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PostSubject: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 4:51 am

Determinism is the 'Secular' version of Abrahamic indoctrination.

Instead of "God" determining the Abrahamic adherent, Christian, Jew, Moslem, Westerner, etc. instead it is "The Universe". Instead of Priests commanding and guiding their perish flocks of humanity, it is Scientific "Experts" and political-media pundits. Instead of "The Word" compelling humanity, it is "Causality". Yet these Post-Abrahamic Secularists cannot defend their reasoning or their rationale. They don't know what "The Universe" is. They don't know what their scientific "Experts" actually say or claim. And they don't know what 'Causes' what, why, or how.

I challenged them on a car accident between a drunk driver and a van full of children. What "Caused" the accident?

Here is where I analyzed and understood their mentality. The average Abrahamic Prole, Secularist, "Humanist", is not fit to judge what Causes what. The smarter ones, above-average intelligence, may have suspicions about 'The Cause' but he won't admit to it publicly because he would out himself from among the crowd. This is too dangerous. So the obnoxious midwits and nitwits tend to answer, on behalf of their Experts. 'The Environment' is to cause. 'Nurture' is to cause. Or, their favored response, it was 'Random'. There was no identifiable cause.

They are unfit to judge and thus defer their personal authority and reasoning to their Legal Representatives. It's up to the local Judge to... Judge the matter. Thus one must be a Judge, a governmental Authority, a scientific "Expert", before you have any legitimate say in the matter of the Cause. You cannot be a normal person, with common sense. You cannot say, "the drunk driver is responsible for his behavior", because this implies that humans are causal agents. This is a social taboo. It implies individual autonomy and choice-capability, which the Post-Abrahamic-Secularists wish to destroy.

Because they wish to destroy this Autonomy within themselves.


Autonomy is a constant reminder, a nagging premonition, that the Prole has been dominated at some point in his/her life. Most are too far gone to even remember their buck-breaking. Their minds are bent, and "educated", that Agency is impossible. They have no Agency. In Centuries past, the Proper-Abrahamics, through a Priest in a Church, would sublimate his flock's agency as Subservient and under Dominion of God. Because this process has been secularized, there is no reasonable or rational explanation the Secularist Prole can give as to his/her loss of Agency. Rather the entire matter is relegated to Political Incorrectness.

The above-average 'know' intuitively that some individuals are responsible, and should be held accountable, for Crimes and Victimization. The problem is that these matters became abstracted to a social, national, and then globalist level.

This allows a random black thug in Detroit to crush an elderly white man or woman's skull walking on the street—and it's not his fault! Why is it not his fault? This is where the Prole will defend the black thug with his indoctrinated propaganda verbatim. He's a good boy. He din't do nuffin!


The larger matter here is to imply that a black thug has Agency, a drunk driver has Agency, and any Prole has Agency. In all of these matters, each person reacts according to his/her own conception and idealization of Agency. Thus this differentiates people by: Race, Sex, Age, IQ, Ability, Etc. and any other high-cognitive functions. The result is: some (very rare) individuals seem to have a lot of Agency ...while the masses have very little. This can be transcribed to: some (very rare) individuals have a lot of Causality ...while the masses have very little.

Thus a Prole cannot really "Cause" anything to be. Because s/he has been stripped of Agency, and demonized to deny any trace of ever having any. Because she believes she has none—she accuses all others around her of having none as well. Most will agree with her; because most others are Proles. The above-average ones are 'hiding' within the crowd, who have not given-up completely on the Ideal of self-agency and self-locomotion. These rarer ones maintain, what they call "romantic delusion", that they too can gain self-agency and self-locomotion ...if the System allows them. If they become a scientific "Expert". If they become a Politician. If they become a legal Judge. Etc.

They believe they can 'win back' their Agency with proper loyalty and subversion, by remaining true to the System that deprived them of it from the beginning. They are wrong here, fundamentally. Because this is not a type of Agency they can get back.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 4:59 am

Determined by What?

Determined by Whom?

The cowardly 'Determinists' cannot answer.  Because if they do, and answer thusly "Determined by me, by my own Agency of course!" then they out themselves apart from their Proles.  This is where the Proles will turn-on him, as an act of betrayal.  Your society will turn against you.  Your employer.  Your friends.  Even your family.  Because to be 'Self-Determined' is not a moral virtue in the West, but a Sin of the worst degree.  You would indicate by it, that you are a Rebel against the system and structure of Morality posed by the West, which it backs with force and deadly violence.

You are not 'allowed' to have certain beliefs.  Agency is at the core of these 'certain beliefs'.  Your agency cannot be apart from—Americanization, Globalization, Secularization, Western Neo-Liberalism, etc.

You are not 'allowed' to stand-alone.

You are not allowed to be 'self-determined'.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 5:08 am

The Western Proletariat, Post-Abrahamic Secularists... the rarer ones of these bunch who have not given up Hope and Faith in their own autonomy... are waiting for a Savior to return to them. This is specifically the part of the Western Prole that outs and identifies them as genetically Abrahamic. They're waiting for Lord Christ's return, essentially. Why? Because they need somebody to "show them the way". If one Prole resists and claims self-autonomy, then he is jumped on by the hordes and crushed. So it takes a lot of strength and dexterity to maneuver oneself away from the retaliation of the masses. Those who can, are not necessarily 'public', because public demonstrations of this "mystical power" are too risky. Why risk "unveiling your power levels" when you don't have to, or especially, when you shouldn't? When it's not worth it?

The only good that would come of public displays of self-autonomy, must be under the condition that it would, hypothetically 'free' some of the minds of the masses. The problem with this, is that beyond a certain age (~24), there's no real hope in freeing a mind. S/He is obliterated and cannot be freed. From what I've seen personally, you can pull away one of the above-average from the masses for a short time, but they immediately relapse. They immediately start repeating their indoctrinated defense system. Because the slavery of the Prole, it feels secure within it. They have no real taste of 'freedom'. They have no real drive, nor lust, nor desire for it. They have no value in freedom (freedom of thought, Philosophy).

Freedom is antithetical to the "Security" offered by the System.


Therefore the masses will continue waiting for the 'Savior' to come.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 5:32 am

Consider what being "Pro-Choice" in the West means...

...it means slaughtering your unborn child.

It means child-sacrifice.

It means blood-sacrifice.


Is it not interesting how the Marxists, cohencidentally set this up? That for you to support "Choice", means that you are for abortion and death of the innocent?

This logical inversion is very clever. It inverts those who would be self-determined (Conservative) versus those who impose slavery upon others (Liberal). And these labels used to be switched, Conservative-Liberal, Liberal-Conservative, only one Century ago. It doesn't take the Marxists long to sneak and snake their way into foreign societies, into the colleges, into the public schools, and then into your children's classroom. At least the Fundamentalist Christians: Mormons, Amish, Baptists, had some forms of resistance, before they "Separated Church and State", dividing and conquering, removing Christianity from Western Education and public schooling systems.

It allowed them full, unfettered access to the children.


Christianity, for all its faults, at least maintained some resistance, some blockage, against full-scale Marxism and culture rot. Although these hurdles were surpassed and overcome decades ago.

Now to be "Pro-Choice" means murdering your own kin.




...how Abrahamic of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 6:56 am

What are Abrahamics and Post-Abrahamics "Determined" by exactly?

These are humans, most humans, who derive their spirituality and self-worth by following instructions from God.  This is the core root of their 'Determinism' and determinations.  Why must they not sleep with each other's wives?  Why must they not steal from each other?  Why must they not murder each other?  Is it because these are socially self-destructive behaviors which disrupt tribal unity?  No!  It is because "God said so".  In fact, everything is because "God said so".  God determines what is True, Righteous, Good.  It is not your own volition.  It is not your own judgment.

These are "God's Chosen" because of how loyal and subservient they are to God's Command.  This is the source of Abrahamic and 'Determinist' Pride.  They follow commands wholly and unquestioningly.  There is no 'inner' mental resistance.  There is no hesitation.  There is only blind-faith.  There is only religious zealotry and adherence.

And when God "fails" them?  Why hast Thou forsaken me?!  It is because they didn't follow instructions hard enough.


Compare the Late Abrahamics with their Secularist Golems and Protestant-Puritan Slaves.  Why are people failing today?  Why is there Inequality?  Again, because the masses of Earth are not adhering to the Postmodern indoctrination hard enough.  It's always the same excuse.  They demand blind adherence to religious/secular (same thing) indoctrination.  There is no "underlying reason" or "cause" for their Ethical system, its effects and consequences. There is only Divine Command.

From whom? Who is the 'Determiner'? If not God (Abrahamics) then from "The Universe" or "The State" or only approved authorities "The Experts" (Secularists).
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PostSubject: Re: Anti-Determinism Anti-Determinism EmptySat May 20, 2023 7:05 am

I think the main Proof against the Determinists are these recent 10-20 years on online philosophy forums.

On one hand, the Secularists go batshit crazy over "Cause" and Causality. They claim to care about it the most. So you poke and prod them, taunt and cajole, antagonize and berate... and they still balk when it comes to WHY and HOW people, and animals, behave as they do. They cannot explain basic causes. They know how devastating the logical conclusions are. If you prove to them Morality inherent in Mammals, Avians, Insects, Etc. then they will default to "trust the Experts". You will need prove to them your Scientific-Academic credentials. Even then, they will only half-listen.

They will not -ever- allow these demonstrations against their ideology to filter over onto... Race, Biology, Gender, IQ, and how all these disrupt, contradict, and overturn their stated beliefs. The above-average among them, detect their own hypocrisy, but don't have solutions. This is why they are quick to default to Absolutism. Unless you are "God-Himself", then you cannot know for Certain, therefore you are ruled-out. They demand the Impossible, to defend their moral and philosophical failures.

They cannot adhere to the logic to its conclusion. Because it repeatedly identifies, isolates, and highlights their underlying religious and spiritual beliefs.

They believe in being Commanded, from Authorities, and that's it.


That's the extent of their "Determinism". They are Determined, by Determiners, who they cannot Name, and cannot Understand.
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