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PostSubject: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:09 am

If it is a psychiatric problem a person well talk about it more openly, society thinks it is ok; that it isn't your fault.
If it is a psychological problem a person is afraid to talk about it more openly, society thinks it is wrong; that it has to be your fault.

My position: how can a psychological problem be any more one's fault? Our behavior is conditioned by our up-bringing quite more then our mental issues are a result of our genetics. Yes the genetics influence us but upbringing and psychological issues seem to be often more of the problem then other things. For example anxiety can often be fixed by self-conditioning, discussion, self-relaxation and/or meditation, whatever psychological issue. A person has little control over being anxious, and while they may have had a genetic state of mind that was apt to such, or that naturally lead to such, most often it can be repaired by psychology. But then people have to admit to themselves that it is a psychological issue, they have to realize that there mode of thinking is the primary cause. But people are made afraid by societies mainstream ideals, influenced to a degree by drug companies, so that they won't let themselves think that a problem is psychological. If a person cannot accept that a problem is psychological then they cannot change themselves to grow past the problem. Because of this mainstream mode of thought more and more people rely on the "quick fix", not because they think it is a quick fix (some do but that is still largely a psychological issue), but because they are lead into thinking that there problem is genetic thus psychiatric, by natural resistance to admitting self failure. When the idea that a psychological issue is a self failure is itself a psychological issue. I do not like pharmaceutical companies Sam I am. I do not like there spoiled green eggs and ham. Though a fair amount is not just them but them also being of people who themselves are drug under by the current sociological conundrum of thinking that allows people to fall into thinking that they don't need to work on themselves because all their problems are natural and genetic. But then those of less money who get in a position like this are forced into a situation where it is cheaper to just get the drugs, or so it seems, because they think psychological issues can't be fixed or take more time and such and the insurance covers more for "needed" drugs, though drugs often need to be takin the whole life, and even if not, it is better to work on the self and grow past, not be made to ignore and thus overcome.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:34 am

How is a psychiatric problem not a psychological problem? Also, considering there's a pill for nearly everything these days, how aren't psychological problems also treatable through a pill?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:47 pm

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How is a psychiatric problem not a psychological problem? Also, considering there's a pill for nearly everything these days, how aren't psychological problems also treatable through a pill?
I would think a psychiatric problem was one that "required" medication. A psychological one that did not require medication. Psychological problems are treatable through the pill I was trying to say that they do not need to be and are more effectively treated by means of overcoming the issue without. brain chemistry is a matter of thought, though itself alters the brain chemistry. One does not necessarily need to take a pill they can alter the mode of thinking and thus alter their mode of brain chemistry. it can be cheaper, and is long term.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:00 pm

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WW III ANGRY wrote:
How is a psychiatric problem not a psychological problem? Also, considering there's a pill for nearly everything these days, how aren't psychological problems also treatable through a pill?
I would think a psychiatric problem was one that "required" medication. A psychological one that did not require medication. Psychological problems are treatable through the pill I was trying to say that they do not need to be and are more effectively treated by means of overcoming the issue without. brain chemistry is a matter of thought, though itself alters the brain chemistry. One does not necessarily need to take a pill they can alter the mode of thinking and thus alter their mode of brain chemistry. it can be cheaper, and is long term.
I don't think you know what the difference is then between psychiatry and psychology, can you care to explain it as you see it?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:45 pm

I meant to say:

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I would think a psychiatric problem was one that could "require" medication. A psychological one that did not require medication. Psychological problems are treatable through the pill. I was trying to say that they do not need to be and are more effectively treated by means of overcoming the issue without. brain chemistry is a matter of thought, though itself alters the brain chemistry. One does not necessarily need to take a pill they can alter the mode of thinking and thus alter their mode of brain chemistry. it can be cheaper, and is long term.

Here is how i am using the words:

Psychiatry is the study of treatment of mental issues by means of chemical intervention.
Psychology is the study of the treatment of mental issues by means of discussion (basically).

So when I say a psychiatric problem, i just mean one that people often go to a psychiatrist for help with...pretty much

Perhaps I could have been more explicit.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:56 pm

No, but that at least explains your op, so that now makes sense. Psychiatry is the practice and study of psychological issues as well as medicine that is used to combat those issues. Psychology is psychiatry minus the medicine. Psychologists cannot prescribe medication however can provide therapy through discussion and other non medicinal means, psychiatrists can do that as well as perceive medication. Now with that you would be able to understand my initial response to your thread. Make sense?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:06 pm

WW III ANGRY wrote:
No, but that at least explains your op, so that now makes sense. Psychiatry is the practice and study of psychological issues as well as medicine that is used to combat those issues. Psychology is psychiatry minus the medicine. Psychologists cannot prescribe medication however can provide therapy through discussion and other non medicinal means, psychiatrists can do that as well as perceive medication. Now with that you would be able to understand my initial response to your thread. Make sense?
No i figured that interpretation of it...I was aware of most of those official definitions...except I must question whther all psychiatrists are as well studied in the non-medicinal approaches as a normal psychologist of same time-spent education.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:36 pm

I have lots of anxiety and I love it. People are way too slow for me. Those that call anxiety a problem can go fuck themselves.

Anxiety is energy and life. A kind of bursting out of your skin.

There are not enough people like that..

They're all slow and the same....

They disgust me.....
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:00 am

Oh...might I add a side of crazy and ready to blow at any moment?

I guess that isn't really anxiety.

It's just crazy.

And there is no cure for crazy.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:43 am

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WW III ANGRY wrote:
No, but that at least explains your op, so that now makes sense. Psychiatry is the practice and study of psychological issues as well as medicine that is used to combat those issues. Psychology is psychiatry minus the medicine. Psychologists cannot prescribe medication however can provide therapy through discussion and other non medicinal means, psychiatrists can do that as well as perceive medication. Now with that you would be able to understand my initial response to your thread. Make sense?
No i figured that interpretation of it...I was aware of most of those official definitions...except I must question whther all psychiatrists are as well studied in the non-medicinal approaches as a normal psychologist of same time-spent education.

I think psychologists are better at non medicinal approaches.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:44 am

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Oh...might I add a side of crazy and ready to blow at any moment?

I guess that isn't really anxiety.

It's just crazy.

And there is no cure for crazy.

Anti-psychotics?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:52 pm

No.

I've tried them.

Only makes me feel like drooling on myself...and I do.

Wouldn't stop me from taking a gun a shooting out a building.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:56 pm

But is that crazy?

I need help classifying my case here.

It's a mix between anger, frustration, and not caring.... :/

I don't believe it's curable. Psychopath is a natural mentality.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:59 pm

I don't know, but psychopaths shouldn't feel any anger or frustration. You can't not care and also be angry and frustrated about things.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:06 pm

I guess you're right.

What I mean is, I am always in the mood to destroy things and I could say it's for no reason but that makes no sense.

I could think of plenty of reasons to be angry and frustrated over the state of affairs in the world, and develop a sense of need for my attitude towards it. I really don't have a valid reason to hurt anyone, though.

I remember once I was at a bus station and brimming with this need to just....kill. To kill everything in sight....

But it wasn't rational, and obviously since I had no weapons it wouldn't have happened...

I only know that I'm very capable of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:09 pm

I have serious issues connecting with people....on any level. It is easy for me to view them as moving, living, breathing parasites in the way of my being.


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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:14 pm

Poison IV wrote:
No.

I've tried them.

Only makes me feel like drooling on myself...and I do.

Wouldn't stop me from taking a gun a shooting out a building.

Hey I've tried them too. Drooling on yourself is pretty surprising wasn't it Smile. There are alot of anti-psychotics though, not all work for everyone, but there could be one for you. Or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:15 pm

Poison IV wrote:
But is that crazy?

I need help classifying my case here.

It's a mix between anger, frustration, and not caring.... :/

I don't believe it's curable. Psychopath is a natural mentality.

Is that crazy? Not necessarily no.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:15 pm

No.

I refuse to take medication.

There is nothing wrong with me.

There is something wrong with everyone else.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:16 pm

Poison IV wrote:
I have serious issues connecting with people....on any level. It is easy for me to view them as moving, living, breathing parasites in the way of my being.



Whatever floats your boat. I had a similar stage. What are you in your early 20's?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:17 pm

They aren't stages....

I have felt this way my whole life....

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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Poison IV wrote:
They aren't stages....

I have felt this way my whole life....

You've wanted to kill people since you were 5?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:40 pm

You were born at 5?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:20 pm

MonoExplosion wrote:
You were born at 5?

Do you remember when you were 8 months old?
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:37 pm

No, it was a weak joke. Poison said she was like it her whole life. She exaggerated. I just exaggerated a possible reading of what you wrote. No harm intended.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:41 pm

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No, it was a weak joke. Poison said she was like it her whole life. She exaggerated. I just exaggerated a possible reading of what you wrote. No harm intended.

Damnit, I was just beginning to plot a scorched earth campaign against you of biblical proportions.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:26 pm

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I have lots of anxiety and I love it. People are way too slow for me. Those that call anxiety a problem can go fuck themselves.

Anxiety is energy and life. A kind of bursting out of your skin.

There are not enough people like that..

They're all slow and the same....

They disgust me.....
Perhaps you have a deffinition of anxiety differnt then many because many identify your behavior with the word anxiety... I am quite active myself and people say not to be so worried. but i am not worried, I am just actively considering...there is a difference...I would not call it anxiety, to me that implies "concern that is not appreciated by oneself"
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:27 pm

Poison IV wrote:

And there is no cure for crazy.
A little Mary jane can help...sometimes it makes it worse but in that case it makes less relevant when not high...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:39 pm

Poison IV wrote:
But is that crazy?

I need help classifying my case here.

It's a mix between anger, frustration, and not caring.... :/

I don't believe it's curable. Psychopath is a natural mentality.
As long as it is pleasant to the self and doesn't induce situations that prevent one from being happy it is hard to call it a problem.

Anger can be a means of expression but I would think is worth practicing avoidance of IF it prevents the self from focusing and thus functioning. But generally it reduces overall functionality due to the resistance it causes in communication and thus persuasion...generally

frustration is a state not worth it i would think simply in that it consumes time where one can be achieving their goals more efficiently.

Anti-psychotics are a waste. I was on geodone for a while and that made me so tired and so...very...very...very...very...very board of being board, i could feel like breathing at one point... zyprexia was less but it is still makes one tired, and they all encourage weight gain. And ultimately they completely hide one's creative side. So I started smoking dope, and then realized it was a waste to be taking one drug and another to counter act it... So I quit them all... It better to just avoid all drugs but it requires getting one's mentality straight, finding ways of fitting and using or directing their "inspirations" to what aids growth and achievement of interests... but then underlying psychological thoughts often prevent certain states of mind that balance things...and thus a actual psychologist helps..problem is that many of the people, especially those who are considered "psychotic" are smarter then the psychologists they get placed with...to a degree, but nonetheless even a simple psychologists has things that are worth considering...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:55 pm

Poison IV wrote:
No.

I refuse to take medication.

There is nothing wrong with me.

There is something wrong with everyone else.
If wrong exists, There is something wrong with everyone. It helps to ignore the flaws, and work with the capacities. Learning to ignore them involves recognizing or believing they do not matter so much, or that allowing them to bother doesn't help...

But good, I wouldn't take medication, it is probably a waste for the most part... temporarily it might come in handy, it depends on the severity of the case I would imagine, if one is completely incapable of over coming their processes then I think it might be reasonable...generally people can and will, given enough time. taking the drug holds back progress in many cases.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:20 pm

Abstract wrote:
Poison IV wrote:

And there is no cure for crazy.
A little Mary jane can help...sometimes it makes it worse but in that case it makes less relevant when not high...

Anything to block the cell phone towers and temporarily get my brain back. My emotions are being played like ping pong.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:25 pm

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As long as it is pleasant to the self and doesn't induce situations that prevent one from being happy it is hard to call it a problem.

Anger can be a means of expression but I would think is worth practicing avoidance of IF it prevents the self from focusing and thus functioning. But generally it reduces overall functionality due to the resistance it causes in communication and thus persuasion...generally

frustration is a state not worth it i would think simply in that it consumes time where one can be achieving their goals more efficiently.

Anti-psychotics are a waste. I was on geodone for a while and that made me so tired and so...very...very...very...very...very board of being board, i could feel like breathing at one point... zyprexia was less but it is still makes one tired, and they all encourage weight gain. And ultimately they completely hide one's creative side. So I started smoking dope, and then realized it was a waste to be taking one drug and another to counter act it... So I quit them all... It better to just avoid all drugs but it requires getting one's mentality straight, finding ways of fitting and using or directing their "inspirations" to what aids growth and achievement of interests... but then underlying psychological thoughts often prevent certain states of mind that balance things...and thus a actual psychologist helps..problem is that many of the people, especially those who are considered "psychotic" are smarter then the psychologists they get placed with...to a degree, but nonetheless even a simple psychologists has things that are worth considering...

I'm still trying to figure out what you said. It sounds like nothing so it's really hard...

You're beginning to sound like a psychologist.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:41 pm

Poison IV wrote:
Abstract wrote:
As long as it is pleasant to the self and doesn't induce situations that prevent one from being happy it is hard to call it a problem.

Anger can be a means of expression but I would think is worth practicing avoidance of IF it prevents the self from focusing and thus functioning. But generally it reduces overall functionality due to the resistance it causes in communication and thus persuasion...generally

frustration is a state not worth it i would think simply in that it consumes time where one can be achieving their goals more efficiently.

Anti-psychotics are a waste. I was on geodone for a while and that made me so tired and so...very...very...very...very...very board of being board, i could feel like breathing at one point... zyprexia was less but it is still makes one tired, and they all encourage weight gain. And ultimately they completely hide one's creative side. So I started smoking dope, and then realized it was a waste to be taking one drug and another to counter act it... So I quit them all... It better to just avoid all drugs but it requires getting one's mentality straight, finding ways of fitting and using or directing their "inspirations" to what aids growth and achievement of interests... but then underlying psychological thoughts often prevent certain states of mind that balance things...and thus a actual psychologist helps..problem is that many of the people, especially those who are considered "psychotic" are smarter then the psychologists they get placed with...to a degree, but nonetheless even a simple psychologists has things that are worth considering...

I'm still trying to figure out what you said. It sounds like nothing so it's really hard...

You're beginning to sound like a psychologist.
I'm not...But I like anthropology and so i do not avoid discussing my thoughts on the subject. Though it seems I have said what you have been saying about yourself before, and had many of the thoughts you seem to be expressing...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:11 pm

Umm

sure...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:44 pm

Abstract wrote:
If it is a psychiatric problem a person well talk about it more openly, society thinks it is ok; that it isn't your fault.
If it is a psychological problem a person is afraid to talk about it more openly, society thinks it is wrong; that it has to be your fault.
I don't think this is the case - though it depends on what subculture you are in. Psychiatry is organized to deal with problems seen as physiological and tends towards a biochemical response. IOW you could see people who go to psychiatrists as having innate problems. Psychology deals via communication with problems that could be seen more to be on the end of nurture created problems - trauma, abuse, neglect, etc - and then also just problems dealing with society, relationships, work, etc., because of either nature or nurture causes.

Which is worse - to be a creature that has an innate problem to have a problem caused, at least in part, by experiences?

I think in many subcultures people are much more comfortable saying they see a therapist/psychologist than admitting they see a psychiatrist.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:47 am

MonoExplosion wrote:
I don't know, but psychopaths shouldn't feel any anger or frustration. You can't not care and also be angry and frustrated about things.
They don't care how you feel, but they still want what they want and can get frustrated. And they sure as shit can get angry. Just as other people do car doors and mosquitoes.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:56 am

Poison IV wrote:
Umm

sure...

I should add:

"Though it seems I have said what you have been saying about yourself before" about myself.

encase that was unclear...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:03 am

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Abstract wrote:
If it is a psychiatric problem a person well talk about it more openly, society thinks it is ok; that it isn't your fault.
If it is a psychological problem a person is afraid to talk about it more openly, society thinks it is wrong; that it has to be your fault.
I don't think this is the case - though it depends on what subculture you are in. Psychiatry is organized to deal with problems seen as physiological and tends towards a biochemical response. IOW you could see people who go to psychiatrists as having innate problems. Psychology deals via communication with problems that could be seen more to be on the end of nurture created problems - trauma, abuse, neglect, etc - and then also just problems dealing with society, relationships, work, etc., because of either nature or nurture causes.

Which is worse - to be a creature that has an innate problem to have a problem caused, at least in part, by experiences?

I think in many subcultures people are much more comfortable saying they see a therapist/psychologist than admitting they see a psychiatrist.
it does seem people are avoidant of mentioning the psychiatric issues, but it seems that they are avoidant of discussing the psychological as well. Yet i feel that people tend to go for the idea that their problem is one that is innate rather then one that is a matter of an issue with the way they are thinking about the world...
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:52 am

In a determinist universe or cosmos, how can personal responsibility and accountability exist?


I think that would be a more effective question here.

If free will and freedom are a delicious illusions much like how the determinists say that they are then there really is no such thing as willing independent choice.

Without free will personal responsibility and accountability means nothing.

Therefore Abstract nothing would be anybody's fault at all as they were already determined to act out the way that they did.
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WWWIII: How is a psychiatric problem not a psychological problem? Also, considering there's a pill for nearly everything these days, how aren't psychological problems also treatable through a pill?

The fundamental flaw of psychiatry is that it views everything to have a solution, cure, and treatment.

Another flaw is where psychiatry views there to be a problem or conflict where in all actuality there are none at all.

Some have said this is the effect of fictionally creating problems and cures for what otherwise didn't exist at all.

Of course this really is no surprise once you understand the history of psychiatry in how it has replaced the old role of the priesthood in regulating all social reality on whimsical fantasy ideals of nonstop constant moralizing.
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PostSubject: Re: Psychology...Psychiatry? Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:24 pm

Abstract wrote:
Poison IV wrote:
Umm

sure...

I should add:

"Though it seems I have said what you have been saying about yourself before" about myself.

encase that was unclear...

Nope.

Still makes no sense What a Face

Becuz you sound like a psychologist.
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