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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 03, 2019 9:07 am

Choice is how the mind displays its freedom from the body; how idea separates itself from the physical realm of causality.
The more difficult the choice, the more will-power is required - the most it contradicts its own physical impulses.
The difficulty of choosing exposes the degree of the organism's freedom.

Nihilism is an exhibition of freedom to contradict natural order, but absolutes are mental constructs, therefore this absolute freedom is naive and based on a confusion between noumena and phenomena - creating a dissonance between mind and body.
Absolute freedom is another chimera, worshipped by positive nihilists; and the absolute negation of freedom worshipped by pure nihilists.
As with power, knowledge, understanding (all concepts), freedom is a matter of degrees, not absolutes - an organism is more or less free, not absolutely free or absolutely a slave and un-free.
Ergo Will to Power...not Power to Will.

Absolute awareness implies infinite options; absolute power and freedom implies infinite choices.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 04, 2019 9:40 am

Every choice is based on external stimuli - the immediate nurturing, a specific pool of choices, physical impulses sampling from the past, promoting another, overlapping, pool of choices....and the judgement is the expression of a fee-choice, because the judgement has a yet-to-be objective, i.e., a goal, a projected destination.
This shifts, because the destination may change, or the path towards it shifts - circumstances are interactions manifesting as phenomena, that aid or hinder a path towards a destination.
This is exactly why conciousness had to liberate itself from precedent....because the circumstances are constantly changing, not only in an orderly fashion, but also randomly - both chaos and order participating in the outcome, the perceived circumstances.
The brain/mind is the only place that can remain free from external interactions - it is the only place where the absolute can exist as a vague, unclear, obscure, concept....static, unchanging, in relation to the fluctuating cosmic circumstances - rigid, by comparison.  
The mind is the only place the absolute oneness and absolute nil can exist as abstraction, as idea/ideal...and as a goal....a designation that is nowhere to be found, other than in the mind of the subject; in the mind the natural space/time rules do not apply. a man can imagine himself flying, soaring into space, travelling back in time, creating strange new life-forms....synthesising incompatible concepts etc., so only in the mind can the abstraction, the ideological concept of an absolute state, exist.
Outside the mind the concept is meaningless....there is no immutable, indivisible, singularity or void.
So, meaning represents the inter-relationship of real and unreal mental abstractions, just as a man can create an imaginary map of Middle-Earth that corresponds to nothing outside the minds that share this imaginary world...a map with no geographical reference.
There can be realistic and unrealistic goals, objectives, destinations....most are a degree of both.
The mind is constantly re-evaluating its own interpretations in relation to a fluctuating world; constantly adjusting its judgements to the influx of new data....  
This is how choice is affected in the immediate....in the present.
One moment I choose this, but a hour or a minute alter the circumstances have changed, predictably, and so I adjust my choice, keeping my goal fixed...or I may even abandon the goal as unrealistic, as founded on an error in judgement.
My choice must remain flexible....free from precedent, which only offers a foundation to judge the shifting circumstances, so as to differentiate the illusory from the real.

Most of the data flows into my brain unconscionably....I never become aware of it, because I don't have to. only when the data is traumatic, severe, a big change requiring the processing of my lucid mind - ego - do I become aware.
I am choosing even when I am not aware that I am doing so....and so i guide myself towards an inevitable destination of my own choosing. I participate in my own circumstances, but blame the interactions I have no control over, so as to absolve myself of the responsibility - of my weakness to process all the data, or all the probabilities....or to absolve myself of the errors in judgement, or my own wilful participation in the negative circumstances I then blame entirely on others - I self-deceive.  
Self-awareness is not only a source of anxiety and vulnerability it is also a source of empowerment - only when i know this is occurring can I intervene to stop it, or redirect myself according to new criteria, more lucid, conscious criteria.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 05, 2019 1:08 pm

We make choices all the time...only most of them are on a subconscious level, forcing us to consciously justify them.
Some cannot, so the occult is invented to explain them, and to place the blame on something or someone else.

Ego is the lucid, conscious part; self is the unconscious.
Ego is of the mind; self is the body, and more, it is the sum of all nurturing - nature made present.

Most can only identify with ego....nihilists go further, denying ego & self, or just 'self'...superficially, and hypocritically.
Self is past - sum of all nurturing.
Some nihilists selectively preserve ego as a representation of the present....while negating past and, oft-times, future, because many have no investment in it....due to their own degenerate inheritance.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 6:52 pm

The one who chooses has power; the one chosen is powerless.
The implications are clear.

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The predator choose when and what to hunt.
The herd is chosen.
The farmer chooses what to do with his herd.
The herd endures stoically....and innocently?

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 6:12 am

Responsibility & Guilt

In as human court of law the perpetrators awareness contributes to evaluating the level of his guilt.
Intent implies an awareness of the consequences. Ignorance, though a lessens crime, reduces the guilt due to the actor's lack of intent.
But this does not erase his responsibility. Though he may not have intended to kill a child that he did, even due to his ignorance, or lack of technique, or whatever, makes him guilty....and if he is normal he feels it.

If a man goes out and picks and consumes a toxic mushroom, and dies from its effects, is the guilty party, because he is the active agency, whereas the mushroom is passive.....yet, the fact that it manufactured the toxin also implies an intent, albeit a defensive one. It is responsible for the man's death, even if it has no way of knowing or stopping itself from being toxic, but the largest portion of responsibility is placed upon the active agency, the man who went out looking for the mushroom and essentially killed it, and its death lead to his own.
This does not make the mushroom not responsible. We can't call it innocent because it is ignorant....the toxin's production carries the insinuation of intent.
We don't absolve another of responsibility because the negative consequences were unintended.
In the case of the mushroom's defensive toxin, they are intended, even if the plant is ignorant of its own activities and their intent.
Cause and Effect do not require a conscious agency, only a process of trial and error, through the process of natural selection. The intent is to survive and propagate.
To deny another this is to make you responsible for its inability to survive and propagate.
What this implies is a denial of a future, a negation of the other's potentials and probabilities - its space/time, where space is possibility and time is a dynamic relationship between an organisms metabolism and cosmic interactivity - Flux. On one side, the subject is ordering, perceiving order, and on the other, the objective world, chaos is also participating in the inter-activities.
So, the subject relates to the object as a negative, due to the presence of chaos and its dynamic nature, threatening the subject's desire to self-order and to maintain itself indefinitely.
Order = probabilities.
Chaos & Order = possibilities.
The subject wants to preserve and enhance particular probabilities in a sea of fluctuating undesirable probabilities and unknown possibilities. This is the source of its anxiety.
We can say that the cosmos is responsible for the organism's anxieties, even if the cosmos has no intent, no will. Only living organisms have a will, a focused intent, even if it is unconscious, impulsive, as with plants.
The plant's intent to survive and propagate made it produce the toxin, as a defence against active agencies with their own intent to survive and propagate, and so to consume it. The plant's intent makes it more than just responsible for the man's death, though the man's responsibility is highest.
He chose to go out looking for something to consume and he chose to pick, kill the mushroom, and he chose to consume it.
That he was ignorant of the mushroom's toxicity is not an excuse....he dies. Nature's decrees are harsh offering no compassion due to ignorance.
Only man feels compassion for another due to his/her ignorance, because only man can relate to the infinite unknown possibilities and probabilities of existence. He can relate to another, because he too is anxious about the sees probabilities and possibilities.
Yet, this still does not make man absolve the active agency of responsibility.
responsibility does not only mean causality, it means intent. It is the intent that is being judged in a human court, to determine the degree of punishment....without ever absolving the actor of responsibility.
What is being judged is the degree or the severity of the responsibility.
the agency had choice....and even if ignorant of the consequences, its judgement - poor and partial - lead to the choices which resulted in a negative outcome.
Choice is the decisive factor.
Even the mushroom chooses, even if unintentionally, to produce the defensive toxin as a means to maintaining itself in a world of active agencies.


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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyFri Nov 22, 2019 11:55 am

Energies - whether patterned (ordering) or random (chaotic) - interact with no intent. Their interactions are their essence. The type of energy - its rhythm, spin, vibration, speed, direction - determines the interaction and its degree.
Compatible patterns attract, incompatible patterns repel - the degree of their compatibility, their agreement, determining the degree of attraction/repulsion.
ergo, random energies can never be compatible with patterned or even with other non-patterned energies. This is why chaos is discreet, manifesting as appearance through their interaction with patterns.
No will, no consciousness, no choice.
What has choice is what is alive. The very definition of life implies choice.
Life being an unity of compatible patterns that has established a cohesion that is cultivated and reinforced over time, i.e., an organism; self-organizing, where 'self' refers to the continuum passed on as memory (DNA), informing and directing the organization of patterns.
Life is born, (thrown), awakens, to existence gradually. It's ascent from lower to higher degrees of awareness multiplying its options and its ability to choose - directing its aggregate energies towards a desired goal - an objective.
This directing of energies (patterns) is called 'will', i.e., Will to Power, Will, to Life, Will to Death...etc.
To will is to choose - choice referring to the objective, will referring to the subjective.
I will myself towards an objective, without knowing if it will agree with my expectations of it.

Choice does not mean it has been determined and therefore an illusory choice. It means the organism participates in determining its own future, through its conscious and unconscious (automatic, impulsive, instinctive) choices.
The body is judging and interacting before the mind becomes aware of it, but the mind can usurp the body's judgements and intervene upon its automatic reactions - interactions.
We call this 'will power', or cultivation, training, etc.
Civilization is a product of an organism's - in this case homo sapient - self-cultivation, or reprogramming, or interventions upon its genetically evolved and inherited automated reactions, impulses, etc. - consciousness intervening upon unconsciousness.


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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyFri Nov 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Need/Suffering is the source of choice; need/suffering is the experienced of existing, i.e., interaction experienced, either consciously or subconsciously; need/suffering is temporal attrition, change stressing the organism - agon.
For the non-living, the non-conscious, there is only interaction, with no need or suffering.
Suffering is need left unsatisfied over time.
To choose is to express need.
To will is to express a need for what is lacking or to maintain what is uncertain or that which requires constant replenishing and reaffirming.

There are two types of suffering, one born of need (body), and one born of excess (mind); the former making the latter possible, but not certain; the former named 'need' and the latter named 'desire'.
Mind has always been associated with god, since Abrahamism dominated western tribes, and for this reason this one-god has been associated with the brain's excesses and its freedom from natural laws that bind the body. But even those who associate it thusly intuitively sense the mind's dependence on the body, and so have ceased to believe in 'free-will'....in any absolute form, going as far as to dismiss it competently, intuitively sensing the minds dependence and conditioning to the body; mistaking the bodies automatic  and independent choices and reactions as belonging to another; mistaking the bodies limitations imposed upon mind, as divine in origin; mistaking the body's order, for a universal one.

Choice is always driven by need/desire: one born of lack, needing to replenish itself continuously, the other born of excess needing to expunge itself, ephemerally and only if the former successfully accumulates more than it requires.
Eros is born of Ananke.

Power is a measure of the individual's ability to satiate needs and to accumulate excesses, directing them towards objectives to expunge them.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptySat Nov 23, 2019 5:31 pm

A natural product of need/desire is that accumulated energies must be expunged quickly, towards organic maintenance, growth and/or reproduction, because if these energies are not directed effectively they are lost to the constant attrition of interactivity - lost in time.
For this reason, life has evolved mechanisms to quickly take advantage of the accumulated energies produced by need, making desire a impulse that requires immediate relief.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptySat Nov 23, 2019 7:55 pm



An example of the body's automatic reactions that does not require the participation of the brain.
A primitive, plant-like, judgement call, followed by a choice expressed as an action.

I've used another, more crude example that is better.
A male, born and raised to consider certain sexual practices immoral, or bad - such as paedophilia, adultery, lusting over another man's wife etc. - and entirely committed to cultural and social conventions, will get an erection when in the presence of an attractive female - perhaps of an age which has been established, by spiritual or secular law, as being immature, or under-aged.
An example of how the body's judgements, via the more primitive parts of the brain, may override the lucid, frontal cortex, or may respond to stimuli before the lucid mind has a chance to gain control over its own body's reactions.
As if he were possessed by the devil himself, or some external will were in control... it may claim 'innocence', because will is placed in the lucid part of the organism....the ego.
This is where guilt and shame resides....and nowhere else, because only here does the gene come in contact with the meme.

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PostSubject: Re: Choice Choice - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 27, 2020 8:37 am



Marxism believes the coming of the utopian socialist ideal is not only probable and predictable, but unavoidable, because they do not believe in man's free-will - in fact they detest it.
Freedom, as it exists, is detrimental to its ideal society - it is the very source of the the "evils" of Capitalism.
This is why it failed to realize its own ideal society and to predict its emergence.
Early on, based no their hard determinism - another connector to Abrahamism - they predicted that the rise of the proletariat masses was inevitable - preordained, as it were.
This is the source of the Marxist's naivete.
later they adjusted their formula speculating that the proletariat cannot rise spontaneously but must be made to rise up in rebellion by the intelligentsia - the select few gifted leaders.
Already we see the emergence of a hierarchy imitating Capitalism's wealth based hierarchies.

They could not account for human nature because in their deterministic minds order can be entirely predicted - order implies a pattern that would make it predictable.  
But human nature, a product of nature, is not entirely a product of order, but also of chaos, and this is, as the architect in the movie The Matrix called 'an anomaly', as he - it - attempted to explain why his programming matrices constantly failed.



To put it in my lingo:
Past is determined - partly by the choices of those who participated in it - and to the degree that they did so.
Present - presence - is fluid - it is existence being experienced, and it is here where the future is being determined, in relation to the past, by wilful agencies, such as living organisms.  
Non-living existence has no will and so must follow entirely from the past - either as order (patterned energies: repeating consistency - predictable), or as chaos (non-patterened energies: inconsistent, un-repeating, unpredictable)
Within Abrahamic and later Marxist contexts, the former is the ideal of god, or absolute order, and the latter is the concept of Satan, the trickster, or absolute chaos.

Intent is the point where the past is given direction - a focus - in the present, determining the future not only by the act itself but by the collateral effects, which remain unpredictable.  

The "anomaly" is chaos. The idea of absolute order is a secular form of the Abrahamic one-god - nihilistic in that a singularity negates/nullifies the experience of multiplicity.
A conflict between the idea (ideal) of oneness and the experience of nil - as it pertains to our human conceptions of an absolute, referring to our mental abstractions.  
The experienced world deny us the existence of our own ideas if and when these are presumed as being absolute truths, i.e., immutable, indivisible, complete....perfect.
It is this notion of 'perfection' which man obsesses over, and leads him astray.
Determinism implies that there is no 'bad', or 'wrong', or 'evil' - within an Abrahamic world-view - but that all that exists is in accordance to the will of god, or universal order.
world must be stoically endured, because we have no choice in the matter.
The idea absolves all responsibility from all actions - it is the salvation myth given a modern upgrade.
It secretly hides faith that all that exists and occurs happens for a reason no man can know or resist. The secret is in the conviction that what is determined is benevolent - has no motive, or if it does that this motive is always good - always an expression of perfection.
Human pain and suffering finds an external agency to rationalize its own condition - now to be tolerated and endured, awaiting the inevitable end.
But chaos indicates that the evolution of the brain, and of conciousness, is to deal with what is not entirely predictable - an organ naturally selection to deal with the unforeseeable.
Most of this reactivity is automated, giving the impression that the lucid mind, the individual identifies with, is innocent of its own behaviour - or the choices it has already made subconsciously (impulsively) and in accordance to tried and tested methods - determined in the past.
In post-modern and nihilistic ideologies the rejection of past means the individual does not identify with what is no longer present and still fluid and flexible. It refuses to identify with the body as the past made present, imposing a limitation to the mind's options.

We have a dualistic conflict between two absolutist world-views - one using absolute order to replace god - believing itself enlightened or as progressing beyond the anthropomorphic childishness of the past - and the other using absolute chaos to reject all contingencies, liberating itself from past, and sometimes even from the present.
One identifies as a negation of the other - creating the bi-polar binary nihilism of today - positive and pure nihilists.
Reality, as always, is what occurs in between human abstractions - in between the one and the nil.

As always....words representing human ideas can be defined out of existence, or in a way that makes experienced existence "illusory" or to negate it altogether.
The mind's defensive utility, helping the organism cope with its emerging and growing self-awareness.
Religion is the opiate of the people - requiring self-numbing to cope with their own inability to accept such juxtapositions.
Liberated from its original utility, intelligence becomes detrimental to fitness, to the degree to which it cannot be channelled to deal with challenges, and stressors, forcing it to turn inward to escape ennui.
Schopenhauer, Arthur wrote:
The two enemies of human happiness are pain and boredom.

Man uses pleasure to deal with both - pleasure = nullification of need/suffering; pleasure = nullification of desire.
The first a product of absence - temporal attrition, absent absolute - the second a by-product of the first, producing excess, that requires expunging.

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