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PostSubject: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:13 pm

I think if time travel was possible that eternal reoccurence would only be proven all the more.

I'm not sure of the arguements for the possibility of time travel in that I haven't read any yet or been into the subject all that much but I would think that if time travel was possible that would only be evidence in the circular nature of time when it concerns describing existence as a eternal circular looped stream.

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Time travel is the concept of moving between different points in time in a manner analogous to moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or in some cases just information) backwards in time to some moment before the present, or sending objects forward from the present to the future without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at the normal rate).

Although time travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible, given the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox), as well as gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards time travel.

Any technological device, whether fictional or hypothetical, that is used to achieve time travel is commonly known as a time machine.

Some interpretations of time travel also suggest that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a parallel universe whose history would begin to diverge from the traveler's original history after the moment the traveler arrived in the past.

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Maybe you have not understood what eternal recurrence means.

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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:17 pm

Σατυρ wrote:
Maybe you have not understood what eternal recurrence means.

I have a idea of what it means.

What does it mean to you?
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Whatever it means, it has nothing to do with time travel.

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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:28 pm

Σατυρ wrote:
Whatever it means, it has nothing to do with time travel.

It could if said eternal reoccurence had to do with the fundamentals of the cosmos when it concerns eternity and time.

Again, what do you think it is?
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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:39 pm

The concept as it was used by Nietzsche, had two aspects to it.

One, it was a test of self-acceptance, and world-acceptance.
To wish to relive one's own life, exactly in the same way, over and over again.

Two, it was an indication that if the universe is recreated over and over again in many different ways then amongst these is the repetition of this one.
The same world, experienced by the same person, in exactly the same way.
time travel even if it were possible would have to be included within this repetition, creating all sorts of paradoxes, because time-travel is the changing of the past, not its repetition.

Now, I'm not convinced that the second part was in Nietzsche mind because I can't recall him ever stating that he believed in anything approaching a beginning and an end.
If the universe repeats itself then it is part of one continuum.
In order for it to be exactly the same then you would have no recollection of it ever repeating, making the entire thing into mind-candy with no relevance.

Having said that, if you can explain how man can decrease universal entropy, at will, or where he would find the energies this would require, then I can entertain the theory, otherwise it's another one of those distractions which pretends to say something while saying nothing...like "Is there a God?"

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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:44 pm

Σατυρ wrote:
The concept as it was used by Nietzsche, had two aspects to it.

One, it was a test of self-acceptance, and world-acceptance.
To wish to relive one's own life, exactly in the same way, over and over again.

Two, it was an indication that if the universe is recreated over and over again in many different ways then amongst these is the repetition of this one.
The same world, experienced by the same person, in exactly the same way.
time travel even if it were possible would have to be included within this repetition, creating all sorts of paradoxes, because time-travel is the changing of the past, not its repetition.

Now, I'm not convinced that the second part was in Nietzsche mind because I can't recall him ever stating that he believed in anything approaching a beginning and an end.
If the universe repeats itself then it is part of one continuum.
In order for it to be exactly the same then you would have no recollection of it ever repeating, making the entire thing into mind-candy with no relevance.

Having said that, if you can explain how man can decrease universal entropy, at will, or where he would find the energies this would require, then I can entertain the theory, otherwise it's another one of those distractions which pretends to say something while saying nothing...like "Is there a God?"

Well when I think of time travel I think of Einstein's position that one can only travel through the future but if cyclical time theory or eternal reoccurence is correct then eventually travelling through the future you would only end up in the same present again being that time itself would be a eternal loop and singular stream.

Yes it is a sort of a unprovable distraction to entertain but I do find it a interesting one of which I always like to think about.


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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyWed Aug 24, 2011 9:54 pm

Also when I think of entropy I think of energy folding back or fourth inside of itself in constant expansion and exhaustion.

The energy exhausts to be sure collapsing in on itself and withers but at the last second of existing it expands again repeating the whole process.

The cosmos when it concerns cosmic energies is certainly large enough to complete such a repetitive feat.
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PostSubject: Re: Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. Time travel And Eternal Reoccurence. EmptyThu Aug 25, 2011 4:53 pm

TheJoker wrote:
Well when I think of time travel I think of Einstein's position that one can only travel through the future but if cyclical time theory or eternal reoccurence is correct then eventually travelling through the future you would only end up in the same present again being that time itself would be a eternal loop and singular stream.

It is an allegory asking the reader what manner of life you would lead should you be doomed to relive your current life, down to the minutest detail, for eternity.

It encourages self-evaluation.

Generally ones reaction to it is revealing.

The relevance to the Ubermensch is that the Ubermensch would be such as would see this as not a doom but a blessing.

This question does not deserve a frivolous answer. It measures your state of self-satisfaction. If you are honest.

The metaphysical aspect, as has been pointed out, is irrelevant.
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