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PostSubject: Another view of Consciousness Another view of Consciousness EmptySun Mar 07, 2021 4:30 pm

The following is based on the supposition that unity comprises multiplicity in order to realize itself.

The interaction of unity and multiplicity is called ConsciousNess* and regarded as an inter-extrapolation that relates in a Point of View which manifests ConsciousNess.
* (This particular spelling is to emphasize the relativity of Conscious: purposeful, aware – and Ness: being, existence)

In 2750, an Egyptian priest of Ptah paraphrased it like this: “The seeing of the eyes, the hearing of the ears and the breathing of the nose report to the heart*; the heart is the centre of cognition, the tongue expresses the cognized”; and since this cognition consists of a reflection & projection, the priest added “thus gods are made”.       (*traditional term for Self)

The Egyptians called the cognition Hoor Paar Kraat (Horus the Child) and its Reflection & Projection Isis & Osiris. This relativity, or state of ConsciousNess did apparently not suffice, as they reflected & projected Isis & Osiris with Nephthys & Seth, setting off a contrary Reflection/ Projection (R/P) dynamic, wherein Horus became the arbiter of its pole positions – or field limits – and thus an intermediate viewpoint.

Cultures subjected to this contrary R/P dynamic, called it a war of gods. In the Egyptian version, Seth divided Osiris and claimed his throne – or pole position – which put him into opposition to Horus, who joined (wed) his “mother” Isis. With the son of this marriage the entire process repeated itself – that is: the contrary R/P field and its intermediate viewpoint were doubled and turned into an eight-pole R/P dynamic which filled the Egyptian pantheon with numerous Horus variants.

The history of Egyptian ConsciousNess (or religion) demonstrates, that it was henceforth governed by attempts to restrain this division-multiplication process through a 9th pole (or god) –which might have been the first monopolistic (or monotheistic) attempt to transform the intermediate into an absolute viewpoint – in order to fix the pole positions and thus inhibit the creation of additional R/P fields and viewpoints.

It is not known if the priests realized that thereby they fixed the contraries too, or if they feared losing their prosperous pantheon-managements, when they exiled this so called “Aton” to (or with) the Israeli tribes, whom he henceforth ruled under the term JHVH. And it was the son (Jesus) of this (four-poled) contrary R/P field, whose (cross-shaped) coordinate got established in the Hellenic time/space, where it became a principal pattern for the formation of the Occident.

The R/P patterns of the Egyptians and the ancient Greeks were similar, except that the Greeks established four intermediary viewpoints and thus a contrary field within contrary fields, which brought about a R/P mode that was to become renown as rationalism (after the Latin ratio = calculation) and to give birth to the philosophers and geometricians who separated the fields and assigned one to psyche and one to soma (mind & matter), turning them into the cornerstones of the R/P mode of Dualism.

There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the Dualism that dominates the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)
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PostSubject: Re: Another view of Consciousness Another view of Consciousness EmptySun Mar 07, 2021 4:59 pm

An all that pertains to the living, and in no way applies to the non-living cosmos.
For example Nietzsche's use of the term "will" can only be a ascribed to poetic licence if not an underlying attachment to his own father's priestly beliefs, alluding to a comic intent. Will can only be applied within organic, living, contexts, because nothing wills but the one with needs - ergo one wills what one does not possess or is afraid of losing, i.e., uncertain about.
The circular nonsense of 'will to will' can be used to defend any absurdity, e.g., love loving, value valuing, and only indicates life's iterating processes. Superstitions, and simple motives, are often concealed in prose - see the Old & New Testament, or Nostradamus, or any Gypsy fortune teller.

Self-realization is another way of saying self-maintenance moving, intuitively, not intentionally, towards self-completion - the absolute ideal state. Completion is impossible....as there are no absolutes except in the mind where they are viable because they remain obscure and are often compartmentalized so as to not produce internal dissonance, i.e., madness.
Such a state - theoretical as it always remains - is an allusion to an end, i.e., death, state of not becoming but of final being, i.e., god.
A one-god is another way of saying the absolute final complete end - singularity that contradicts and negates multiplicity.
Most monotheistic traditions invert - claiming that the experienced world of fluctuating multiplicities is but illusory, concealing a singularity. this is due to the fact that the human brain cannot process anything other than binaries, unified by a singular idea.
So, even the concept of energies is unified into a singular concept.

This is a organic limitation, similar to how empathy is automatically divided into sympathy/antipathy, with sympathy being the unifying concept - i.e., love.
Jaynes explained how human development of self-cosnciuosness went through a period of confusing one's own inner voice with an alien spirit, birthing the concepts of spirits and gods, and finally a one-god, encompassing all into a singular ideal.

The "fixed point" is a description of a non-dynamic, ergo non-existent idea that can only be imagined - describes mystically and using obscurantist language so as to evade its absence.
Priestly psychologies have been selling that tripe for centuries, knowing that the organic mind is natural attracted to anything that promises certainty, and completeness, in a cosmos of fluctuating uncertainties.

I've also heard that monotheism can be traced back to Egypt, from where the Jews took it, and the Babylonians as well, to create their own versions - from where Christianity and Islam emerge as the next phase from polytheistic paganism towards monotheistic totalitarian, globalizing uniformity.

My wold-view is based on the Platonic conception of psyche; a triad, e.g., reason/will/pathos, corresponding to mind/nervous system/body - future/present/past.
Mind and Body often come in conflict, via the nervous system - from where art and linguistics are projected outward; also where mind body synthesizes.
In Christian contexts God(father)/Holy Spirit/Saviour (son) - the son, body, must be sacrificed - crucified - so as to be reborn as purified idea, and therefore saved from corporeal existence.

The conflict of mind/body is really a conflict between the idea/ideal (abstraction, noumenon) and the real (apparent, dynamic phenomenon). It is possible for an individual to have convictions based on ideals, its own body contradicts impulsively.

This triad also corresponds to spatial dimensions (possibilities/probabilities), movement/momentum, and time, as the measure of movement through possibilities/probabilities - what Heidegger called "thrownness". Mind awakening to its momentum and attempting to direct it - will.

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PostSubject: Re: Another view of Consciousness Another view of Consciousness EmptySun Mar 07, 2021 5:18 pm

What interest me is how memes reproduce and are transmitted - using the same methods as genetic reproduction and transmission.
The triad is not accidental. It represents an organic advancement attempting to maintain proximity with cosmological expansion/fragmentation.
An emergent consciousness of consciousness is the next stage, moving from subjectivity towards higher degrees of objectivity. This comes with a cost, exposing the organisms to new sources of anxiety/insecurity.
Plants are progression from non-living patterned/non-patterned interactions, i.e., reactive with a rudimentary form of consciousness and willfulness. Higher organisms develop a nervous system, making the emergence of consciousness possible, body/mind in perfect harmony; mind focusing the body's aggregate energies - this is when will becomes evident. in plants the non-living path-of-least-resistance is accompanied with intent - a willful movement towards an objective - most often a source of hydration and nutrition.
In higher life forms this willful intent can project itself further into space/time, until humans emerge where space/time can be usurped by noetic constructs, i.e., ideas/ideals, projected as imaginary objectives that do not exist in space/time outside human brains.

The absolute is an abstraction of a singularity - a complete whole, i.e., a perfect idea/ideal.
God is its artistic externalization, only made possible via semiotics. The mind project outwardly its own idealization of itself. So, the quality of self-awanres is a factor. Gods take on the forms of a people's psychology.

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PostSubject: Re: Another view of Consciousness Another view of Consciousness EmptyTue Mar 09, 2021 11:45 am

Every R/P system has particular Self-concepts and -realization methods.
They are usually based on what the ancient Greeks called: know thy self, made famous by Socrates who said “Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is learning to recollect”. That it made it barely beyond philosophical exercises, is probably because at around the same time they also established the ratio of Dualism, which subjects Knowledge to the feedback mechanism of the intellect.
In the Orient know thy self was obviously taken more seriously as it brought about many prominent investigators and innumerable teachers, schools and methods attending the varying temperaments and needs of the aspirants of Self-realization.
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"know thyself" is more than accurate recollection, it necessitates harsh objectivity.
To know and acknowledge and accept, is not for everyone.
The typical human only wants to know what is flattering and hopeful and self-aggrandizing...therefore few can accurately call themselves "philosophers" though many describe themselves as such.

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