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PostSubject: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:01 pm



7/7 - The Ripple Effect

Part 1 of 7 part film examining the media coverage of the 7/7 (7th July 2005) bombings in London. Asides from the leaps of logic, the extreme-extrapolation contained in the epilogue, and the general... speed at which the narrator talks, this is an interesting film which I feel does contain some valid lines of argumentation regarding the 'conspiracy' of the 7/7 bombings.

I added this here cos I read some of Echo's threads and she makes mention of Jewish banks and such, so I thought that there may be some interest in this.

Basically, the film argues that the "suicide" bombers were not even on the trains that exploded, and that they were executed after following a scripted "test/run-through" of an event that exactly resembled what happened: on the day, Peter Power's "crisis management company" were performing a practice run-through of a hypothetical terrorist plot to blow up 3 trains and 1 bus. The 4 suspected terrorists were actors playing the role of terrorists (the film argues).

It also suggests a connection between a prime-time television show by the BBC in May (Panorama), the previous year (2004), where senior politician Michael Portillo and Peter Powers, with other unnamed people discuss the same event happening, and the government's right to control media coverage of such an event.

Overall, it is an interesting thought-provoker, regardless of the "size of the conspiracy", as there are many coincidences that add up to a pretty inconsistent story regarding the nature of the attack.
The brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was shot in the head several times on the 22nd of July, the film ties this into the meta-narrative regarding the previous terror attack, and the government of the time (Tony Blair) as they attempted to recover support for a failing "War-On-Terror" in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This ties in nicely with the ideas discussed in Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" - As New Labour/Neo-Con policies were generally made by following neo-liberal economic principles...
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:04 pm

For me all signs point to a post Cold War rearrangement of global socioeconomic and military balances...and a gradual pullback to all that was implemented in the past and is no longer necessary.

I would say much of the privileges the middle-class enjoyed, up to the Soviet system's collapse was a method of preventing the infection of the western populations with communist ideals.

They did this by raising the standard of living, curbing the emergence of general poverty and despair that had resulted both in the French and Russian revolution, and by keeping control over the intelligentsia that would promote these ideologies as alternatives to the more vulgar capitalistic system - vulgar because it best reflects natural dynamics, except for the self-serving intervention upon them with the concept of ownership.

It is the last, in fact, that leads to much of the sense of injustice and disatisfaction the majority feel within capitalistic system...and it is this foundation that makes wealth the underlying power in western societies.

Having said that I must also mention that there is no such thing as a purely capitalistic system as there never has been and never will be a purely communist system...and as there has never been an authentic democracy, after its first nascent steps. In fact, every time capitalism veers closer to its own ideological purity it collapses, as happened recently.

So, we are dealing with the usual interchange of elites that sell an ideal - most actually buying into it - for the repetition of a lie convinces the mind of its veracity and the best liars must buy into the lie in order to sell it better - and these elites then attempt to gain power and then keep it...as it is normal for them to want to do so.

I think with the contributions of Freud's insights into human nature, even if he might have exaggerated certain aspects of it and didn't delve beneath others to any great depth (such as the impact of mortality)...and the later innovative application of these insights by his nephew Bernays have been used by the elites of that period to maitnain power using more clever methods. It is these same elites that still govern the U.S. and by extension Great Britain.
They do so with more sophistication, keeping out of the limelight, living more private low key lives, exerting power from behind figureheads so that their authority is never noticed and when it is it can be dismissed as another conspiracy theory that undermines the common sentiment or mentioned in passing and then forgotten.

There is no better method to keep a slave enslaved than to convince him that he is already free and/or to train him to consider slavery a virtue, and his services and his discipline the very foundations of his identity.
Christianity does it by selling the idea that the true test of one's worthiness for eternal life and the identification of piousness is the acceptance of an absurd dogma...and the extent that one suspends reason and does not question - has faith - determines the measure of one's worthiness: his sacrifice.

What is occurring now is a rearrangement, a change, where what methods were applied before are adjusted to new circumstances, in a world of continuously altering environments.
Keep in mind that all this is enclosed within a global context, where no frontiers are accessible, populations are increasing and resources are dwindling...and this defines much of the dynamics in play and how these rearrangements take place.



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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:26 am

MonoExplosion wrote:

This ties in nicely with the ideas discussed in Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" - As New Labour/Neo-Con policies were generally made by following neo-liberal economic principles...

Don't you think the 'banking crisis' is more along the shock doctrine lines...?

Smell the fear.....
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:06 am

7/7 Ripple Effect is a load of conspiratainment hogwash. Basically, it takes the most conspiratorial view of a bunch of disparate news stories, and, ignoring all reason (despite invoking Occam's Razor) produces a countermyth to the Home Office's myth about what happened.

Muad Dib has now been unmasked as a messiah-wannabe 70 year old Yorkshireman living in Ireland.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:15 am

His voice, his whole persona is really quite amusing. I guess we should just put it down to a conspiracy involving only four muslims.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:20 am

Don't get me wrong, I think the official story of 7/7 is even bigger hogwash than 7/7 ripple effect, I just think that movie is poor.

There is a series appearing in segments on youtube called 7/7 The Big Picture and there's a forthcoming documentary called 7/7 Seeds of Deconstruction, and though they are a little out of date now Mind the Gap and Ludicrous Diversion are worth a watch.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:35 pm

Wow...you want a bizarre and nearly unbelievable conspiracy...





Veeeery interesting. 0_o
There are like super extensive documentaries on this too. One has 6 parts.

When you first hear it you're like...whaaaat? Then you see their argument and you're like hmm... 0_o

There are also holocaust deniers, but that rabbit hole goes real deep because there's evidence everywhere that something happened. There are witnesses and footage etc so most deniers don't say nothing at all happened, they just think it's been exaggerated hyperbolic propaganda...and in some countries like Germany, you can be jailed for even discussing it....now that in and of itself is suspicious.

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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:50 pm



#2 of this series gives a motive. It was a race against Russia.

















HOOOOLY O_O

Henry Kissinger was behind it??

...how does that not surprise me....in the least...? And why hasn't that Jew been burned yet?
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:45 pm



Oh...now it makes sense...don't I feel dumb.

Haha...yyaaaaayyy si si ja ja ^_^ I love rammstein. I hope globalism collapses soon and we go back to tribes.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:17 pm

I don't know...

then again, we probably will become tyrannically globalized and genocide is already underway. I just have to find the best ways to maneuver around it I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:48 am

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Wow...you want a bizarre and nearly unbelievable conspiracy...

Hardly bizarre, and it is evidently very believable since millions upon millions of people believe it.

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Veeeery interesting. 0_o
There are like super extensive documentaries on this too. One has 6 parts.

When you first hear it you're like...whaaaat? Then you see their argument and you're like hmm... 0_o

And then someone's like hey, and then you're all like no way bitch and then they're all like you bony skank and you're all like you peroxide whore and then...

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#2 of this series gives a motive. It was a race against Russia.

...HOOOOLY O_O

Henry Kissinger was behind it??

...how does that not surprise me....in the least...? And why hasn't that Jew been burned yet?

It would help if you could distinguish between documentaties exploring the moon landings and mockumentaries taking the piss out of conspiracy theorists.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:58 am

Why are you so disgruntled, SIATD? Somethin' gotcha dooown little fella?

By the way, you know I write like that to purposely be a retard. It's my specialty. I guess yours must be dry humor.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:09 am

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Why are you so disgruntled, SIATD? Somethin' gotcha dooown little fella?

I think you are mistaking pedantry for discontent.

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By the way, you know I write like that to purposely be a retard. It's my specialty. I guess yours must be dry humor.

I don't believe for a second that you want to appear as a retard, so presumably this is some goth-generation post-ironic babble, a child who is insistent on continuing to play games.

Put another way, you should be careful that the habit of playing the retard doesn't turn into you actually being a retard. All too often I've seen (particularly in teenagers) something they've adopted sarcastically becoming their real characteristic, without then even realising.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:10 pm

Mhm...thank you oh wise one in his mid-twenties with a doctorate in anti-retard. Maybe you take yourself far too seriously...to be taken seriously.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:24 pm

did the jewz do 7/7? Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:36 pm

If you see a nose that extends far and curls farther...beware der Jude..






This instrument here will guide you..


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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:46 pm



I get it now. It's all clear. affraid
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:52 pm



Ach nicht nein Sie machten!
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:16 pm

Echo wrote:
Mhm...thank you oh wise one in his mid-twenties with a doctorate in anti-retard. Maybe you take yourself far too seriously...to be taken seriously.

Maybe your wisecracks and cynicism make you feel cool for now, but ultimately they will leave you angry, frustrated, lonely, sad, depressed and unfulfilled.

There are much better ways to deal with your unhappiness than slagging people off on an internet forum. In fact, almost anything is better than that.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:24 pm

What? lol.


Ok so...


you jump in unannounced nitpicking at my behavior and the videos I chose to post mocking me, correcting me, patronizing me...

then when I put you in your place...I'm the cynic who's slagging on internet forums?

O-kay den. -_^
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:31 pm

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What? lol.


Ok so...


you jump in unannounced

Not really.

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nitpicking at my behavior

No, initially I mockingly imitated your behaviour.

It was only when you defended it by saying you deliberately talk like a retard that I criticised it.

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and the videos I chose to post

No, I pointed out that you hadn't distinguished between documentaries advancing a conspiracy theory and mockumentaries taking the piss out of conspiracy theorists, which is a pretty big and obvious distinction.

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mocking me, correcting me, patronizing me...

Whinge whinge whinge, moan moan moan, blame blame blame.

You see how this attitude makes you unhappy?

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then when I put you in your place...I'm the cynic who's slagging on internet forums?

O-kay den. -_^

I'm not presenting a moral objection to your behaviour. I'm pointing out that it will only exacerbate your unhappiness. Your embarrassment at being wrong about the video you posted is neither here nor there, unless you let it become an issue (which you are doing, which I am not morally objecting to, just point out it will only exacerbate your unhappiness).

If you don't care for yourself then you cannot expect anyone else to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:44 pm

So outright confessions of the culprits behind the conspiracy aren't enough to please you? What video are you referring to anyway? Who says I'm unhappy and I don't care for myself? Are you for real?

Lol you really don't know what you're criticizing. Your projections are showing.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:02 pm

SIATD must be a jew, amirite? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:04 pm

My radar is off the maps.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:00 pm

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SIATD must be a jew, amirite? Shocked

I have an extremely well proportioned face, and if anything my nose is small.

Actually.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:26 pm

Echo wrote:
So outright confessions of the culprits behind the conspiracy aren't enough to please you?

Pleasing me is beside the point. Outright confessions, in a satirical film where their lines are scripted, do not convince me.

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What video are you referring to anyway?

Are you kidding? All this way, all this energy expended, and you're so ignorant about this topic that you don't even know what video I'm referring to?

Bloody hell.

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Who says I'm unhappy and I don't care for myself?

You do.

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Are you for real?

Like, totally.

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Lol you really don't know what you're criticizing. Your projections are showing.

That's just a slightly more intellectualised version of 'I know you are, I said you are, so what am I?'

I don't think you're in any position to be accusing me of ignorance.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:14 pm

Ok well uh where Henry Kissinger himself is telling the 'scripted' story, and you're still not convinced, I don't know what you want...front row seats to area 51? You'd sooner believe the landing on the moon than open testimony and evidence that it didn't occur through tongue in cheek? I can see your point...if you're a fuckwit. Suspect

They're laughing about it because it was a big joke at the time. They're all old schmucks that don't give a fuck about their liability or lies. David Rockefeller has said some of the stupidest shit I've heard in my life but he doesn't care cuz no one notices and if they do there's nothing they can do about it.

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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:38 pm

Echo wrote:
Ok well uh where Henry Kissinger himself is telling the story, and you're still not convinced, I don't know what you want...front row seats to area 51? You'd sooner believe the landing on the moon than open testimony and evidence that it didn't occur? I can see your point...if you're a fuckwit. Suspect

They're laughing about it because it was a big joke at the time. They're all old schmucks that don't give a fuck about their liability or lies. David Rockefeller has said some of the stupidest shit I've heard in my life but he doesn't care cuz no one notices and if they do there's nothing they can do about it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon_(documentary)

This is the film we're talking about. It was never intended to be taken seriously.

You owe me an apology.
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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:39 pm

It's not meant to be taken seriously. But it is serious.

This isn't meant to be taken seriously either..

http://www.gbn.com/articles/pdfs/GBN&Rockefeller%20scenarios.technology&development.pdf


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PostSubject: Re: 7/7 conspiracy Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:41 pm

They openly put it in your face because they can get away with it. -__-
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