The Guardian is the newspaper I love to hate. In fact, despise is not too strong a word. Below is an article typical of the crap this newspaper puts out. I learnt for the first time of the term 'cisgender', defined in Wikipedia as:
Quote :
Cisgender and cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describe related types of gender identity where an individual's experience of their own gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.[1]
There are a number of derivatives of the terms in use, including cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned female at birth", analogically cis man and cis woman, as well as cissexism and cissexual assumption. In addition, certain scholars have begun to use the term cisnormativity, akin to the queer studies' heteronormativity.[3][4]
What this nonsense appears to say is that if you were born a biological male, and feel like a male, or born a biological female, and feel like a female, then you are also a member of a third gender group called 'cisgender'. I cannot see any justification for such a term existing beyond the needs of those who, because of some biological malfunction, fit into neither traditional gender groups and are looking for some nefarious way to undermine nature and so legitimize their existence, inevitably leading to claims of victim status and a request for resources and greater recognition.
Things you wanted to know about trans people and were rude enough to ask Trans people are asked offensive questions about their private lives that would never be asked of others. It's time to stop the talk of 'real' names and body parts
Quote :
You may not think you are one of these people, so I have a quick test. Were you raised in a society that assigns gender, as well as sex, at birth? Hint: the answer is yes. Does that society label gender nonconformity "weird"? Hint: unless you are Native American and were raised knowing about two-spirited people, the answer is also yes.
There seems to be no room here for a discussion of whether gender is the result of nature or nurture. It is taken as read that gender is assigned by some faceless bureaucracy, ie, setting the stage for it being an act of oppression, rather than merely observed and recorded, an act of nature over which we have little or no control.
Neither is there any clear discussion over the difference between sex and gender, if any such differences exist.
Quote :
In fact, since you were wondering, let's clear a few other things up. No, we weren't "born in the wrong body" and no we don't want a "sex change". These terms are created by cis society to make trans people more definable, less messy. But we're not easy to understand and it's not because we're trans – it's because we're people.
So if your born a male, but feel like a female, it doesn't necessarily follow that you want a female body?
Is there no longer any link between our biological natures and our self-image?
Quote :
I had a roundtable discussion with four other trans people, Leng, Frankie, Jai and CJ. Transition meant a completely different thing to each of us and not one of us is currently interested in genital surgery. We also all have and enjoy sex in a variety of ways. This diversity was not engineered. It occurred as naturally as diversity would at a table of cis people.
Having and enjoying sex is the common denominator in which all deviants can partake and feel part of the majority.
Quote :
Frankie, who identifies as trans feminine and whose biological sex is male, says the most common assumption people make about them (they use gender-neutral pronouns) can be blamed on society's age-old representation of the tragic, self-loathing trans woman. Because Frankie has a feminine gender expression and a penis, people assume they must hate themselves. Not only do people assume – they ask as much, as if Frankie is an accessible version of the onscreen stereotype, provided, again for the benefit of their unbridled curiosity.
Of course, Frankie would rather you didn't assume, or at least that you didn't ask. But since you probably will on both counts, they'll tell you they're fine about it, actually. They even use it. For actual sex and masturbation, can you believe? That is, after all, what it's there for.
Again there is this idea that genitals are merely there for play and sexual pleasure, that they have no deeper, longer term function or significance. It all seems a grotesque insult against nature.
----------------------------
If these transgender types are not sexual deviants, then why are there so many of them involved in pornography... especially in countries like Brazil? Maybe phoneutria could give us the low down?
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Satyr Daemon
Gender : Posts : 36826 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 58 Location : Hyperborea
There is no such thing as transforming one's gender. Within the human system, you can be whatever you like, be it a "man" or "woman". Since it is very much a materialistic culture, one must only appear to look like the other gender, then it is automatically considered to be of that gender, which supported by human rights ..etc
To undergo a surgical change, to invert his penis into a vagina is significant enough to be classified as a female. However, that is not actually a biologically functioning vagina, it merely resembles one, the image alone is enough.
He then is given the legal right to change his name and gender on his birth certificate allowing you identify the fickle value of human identity.
If we take a deeper look, on a chromosome level, he still have an x and y, thus making him a male. This information has to be ignored other wise it would contradict with the human system and his rights etc ..which ultimately makes everything relative and subjective and requires brainwashing and deception to valid it....
perpetualburn
Gender : Posts : 955 Join date : 2013-01-04 Location : MA
There is no such thing as transforming one's gender.
Well, not literally.
I thought you showed some favor towards transsexuals before? (don't read that as an attack) Maybe I remember wrong.
The whole LGBT movement seems to move out from the idea that there needs to be cooperation between genders, and that society must make those who make "difficult" gender choices, as comfortable as possible. He/she feels no loss in getting perpetually carried away in gender dialectics. There may be a move to relieve aggression in the affirmation of difference.
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
OhFortunae
Gender : Posts : 2311 Join date : 2013-10-26 Age : 30 Location : Land of Dance and Song
1. Introduction to Human Behavioral Biology [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Telling my dad that I am cisgender-LIVE [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
_________________ 1. "Youth, oh, youth! | of whom then, youth, art thou born? Say whose son thou art, Who in Fafnir's blood | thy bright blade reddened, And struck thy sword to my heart."
2. "The Noble Hart | my name, and I go A motherless man abroad; Father I had not, | as others have, And lonely ever I live."
Anfang
Gender : Posts : 3985 Join date : 2013-01-23 Age : 40 Location : Castra Alpine Grug
From what I understand, it doesn't even require to alter any body parts whatsoever. Gender is by now anything you can think of. Being a male, feeling like a woman and interested in males who feel like a man? - There probably is a gender designation for that.
In my view, all those designations were promoted in society to dissolve the two biological sexes. Being a male, who identifies as being a male who is interested in females who identify as being a female is rendered to be one gender among many. Nothing special about it.
The complete separation of body and mind. The vile body is improved with surgery or some future promise of trans-humanism and the more important aspect, the 'real' self, the mind, the soul, is free to merge with the collective, the hive mind. An unconscious hive mind.
There is no such thing as transforming one's gender.
Well, not literally.
I thought you showed some favor towards transsexuals before? (don't read that as an attack) Maybe I remember wrong.
I would consider it literal, even by some possibility of advanced technology it still wouldn't be complete transformation, by the mere fact something is being transformed already makes it impossible.
I think there is a deeply rooted base that can be modified, the modification the more transformation, but the meaning has been lost upon modification. This moves into transhumanism where everything becomes even more anti male, anti female etc..
In previous posts I was highlighting occasional attraction towards specific ones which are more of the "passing" nature. However, the truth is the truth, and I see no point in denying it for sexual attraction. The attraction is visual, as far as interaction, well I wouldn't know..because I know that look is very much an illusion using artificial products..
Transgenderism will eventually be bigger than LGB, but for now it attaches itself to those movements using it as a vehicle to maintain and establish itself, once gained enough power socially and otherwise, it'll detached itself and create a separate movement and grow bigger and stronger...
I left a note on this YouTube vid.
Satyr Daemon
Gender : Posts : 36826 Join date : 2009-08-24 Age : 58 Location : Hyperborea
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
If these transgender types are not sexual deviants, then why are there so many of them involved in pornography... especially in countries like Brazil? Maybe phoneutria could give us the low down?
You seem to know more about Brazil than I do, in certain categories. I am not up to date on tracking what consenting adults do with their free time back in the home land. I tend to focus my attention on subjects that concern me.
You did maybe start an interesting discussion, though. When you talk about "deviant", you are making a comparison toward the norm. So, what is the norm? Copulation involving a male and a female with the purpose of reproduction right? What if you kiss the female whilst copulating? Is that deviant? What if you give her a little lick in any place of your choosing? What if you DARE to change position a bit? Is that deviant? What if you add a finger?
See where I am going?
Either you have the most boring sex life since victorian times, or sir, you are a deviant.
The difference between you and a tranny is merely a matter of degree.
Ever read the Kama Sutra? I think of that as the Pagan norm. Interjecting Christian ideals as a means of arugmentation. Modern so called deviance can be attributed to the relativistic form of Christianity. Talk about it under this kind of a framework. I do enjoy the sophisty though.
Recidivist
Gender : Posts : 435 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 48 Location : Exile
So, what is the norm? Copulation involving a male and a female with the purpose of reproduction right? What if you kiss the female whilst copulating? Is that deviant? What if you give her a little lick in any place of your choosing? What if you DARE to change position a bit? Is that deviant? What if you add a finger?
See where I am going?
Either you have the most boring sex life since victorian times, or sir, you are a deviant.
The difference between you and a tranny is merely a matter of degree.
I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.
For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Mo Lamb
Gender : Posts : 276 Join date : 2013-02-02 Age : 40 Location : Northerly
I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.
For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.
That practice seems detached from basic nature. Contrary to nature. A denial of nature. Unnatural. ---I'll dub it a fetish... an extreme one.
I can't remember what culture this was, it might have been Judaism. But the woman undresses and lays splayed on the bed, completely covered by a thin white sheet with a hole where her vagina is. The man enters the bed chamber naked, mounts her, does his thing and then leaves. Not a word is spoken. The woman can then get up and go about her business.
For some reason I feel a certain amount of respect for a people that can do this, putting duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. The modern mind would find it completely incomprehensible though.
Do you also respect female genitalia mutilation? The clitoris is a useless vestigial organ to us highly evolved organisms, who put duty and obligation above mindless pleasure. Those African tribes performing this procedure may be more advanced than we know after all!
Ever read the Kama Sutra? I think of that as the Pagan norm. Interjecting Christian ideals as a means of arugmentation. Modern so called deviance can be attributed to the relativistic form of Christianity. Talk about it under this kind of a framework. I do enjoy the sophisty though.
Good point, kid. What one finds disgusting, to the other is an ancestral practice. In other words, you don't like it? Well, that's tough.
Recidivist
Gender : Posts : 435 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 48 Location : Exile
Do you also respect female genitalia mutilation? The clitoris is a useless vestigial organ to us highly evolved organisms, who put duty and obligation above mindless pleasure.
Why the need for such an extreme example... should we remove our taste buds as well?
Are you so afraid of a world which doesn't elevate sexual pleasure to the defining principle in life?
Quote :
Those African tribes performing this procedure may be more advanced than we know after all!
Maybe they are just not as decadent.
_________________ “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” - - George Orwell
Got your priorities wrong. People undergo surgery just to make that happen. This together with a handfull of supplements is basically what I eat: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
All apart of the cycle. These fucking Dionysus cults have been activated.
Wikipedia wrote:
Metaphysics of sex[edit] In The Yoga of Power: Tantra, Shakti, and the Secret Way and also Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex, Evola described the practice of sexual magic as an asceticism of action that allows one to achieve transcendent states through physical action, primarily sex.
To explain the metaphysics of sex, Evola cites the original meaning of the word "orgy" as "the state of inspired exaltation that began the initiatory process in the ancient Greek mysteries. But when this exaltation of eros, itself akin to other experiences of a supersensual nature, becomes individualized as a longing that is only carnal, then it deteriorates and ends finally in the form constituted by mere "pleasure, or venereal lust" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 48).
In his sexual philosophy, Evola followed the esoteric Hindu and Buddhist schools in the teaching of retention of semen as a means of ontological energization and ultimate self-mastery. "Virya, or spiritual manhood, if lost or wasted results in death and if withheld and conserved leads to life" (ibid., p. 219). Evola considered Traditional chastity as signifying "control, limit, anti-titanic purity, overcoming of pride, and immaterial unshakability, rather than a moralistic and sexuophobic concept" (The Mystery of the Grail, p. 80).
Evola considered sex as being "the greatest magical force in nature", and he fiercely opposed homosexuality, viewing it as a dysfunctional undermining of the magnetic polarity and complementary nature of the two sexes, and thus of the possibility of erotic transcendence. "In a civilization where equality is the standard, where differences are not linked, where promiscuity is in favor, where the ancient idea of 'being true to oneself' means nothing anymore—in such a splintered and materialistic society, it is clear that this phenomenon of regression and homosexuality should be particularly welcome, and therefore it is no way a surprise to see the alarming increase in homosexuality and the 'third sex' in the latest 'democratic' period, or an increase in sex changes to an extent unparalleled in other eras" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 64).
Evola refers to Plotinus, who deemed homosexual loves to be shameful and abnormal, like diseases of degenerate persons "which do not arise from the essence of being and are not the outcome of the development thereof" (Enneads, III). The ancient Aryo-Zoroastrian view on homosexuality, as exemplified in the Vendidad, elicits Evola's full approval: sodomites were classed among the ranks of those criminals to be destroyed on the spot; "Four men can be put to death by any one without an order from the Dastur (high priest): the Nasu-burner (cannibal), the highwayman, the Sodomite, and the criminal taken in the deed" (Vendidad, 8:73-74[12]). With equal vehemence, Evola scorned modern pornography for being a "scanty source" of erotic experience, denouncing it as "dreadfully squalid not only in the facts and scenes described, but in its essence" (The Metaphysics of Sex, p. 4).
Pretty much spot on. Path of transcendence. Homosexuality can be attributed to inherited hypersexuality, explaining its prominance.
perpetualburn
Gender : Posts : 955 Join date : 2013-01-04 Location : MA
This is neither here nor there, but proud declarations of sexual preference aren't "cool" enough, betray a lack of style.
_________________ And here we always meet, at the station of our heart / Looking at each other as if we were in a dream /Seeing for the first time different eyes so supreme / That bright flames burst into vision, keeping us apart.
Recidivist
Gender : Posts : 435 Join date : 2012-04-30 Age : 48 Location : Exile
How long before he is cast in here?: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
He is obviously a "hater" and what he is really saying is that one should abuse these people. Maybe someone should track him down and threaten him...huh?
_________________ γνῶθι σεαυτόν μηδέν άγαν
Lyssa Har Har Harr
Gender : Posts : 8965 Join date : 2012-03-01 Location : The Cockpit
How long before he is cast in here?: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
He is obviously a "hater" and what he is really saying is that one should abuse these people. Maybe someone should track him down and threaten him...huh?
Who verifies what comes out of academic research...