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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:40 pm

I will try to start fencing very soon, as I think ill be quite good at it.

Since I have Italic heritage from my father.

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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Wed May 21, 2014 12:23 pm

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"The makiwara forces one to develop his kime (focus) to a high level. Kime is
the focusing of physical and mental energy into a single point at a split second in time followed by an immediate relaxation of muscular contractions. It is a highly cultivated dynamic force in which the summation of joint forces come together at a specific time. Physically the large and small muscle groups contract exactly at the same instant.

Mentally ones mind must not deter or be distracted even for a millisecond otherwise ones total focus of body and mind cannot be used together to create the ultimate impact of the specific technique. An excellent simile is that kime is to a punch or kick as gunpowder is to a bullet. In everyday language it can be said that a person who has kime has the ability of a knockout punch. Kime is not the sole property of karateka alone as modern day boxers most certainly understand this intrinsic energy. Some people believe that certain people are born with this power, but no matter where it comes from kime is the essence of karate.

It is important to realize that the fist along with the wrist is what is developed when striking the straw pad. The wrist and the fist will never develop properly without awareness of making the fist hard through concentration on every muscle in the hand and the sinew in the wrist. Many karate students will waste a great deal of time if they don’t understand that it is the mind that contracts the muscles in the hand to form the fist. A “Fist of Iron” is the result of mentally concentrating on the contraction of every single muscle in your hand, wrist and forearm as well as all the supporting muscle groups from the legs on up during your makiwara training. The phrase “ones own iron will, will win out in the end” is one you should contemplate when training with the makiwara. This shows the relationship between karate and Zen. So in essence, the makiwara is used to train your mind as much as your punch or kick, so that it becomes as hard as steel but yet as flexible and light as the straw that makes up the makiwara pad.

It is the intensity of the concentration that develops ordinary men and women into what a real black belt is, in a real karate dojo. The main method of developing this attitude is the use of the makiwara. Your mind overcomes the pain and the desire to quit and when you overcome these obstacles you become a psychologically stronger person.

Over training in any one area is just as profitless as under training. The makiwara eventually becomes a very personal possession and when used properly develops one’s body into a powerful weapon."

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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:46 pm

Krav Maga is neurotic and devoid of style, I really don't like it.
They have one useful element - "when the way is free, go forward".
This is taken from Wing Chun. My sifu, below, has taught the Israeli military in this principle, but of course there was no time to teach the proper art.



As a military style I think that Systema is unmatched. I find it to be exceptionally useful against bouncers and groups of hostiles.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:47 pm

To Fixed Cross,

I think krav maga is a very functional martial art; it's intended for the brutal reality of street fights, not hollywood BS. The aim of krav maga is to cause as much damage to your opponent in as quick a time as possible, e.g., groin shots, eye gouging, joint snapping, etc. It's a very aggressive and lethal martial art. It may not look pretty, but it works.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:15 pm

I'm just making an observation about style and preference. It seems clear to me that Krav Maga is designed to accommodate Israels unique fighting force which consists of men and women alike. Techniques like groin kicking and eye stabbing are typical techniques that women are taught in self defense classes. The whole principle of damage the opponent before he gets the chance to orient himself suggests a female target group. Legend has it that Wing Chun was also designed for a woman, a young girl in fact, who had to beat back a big man that wanted to marry her.

I'm not saying it doesn't work. It certainly does, it doesn't take much to figure out that kicking someone in the balls causes response time to increase. As effective as it is as a set of techniques. I would not classify KM as a Martial Art, as it doesn't offer any serious means to develop the body, in great contrast to Wing Chun and other fully fledged and mature fighting styles.

But listen, I'm not saying that all Wing Chun being taught would withstand good Krav Maga. Obviously not, all still depends on the warrior and his/her teacher.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:44 am

There's nothing feminine about gouging someone's eyes out, or ripping someone's ears or testicles off, it's primal. When chimpanzees attack, that's what they do, they rearrange your face and testicles. Another vulnerable area is the neck. As we've gotten civilized, the overwhelming majority of us won't engage in such tactics, we don't want to take things to that level, because we don't want to wind up permanently disfigured ourselves, or in jail, but in life/death situations, like war, being outgunned or outnumbered, or if you're facing an enemy or an unknown person alone in the dark, with no one around to break things up, if things go wrong, such tactics might be necessary, get them before they get you.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:11 am

Yes, chimps. I couldn't agree with you more.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:17 am

The idea that manly fighting is more effective than ape-fighting is apparently alien to you. We, men, invented the straight punch. Not because it is more civil, but because it is more powerful. Sure an ape can bite us and kill us in this way, but we, if trained, can ram our first straight through its head. Only men can do this, and only those men that have sophisticated control of their limbs.

In this way we do not have to rely in ape-tactics, even tough, in ground combat, we will instinctively reach for those means of we are on the losing hand. But to exert such tactics pre-emptively only speaks to a lack of power, a strong expectation of losing the fight.

In a standard fighting situation, you're not going to get to someones balls or eyes if he is well trained. Those are the areas men have learned to protect. Your going to have to use his attack as an opening. Manly fighting is like chess, far more difficult to get to the vital parts.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:29 am

Femininity is far closer to animality than Manhood. Manhood is the art of fighting-as-culture. It is a type of fight that does not always prevail but when it does, it commands respect and prevents further attack. You can be pretty sure that if you stab someones eye out you're going to suffer the consequences. But if you knock someone out with a clean strike, you're going to be considered the just protagonist, no matter what the occasion of the fight was. This is how masculine spirit seduces woman -  to enforce ones strength with gift of measure and restraint, this is the promise of stability, sexual satisfaction, and a solid upbringing of children.

Teenagers view masculinity only as the power to overrule. It is however the power to rule over oneself.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:51 am

In evolution as survival in the moment, only the fact that you win matters. In evolution as self-selection and procreation what matters is how you win. This is what separates man from ape and man from other men - man is able to prevail with more than just force - he is able to prevail with style, distinction, character. Perhaps this is even what caused the mutation to occur in the first place. A certain type of victorious fight performed by a strangely powerful ape, by which its audience was uncannily moved, that began to accumulate attraction throughout the ape kingdom and build up a culture of bloodsport. The apes that were capable of winning aesthetically went on to procreate with the fittest females and gradually,  the tradition of walking erect emerged. And speculating towards one of the greater evolutionary riddles - when the ape was full ready to respect himself as a being of culture, he began to shed his hairs, because the other sex began to take interest in seeing the creature naked, the tones of the body. Nature began to look deeper into itself out of a new won trust in itself as desirable, valuable.

To be valued is the ultimate demand of procreation. A woman is the center of procreation, her 'task' is only to be valued. A man is the valuing, who also needs to be of value if he wants to procreate by  having regular and prolonged intercourse instead of rape. In less westernized cultures, it is less important how a man looks, he only needs to provide stability. In the west, the selection process is experimenting and seeing of man can be turned into a kind of woman, an object. It is not given that this will actually work, or that it gives a small percentage of truly secure men an enormous advantage, as he becomes the object of anti-civilized fantasy. The Satyr is such a type of man, who thrives on women who are bored to tears with admiring a mans six-pack and wish to be treated like an indiscriminate whore, to be the pure focus of a pervasive hidden attention she senses both in herself and in the man, her desire becomes to attract so powerfully as to break through the mans masculinity itself and force him back to his animal nature. This desire is caused by the masculinity, by the invisibility of instincts. "A gentleman is a patient wolf" and in all blood-sport, a gentleman is the most impressive victor - it suggests excess of strength, the pre existing knowledge of victory.

And nature is entirely the product of excess, the accumulation of consequences beyond the current states ability to incorporate. Time presses on and pulls forth, we need to grow because all our acts are irreducible to our previous being. To shape and justify this excess-forming process to itself is what man is born for. There is no other choice but exuberant ideals that can never be attained - something must represent the even more exuberant reality that is concretely imaginable but needs to be prepared for.

Freedom is having found a way with excess, it means justification of being-as-growth.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:30 am

There's reasons why we no longer go for the eyes, ears, throat and testicles, but I don't think it has anything to do with the reasons you gave.

There are disadvantages and advantages to "playing dirty", just as there are disadvantages and advantages to "playing fair".
The most affective fighter, would be the one who could throw an accurate punch or kick when need be, and gouge a persons eye balls out when need be, it's all a matter of timing.

There are cultural as well as evolutionary reasons why we no longer play dirty, or fight in general.
As members of the same species, we're relatively equal, in physicality and mentality.
Therefore, violent competition has been partly bred out of us, and whatever violent competitive instincts remain, are largely "corrected" by society, but of course, such conditioning is more affective on some individuals than others.

In primitive societies, what little there remains of them, violent competition occurs much more frequently.
Aside from relative physical and mental equality, being a reason why eye gouging and the like, as well as fighting in general, has been partly bred out, there's a few more points I'd like to bring to your attention.

1. Individuals have learned to cooperate with one another in order to increase their odds of surviving.
You can't work affectively as a group, if half or more of tribesman are gimped, so it pays not to fight too, too hard.
2. Hierarchies, and with them the greater access to females and quantities of meat and so on they afford, can be established without fights to the death, just by sizing each other up, or fighting without resorting to lethal tactics.
3. those who are genetically similar to us (kinfolk), are in some sense, us, they carry many of our genes, and genes have established ways of protecting themselves, by learning to recognize themselves in others, vis. a vis. their hosts.
So these three reasons are why interspecies combat, especially lethal combat, has been reduced, but still occurs, especially in primitive societies, when necessity demands it, like over females, or if food is scarce.

In modernity, fighting in general is frowned upon, as violence has been monopolized by the state, so it's been discouraged, especially more lethal variants of it, and also, competition is less necessary, due to monogamy, and due to an abundance of resources.
These are the real reasons why violence, especially more lethal variants such as testicular tearing, have been discouraged, it has very little or nothing to do with aesthetics, or any such poppycock/flimflam.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:50 pm

I don't think you've contradicted anything I said. It's rather all in support of it.
I think what you have left out of your consideration is that civilization is foremost a matter of bringing procreation further under the principle of the selection of the fittest by the fittest.

It is all refinement, increase of (self-)value. Surely you see that the element of combat is structural to the selection of males.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:09 pm

Rome was built on codes of conduct. Conduct is not simply a derivative of being with many. It is itself  a source of joy and power, and civilization is built on this. The fact that many people come together in great cities has to do with their wish to exalt themselves as much as it has with economic convenience. The two are always related. Man spends his time, an ape does not treat it as consciously and purposefully.
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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:16 am

Our conflicting approaches (rather than the presented acts and observations which do not conflict) is, I think a matte of a general overestimation of the survival aspect and underestimation of the selection aspect.

By the logic of evolution, an organism only needs to survive as long as it takes to procreate. Whether it survives long does not matter, is not a benefit at all if this does not lead to procreation. So we're looking at fitness indicators, which is the basis on which organisms are selected for sex.

Sauwelios wrote an excellent post on fitness indicators and their apparent lack of practical use.

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"Let's begin with the example of the peacock. The peacock's tail--or, more precisely, his train--has no survival value. In fact, it makes him much more prone to attracting the attention of predators. And it costs an enormous amount of energy to grow a splendid train. That energy could have been used to grow survival benefits, for instance for wings with which he could fly higher and longer, or for legs with which he could run faster. Of course, this is not a choice, it's genetic. What a peacock parading his splendid train in effect tells peahens is that he has been able to survive even while being so ostentatiously wasteful: compare the amount of money spent on fireworks for New Year's Eve.

Humans have several such fitness indicators. One that can be seen directly is women's breasts. These mostly consist of fat, which in no way furthers women's ability to produce nutritious milk; a flat-chested woman and one with a D-cup may be equally capable of this. For most of human history, being fat was a fitness indicator, because only the rich, or those who had abundant access to food, could be. By growing breasts, a woman directly associates that abundance with child-rearing.

Humans also have fitness indicators that cannot be seen directly. These are most importantly their large and complex brains--much larger and more complex than would be necessary for mere survival, and enormously costly energy-wise--and their "big hearts"--which are also located in their brains, and not in the blood-pumping muscles in their chests. As these cannot be seen directly, they must display themselves through great feats of creativity and intelligence and great gestures of magnanimity and sympathy." [source thread]

Mans ways fighting must have developed as fitness indicators at the same time as ways to survive. It must have functioned as an elements of attraction, a ways to be selected. This is the second essential criterium of natural selection - the capacity to be selected, to be valued. We need both survival (capacity to value in terms of self-value, to continue to exist) and selection (capacity to be valued in terms of someones self-value, existence to others.

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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:11 am

The human brain has become its own worse enemy.
In more austere (natural) environments where uncertainty, anxiety/fear, necessitated a level of awareness that exceeded that of other species - as the specialized trait of the human species - the brain's high costs of development and maintenance were worth paying.

The brain's success made its powers superfluous - leisure, resulting in ennui, being the result.
Schopenhauer describes the human condition as oscillating between anxiety/fear and ennui...both different kinds of stresses - one external in origin (brain projecting possibilities - need focusing on object/objectives), and the other internal (brain unable to discharge excess energies due to a lack of an object/objective).

The latter become what we call libidinal energies, evolving in the human species as sexual desire.
Later it developed into the artistic disposition: in the absence of a focus, an object/objective, the mind creates and projects one.
The difference between internally produced and externally produced needs can be perceived here in relation to the nervous system.
One is a product of lack, seeking completion outward, and the other of excess, seeking to discharge itself....the latter being the byproduct of the former.
Once more success producing the conditions of its own degradation.
If the organisms' struggles to appropriate energies, to maintain itself, are successful, it accumulates superfluous energies which then pressure it to be expelled.
The last is what Nietzsche called overflowing.

The process is direction, using the neural network.
One integrates external resources - including data - the other discharges the appropriated resources, either in the form of unusable toxins (excrement), or in the form of excess energies organized into cells, energies, ideas, abstractions etc.
In the first case the movement is inward; in the second it is outward.
Lack absorbs, accumulates, and then overflows if it is successful with its integrations and their application.

The brain, as a tool, proved to be so successful, and flexible, compared to other specialized forms of survival, that it produced the conditions of its own superfluity (mechanization, institutionalization, ritualization, order (predictable, repetitive patterns of interactivity, and so on.
The result was ennui.
A huge brain with no application.
Art, imagination, are ways of expelling all this excess brain-power - evolved to serve as a tool within more uncertain, challenging environmental conditions.

It's why feminization becomes the new idea(l), and why nihilism (Modernity) becomes the most effective form of social harmonization.

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Pontic Greek Fighters, ca. 1910.

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PostSubject: Re: Martial Arts Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:49 pm

Not sure what happened to my old boxing thread; will have to create another one at some time.

This video was recorded about a little less than a year ago. It's on my old youtube channel.

I train all out, nothing held back. On the heavy bag, during the last 20 seconds of each round, I let my hands go entirely; I put every ounce of power, strength, and speed into my punches. Berserker rage.

It doesn't look pretty, but it gets the job done.

The main thing I emphasize in my training is ferocity, intensity.



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