I figured I'd post some of my old Prose/Poetry (you might be able to tell this will all be from before I finished the 12th grade back in the day)... I don't write much poetry any more... My muse leads me in other endeavors...
Anyways comment as you please, feel free to counter with your own prose or poetry, or whatever...critique away...
The next one is the first one that came to mind...and old one from when I was young and lonely:
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This is a meaningless poem Quite full of meanings I mean to say That though it has no single double-meanings Or double-meanings within its triple-meaning’s meaning, It does For if you look at it for its words your see that there are meanings all about 2 meanings in its triple-meaning’s meaning, Meaning that there are triple-meanings And double meanings to them And even a single double-meaning here And there Meaning that though this poem does not contain any meaning It does
Satyr Daemon
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Poetry is for the confused trying to seem deep by using word association. it is like modern art: all lines and empty canvases and hues pretentiously implying a depth which is not there.
Try ordering your thoughts; making them cohesive and comprehensible. If you cannot...then you have nothing but sensations and the words that evoke them.
To what did man first witness to mislead it to End? A concept existing though such does not Amazing that in stupidity begin the most complex irrationalities Beautiful what we make from nothing Achieving knowledge not taught by nature This is our proof of consciousness Misunderstanding; mistake
Taking the road not taken is a path that those with little strength but great ambition follow; for it is much easier to leave your imprint on grounds less tread upon, than a paved road. Only the true creators can, in their laziness, dig-up and reroute old beliefs. Still, the efforts of these many wanderers who stray from the mountainous hikes, are respectable: it is an achievement to even discover those hidden paths; however, still deep within the social forests. The only wrong are those who hike to be seen and not to help; ripping new paths, useless ones, that sit nowhere, start from no other, and end the same: pretty constructs, but petty creations.
Weird it is where sit my wonders Which often bear but seeming blunders For fastly thoughts flash from place to place Feeding mind but formless face Leaving no track for memories trace So, often forced to work in haste But not a problem presents this pre-pollution Sense to it I have found a sound solution: By puzzling words to fit my prose My mental cramps can creatively pose
Poetry is for the confused trying to seem deep by using word association. it is like modern art: all lines and empty canvases and hues pretentiously implying a depth which is not there.
Try ordering your thoughts; making them cohesive and comprehensible. If you cannot...then you have nothing but sensations and the words that evoke them.
Well... that is true in many cases but due to some assuming that such is all poetry typically is they pass over things when there really are meanings and good reason for the associations used. And often having the many associations facilitates understanding, depending on that the associations are to thing s that actually relate to the idea rather then just random pretty pointers.
Though it can be fun to play with words like I did in that lonely poem... the problem is people thinking it is so grand...
But yes for the most part i think poetry in the sense of only being pretty words, are silly. Its funny how often people find the poems like that rather then the ones I like to be the nice ones... Perhaps it should be more called prose, what I typically wrote back then, or these things...it depends on ones definition of poetry.
Satyr Daemon
Gender : Posts : 37118 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 58 Location : Hyperborea
Well... that is true in many cases but due to some assuming that such is all poetry typically is they pass over things when there really are meanings and good reason for the associations used. And often having the many associations facilitates understanding, depending on that the associations are to thing s that actually relate to the idea rather then just random pretty pointers.
I've heard this before.
Let me put it to you this way: I, am not interested in easy word-associations, linking you, hypothetically, to a depth you cannot elucidate or explain.
I know poetics. I've practiced them much to my later embarrassment. Poetry is like abstract art...it presumed to depict the real....on a much deeper level, when all it does it hide the incompetence of the mind that presents it instead of clarity.
allow me to offer a more impressionable quote:
Mencken, H.L. wrote:
All the progress that has been made in the art during the past fifty or sixty years has been based upon quiet filches from the camera, just as all the progress that has been made in panting has been based upon filches from the spectroscope. When one finds a painter who professes to disdain these scientific aids, one always beholds a painter who is actually unable to draw or paint, and who seeks to conceal his incompetence by clothing it in hocus-pocus. This is the origin of the Modern Art that regales us with legs eight feet long, complexions of olive green, and human heads related to the soap-box rather than the edam cheese. This is the origin of all the gabble one hears in ratty and unhealthy studios about cubism, vortism, futurism and other such childish follies.
Abstract wrote:
Though it can be fun to play with words like I did in that lonely poem... the problem is people thinking it is so grand...
I, for one, ever said it was "grand" but that it pretended to be.
Abstract wrote:
But yes for the most part i think poetry in the sense of only being pretty words, are silly. Its funny how often people find the poems like that rather then the ones I like to be the nice ones... Perhaps it should be more called prose, what I typically wrote back then, or these things...it depends on ones definition of poetry.
You should pause and think why females are so drawn to poetics.
To tug art someone's heart-strings, to construct a medium through which the observer can project his?her fears, expectations, concerns, tragedies, hopes, might be a product of some talent but it i also not as difficult as it appears.
After all is not the quality of the observer participating in the evaluation of the artist?
Look at hip-hop and its "lyrics; look at the sampling of today and the absence of harmony, it having been replaced by rhythm and drumbeats imitating the heart and copulation. look sat what has happened to painting with its abstractions interpreted to be transcendental insights.
Is a line across a blank canvass and the price it has been sold at your definition of quality and art?
Liar!!! You lack the female that will give herself without thought.
Little Brian had to seduce you when you were still infantile - or much more than you still are - and you were looking for a way into a power you could belong to without being a victim of.
Those boys your momma brought home must have made you feel all vulnerable, and when you looked around no daddy was about. But she was a hard one, no? You've seen men crumble before her. Your daddy had to leave or else he had to tuck his balls under his legs and use a crutch in her presence. Made you yearn for that kind of machismo.
Let me put it to you this way: I, am not interested in easy word-associations, linking you, hypothetically, to a depth you cannot elucidate or explain.
I know poetics. I've practiced them much to my later embarrassment. Poetry is like abstract art...it presumed to depict the real....on a much deeper level, when all it does it hide the incompetence of the mind that presents it instead of clarity.
allow me to offer a more impressionable quote:
Mencken, H.L. wrote:
All the progress that has been made in the art during the past fifty or sixty years has been based upon quiet filches from the camera, just as all the progress that has been made in panting has been based upon filches from the spectroscope. When one finds a painter who professes to disdain these scientific aids, one always beholds a painter who is actually unable to draw or paint, and who seeks to conceal his incompetence by clothing it in hocus-pocus. This is the origin of the Modern Art that regales us with legs eight feet long, complexions of olive green, and human heads related to the soap-box rather than the edam cheese. This is the origin of all the gabble one hears in ratty and unhealthy studios about cubism, vortism, futurism and other such childish follies.
Ultimately I agree with you, that is why i said that my muse has lead me in other directions. Nonetheless poetry can be more explicit, and can aid the strengthening in the mind in that it forces one to think. That is why we have both though instead of relying on one form of communication, having everything be perfectly explicit allows for the minds to get lazy. Interpreting poetry can be an exercise of the mind. Valuing the ideas because they look pretty is silly.
Σατυρ wrote:
Abstract wrote:
Though it can be fun to play with words like I did in that lonely poem... the problem is people thinking it is so grand...
I, for one, ever said it was "grand" but that it pretended to be.
Didn't intend the implication...
Σατυρ wrote:
Abstract wrote:
But yes for the most part i think poetry in the sense of only being pretty words, are silly. Its funny how often people find the poems like that rather then the ones I like to be the nice ones... Perhaps it should be more called prose, what I typically wrote back then, or these things...it depends on ones definition of poetry.
You should pause and think why females are so drawn to poetics.
Largely because they were the ones typically used to grow the children who often require more pretty things to draw the attention to things worth thinking about. So artism is a matter that women may naturally be inclined to as an aspect of the nature to serve as teachers of the very young.
Σατυρ wrote:
To tug art someone's heart-strings, to construct a medium through which the observer can project his?her fears, expectations, concerns, tragedies, hopes, might be a product of some talent but it i also not as difficult as it appears.
It isn't one only needs find the algorithm.
Σατυρ wrote:
After all is not the quality of the observer participating in the evaluation of the artist?
Look at hip-hop and its "lyrics; look at the sampling of today and the absence of harmony, it having been replaced by rhythm and drumbeats imitating the heart and copulation. look sat what has happened to painting with its abstractions interpreted to be transcendental insights.
Is a line across a blank canvass and the price it has been sold at your definition of quality and art?
Perhaps I should note that what I would prefer to call art is something like this:
though I would note that what is "harmony" is a socially conditioned frame of mind. What seems random and fuzz to one can seem like music to a mind of higher pattern recognition...Higher pattern recognition can be learned over time and practice, though it comes more natural to some. Those with higher pattern recognition and correlation capacities find certain forms of music less thrilling of course. Recognizing this can breed some recognition of value in the less complexly patterned things in how they serve as a means of mental expansion for those yet of the stretch of some like yourself perhaps. The problem lies in those who get attached to a form and fails to grow up and ween themselves of the past. Yet we all get stuck at points here and there.
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You might appreciate this story though...
One day I was passing by a dorm, when I was in school, and herd some sound. it sounded like a blow drier... but there was something odd about it, I got a little closer and gave it more of a listening... it was some heavy metal.
You have a wild imagination :] I will give you that.
Just to note, I am not a poet... even then I thought the idea of being one was silly, people trying to appear poetish and all that...
Nonetheless at that young age i found my self full of ideas I yet had the better capacity to express so I spilled it out in the ways it came to me, with what methods seemed to work. With some arts-fartsy fun here and there.
Look at hip-hop and its "lyrics; look at the sampling of today and the absence of harmony, it having been replaced by rhythm and drumbeats imitating the heart and copulation. look sat what has happened to painting with its abstractions interpreted to be transcendental insights.
Something I wrote back then:
Music Is becoming Just another… religion The record companies Labeling the songs for each Generation Rap’s one big generality Filled with faked “reality” and insanity It almost disgusts me How can it even be? Flocked to by stupidity Oops, I’m sorry Did I say that too horribly Cause it's all a load of crap Songs wrote to satisfy humanity Raps a musical cavity But it’s evolving, look at the black-eyed peas Bringin in more than tribal harmonies I’ll admit that it’s not all bad Though the lack of rhythmic variation is rather sad A few rappers can pop good tunes With more meaning then killin like loons But rap is not alone Cause rock has lost its roll It’s becoming pretty faces dancing to A common beat Nothing but songs of love moving their feet Some orders are new but the music is old Its no longer meaning that counts but the Counts of CD’s sold Sorry pal but where in a modern age Music is forming the businessman’s stage Music is no longer art It's just another Religion Sold to the younger crowd “Be cool for a small price” “Join the club” “Do what they do and be a better you!” Did we learn nothing from the beats? Be your own piece of art Colored for your eyes not theirs Maybe then we can see some real art Real art is selfish “It's all for me.”
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Is a line across a blank canvass and the price it has been sold at your definition of quality and art?
Last night I saw a preview for the new kid's movie "Rio" for the umpteenth time about some ghetto animated birds, and they have one bird singing "Drop it low take it to the flo show em how you roll drop it low" and it's supposed to be funny but it's really getting on my nerves :p
Mainly because this is the same 'funny' shit that has been overrun in the media for the past ten years to desensitize people into accepting that behavior as normal....
And that's all it is...
And it's sad that it's not seen that way :p
But most people aren't thinking villains are running hollywood to destroy their minds with humor from a child's movie.... o___0
Last night I saw a preview for the new kid's movie "Rio" for the umpteenth time about some ghetto animated birds, and they have one bird singing "Drop it low take it to the flo show em how you roll drop it low" and it's supposed to be funny but it's really getting on my nerves :p
Mainly because this is the same 'funny' shit that has been overrun in the media for the past ten years to desensitize people into accepting that behavior as normal....
And that's all it is...
And it's sad that it's not seen that way :p
But most people aren't thinking villains are running hollywood to destroy their minds with humor from a child's movie.... o___0
That is pretty much true, though the funny thing is that the villians are brainwashed enough that they really think they are doing what is right, they aren't inherently bad...they are just as ignorant as any other.
People are resistant to the idea of it being a villainous group as that typically isn't what happens. it is just ignorant people doing ignorant things...
No. They definitely do it on purpose. The ones in the background...
That isn't to say generally they don't have miscellaneous people coming in to do the work for them and have no clue except that they're getting paid and doing something they like and feel appreciated for....
No. They definitely do it on purpose. The ones in the background...
I wouldn't say they definitely don't, really they could. but then I would think that such is still a matter of ignorance to think such is really the most pleasant life-path.
Poison IV wrote:
That isn't to say generally they don't have miscellaneous people coming in to do the work for them and have no clue except that they're getting paid and doing something they like and feel appreciated for....
We have another pharmaceutical situation here :p
I'm sure there is someone up there who understands the social-engineering of it all but they don't understand social-engineering as well as they think.
it does to a degree but if people get too stupid then.... if you allow social institutions where peoples minds evolve more weakly and weakly due to allowing things to be to easy and more, then the people will eventually get to a point where they can't think in a predictable manner, they start to think stupid things that do not follow from others and so it can be hard to reason motivation...perhaps...it depends...
Or if people don't have good critical thinking a stupid idea like "destroy the government" can spreda like mad... thus such a system requires a complicated control structure to a degree that is subject to many problems due to complexity...it is hard to maintain in other words... and will eventually fail, and the more complex the more quickly.
What I am thinking though is that if say 90% of the population is dumped down eventually the 10% that aren't will get infected...
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Satyr Daemon
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Or if people don't have good critical thinking a stupid idea like "destroy the government" can spreda like mad... thus such a system requires a complicated control structure to a degree that is subject to many problems due to complexity...it is hard to maintain in other words... and will eventually fail, and the more complex the more quickly.
