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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:47 am

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Are they truly White and European in that case?
Just because a man has no future, and his genes will not be reseeded back into his own kind, does not erase his past.

Why would you even think that?
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:56 am

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Just because a man has no future, and his genes will not be reseeded back into his own kind, does not erase his past.

Why would you even think that?

Because we are more than the weapons we create.

The past is not sustained by words alone.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:09 am

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More later.....
All females on the planet already choose the alpha male abstraction as their ideal mate and highest sexual attraction.

The vast majority of males never can nor will live up to average women's standards of what a man "should be", according to her, along with her demands. And what does the average woman want? What is a female's definition of a "real man"? Most of the time, she says she wants a "nice guy". She claims to hate "racists, sexists, and chauvinists". She says one thing, but her body and actions do something completely opposite. She keeps getting fucked by the "bad boys". She loses her virginity to him, to the alpha male. She keeps coming back, to him, even after she is slapped around a little bit. She "settles" for a nice, beta male relationship, her second choice, or last choice. She enjoys the security and comfort. She's not really or truly attracted to her beta male, submissive, weak boyfriend. The sex is "boring". But she does it anyway.

Average males are confused by this behavior, of women saying one thing, but doing the opposite. Instead, look at the larger picture. Females only desire sexual intimacy with the alpha male abstraction. Understand that 99% of males are only beta males, subservient to society, state, or church. How many males, ever, truly resist the whole of humanity, and all social institutions? How many males are truly independent, individualistic, or non reliant upon social conveniences? Are any, at all?


No, going against society, state, or church, will earn you a series of identities.

The first is the title of "Stranger", a social deviant, untrustworthy.
The second is the title of "Criminal", a danger to society, one who disobeys.
The third is the title of "Terrorist", a most dangerous threat of all, and most feared.


The average male, man, and father of humanity is not an alpha male, but instead, a beta male. He was "allowed" to reproduce, by the wife. He is her cuckold. She controls him. And she obeys the alpha male abstraction. Males only retain roles of subservience and slavery within the confines of society. A "Master" within society, still serves higher powers (up to "God" in the church-state). It's only outside all societies, civilization, and humanity that gender roles can be reversed.

Because there is no such thing as "Rape" in nature, in the wild, outside the walls of civilization. There is only power, to control women directly, or the violence required to defend women as personal property.

As humanity "Progresses" deeper and deeper into a future of global human civilization, the past becomes more and more forgotten, harder to remember and recall. Eventually, someday in the distant future, new generations of humanity will know nothing of all about "nature", "the wild", "rape", etc. These will all be done away with. They will be long-distant memories of a forgotten time. Because all will be regulated, carefully monitored, restricted.

To understand the future of humanity, look at the Old World. Look at Saudi Arabia. Look at the abrahamic religion. Look at the religious wars. Look at their rules and laws. Look at china and its homogeneity. These are the eventual futures for New World nations. The past, almost always, indicates the immediate future. Because gravity never changes. It remains constant. It doesn't change. It's not random. It is consistent. So too are the most dominant and common patterns of human behaviors.

The slave populations of humanity are predictable, not chaotic. They are pre-ordered. Pre-programmed. Pre-determined.


And the nature of this slavery, is humanity's relationship with the alpha male abstraction. Using christian terms, this is reinterpreted as, subservience to "God". Western liberals rename god as "Nature". And instead say subservience to "Nature", thereby inverting the terms and their concepts. Like exchanging male for female, playing with the concepts. But, objectively, this does nothing. It does not change, nor affect reality.

A rose by another name, still smells as sweet,
A god by another name, still smells as rotten.


Because the rebellious nature of males can be, and is predicted, men all around the world can be enslaved by simple means. Make a huge maze, filled with lies, for average humans to navigate through. This is society and civilization. It is a huge maze, for males to get lost in. The average human male thinks he is being rebellious by attacking demons, fantasies, invisible monsters, dragons, and terrorists. Instead, he is shooting and striking at phantoms, that don't exist outside his mind.

Cripple the mind of a child and you enslave him or her forever.


This is how the alpha male abstraction works. It begins with infants and children at the earliest age.

In fact, it occurs *BEFORE* the children are even born. It begins when women open and close their legs, to some males, who gain their (socially sanctioned) "approval", and others had not. This is the key to understanding the relationship between genetics and society.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:23 pm

Blue eyed pale skin blondies

The closer a male is to sexual access to the most beautiful types of women in the world, the closer he also comes to the alpha male abstraction. Beauty is hoarded, like gold and material wealth, by the most ardent defenders (betas) of all systems. The closer you come to god, the more beta males and beautiful females will resist the incursion of foreign and rebellious males. Because the alpha male abstract suffers no challenges, and will destroy all those imposing disputes. The alpha male abstraction is not up for debate. It cannot be reasoned with, beyond a certain level. Challenging the alpha male abstraction, leads to war, murder, and death.

It can lead to, and has led to, world war.

Beautiful women are the most obvious indications of the alpha male abstraction. They will, absolutely refuse to grant sexual access to "socially deviant" males. Outsiders are not welcome. And women represent the first wall of any "Society".

This dynamic causes the male-female disparity and true "gender difference". Male violence, in particular, is first held at distance from the interior of societies.

Why else would spree-shooters and moslem suicide bombers, both be considered 'terrorists' of the highest magnitude? Because their crimes are most severe. They are guilty of bringing violence back within the interior of society. They will be most rejected and shunned by females. There is a direct causal link between female sexual rejection, terrorism, spree-shooters, and suicide bombers. Males who are so desperate, and hopeless, without faith or culture, innately know that their lives will be empty, nothings, and slavish. They are slaves, and in seeing their future, choose to "go out with a bang" rather than drudge on to a foreseen end.

At the very least, they are honest and see truth. The average male, also despicable like the terrorist, is less intelligent. If average males were as capable as 'terrorists' to foresee the nature of their slavery, and the restriction of their masculinity (emasculation), then they would as well commit terrorizing actions, or also, go to war.

The soldier, however, is also low intelligence, and is rather tricked into going into war, not of his own true volition nor willpower.

The warrior archetype, is more aware of natural conditions, and welcomes war. This distinction sets apart "soldiers" (slaves) from warriors, who consciously know, choose, and favor war. A man's life left upon the battlefield is far more pleasing for the warrior, than a lifetime inside civilization's walls, which he intuitively knows, is a prison.

The human zoo.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:46 pm

You, are a typical r-selected type.
Whores are what you know, and what you deserve.
The moment you open your mind, the advanced female closes hers, and with it her legs.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:01 am

You need to sharpen up your dull attacks, moron.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:54 am



Quantity over Quality.

The remarkable part is not the tactic itself, a smaller male camouflaging as a female to get the job done, but the success of this tactic is what is amazing.
The theory is that the female samples different genes, to deal with changing environmental conditions, and what the lower genes lack in quality they make up with quantities.
The female mate with the dominant male, with high quality genes, but she mates MORE with low quality males, compensating for their low quality with numbers.

We can now understand human female sexual choices.
She will sample a variety of genes, only in environments with low risks, and resource abundance, compensating for the low quality with quantities.
In high risk, low resource environments, natural ones for carnivores and omnivores, the strategy is one of focused investment.
The female cannot risk multiple investments with untested genes, and her dependence on her mate for safety and food, forces her to curb her natural promiscuity.

In high resource available environments with chaotic circumstances (low order, more possibilities), promiscuity is a hedging of one's genetic bets.
This is our Modern world.
In these artificially produced and maintained circumstances a high investment is a waste. The female will opt for low quality high quantity, hoping one, or more, will survive the chaos.
In this environment a specimen like Aeon has a chance, if he does not display obvious markers of being totally unfit, unable to perform a simple ritual of seduction, but uses an aggressive " you want to fuck me, do not deny it!!", threats, blackmail method(very noble and masculine, by the way).
A more subtle Zoot alluring methoid will increase the probability of a mating occurring.




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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:00 am

With very discriminating females, such as human ones, where the time/space considerations go beyond the immediate, such as pleasure and short-term perceptual-event-horizon projections, the superior/inferior shifts upward, in relation to the female's quality.

An superior male, for a lower female, will be inferior for this higher female.

The female gauges quality using the male's performance.
If the quality of his mind is in question, as it is for females over the average, then his ability to seduce her, his talent with words, his mind's flexibility, displayed in his ability to understand and produce patterns (ideas) is evaluated.
The brutish method will not work, because it exposes a rigid, dull mind, unable to adapt to the female's subtle cues.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:37 pm

Average women are not difficult for me. And the "higher quality" women don't exist, to me. I know because I've looked. What I consider higher quality is determined by her mind and intelligence, and if it is in some way linked or similar with genius. But a woman's mentality and brain is not a man's. And her intelligence (Quality) manifests in different ways and methods than men's.

Beauty is enough, even if she's stupid. Females do not rely on intelligence or strength, but instead beauty. This fact is the missing puzzle piece. If women are, necessarily as shallow as their looks, then speaking of "higher and lower quality" females is only a matter of superficial beauty, not a strength of mind. And even the more intelligent women of the world not have a "strength of mind" comparable to men.

A third factor, other than beauty and intelligence, is courage and cowardice. Like all traits, great beauty, great intelligence, great strength....great courage is another rarity. What is considered "high quality and abundant" traits of women, with the exception of beauty, is not comparable to men.

A female's beauty is her trump card, her ace up the sleeve, her consolation, her backup. She can always rely on herself as merely a body, a vessel, an empty soul, for men.

Thus the genders will never match the same needs, leading to the difference of species by gender.


Satyr, you have a lot to learn yet, fool.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:39 pm

You keep at it boy.
It's a pleasure to watch.

I'm learning a lot.


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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:44 pm

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are no "higher quality" women because they aren't choosing him as a mate.

You are what you eat.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:46 pm

Here is the fact glossed over continuously for years.

All the talk is about female mate selection, never male selection. Choice is regarded as feminine, sexually. Only females "Choose" mates. And while this is true to the degree of progeny and raising children, it is less true with the sexual selection process. Males must also Choose. Males must also make Choices.

Once this factor is considered, then a more complete vision of humanity and sexual relationships will be seen.

All Satyr does is obsess about the female half of the equation, but not the male half. He doesn't investigate the discrimination process of males, about the laws and regulations of systems, of state or church, and how females are (always) "owned" beforehand, a priori. Females are property, except from the perspective of women and feminists, who retort against this with accusations of "oppressive objectification".

As if males were not objects, too? As if being an object is evil, or good?
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:48 pm

Arditezza wrote:
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are no "higher quality" women because they aren't choosing him as a mate.

You are what you eat.
You are simple-minded and stupid, of course.

I don't necessarily consider myself a high quality male or mate. Maybe yes, maybe not.

A basic ability of philosophy is to suspend all premises and produce thought-experiments. Even if I were a low-quality mate, then so what? That doesn't make me wrong.


Try again, princess.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:49 pm

We show interest for what is unknown, alien to is.
I know the male....inside out.

Feminine energy I feel in me, and want to understand it more.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:50 pm

It merely exposés your incapacity to recognize and value higher quality.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Æon wrote:
All Satyr does is obsess about the female half of the equation, but not the male half.

Follow the waterhole, and you'll reach the herd… is what he said just as recent as y'day I think…

Then again, thinking was never your strong point.


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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:51 pm

Adam seduction techniques include insulting females until they surrender, telling them they want him, even though they've shown no interest, pretending to not be interested in their looks after he's demanded they expose themselves to him...and so on.

He's...complex.
Only someone a higher female can truly appreciate....alas, nobody has, ergo no such female exists.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:52 pm

"Know Thyself"

Both the male and female must be known.

There is no monopoly on the concept of "Choice". Humans, men and women, either have it or they do not. They are either capable of moral responsibility (Authority), or they are not. Would choice be a matter of luck? A mere illusion? A pathological delusion? A perception of power? Who is capable of choice and to what degrees, by which factors?

Choice is linked with higher intelligence, greater amounts of possibilities.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:54 pm

Apostolakos,

Neither you nor others know about my personal relations, but you are welcome to further conjecture.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:54 pm

Tell me...how much do you know yourself when you threaten, you attack, and you pretend something does not exist because it has not loved you?

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:55 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
It merely exposés your incapacity to recognize and value higher quality.
Higher quality discerned, discriminated, and judged by whom?

By whose authority, is a woman beautiful or ugly?

Or isn't it obvious that males decide for ourselves?
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:59 pm

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Apostolakos,

Neither you nor others know about my personal relations, but you are welcome to further conjecture.
Poor Adam....you display all anyone needs to know here, boy.

The presence exposes the past....appearance exposes nature.
Your technique in seduction does not only tell me all I need to know about your Neeeed, but also about your experiences.
I remember you with Natalie.

You blackmail, on ILP, as a ploy to get what you want from them...that is so noble of you.
You are so stupid that you do it openly, in public.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:00 pm

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It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are no "higher quality" women because they aren't choosing him as a mate.

You are what you eat.
You are simple-minded and stupid, of course.

I don't necessarily consider myself a high quality male or mate.  Maybe yes, maybe not.

A basic ability of philosophy is to suspend all premises and produce thought-experiments.  Even if I were a low-quality mate, then so what?  That doesn't make me wrong.


Try again, princess.

Interesting, of course that you vaulted me (Aussenseite) above others on ILP, saying that my values were of higher quality and respected, and yet here on KTS you call me stupid and refer to me as a princess. It would be fascinating if it weren't so predictable as well as boring.

I think you mistake the female disinterest in you and your ideas as a lack of intelligence, when the truth of the matter is that your premises and thought-experiments are that of a child, immature and lacking the wisdom and experience of the world.  All of your premises are based on misguided flash judgments on what you have seen. Not stupid, just basically ignorant and lacking maturity and the experience that comes with age and an open mind. It is sad for no one else but you because you are stumbling blind drunk with your rage at women for being... women. You treat them as stupid sluts because you have been hurt and therefore distrust and make incorrect value judgments that even you can't see are full of ignorance and child-like.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:05 pm

Blackmail??? Lol, Lyssa is a liar, there's nothing to blackmail her with. She's destroyed everybody's perception of her. Even if she did release her image then nobody would believe her. That's not my problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:07 pm

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Interesting, of course that you vaulted me (Aussenseite) above others on ILP, saying that my values were of higher quality and respected, and yet here on KTS you call me stupid and refer to me as a princess. It would be fascinating if it weren't so predictable as well as boring.

I think you mistake the female disinterest in you and your ideas as a lack of intelligence, when the truth of the matter is that your premises and thought-experiments are that of a child, immature and lacking the wisdom and experience of the world.  All of your premises are based on misguided flash judgments on what you have seen. Not stupid, just basically ignorant and lacking maturity and the experience that comes with age and an open mind. It is sad for no one else but you because you are stumbling blind drunk with your rage at women for being... women. You treat them as stupid sluts because you have been hurt and therefore distrust and make incorrect value judgments that even you can't see are full of ignorance and child-like.
But you prove my points perfectly.

As a woman, you have such weak, weak attacks. If you cannot demonstrate any points, intellectually, mentally, then what are you even doing on a philosophy forum? Let's maintain pretenses. Let's pretend that you, as a female, are here to learn something. As if it would difficult to figure out what you are after and what you want.

Your offensive is so weak and feeble, princess. Try again, one more time.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:18 pm

Okay, my attackers here, you all seem exhausted or occupied for a moment.

Let me take this opportunity to remind everybody of the obvious. When it comes to "Mate Selection", both male and female factors must be taken into consideration. It is not only the matter of a female wanting to absorb superior genes into her, to reproduce. But it is also a matter of the male, being present, being near, being competitive, being superior, and then finally, the mentality of the male as well.

Do males "Choose" to compete for ugly, fat sluts who have fucked dozens of other guys?

Do males "Choose" to compete for a woman who already has 10 children, or 5, or even 1?


Consider both sides.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:21 pm

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OhFortunae wrote:
It merely exposés your incapacity to recognize and value higher quality.
Higher quality discerned, discriminated, and judged by whom?

By whose authority, is a woman beautiful or ugly?

Or isn't it obvious that males decide for ourselves?


Ok, beauty is fully subjective; the authority of media and ideals regardless of instinct, biological needs and symmetry, determine beauty and fashion. One day fat, another anorexia.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:23 pm

Getting personal?

A few years ago, a woman who looks similar to the Arditezza's avatar approached me, and we went on a date. I turned her down. She has 2 children.

So I want my antagonists to explain to me how, personally, I am lacking when it comes to selecting a sexual partner? Would a "higher quality" male accept a relationship with a beautiful woman, if she has 2 children? Or wouldn't that be a lower quality male?

You decide. You tell me, about choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:26 pm

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Ok, beauty is fully subjective; the authority of media and ideals regardless of instinct, biological needs and symmetry, determine beauty and fashion. One day fat, another anorexia.
You were supposed to admit that your own, personal authority trumps others.

But you missed the point completely. Males generally do not judge female beauty on behalf of other males, but instead agree upon what is collective observed and first appreciated.


This is why a man with a beautiful girlfriend, or "trophy wife", gains much social respect and placement, by the mere means of proximity of beautiful women.

I hope that you're more philosophically capable than this, OhFortunae. Don't disappoint me.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:28 pm

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Interesting, of course that you vaulted me (Aussenseite) above others on ILP, saying that my values were of higher quality and respected, and yet here on KTS you call me stupid and refer to me as a princess. It would be fascinating if it weren't so predictable as well as boring.

I think you mistake the female disinterest in you and your ideas as a lack of intelligence, when the truth of the matter is that your premises and thought-experiments are that of a child, immature and lacking the wisdom and experience of the world.  All of your premises are based on misguided flash judgments on what you have seen. Not stupid, just basically ignorant and lacking maturity and the experience that comes with age and an open mind. It is sad for no one else but you because you are stumbling blind drunk with your rage at women for being... women. You treat them as stupid sluts because you have been hurt and therefore distrust and make incorrect value judgments that even you can't see are full of ignorance and child-like.
But you prove my points perfectly.

As a woman, you have such weak, weak attacks.  If you cannot demonstrate any points, intellectually, mentally, then what are you even doing on a philosophy forum?  Let's maintain pretenses.  Let's pretend that you, as a female, are here to learn something.  As if it would difficult to figure out what you are after and what you want.

Your offensive is so weak and feeble, princess.  Try again, one more time.

Oh dear, there is the problem.  You see every insight as an attack.  I was not attacking you, I was merely making an observation and leave it up to you to see.  But it is you who proved my point and misunderstand that I am here to learn something, but you have nothing to teach me and the realization of that fact hurts your ego so you see it as an offense. As an attack.

I am sorry for you that your lack of self-esteem does not allow you to see integrity and honesty for what it is. I won't continue to waste my time until you've grown into a man.  You will be a fine one once you learn to let go of the tyrannical rage that binds you to the toddler inside.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:30 pm

Your third contempt was the best, Arditezza. I enjoy seeing your feminine wit on display, attempting to shame me while simultaneously proclaiming "I'm not attacking you!"

But alas, I've grown up with sisters, and cousins, and women much more intelligence than you'll ever know. I've seen all the tricks, already experienced them.

Unfortunately, you cannot phase me. But you had three chances, and you did demonstrate your abilities.


Better luck next generation. Maybe your child will do better than you could.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:33 pm

My authority in judgement indeed has a higher subjective taste of quality, but still the fundament lays in objective standards. Enough women I can deem beautiful to a certain degree, but manners and qualities in creation / nurturing are for me too important.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:39 pm

OhFortunae wrote:
My authority in judgement indeed has a higher subjective taste of quality, but still the fundament lays in objective standards. Enough women I can deem beautiful to a certain degree, but manners and qualities in creation / nurturing are for me too important.
Choose wisely:

Lady A.

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Or Lady B.

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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:49 pm

A has better traits in regards to health, but still not good enough, especially how she exposes herself like that regardless of fertility and nutrition - character, I fall for women, rarely though, who have traits in certain talents.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:51 pm

Are you implying that you'll turn down the sexual advances of Lady A when she's horny and wanting?

Hey man, whatever floats your boat....good luck with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:58 pm

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Are you implying that you'll turn down the sexual advances of Lady A when she's horny and wanting?

Hey man, whatever floats your boat....good luck with that.

Not necessarily that, depends on the situation, I won't like it for example to abuse the degenracy of a woman like when she is drunk, but regardless, I can go for it if it not blind hornyness - but in regards to reproductive means, no; in regards to investments, no; no value.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:39 pm

Æon wrote:
Are you implying that you'll turn down the sexual advances of Lady A when she's horny and wanting?
<-- I really don't find anything attractive about Lady A, looks like a skeleton ...She's all yours.

Some women look better chubbier than other women, for example they don't get fat in their faces for some reason, but they usually have naturally curvy bodies. I find too much thinness to be infertile and not attractive at all, especially fitness women usually look like they compensate for their infertility, I can't stand any muscle definition on women, not even abdominal, it's homoerotic imo.

For example, I find this picture to be disgusting (I'm not exaggerating):
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:45 pm

Deal, I take Lady A. You take Lady B. Win-win.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:34 pm

Both subjects are superficial/narcissistic, but at least subject A has some discipline. That said, and although the latter's somatotype is petite ectomorphic, her fertility looks about as dry as her vag.
Neither choice.

I don't understand the relationship you're juxtaposing.
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PostSubject: Re: Choosing a mate Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:48 pm

Jarno wrote:
Æon wrote:
Are you implying that you'll turn down the sexual advances of Lady A when she's horny and wanting?
<-- I really don't find anything attractive about Lady A, looks like a skeleton ...She's all yours.

Some women look better chubbier than other women, for example they don't get fat in their faces for some reason, but they usually have naturally curvy bodies. I find too much thinness to be infertile and not attractive at all, especially fitness women usually look like they compensate for their infertility, I can't stand any muscle definition on women, not even abdominal, it's homoerotic imo.

For example, I find this picture to be disgusting (I'm not exaggerating):
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I'm with you here.
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