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PostSubject: Re: If a cow why not a baby Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:28 pm

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I would think that typically it being a part of a woman's body is an argument against abortion legalization it is not something against abortion. Depends on who you are talking to...
it's an argument for a woman's right to abort if she wants. That it is her decision and a part of her that is in question.
So I should have at least the right to eat my self. I guess...
Bite your fingernails, drink your urine. Probably somewhere it is illegal to, say, eat your own liver, but I doubt you would stand trial unless you did it in front of children.
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PostSubject: Re: If a cow why not a baby Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:05 pm

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I think it is reasonable for one to do what is more close to the self first.
I am more interested specifically as to why people think abortions are wrong on moral level, as to see given that moral thinking if it fairly should apply to other animals... so as to identify a hypocrisy if there is one.
OK. So you are, in a sense, trying to get the antiabortionists to be consistent about right to life. (I am sure this is an oversimplification, but just to make sure I follow).

Most people are speciesist and certaintly the bulk of the most vocal antiabortionists have the Abrahamic prejudice against animals, that they are for us, that they do not have souls. The Muslims have the kindest rules, where the halal death of the animal is attempting to be as considerate as possible - their solutions are not great but that is the stated intent. But we are not animals, are special in creation in these views and so we do not have to be consistent. It is not intelligence that is at issue, it is being human. The fetus is human, therefore it cannot be killed.

Though oddly in some Christianity it must be baptized since it is filled with sin. How it can be wrong to send an entity filled with sin to hell is beyond me - given their beliefs. And if it is wrong - and permanently wrong since hell is forever - why would God places fetus in front of beings with free will who might send them to hell for all time?

I can see letting us be accountable for the errors of our free will, but fetuses?

Very strange religion. There must be gaps in the film of their consciousness to keep them from noticing the ludicrousness.
Anything can be rationalized...
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PostSubject: Re: If a cow why not a baby Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:08 pm

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Anything can be rationalized...
Which is why rationality is not enough.
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PostSubject: Re: If a cow why not a baby Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:20 pm

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Anything can be rationalized...
Which is why rationality is not enough.
Which is why everything comes down to be faith in something...
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PostSubject: Re: If a cow why not a baby Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:25 pm

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Anything can be rationalized...
Which is why rationality is not enough.
Which is why everything comes down to be faith in something...
Or at least must be supported by faith - though I prefer the term intuition, which places the nature of that quality in a black box.
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