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The transition occurred due to the psychological impact Nietzsche produced in the Abrahamic.
The need to distance itself from the discredited Christian ideology - discrediting both Judaism and Islam ion the process - required a redefinition of semiotics.
A process Christianity understood when it appropriated Paganism and simply altered the definitions of the same symbols/words, referring to ancient traditions and rituals.
Marxism was how Judaism sought to reinvent itself.
Islam remained somewhat unaffected, but it did experience a need to update its own scripture to become more modern.

Secularizing religious concepts is as simple as renaming and redefining the exact same concepts, and then seeking empirical evidence to support this redefinition so as to pretend to be something new and different.
This is quintessential Top<>Down emoting.
The idea is taken for granted as an absolute truth, and what remains is to use language to integrate new scientific insights and philosophical positions into the same unquestionable absolute truth.

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PostSubject: Re: Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 10:24 am

One-God, omnipotent and omniscient = Universe, absolutely ordered
God's absolute authority as creator is transferred to a obscure concept of oneness, implying the same authority without an intent. Yet, all evens, good and bad, are presented as being inevitable; not god's will, but part of a universal order nothing can ever challenge - sin, is no longer presented as even a test of an individual's submission, or a possibility. Submission is a given.
All occurs exactly as it was always meant to occur - there's not even the possibility of an alternative, because even that has been predetermined. So everything is part of a telos, not in the sense of an end, but in the sense of inevitable occurrences.

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In god's image = in accordance with universal laws
Ten Commandment and logos, as defined by modern Christians, is translated into Laws of Nature and Physics.
the insinuation of a divine, unquestionable origin of Laws.
Spinozean = nature's laws are god's laws.

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Afterlife = eternal return
Here the description of eternal return is of a repeating cycle of the absolute - in exactly the same sequence and through exactly the same events. Essentially the believer feels he lives forever, the same life.

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In god's image. Man as a representative of the divine.
This is converted to the idea of a lack of agency, implying that human behaviour is predetermined and in accordance with natural absolute laws. [see above]
Man is but a manifestation of this order - which is no longer called divine, but absolute.
Since absolutes cannot be shown but only thought, described, defined, the 'divine' remains what it always has been, a reference to a mental abstraction - other examples of the same are 'whole', 'complete', 'perfect', one', 'nil'. always a reference to mental abstractions that are sometimes externalized as symbols, contained within an arbitrary boundary...for example, a puzzle is completed because it is a representation of a finite abstractions with boundaries.
Even the concept of boundlessness, or infinity, is conceptualized as a whole, a singularity, an enclosure, because the mind cannot think outside the binary method = 1/0, representing cellular diastolic/systolic rhythms, sequences.
Even the systolic/diastolic sequence is about degrees, not absolutes...but this is translated by the mind as absolutes - the highest, most abstract form being one/nil - neither of which can be shown, experienced, but only thought, named, described and defined.
The mind is where absolutes exist, as ideas...and what is referred to as 'divine', implying that the body - the corporeal, physical - is an illusion, a source of sin - according to Abrahamism - of trickery, when, in fact, the body is the most honest of the two.
Ironically, or not, mind is where free-will is possible, because only mind can choose in opposition to the body's automated impulses.  
This is where nihilism is rooted. this opposition can go to the length of absolute denial of self, or the usurping of the physical, the tangible, by the abstract.
mind becomes intoxicated by its own ability to ignore the natural limitations the body is forced to abide by.
This is where positive Nihilism declares itself god creator of reality, in opposition to pure Nihilism which declares itself a slave, a helpless agency, an illusion.

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Accepting god, worshipping him, is the path towards salvation.
In secular forms, Stoicicism endures the inevitability of its own suffering, finding salvation from the mental suffering of knowing it is responsible for much of its own circumstances.
Given that the physical is dismissed an illusory, salvation is for the mind, just as spirit in Christian lingo is a reference to mind, and the idea is the absolute divine that exists in the mind.      
The secular finds salvation for his mental suffering by accepting the absolute authority of the albeit unconscious, yet absolute universal law.It finds salvation in believing that nothing it did or could have ever done, would have changed its circumstances - like in Christianity, it is innocent, once it abandons the relevance of the body and embraces the mind as the ambiguous, undefinable, otherness, it surrenders to.  
Jesus came down to take upon himself the sins of mankind....meaning their corporeality, so as to convert them to mindless agencies of the universal one-mind.
The secular form does not abandon this notion of salvation through mind. It is the mind's mysteriousness where the modern surrenders its own will. He is now, through association with the absolute, an representation of it - it has ceased to resist, and is compensated for its surrender with innocence. All that he does or says is now attributable to universal order. Power through association.
Gives new meaning to the words of Nietzsche, which many of these imbeciles follow religiously, as if he were a prophet of the absolute authority - absolute order.
A redefinition of 'Will to Power' is now given from the herd's perspective - finding power not in one's self, but outside one's self, in the absolute otherness. Now one wills power to submit to it....because self has already been determined, in their mind, to be powerless.
How is a herd compensated for the farmer's exploitation - unremarkable that these same buffoons are Marxists -
They are compensated by the farmer's protection, care, allowing the herd to remain innocent, uncaring, playful, infantile, untroubled by the consequence of their choices, because they've abandoned their will, and surrendered it to the farmer's. He is now the one responsible for their suffering and for their pleasures.
They are entirely dependent on his will.

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One-God is replaced by the term uni-verse...a corruption of the original cosmos.
This is easily transferred from Abrahamism to more secular terminology by retaining the 'one' as the core, and simply replacing the qualifying 'god' with a new qualifier.
One, the singularity, is another concept that exists in the human mind, and alludes to an enclosure,a bounded space/time which can then be described in mystifying contradictory ways, such as infinite. The enclosure stretched eternally...as only the mind can do.
The same process in describing one-bottle, or a whole-bottle, is at work in defining and describing a one-verse, a universe. The description refers to the mental abstraction - noumenon - of the real phenomenon, within arbitrary boundaries that enclose space time. the process of abstracting is a process of reducing the probable/possible to a finite, yet ambiguous, concept. I call this simplification/generalization - essentially the mind interprets the apparent by eliminating what it cannot integrate into a cohesive model. The phenomenon is enclosed in a bounded space/time with finite quantities of probability/possibility, even if most are still unknown.
Open-ended space/time is enclosed by the mind to make it manageable, and less of a source of anxiety - by naming it the mind is relieved. It names the mysterious so it believes it knows and understands it.
This is also in play with occultism. the charlatan names the mysterious, the unknown, implying that he/she knows and understands something the others do not, or cannot. To name something is to convert the alien to something intimate. This is why we share names when meeting strangers.

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PostSubject: Re: Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 11:10 am

Is it surprising that the same types gravitate to the same ideas, no matter what names or symbols are used to describe them?
Not if you understand human nature and how it participates in judgement.

The connecting principle between Abrahamsim - or any form of nihilistic spirituality - and any form of secular nihilism, I've attempted to describe and to explain in threads like [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]....[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]...and elsewhere.
The connecting principle is inversion of the sequence of noumenon referring to phenomenon, or how the idea/ideal emerges and relates to the real....or how the body evolves an organ names brain, which manifests as mind.
This relationship and temporal sequence is inverted by nihilism....no matter what form it takes. In fact it comes in multiple forms precisely because it has detaches itself from the limiting and self-disciplining experienced world...so it can manufacture any absurdity it so desires, as long as it can construct something that is cohesive and seductive, to attract converts to adopt it as their own coping mechanism, and believe in it, lending it credence because it lacks all reality so it needs such supports to continue.
Reality doesn't require conviction or belief....the one who cannot interpret it accurately suffers the consequences - reality does not disappear without believers; nihilistic ideologies depend on believers because they disappear without them, so their entire survival is based on how many it can proselytize, and how many adopt ti as their own coping mechanism.

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The type is always the same...yes.
Beneath the external humility lies a trembling arrogance that believes it deserves the eternal, the absolute...and though many of these imbeciles reject self, as part of their nihilistic psychosis, they hold onto ego, just as they reject negative consequences, that produce shame, but maintain the positive ones that produce pride.
Nihilism is duplicitous and selective, because it is a coping mechanism - a defensiveness against the consequences of self-awareness and the higher levels of suffering this produces in them.
They want to endure the physical, knowing that the mental is immune to pain/suffering.

Nihilism finds refuge in the mind - the abstract, the ideology, the theory.


The ego grows to such arrogant proportions, that not even the concept of an anthropomorphic one-god can be endured - becoming a source of conflict and shame.
The idea of a consciousness holding authority over them is rejected and replaced with a faceless, unconsciousness, but still an absolute authority.
The judgemental gaze is averted...and replaced by a vague concept with no judgement, but with the same absolute authority.
It retains the arrogance, through association, by implying that it is the face of the absolute, and its judgement is the judgement of the absolute authority. Therefore, there can be no wrong judgement, only a different judgement as a manifestation of the same absolute.
Now every man is a reflection of a faceless, unconscious god, renamed universe or absolute order, or one.

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PostSubject: Re: Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism Linguistic Transition from Abrahamism to Secular Nihilism EmptyMon Nov 18, 2019 12:56 pm

A chosen proxy usually indicates and pinpoints the source of the individual's anxiety.
For example, if power is sought through a proxy, either God or Nietzsche, or some other icon/idol representing power over other, then power is the source of anxiety for the individual. The degree usually directs the choice. God, as absolute, omnipotence, indicates a severe anxiety concerning personal power; Nietzsche, with his allusion to Will to Power, indicates a lower grade anxiety.
An anxiety concerning evaluating others psychologically - insecurity concerning intent - attracts minds to the proxy of astrology, or to Jungian psychological taxonomy; here the anxiety finds relief through another proxy to the degree which it is incapable of judging on its own. Therefore, a severe lack of talent, or an insecurity regarding one's own abilities, will seek a compensating relief in the more absolutist, mystical source of guidance called astrological; a lesser level of anxiety will seek relief through a more mundane proxy, such as Jung, or Freud, or whomever or whatever offers a method to judge and to decide the motives and character of other - to help the individual make a choice.

The level of confidence, and of trust, an individual shows to an external source of judgement, indicates the degree and trust it holds for its own judgement.
Ergo, absolutism indicates a total lack of trust and confidence in one's self. The step towards self-abnegation is already a given.

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Now we can see how Nietzsche became the icon/idol for the age of loss of culture and traditions and of identity.
He connected the mind to pre-Socratic - i.e., ancient sources of tradition - and spoke of power in a nihilistic world where powerlessness was, and is, a by-product of this negating defensiveness.
Through Nietzsche's words concerning power and value, the lost and powerless felt a connection to something missing in themselves.
He became, for them, the ideal proxy to represent their own personal sense of insecurity and vulnerability - their powerlessness and loss of trust and confidence in their own judgements.
Like Socrates and Jesus, Nietzsche became the idealized proxy of his age....an age characterized by the dominance of nihilism.

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What's ion a name? If it refers to the same phenomenon or the same noumenon, what's the difference what symbol/word you use to refer to it?
If it is defined and described in a similar way, then what does it matter what moniker you use?

Whether you call it one-god, or absolute, or simply one, or whatever other name you prefer, if you define and describe it in the same way, then you are speaking of the same concept, differing only in how you approach and how you relate to it.

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Linguistic ambiguity is how the modern degenerate coward and hypocrite remains correct - absolutely so - no matter what is said and what new data it is confronted with.
Its language is so vague so obscure that he is always agreeing and simultaneously, at a alter date, disagreeing...so her is never in error.
Refusing to connect words to reality, enables this kind of imbecile, to pretend he is some kind of Nostradamean genius.
Nothing he says can ever pinpoint him so he can claim to be misunderstood or misinterpreted, and the justification is always the same...only a few, like him,. actually understand the occult meaning of his obscurantism. Meaning that only those who share his cowardice, hypocrisy and idiocy, can actually understand why they need to remain vague and unclear, using prose and poetics to imply without ever stating anything....like astrology: language so vague and imprecise as to apply to anything, anyone, at any time.

Why do you think nihilists are always cynics or effete womanly morons?
Nothing they ever say do they actually understand. they defer...mentioning names - icons and idols - that supposedly implies an understanding which they do not personally posses.
They are always what the proxy they choose, implies that they are.

If it is god, then they are omnipotent, or omniscient...they know a secret nobody else knows; if it is Nietzsche then they are pagan, or powerful, or wise, beyond what they can display personally....he represents their insights into existence and human psychology; if it is Jesus then they are altruistic, and kind and in possession of a secret and profound insight that can save mankind or liberate the individual from his anxieties and pans and sufferings.
The proxy is what the moron can never be on his or her own.

Ambiguity ensures that he will not be caught in his own duplicity. Not even he will be revealed to himself as a liar and coward. He never actually says anything, other than what is always popular or what is dominating in the moment. His words so vague, suing prose and poetics, that he never actually means what others understand; he is always evading detection...always too deep and wise, or complicated to be comprehended.

Don't recall who said it, but the just is, that a real genius simplifies concepts so that the non-genius, the average mind can comprehend; the moron, intentionally complicates concepts to imply genius because he is truly an imbecile pretending to be more than what he is, through proxies; proxies act as allusions to genius, or to depths he cannot offer on his own.
If he would ever dare to explain his own understanding clearly and succinctly it would be so idiotic, so simple, that his image would be tarnished forever.
A wannabe hypocrite does the opposite of what an honest man of talent would do - he unnecessarily convolute and obscures his opinions, because his opinions are old or so dumb that if he were to reveal them clearly, he would lose status.



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How would Nietzsche's concept of an 'overman' translate into secular forms of Abrahamism, or Nihilism?
How can one overcome what has already been determined to be overcome or not to be overcome?
In the mind of a secular coward and hypocrite the concept is about piety. He who has been chosen, to represent the absolute most precisely.
There isn't even an overcoming because all of it has been determined, in the minds of the demented.
All that is left is fate. Who has it been fated, by chance, to represent the absolute the closest; who has been chosen, because personal choice no longer matters, to be the agency of god's or the absolutes truth?

There isn't any pride or honour in overcoming when this has already been determined when the universe came to be, or has always been determined as an invariability as an end that will be fulfilled, continuously.
The moron feels honoured for being chosen to be the absolutes representation of the ideal. he is never responsible - only when he is exposed as a hypocrite using determinism to only evade shame while preserving his enjoyment of pride; only then does he resultantly abandon pride, for the sake of evading shame....given the life he has produced with his every choice.
There is no personal overcoming, if all is determined. There is only fatalism.

Imagine trying to integrate Nietzsche into Christian, or Abrahamic nihilism, even in the form of secular humanism.
It can only convince those who are already enslaved by Abrahamism....and then interpreted within the contexts of this nihilistic spiritualism.
This is like trying to integrate an anti-Marxist into Marxist dogma. not impossible when you are preaching to the choir, or when you are dealing with imbeciles already indoctrinated into the ideology.
So, how can the concept of an overman be integrated into absolutism and determinism, if all is already determined and the absolute reigns supreme?
Upon integrate it using its context. So overman is the one chosen to represent the authority, the absolute dominion, of universal order.
How else can there be any benefit to overcoming, or being an overman, when all is preordained?
Only though the concept of choseness. The individual feeling proud for being selected to represent the divine, or the absolute, with no criteria given....simple chance. It's just the way it is. Because a criterion would imply a selection process and of earning the privilege, which would be impossible if all is absolutely determined.
Even the notion of an overcoming implies a determined absolute plan....a preordained effect, due to causality.
He or she who overcomes, anything, is the one who was lucky enough to be chosen to represent this overcoming, or was fortunate enough to be the recipient of this causal chain of events that preordained him/her to be the eternal symbol of overcoming.
The individual feels proud for being chosen, for being the lucky representation of this overcoming. There is nothing about him that earned it....his every trait represents the path towards this symbolic overcoming.
But what is truly being overcome if all is in accordance to an absolute order?
The common.
The individual feels uncommon, rare....special, as the representation of the rare, and yet inevitable.
It's a secular form of piety. A piety that is not earned, not the product of personal struggle, but is inevitable.
It could only have ever been this way.

This is the all levelling ideal of the imbecile.
No matter what or how....it could only have ever been this way, and no other way.
So, there's nothing to be ashamed of, no proud of....but only laugh at how things were preordained to be.

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