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PostSubject: The Narrative Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:07 am

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Interesting.

There is, incidentally, a black mayor of Portlaoise. We're very modern in Ireland.

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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:13 pm

Anybody know where 'Joker' is from ILP?

He was very learned about Cultural Metanarrative.

He knows more about this subject than Apaosha, the resident Irish Jig dancer…


I would enjoy a discussion with Joker about it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:33 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:46 am

This doesn't fit the narrative:

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Friedrich Nietzsche wrote:
XXIX. THE TARANTULAS.

Lo, this is the tarantula's den! Wouldst thou see the tarantula itself? Here hangeth its web: touch this, so that it may tremble.

There cometh the tarantula willingly: Welcome, tarantula! Black on thy back is thy triangle and symbol; and I know also what is in thy soul.

Revenge is in thy soul: wherever thou bitest, there ariseth black scab; with revenge, thy poison maketh the soul giddy!

Thus do I speak unto you in parable, ye who make the soul giddy, ye preachers of EQUALITY! Tarantulas are ye unto me, and secretly revengeful ones!

But I will soon bring your hiding-places to the light: therefore do I laugh in your face my laughter of the height.

Therefore do I tear at your web, that your rage may lure you out of your den of lies, and that your revenge may leap forth from behind your word "justice."

Because, FOR MAN TO BE REDEEMED FROM REVENGE—that is for me the bridge to the highest hope, and a rainbow after long storms.

Otherwise, however, would the tarantulas have it. "Let it be very justice for the world to become full of the storms of our vengeance"—thus do they talk to one another.

"Vengeance will we use, and insult, against all who are not like us"—thus do the tarantula-hearts pledge themselves.

"And 'Will to Equality'—that itself shall henceforth be the name of virtue; and against all that hath power will we raise an outcry!"

Ye preachers of equality, the tyrant-frenzy of impotence crieth thus in you for "equality": your most secret tyrant-longings disguise themselves thus in virtue-words!

Fretted conceit and suppressed envy—perhaps your fathers' conceit and envy: in you break they forth as flame and frenzy of vengeance.

What the father hath hid cometh out in the son; and oft have I found in the son the father's revealed secret.

Inspired ones they resemble: but it is not the heart that inspireth them—but vengeance. And when they become subtle and cold, it is not spirit, but envy, that maketh them so.

Their jealousy leadeth them also into thinkers' paths; and this is the sign of their jealousy—they always go too far: so that their fatigue hath at last to go to sleep on the snow.

In all their lamentations soundeth vengeance, in all their eulogies is maleficence; and being judge seemeth to them bliss.

But thus do I counsel you, my friends: distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!

They are people of bad race and lineage; out of their countenances peer the hangman and the sleuth-hound.

Distrust all those who talk much of their justice! Verily, in their souls not only honey is lacking.

And when they call themselves "the good and just," forget not, that for them to be Pharisees, nothing is lacking but—power!

My friends, I will not be mixed up and confounded with others.

There are those who preach my doctrine of life, and are at the same time preachers of equality, and tarantulas.

That they speak in favour of life, though they sit in their den, these poison-spiders, and withdrawn from life—is because they would thereby do injury.

To those would they thereby do injury who have power at present: for with those the preaching of death is still most at home.

Were it otherwise, then would the tarantulas teach otherwise: and they themselves were formerly the best world-maligners and heretic-burners.

With these preachers of equality will I not be mixed up and confounded. For thus speaketh justice UNTO ME: "Men are not equal."

And neither shall they become so! What would be my love to the Superman, if I spake otherwise?

On a thousand bridges and piers shall they throng to the future, and always shall there be more war and inequality among them: thus doth my great love make me speak!

Inventors of figures and phantoms shall they be in their hostilities; and with those figures and phantoms shall they yet fight with each other the supreme fight!

Good and evil, and rich and poor, and high and low, and all names of values: weapons shall they be, and sounding signs, that life must again and again surpass itself!

Aloft will it build itself with columns and stairs—life itself: into remote distances would it gaze, and out towards blissful beauties— THEREFORE doth it require elevation!

And because it requireth elevation, therefore doth it require steps, and variance of steps and climbers! To rise striveth life, and in rising to surpass itself.

And just behold, my friends! Here where the tarantula's den is, riseth aloft an ancient temple's ruins—just behold it with enlightened eyes!

Verily, he who here towered aloft his thoughts in stone, knew as well as the wisest ones about the secret of life!

That there is struggle and inequality even in beauty, and war for power and supremacy: that doth he here teach us in the plainest parable.

How divinely do vault and arch here contrast in the struggle: how with light and shade they strive against each other, the divinely striving ones.—

Thus, steadfast and beautiful, let us also be enemies, my friends! Divinely will we strive AGAINST one another!—

Alas! There hath the tarantula bit me myself, mine old enemy! Divinely steadfast and beautiful, it hath bit me on the finger!

"Punishment must there be, and justice"—so thinketh it: "not gratuitously shall he here sing songs in honour of enmity!"

Yea, it hath revenged itself! And alas! now will it make my soul also dizzy with revenge!

That I may NOT turn dizzy, however, bind me fast, my friends, to this pillar! Rather will I be a pillar-saint than a whirl of vengeance!

Verily, no cyclone or whirlwind is Zarathustra: and if he be a dancer, he is not at all a tarantula-dancer!—

Thus spake Zarathustra.
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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:52 am

Ayn Rand wrote:
“Equality,” in a human context, is a political term: it means equality before the law, the equality of fundamental, inalienable rights which every man possesses by virtue of his birth as a human being, and which may not be infringed or abrogated by man-made institutions, .... with special privileges granted to some and denied to others. The rise of capitalism swept away all castes, including the institutions of aristocracy and of slavery or serfdom.

But this is not the meaning that the altruists ascribe to the word “equality.”

They turn the word into an anti-concept: they use it to mean, not political, but metaphysical equality—the equality of personal attributes and virtues, regardless of natural endowment or individual choice, performance and character. It is not man-made institutions, but nature, i.e., reality, that they propose to fight.....

Since nature does not endow all men with equal beauty or equal intelligence, and the faculty of volition leads men to make different choices, the egalitarians propose to abolish the “unfairness” of nature and of volition, and to establish universal equality in fact—in defiance of facts. Since personal attributes or virtues cannot be “redistributed,” they seek to deprive men of their consequences—of the rewards, the benefits, the achievements created by personal attributes and virtues. It is not equality before the law that they seek, but inequality: the establishment of an inverted social pyramid, with a new aristocracy on top—the aristocracy of non-value.

From "The Age of Envy"
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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:16 pm

Envy and revenge.
It would seem that the disguises of justice or of altruism hint at the underlying ressentiment against the superior. That the urge to force equality is in fact an urge to chain and cripple what is envied..... in order to make a small life more bearable to the one living it.

We do not grow by indulging eachother, but by opposing eachother, conflicting with eachother; thereby those who can grow - are selected.

So perhaps the attraction to an ideal of equality can be seen in the potential it offers to the inferior to excuse their own failings and project their anger upon those who have surpassed them. Like when certain children get labeled as bullies when they are mentally or physically superior to their peers.
It is the very fact of possessing an inequality in a particular field and exercising that inequality thereby showing up your peers that excites this sense of injustice and provokes intervention designed to promote something called justice or fairness.
The presumption is that justice or fairness do or should exist in the world and it is this which leads to the final error here.
I am not entirely sure whether this behaviour is based upon deriving a virtue from sparing the feelings of the inadequate, pity or compassion, or a more pragmatic decision to create a homogenous unity to which all identify, by breaking down barriers between individuals or groups such as gender, race, etc. - a form of domestication through leveling.
But why not value excellence and accomplishment? Why instead rail against and attempt to limit what flies high or sinks low in order to artificially enforce parity on the disparate?
Why leveling? Why is equality valuable? Why is it that the smaller cannot look on the greater and accept their relative smallness as what and who they are?
Must all that is great be shamed so that cowards and mental deficients no longer feel inferior?

But because of this attraction it is an ideology that can also be marketed. Therefore can the disaffected, the maladjusted, the downtrodden find ways to justify their place in the world and vilify those they call their persecutors. Think about the christians in ancient Rome. Now they call themselves secular humanists, liberals, or progressives.

The same cult reimagined and reinvented for a new era.
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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:05 pm

Is the bold part of the Ayn Rand quote?

The decline has picked up speed.
This "economic crisis" is the perfect opportunity to drastically cut what was given to the middle-class during the Cold War...the middle-class itself is mostly the creation of the Cold War.
It was made up of scholars and doctors and lawyers and artists when the materialistic elite was still in the open.

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I'm trying to think of how the Judeo-Christian dogma morphed into secular humanism and progressiveness and what we call liberalism.

So far I can think of these links:

The connection between Judeo-Christianity and Secular Humanism, minus the God element:

1-The idea of immaculate conception.
The secular humanist still holds onto the idea of 'something from nothing'.
This is why in his warped mind humanity lacks a nature, since nature implies a continuum of inherited traits.

Man is born void of any predispositions and it is man himself who conjures up greed and sex and selfishness out of thin air.
It's not that these traits preexisted, were products of natural selection and are then inhibited or promoted within cultural and social contexts, but they are non-existent....man pulls them out of his arse.....like a magic trick.
So gender is a total human invention.
Heterosexuality, as well.

People learn to be heterosexual.
It's not that people learn that social limitations of this sexual role, or acquire the cultural symbols to express it, but heterosexuality is a human invention.

2-The idea that man, and as a result nature, is evil.
It is man who brings vileness and violence and greed, and rape and discrimination into the world.
He is bad and must make amends for it.

this imposition of shame and guilt upon man for being man, is directly linked to Judeo-Christian servility.

3- The idea of paradise, morphing into a Utopia.
This idea shows a disdain for the world, wanting to heal it, or escape it into a "better" reality.
In the religion version, Paradise exists somewhere beyond and one must die to get there.
When it morphs into the secular version this Utopia exists somewhere in the future.

In both versions the ideal world is characterized by the absence of suffering, strife, the seven deadly sins, but retains consciousness and vigor.

4- The idea of universal equality.
All are equal under God, if the individual offers the proper respect and accepts God into his heart and in the secular form all are equal under the law if the individual shows the proper respect for the state or the institution.

Of course in the Jewish faith there is no uniform as they are the "chosen people", but this was later corrected with Christianity which opened the gates for all to be included, no mater their sex, race, creed, heritage. Their commonality was their unified submission to the common authority.
In both cases the only form of distinction was in reference to servitude and loyalty to the authority. In the religion it was the pious man that was more holy than the average man, and in the system it is the good citizen who distinguishes himself from the average man.

In both cases salvation is possible if the individual makes the proper amends, submits the the one authority, works for its betterment and expansion (does the Lord's good work), and remains docile and tolerant and submissive towards it for a lifetime.

5- The idea that all deserve love and respect, just for being born.
In the religious dogma love is a universal quality all deserve, and only do not get if they push it away.
In the secular form it is all who have rights and deserve respect and consideration and also love.

Love becomes prostitute and it is denied to a man only if he does not display the proper thankfulness and humility.
In both cases it is never applied, but remains theoretical.

The individuals purporting to be Christian or humanitarians still exhibit the natural discrimination instincts.
They are blind to appearances, yet always choose the most attractive. They think all deserve love and that love and sex are wonderful, with no domination symbolism and no aggression involved, but they never screw a bum and when they are given love and sex by force they refer to it as "rape", feeling violated and hurt afterward.

6- The idea that man deserves and can attain immortality.
In both the religious and the secular form this immortality is attainable via another Will, or an otherness.

In the religion this otherness is God; in the secular ideology this abstraction is the state, or the nation, or the idea of Man....the ideal Man.

7- The idea that nature is bad, and the idealized cleansed, the Platonic idea of nature is worshiped.
In the religion nature is ruined by man's curiosity. He is cast out of pure nature and he ruins it for himself.
In the secular form man ruins nature with his meddling, with his curiosity.

In both cases man can return to this authentic past by making the proper amends and offering the proper sacrifices.

Then man can go back to living in a world with no violence, no hunger, no greed, no selfishness, no gender, no ego.

8- The idea that ego and pride are evil.
In this case the self, the ego, and anything associated with it and its self-sufficiency, is slandered so as to make it possible for the many to be as one. The many selves united into one Self (God) within which the many selves lose all relevance, are expendable and indistinguishable.

9- The idea that the world, reality, is fake, an illusion (borrowed from the east) and an intermediate stage before the more real reality or the better, perfect, world is finally reached.


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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:46 am

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Is the bold part of the Ayn Rand quote?

Yes.

Rand is very valuable when it comes to the subject of altruism and equality.

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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:49 pm

apaosha wrote:

Yes.

Rand is very valuable when it comes to the subject of altruism and equality.
I forgot about her.

Rand,Ayn wrote:
Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be earned.
Bitch had balls.

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PostSubject: Re: The Narrative Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:30 pm

Purple Dragon wrote:
Anybody know where 'Joker' is from ILP?

He was very learned about Cultural Metanarrative.

He knows more about this subject than Apaosha, the resident Irish Jig dancer…


I would enjoy a discussion with Joker about it.

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