Within the Penumbra

Why is the shadow so destructive? What is its purpose?

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Light casts shadows.
There are no shadows in the dark, or to the blind.

I didn't make it clear but I was talking in the Jungian sense. As in when the shadow comes to dominate the psyche.

Fenrir wrote:

I didn't make it clear but I was talking in the Jungian sense. As in when the shadow comes to dominate the psyche.

The shadow comes to dominate when it feels safe to expose itself.
Another factor is when mutations accumulate, because they've been protected from natural culling, they increasingly become irrepressible.

The ego cannot control them and they must expunge themselves somehow.
Dreams is one way, war is another...fetishism is a third.
But what if these unfit mutations become so strong that they can no longer be controlled?

"I realize now that everyone has a closet. We are all born out of sync with external expectations as we perceive them. In our own ways, none of us fits in," writes [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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Satyr wrote:

The ego cannot control them and they must expunge themselves somehow.
Dreams is one way, war is another...fetishism is a third.

Others might be extremist religion or politics? Drug addiction?

Satyr wrote:

But what if these unfit mutations become so strong that they can no longer be controlled?

'Reality' is broken, fragmented, leading to a breakdown of the psyche. A new organic order must be established to protect the ego.

The more intelligent/self-aware the individual the more complex this order will be... the shadow darkens.

Satyr wrote:

"I realize now that everyone has a closet. We are all born out of sync with external expectations as we perceive them. In our own ways, none of us fits in," writes [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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People hide their true natures behind convention and tradition... in some this may go to extremes, depending on the severity of the mutation.

Fenrir wrote:

'Reality' is broken, fragmented, leading to a breakdown of the psyche. A new organic order must be established to protect the ego.

Reality is neither fractured nor fragmented...it is fluid.
Men's subjective interpretation of reality becomes fractured and fragmented, like iamretarded continuously admit, when it confuses the interpretation for the interpreted - idea/ideal for the real - manifesting as mind/body dissonance, always as mind rejecting the body's presence/appearance.

I've called is socially induced schizophrenia. Transsexuality is but a symptom.
When an ideology is founded on a lie, it must double and triple down on the lie...until it goes insane.

Satry wrote:

Reality is neither fractured nor fragmented...it is fluid.

Hence the inverted commas.

Satyr wrote:

Men's subjective interpretation of reality becomes fractured and fragmented, like iamretarded continuously admit, when it confuses the interpretation for the interpreted - idea/ideal for the real - manifesting as mind/body dissonance, always as mind rejecting the body's presence/appearance.

The shadow is not an interpretation of reality. It's the socially unnaceptable impulses of the subconscious, thrown outwards onto the other. It becomes the blind spot of the psyche... the bit you cannot see. The persona is created from what's left...

Look at the images I posted again.

Satyr wrote:

I've called is socially induced schizophrenia. Transsexuality is but a symptom.
When an ideology is founded on a lie, it must double and triple down on the lie...until it goes insane.

The critical point comes when the ideology is challenged, and the mind is called into questioning its own reality. The more sophisticated the dogma, the greater the depth of delusion, the darker the shadow.

One can begin to discern the genesis of the shadow by what is antithetical to the persona.

Fenrir wrote:

The shadow is not an interpretation of reality.
it's the socially unnaceptable impulses of the subconscious,

Isn't this an immediate contradiction?
Is reality generally, socially acceptable, or unacceptable?
Would walking around naked, generally, be socially acceptable?

Fenrir wrote:

The shadow is not an interpretation of reality. It's the socially unnaceptable impulses of the subconscious, thrown outwards onto the other. It becomes the blind spot of the psyche... the bit you cannot see. The persona is created from what's left...

You sem to beleive that this "shadow" is wrong, or the product of misunderstanding.
What if it is the result of an innate understanding of what is permitted and what is punished?

Fenrir wrote:

The critical point comes when the ideology is challenged, and the mind is called into questioning its own reality. The more sophisticated the dogma, the greater the depth of delusion, the darker the shadow.

What if the dogma is delusional?
What if inversion has made the shadow the individual's identity and his true self the shadow he refuses to acknowledge?

Fenrir wrote:

One can begin to discern the genesis of the shadow by what is antithetical to the persona.

I don't use 'persona' in Jung's way.
I use 'character' as the public identity - the conscious self, and 'personae' as personality, as innate...or your 'shadow'.
I describe this innate personality as determined by the individual's particular organ hierarchies - how pronounced each organ is within the organism.
Meme, i.e., culture, determines how much of this, genetically determined personae, is tolerated and how much is punished and forced into hiding - character denying its existence.

We'll leave side the death drive contradicting the pleasure drive, by-product of emerging self-awarness.
Some people are born with an innate desire to cease to exist unable to endure who they are, relative to others - the cost of objectivity - and this becomes the shadow that haunts their every living moment.

AEon wrote:

Isn't this an immediate contradiction?
Is reality generally, socially acceptable, or unacceptable?
Would walking around naked, generally, be socially acceptable?

Who first determines what is acceptable behavior for the individual? How do individuals differ in their physical natures and therefore their responses/adaptations? Is the response determined by an emotional reaction or is it merely cerebral?

Satyr wrote:

You sem to beleive that this "shadow" is wrong, or the product of misunderstanding.
What if it is the result of an innate understanding of what is permitted and what is punished?

Is that how people are born, with an innate understanding of societies mores? The shadow is in Jung's words, "the thing a person has no wish to be". No misunderstanding... but what one is afraid of, fear being the primal emotion... and what one is taught to fear/reject, the socially unnaceptable.

Satyr wrote:

What if the dogma is delusional?
What if inversion has made the shadow the individual's identity and his true self the shadow he refuses to acknowledge?

The dogma is delusion, it is the rationalization that fabricates a false reality, it maintains the persona... its depth and complexity inversely related to the shadow's umbra. It keeps the shadow at bay... out of sight to the ego.

Satyr wrote:

I describe this innate personality as determined by the individual's particular organ hierarchies - how pronounced each organ is within the organism.

The human mind enjoys finding patterns, and is thus prone to cognitive bias. Certain patterns may support the delusion, whilst providing comfort to the individual that he is nothing like what he detests.

Satyr wrote:

Meme, i.e., culture, determines how much of this, genetically determined personae, is tolerated and how much is punished and forced into hiding - character denying its existence.

And hence what is rejected becomes part of Jung's shadow.

Satyr wrote:

We'll leave side the death drive contradicting the pleasure drive, by-product of emerging self-awarness.
Some people are born with an innate desire to cease to exist unable to endure who they are, relative to others - the cost of objectivity - and this becomes the shadow that haunts their every living moment.

No innate desire, but levels of sensitivity, challenged by impediments in the environment. Whether one submits or overcomes determines ones future life path and level of growth/success.

Fenrir wrote:

Satyr wrote:

You sem to beleive that this "shadow" is wrong, or the product of misunderstanding.
What if it is the result of an innate understanding of what is permitted and what is punished?

Is that how people are born, with an innate understanding of societies mores? The shadow is in Jung's words, "the thing a person has no wish to be". No misunderstanding... but what one is afraid of, fear being the primal emotion... and what one is taught to fear/reject, the socially unnaceptable.

A child gradually learns what is permitted and what is not.
The teenage years are particularly problematic because that's when a child realizes that it cannot be itself....
That bullshyte about 'being yourself' is a lie. Almost as a big a lie as the one that tells children that "they can be anything they put their mind to".
We all wear our public faces - characters we lay.
The personae is not entirely expressed, and most is not even acknowledge if it contradicts prevailing values and morals.
Shadow is there. the part of the personae we deny exists.

Fenrir wrote:

The dogma is delusion, it is the rationalization that fabricates a false reality, it maintains the persona... its depth and complexity inversely related to the shadow's umbra. It keeps the shadow at bay... out of sight to the ego.

Yes, if we use the Greek word for self, ego, to represent the lucid part of our identity - the Know in know thyself, then ego is the character we are forced to adopt - our social image - the performance of entire lifetime.
Denying parts of the personae is to protect the ego, and to allow its performance to become more efficient and, therefore, more effective.

I claim that nihilism is a form of self-defence, due to man's emerging self-awarness...and those cowardly liars that preach subjectivity are afraid of an objective assessment of themselves.

Fenrir wrote:

The human mind enjoys finding patterns, and is thus prone to cognitive bias. Certain patterns may support the delusion, whilst providing comfort to the individual that he is nothing like what he detests.

Yes...therefore if the objective is objectivity, then the individual continuously tests its judgements and finds errors in in them.
Probability is about the quantity and quality of patterns that can be integrated into a judgement.

Fenrir wrote:

And hence what is rejected becomes part of Jung's shadow.

Yes, and sometimes this rejection necessitates self-deceit.
The shadow cannot be denied...ti emerges in times of passion, or through dreams....and this is why I say that sexuality and fetishes are a hint into another's repressed self.

Fenrir wrote:

No innate desire, but levels of sensitivity, challenged by impediments in the environment. Whether one submits or overcomes determines ones future life path and level of growth/success.

An individuals' inherited potentials, its psychosomatic constitution determines how much objectivity he/she can endure, and this, in turn, determines how large the 'shadow' is.
This is what Know Thyself implies.

I would say sexual fetishes, and dreams, are indications of an individual's constitution and how much objectivity he/she can endure.
How much of himself herself he/she is able and willing to know.
And collective, conventional morals, ideals, values, are a part of it - manmade environment imposing limits on individual expression.

We see, here, the left's drive to loosen or destroy all limits so as to allow all repressed impulses to be expressed.
All forms of sexual dysfunction, perversion, fetishes, are now given permission - the right - to come "out of the closet" - shadows coming out into the light.
A symptom of systemic decline - empire decline, cultural decline.
This is also connected to intimacy and how much of it can destroy respect and love/lust, as respect is based on intimidation and female sexual love/lust necessitates a level of intimidation which, if lost, destroys female desire.