared ideals. This is what develops into a meme, collected and formalized as culture. From culture civilizations emerge, like one builds structures upon a specific type of foundation. Only some types of structure can be build ion the same foundational configuration; only certain civilizations can emerge from a specific culture. This is what it means for memes to be gene specific.  
The meme is particular to the environment and how a particular segment of a population, a species, adjusted its behaviour, over time, because it was successful in maintaining the cooperative unity and its survival. This is why memes are gene specific and perform poorly when transferred to a genetic population with a different past – different genetic memories, DNA: spirit.
The final outcome of an entire past cannot harmonize with a different past if it is transplanted – just as a transplanted organ can be rejected by the body.
This is why Muslims can never adapt to western Democracies. They can self-repress and pretend, but the political system, with its specific ideals, is not part of their genetic past. They are forever alienated from its principles.
This is also why Hellenism cannot be adopted by a people who evolved in a different part of the world, and have different historical memories embedded in their DNA; such as Asiatic, and African bloodlines. They may learn to discipline themselves to the basic tenets, they may imitate the prescribed behaviours, as if copying a ritual, but they can never be part of its spirit. They may adjust the meme to their genetic pasts, but the fit will always be a poor one, because it did not evolve over large spans of time/space, due to the interplay between a tribe and a specific environment.

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Past manifests as presence, and the present contributes to the past. History may repeat itself but not perfectly – no copy is ever absolutely the same with another. Recycling of the determining past is averted due to the effects of chaos, slightly modifying the manifestation of past as presence. Past is never repeated perfectly. This necessitates life and consciousness as a way of adjusting, in reaction to these slight modifications. This adjustment is called free-will.

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The gene carries a code. The code represents the collection of all past experiences which will be passed-on as raw data. How this data unfolds and is applied is also part of the code’s instructions, its stored memory. The meme is not different in this aspect, but is an externalization of memory, in the form of semiotics.
With the meme language (math being a language) is the raw data, and the instructions directing memory to apply itself – to unfold.  

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‘To the victor go the spoils [sic]’, and it is he who decides what to emphasize and what to downplay, who ‘determines,’ as it were, the self-consciousness, the sense of self (identity), of generations to come. All those who shall be enrolled in his educational system will receive his narration of what occurred, and why it did so. And no his-story is complete which does not include, along with the dates and the events, an analysis: recitation of the meanings and the lessons learned.
Like with all statistical work, the collection of the data is one aspect of the message conveyed; the other, more important aspect is interpreting, and teaching, the children what the data implies, and how to apply the same method of analysis, based on the same motives and the same underlying principles and value standards, evoking the same reactions, such as emotions and behaviours.    

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Memory is a way of holding a unity together in fluid space/time. The fluctuating circumstances make identification with self – creation of self – a matter of connecting the immediate abstractions with previous ones, by finding relationships and similarities. This similarity, or pattern perception, becomes fundamental, as it is upon this recognition where a mind can connect and build a relationship with the past.
The identification of self with all manifestations of the past becomes troublesome unless there is a continuity of (inter)connectivity, using memory. The brain can trace back itself, in its multiple manifestations, by connecting the intermediate stages in a chain of causality, even if the present state has little in common with a state in the distant past.  

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With any re-turn of the old – remembrance of what has been selectively forgotten, and buried – the 'bringing up to speed', can cause whiplash; a sense of drunken vertigo.
Old symbols replaced and upgraded with current semiotics, repeating the has-been, as if it were a yet-to-be. Ancient artefacts are often given a modern application – a painted vase that once held wine (liquid fire) or olives (condensed sunlight), are placed on a symbolic pedestal, in luxurious high-rise apartments, carrying the owner’s ego, and used, in secret, as a trash-bin by vulgar guests wanting to make a disparaging statement against it.
If we can be so innovative with an ancient tangible tool, such as an ancient vase - or a convincing copy of one – then think about how much more creative we can be with ancient ideas, and the words representing them.
The vase, once used to hold a useful material, in the real world, has become an idea, residing in the hearts & minds of those, empty of substance, now, connecting it with an abstraction in their head, and with no other utility other than as a display of their modernized vanities.
Professors wanting to update ancient ideals have made of them idols, replacing the ones they professed to shatter.
What has been accelerated to bring it up-to-speed with the current, has been given over to unworthy ‘students’, using it as decorative symbols of an implied mystical embodiment they want to impress their peers with – a centre-piece in the foyer of their mental castle/villa where they reign supreme as master of their domain, inviting guests only to taunt them with symbols of wealth and privilege.
Talented archaeologists of the mind have found and pieced together the broken and buried remains of what was once both beautiful and useful, giving it to those who now use it only to imply their own beauty and usefulness.

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Can a human pass on genetic codes to a chimp? Species diversification prevents such an exchange and when it is possible, such as between lion and tiger (liger), and/or ass and horse (mule) – where this diversification is still young and undeveloped – the outcome is predictably sterile, unfit; a genetic dead-end. Can one human pass-on a memetic code to all other humans?
Mental diversification prevents such an exchange, and when it is possible, such as between a superior & inferior mind, the outcome is sterile, unfit, a memetic dead-end. The recipient simply repeats the codes, parrots them verbatim, without fully understanding, making it impossible for him to pass-on the qualities the codes represent; unable to embody them.

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The connection of the present, the more immediate looking back, with the more distant, on the edge of perceptual horizons ‘looking back’, is what tradition is all about.  

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The narrative is prescribed, though not enforced directly. The individual is placed in a dilemma where his/her well-being, his/her entire fate, is dependent on choosing ‘correctly.’ Pascal’s Wager applied in socio-economics.
Once the prescribed narrative is accepted, even if subconsciously and half-heartedly, the identity of the individual is as good as settled. In time the mind forgets there was a dilemma at all. Memory has erased all the negative parts, as it always does, and the world, as it is defined, could not have been any other way.    

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The centrality of memory in the construction of identity makes history a very important part of population control, and manipulation. In times where education tumbles towards selected focus (specialization), among populations with no personal connection to their own past, the reinvention of ‘past’ becomes an easy problem to resolve. The new narrative tries to diminish the dominance of a particular people, or it tries to induce self-hating shame among their offspring, attacking the target from the inside-out.
This ‘feminine,’ insidious, tactic is now part of the overall culture of victimhood. An example of the immanent New World redefinition of the past is the spreading of Afro-centric historical narratives, which are now convincing millions that the ancient Egyptians were Nubian peoples, or sub-Saharan Negroes, that came up the Nile to establish that glorious civilization.
Moses is returning from exile, it seems, to avenge himself against those who drove him out; against those who rejected him, and his kind, preventing them from being integrated into the dominant race’s bloodlines. His descendants are using a similar tactic. This time the Egyptians are the Anglo-Saxons that have yet to drive them away, forcing them into a new ‘exodus’.
The virus has taken root, and is producing a feverish pitch, before the final end. In the meantime we must endure the decline.    

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As if often the case, when historical narratives attempt to corrupt historical events, the individuals either submit or react passionately, rejecting both.
In the effort to erase a forced mixing many reject the very idea of common ancestry. This is an example of how the absurd can only produce an equal and opposite absurdity.
In an effort to reject the narratives that preach uniformity, some minds indulge in an absolute rejection of reason.
For example, in a desperate effort to reject imposed uniformity, many reject the historical validity of a common ancestor, though they cannot rationalize how two species, evolving separately could then meet and mix genetically – as there is no precedent supporting it, whereas there is precedent supporting the gradual division of a shared ancestry into different species.

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History repeats, in cycles....but each one slightly different from the one preceding and proceeding from it.
The symbols/names change drastically...because symbols/words - i.e., memes - are of the mind - ideas/ideals - and actions are of the physical - i.e., genes - of the body, the tangible, material - interactions.

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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptySat Jun 15, 2019 7:22 am

I'm on board here.
I think mythology is based on real events and individuals.
I made a thread on it called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Paganism is rooted in reality, and then expands into fantasy or creates metaphorical narratives and allegories around them.
A Greek academic has explained all of the gods and heroes in relation to real pre-historic events and as amalgamations of real individuals.
Aryan spirituality begins with the worship of a tribe's dead relatives, and then grows to become a worship of nature and of the family home - hearth - and so on.

Magian 'religion' is a detachment from reality, usurping the real world with inverting concepts, like absolutes.

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PostSubject: Re: History History EmptyThu Jul 11, 2019 7:22 am

Revision of history begins with the reiteration of events and the purification of the main participants, integrating them in a duality of Saint or Satan.
Vidal, Gore wrote:
What is going on here is a deliberate revision by Current not only of Lincoln but of himself in order to serve the saint in the 1980s as opposed to the saint at earlier times when black were still colored, having only just stopped being Negroes. In colored and Negro days the saint might have wanted them out of the country, as he did. But in the age of Martin Luther King even the most covertly racist of school boards must agree that a saint like Abraham Lincoln could never have wanted a single black person to leave freedom’s land much less bravery’s home. So all the hagiographers are redoing their plaster images and anyone who draws attention to the discrepancy between their own past crudities and their current falsities is a very bad person indeed, and not a scholar, and probably a communist as well.
Historical figures become iconographic representatives of current ideals. Salve owners become slave emancipators, and what occurred is thrown into a historical spin cycle along with recycled soap-operatic granules.
Finally revisionism is prohibited, punishable by law, so that nobody would dare revise what has been revised to accommodate the victor’s narrative.

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