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PostSubject: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:11 pm

Here's why....







A middle-class mid-west professor on being a non-racist, non-nationalist, non-meat eating.....non-identity having peace loving ......thing. Actually, maybe we shouldn't have names either...because if my name sounds better than someone else's...it might be unfair....
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:12 pm

Btw, he's been doing this since I was 18....that's almost 3 years ago. He hasn't changed----at all.

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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:15 pm

He's cute.

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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:20 pm

The problem I have with the usage of 'peace' and equality is that it is not the utopia it sounds like. When there is a group of people telling another (already non-compliant) group of people that they need to be nicer, it is always the aggressive type that rules out. Why? Because that is the evolution, and the beastly man they do not want to face. Those that are willing to fight for their lives (and no matter what they say, that is a necessity for survival) are the ones who will survive. If pure peace, and love could exist, it would have been here by now. People seem unable to accept that we live in a give and take, gain and loss world that cannot just be one way or the other.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:26 pm

Prof over there is able to promote himself from his air-conditioned, civilization protected personal space.

That is not reality as much as he would like to think it is. Everything he lives, I live, and you live is a well gauged, long-thought out lie.

Yes, we are living, but to what extent? How many paradigms must we jump hoops with day to day to maintain it?

So many egg-shells to walk, and people to please...

We are bridging on collapse, the smiles are cracking....
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:53 pm

Aaaand to add more, our society encourages the weak to breed only because they are more subservient (obvs)

It is in this kind of society, and only this kind of society that weakness thinks it rules merely because it is the cow & chicken conveyor belt.

And hence we have Professor Anton, conveyor belt guide at a Uni, most certain that his peace theory works and is in action :p


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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:04 pm

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The problem I have with the usage of 'peace' and equality is that it is not the utopia it sounds like. When there is a group of people telling another (already non-compliant) group of people that they need to be nicer, it is always the aggressive type that rules out. Why? Because that is the evolution, and the beastly man they do not want to face. Those that are willing to fight for their lives (and no matter what they say, that is a necessity for survival) are the ones who will survive. If pure peace, and love could exist, it would have been here by now. People seem unable to accept that we live in a give and take, gain and loss world that cannot just be one way or the other.

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Prof over there is able to promote himself from his air-conditioned, civilization protected personal space.

That is not reality as much as he would like to think it is. Everything he lives, I live, and you live is a well gauged, long-thought out lie.

Yes, we are living, but to what extent? How many paradigms must we jump hoops with day to day to maintain it?

So many egg-shells to walk, and people to please...

We are bridging on collapse, the smiles are cracking..

I concur.


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Aaaand to add more, our society encourages the weak to breed only because they are more subservient (obvs)

It is in this kind of society, and only this kind of society that weakness thinks it rules merely because it is the cow & chicken conveyor belt.

And hence we have Professor Anton, conveyor belt guide at a Uni, most certain that his peace theory works and is in action :p

That sort of ties into my other thread of how this has become a world of fake masters who deceive themselves as being others superiors.

http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/t502-genuine-state-of-competition-and-social-darwinism


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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:59 pm

Here's something to think about. What is peace anyways?

Doesn't it sound like the neutralization of something?

Better yet, doesn't it sound like something becoming pacified by force?
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:12 pm

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fake masters who deceive themselves as being others superiors.



Well let me use something Alex Jones presses immensely, and that's that the real elite is rapidly attempting to deplete the 'lower' elite, as that's their biggest obstacle- the money flow.

Anything that bottom feeds on minimum wage to the lower 100,000 range is fine, but beyond this the everyday millionaire and up must go. That means people who have truly worked their way through the system are the ones who have temporary luxuries at best.


There are definitely no 'fake' masters, they're in charge alright....

I think what you mean is that they are undeserving of their title, and this is somewhat true in the Marxist-inheritance sense, but nothing in life is made fair. If people want to give their money to their children then that's the way it goes. People with better genetics also pass this on, and no matter how much petitioning for better genetics we make, it's not going to make us anymore fit.

As for those who have long lineages of family money, they are just hardcore criminals with the same mindset as any other group of rebels but on a much larger scale. (The mafia for instance)


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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:12 am

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fake masters who deceive themselves as being others superiors.



Well let me use something Alex Jones presses immensely, and that's that the real elite is rapidly attempting to deplete the 'lower' elite, as that's their biggest obstacle- the money flow.

Anything that bottom feeds on minimum wage to the lower 100,000 range is fine, but beyond this the everyday millionaire and up must go. That means people who have truly worked their way through the system are the ones who have temporary luxuries at best.


There are definitely no 'fake' masters, they're in charge alright....

I think what you mean is that they are undeserving of their title, and this is somewhat true in the Marxist-inheritance sense, but nothing in life is made fair. If people want to give their money to their children then that's the way it goes. People with better genetics also pass this on, and no matter how much petitioning for better genetics we make, it's not going to make us anymore fit.

As for those who have long lineages of family money, they are just hardcore criminals with the same mindset as any other group of rebels but on a much larger scale. (The mafia for instance)



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Well let me use something Alex Jones presses immensely, and that's that the real elite is rapidly attempting to deplete the 'lower' elite, as that's their biggest obstacle- the money flow.

Anything that bottom feeds on minimum wage to the lower 100,000 range is fine, but beyond this the everyday millionaire and up must go. That means people who have truly worked their way through the system are the ones who have temporary luxuries at best.

A society of feudal lords and serfs. Welcome to fascist corporate neo - feudalism.
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There are definitely no 'fake' masters, they're in charge alright....

Yeah they are. Give me a wealthy wallstreet banker dropped into a isolated random natural wilderness without any outside communications or help from anybody where the social construct of rules and laws does not exist leaving them to completely fend for themselves.

I'll play the role as the hunter where he will play that of the prey in which case I'll have that wealthy son of a bitch begging for his life before sun down.

Sure he might be the lion king of the urban jungle that is civilization but when it concerns other parts of the world like that of the wilderness jungle which are uncontrollable that don't necessarily fall under his dominion you would be surprised just how fast all of that could change in one day. The tides can change pretty quickly.


These fake masters hide behind their constructs, inventions, or institutions very cleverly but once you remove all of that from them that they are extremely dependent on for their power they're very much weak and powerless I assure you.

They then become like a child scared of what goes bump in the night that they can't control, predict, or fight against.

These fake masters are really too dependent on their collective social constructs which are the only things that give them power and their delusional sense of superiority.

Remove their institutional insulated sense of protection and security they will automatically bare their nakedness of weakness.

I prefer personal will power versus fake imitative ones.





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I think what you mean is that they are undeserving of their title,

They are. They outlaw specific types of competition that they know would threaten them by a barrage of bullshit fictional morality and ethics.


Why shouldn't I be able to kill them in one on one competition?

Why should the weak that can't defend themselves on one and one competition be allowed to live or prevail?

What people in power amongst civilization have simply done is apply rules to competition that is only suitable to them in giving themselves a advantage leaving everybody else a disadvantage. In other words they have rigged competition to be most favorable to them where they literally can't lose every time.

Over the years such insulation has only caused them to become extremely weak and dependent on that rigging.

Now when you remove that rigging from them leaving them to their own prowess that is when things become interesting.

Entire lives being dependent on institutional systems we will find that they have very little to none individual prowess of their own. All that protected insulation from the rest of the world leaves no survival instinct.

They're weakness becomes all the more exposed.

Genuine competition has no rules and so in true sense no genuine competition in civilization exists at this moment.

In genuine competition if I don't like you where I perceive you as a threat to myself or an annoyance I simply kill you off.

There is no questions, thinking, or evaluations in the act. I simply kill and move on with my daily activities.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:40 pm

Lol the problem is none of us do. We're all products of an enclosed environment. It's inescapable.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:42 pm

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Lol the problem is none of us do. We're all products of an enclosed environment. It's inescapable.

Incorrect. While were all products of a enclosed system and environment that doesn't mean that there doesn't exist a escape or alternative away from it.

There are plenty of alternatives to such a fate. They are not easily accessed by the common intellect or individual in that such are hard states of existence to acquire when it concerns matters of difficulty but they do exist nonetheless.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:45 pm

That isn't true by order of land mass. There simply isn't enough open space (aside from a dead-end continent like Africa) for people to just drop off the map. Cities house millions of people.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:51 pm

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That isn't true by order of land mass. There simply isn't enough open space (aside from a dead-end continent like Africa) for people to just drop off the map. Cities house millions of people.

It's called the wilderness deary. There are still some places left uninhabited from other human beings on the planet.

There's also the choice of existing as a criminal and social deviant within society or civilization by blending within it on the notion of never becoming detected by others under a shade of invisibility.

There is always alternatives. Be creative and imaginative.

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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:55 pm

Lol...

nono what I mean is this has been brought up by plenty of rewilding theorists before and the consensus is that even if everyone were to want to change their ways there would not be enough land for the amount of people currently inhabiting the planet.

i.e. there needs to be a huge population reduction and most of us who are already aware of what's going on around us know that this is going to happen anyway. That's why most anarcho-primitivists when asked about how it would ever happen just say that they're waiting.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:57 pm

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Lol...

nono what I mean is this has been brought up by plenty of rewilding theorists before and the consensus is that even if everyone were to want to change their ways there would not be enough land for the amount of people currently inhabiting the planet.

i.e. there needs to be a huge population reduction and most of us who are already aware of what's going on around us know that this is going to happen anyway. That's why most anarcho-primitivists when asked about how it would ever happen just say that they're waiting.

What I speak of isn't for the multitude but rather only a select number of individuals.

Fuck the multitude. They will always choose slavery over their own independence anyways.

They always have. History is a testament to that.

The multitude doesn't concern me.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:49 pm

The modern domesticated human wants only comfort and to not have to struggle that hard. Pain is looked at as 'bad' and I think that's the greatest deception ever sold.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:52 pm

People like professor anton argue against cruelty & hatred and so on but in doing so don't consider how we came to be...

He says we need to somehow 'step over' our need for identity, and yet the only way to have identity is through distinction and this requires a great deal of suffering to all parties involved. Evolution is a violent pushing aside, not a gentle sinking in...that's mediocrity and always an indication of decadence.

Life feeds on life, and no matter what you do you are killing other organisms big or small. If you want to revert back to a literal vegetative state, then your food supply will be more than obliged to follow.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:57 pm

He thinks that humanity can be saved. From itself. In other words "corrected" to conform to an ideal state.

Do you see now how christianity has morphed into liberalism/secular humanism?

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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:14 pm

Anton is a dogmatic atheist.

Evidence of how atheism is the new christianity---again, it's not about what's being passed around. It's about whatever trend swoops the masses into believing they're hip shit ^___-
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:01 pm

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He thinks that humanity can be saved. From itself. In other words "corrected" to conform to an ideal state.

Do you see now how christianity has morphed into liberalism/secular humanism?

Bingo.

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Poison: The modern domesticated human wants only comfort and to not have to struggle that hard. Pain is looked at as 'bad' and I think that's the greatest deception ever sold.

It is.

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People like professor anton argue against cruelty & hatred and so on but in doing so don't consider how we came to be...

He says we need to somehow 'step over' our need for identity, and yet the only way to have identity is through distinction and this requires a great deal of suffering to all parties involved. Evolution is a violent pushing aside, not a gentle sinking in...that's mediocrity and always an indication of decadence.

Life feeds on life, and no matter what you do you are killing other organisms big or small. If you want to revert back to a literal vegetative state, then your food supply will be more than obliged to follow.

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Anton is a dogmatic atheist.

Evidence of how atheism is the new christianity---again, it's not about what's being passed around. It's about whatever trend swoops the masses into believing they're hip shit ^___-

Well to be more precise this Anton character is a atheistic secular humanist which even with the atheist part of it the socialistic side of all of that is very christian like with all it's various underpinnings.

Like how Apaosha was discussing the ideal state of existence.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:46 pm

To be precise, definitions are what we have far too much of.

Define 'Christianity'.

Is it really what you see in american churches?

Do any of you really study any farther than the outer surface? What you call a modern day christian is on average a completely fake, and uneducated sheep; the Bible is actually an intricate map of a hidden past. Those quick to judge are not the seekers it is meant for.

Every verse is full of alternative meanings, numerical values, complex puzzles....
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:53 pm

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Anton is a dogmatic atheist.

Evidence of how atheism is the new christianity---again, it's not about what's being passed around. It's about whatever trend swoops the masses into believing they're hip shit ^___-

Did I say atheism was the new christianity? I said liberalism/secular humanism. This guy is a product of his time. Used and abused.

It's the values that are important here. Whether the overaching enforcer of these values is a supernatural deity or the State is immaterial.

A universal brotherhood to which all identify, that all merit respect because they exist, that all are equal before god (or the State), that the meek shall inherit the earth, that excellence is shameful as it implies an irreperable unfairness as the very basis of all human interaction, also selfishness as it indicates a disregard for your fellow man (as if everybody is worthy of the consideration you'd give yourself or a close friend or family), that each individual is by default inherently flawed and must be cured through conforming to an ideal - this last is the most crucial.

They're both slave moralities. They appeal to the downtrodden, the disaffected, the outcasts. It's a justification and an excuse for ressentiment.
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PostSubject: Re: Peace sorta sucks Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:33 pm

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