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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyMon Jun 04, 2012 8:15 am

Schopenhauer wrote:
"The genuine religion of the Jews … is the crudest of all religions (die roheste aller Religionen.) The ongoing contempt for Jews, amidst their contemporary peoples, may have been to a large degree due to the squalid (armsälig) qualities of their religion. ... In any case the essence of any religion consists, as such, in its persuasion that it provides for us, namely that our actual existence is not only limited to our life, but that it remains timeless. The appalling (erbärmlich) Jewish region does not fulfil this; indeed, it does not even try to. ... Therefore, this is the crudest and the worst of all religions consisting only in an absurd and outrageous (empörend) theism. ... While all other religions endeavour to explain to the people by symbols and parables the metaphysical significance of life, the religion of the Jews is entirely immanent and furnishes nothing but a mere war-cry (Kriegsgeschrei) in the struggle with other nations." [Parerga, pp. 136–137].

Schopenhauer and his relevance to the post-modern hyperreality and victim culture:


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"Pareto, as a valiant disciple of Schopenhauer’s methods, notes that "many people are not socialists because they have been persuaded by reasoning. Quite the contrary; these people acquiesce to such reasoning because they are (already) socialists."

The process that started with the abstraction of the objective, as a result of the mass media, has ended now in integral reality, as the postmodern author Jean Baudrillard writes.  The virtual itself is “negationist,” or denial-prone. The virtual takes away the substance of the real. “We are living in a society of historical denial by virtue of its virtuality.”

Disbelief reigns everywhere, even if there are solid and empirical proofs of the opposite. No longer is some historical or political event perceived as “real” or truthful. For instance the memory of the Holocaust functions today as the largest civic religion of the West. The Holocaust is a system of belief serving not only a commemorative goal; it is also a cognitive paradigm for interpreting all aspects of our contemporary society. The issue, however, is no longer the body count of people who died in the Holocaust; rather, the issue is the fact that the postmodern virtual world by definition minimizes or maximizes the hyperreal at the expense of the real.  

This rule of the hyperreal or the double applies now to all grand narratives, especially those teeming with victimological themes. Even honest historians or social theorists can no longer be taken as real.  Why? The big postmodern question will immediately start hovering over their heads: What if that guy is telling the lies? What if he does not tell the truth? Victimologies, and victimhoods no longer sound persuasive as they have found their media hyper-substitutes, which either re-enact, or deactivate the real past crime.  

Therefore, the modern media and politicians must make post-prophylactic political decisions in a desperate attempt to dismantle the previous real, i.e., the previous bad decision, the previous inaction by making it up to the real victim with an overkill of repenting rhetoric and post-prophylactic decision making (massive security checks at airports, always new mass commemorations, etc). If the lives of the masses of people who perished cannot be restored, let us restore their memory by the hyperreal media! Why resuscitate the living, when the resuscitation of the dead is a far better business?  

The disadvantage of living in the real world is that life in it is drab, frightening, or boring; the advantage of the “doubled” life lies not only in the fact that such life does not exist, but that such life doesn’t even have to exist in order for us to believe it to be true and real! In other words, this desire for a spectral world is not so much a desire for something different, as it is a desire to get rid of the real world.  

Who are the new paradigms or role models of our hyperreal postmodernity? Once upon a time the role model for Western man was a rugged individual, a Prometheus unbound, a war hero, a conqueror like Cortez, Columbus, or General Lee. Today the will for the hyperreal requires his double or his denial, or better yet the “doubled denial.”  As a result, the new role models for the West are the degenerates, the retards, the non-Whites, the pederasts, the pathetic and the perverts. Baudrillard: “The Courtier was the most remarkable figure of the aristocratic order. The Militant was the most remarkable figure of the social and revolutionary order. The Penitent is the most remarkable figure of our advanced postmodern democratic politicians.”

Even if real racism and fascism are dead and gone, they need to be resurrected in a negative doubled manner in order to give the mourners an opportunity to repent for the failed duty to prevent it from happening. Never again, never again! — this is a  new war cry of our hyperreal discourse.

This strategy of the hyperreal “never again”, is directed not only at preventing similar events from happening again in the future — as expressed in the forms of a myriad of  memorial centers commemorating the Holocaust. It is also meant to be a tool of unravelling, in a vicarious and imaginary way, of the real past historical disaster that befell the Jews or the non-Whites. Likewise, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are waged today as the post- prophylactic double; indeed, they are not just the wars for stopping the terror; they are the wars for removing the past sins of the political class, which led to the real terror of the dreadful 9/11! The goal is now to retroactively cancel out the inflicted national disgrace and humiliation of the ruling elites. This is why the actual wars and our public discourse all over the West are “non-events”. Never again, never again!    

And this is why the hyperreal or the double are pure illusions. They cannot last."

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 12, 2012 10:57 am

One gleans about the distinction of Hellenism from Hebraism even from a hostile account.
What I note is the latter's pre-occupation with self-salvation and taking the earthly so literally, that no wonder everything concerned with the Hebraic spirit is always so materialistic and existential and psychoanalytic.
Its an addendum to N.'s remark in the AC. that the Jews being too ressentimentally Active were not nihilists themselves, they were the founders of nihilistic movements. To one concerned with self-salvation, the fact that detachment cannot come to characterize the Hebraic spirit like it does the Hellenic, is a valuable observation in our favour.


William Barrett wrote:
"Hebraism contains no eternal realm of essence, which Greek philosophy was to fabricate, through Plato, as affording the intellectual deliverance from the evil of time. Such a realm of eternal essences is possible only for a detached intellect, one who, in Plato's phrase, becomes a "spectator of all time and all existence." This ideal of the philosopher as the highest human type—the theoretical intellect who from the vantage point of eternity can survey all time and existence—is altogether foreign to the Hebraic concept of the man of faith who is passionately committed to his own mortal being. Detachment was for the Hebrew an impermissible state of mind, a vice rather than a virtue; or rather it was something that Biblical man was not yet even able to conceive, since he had not reached the level of rational abstraction of the Greek. His existence was too earth-bound, too laden with oppressive images of mortality, to permit him to experience the philosopher's detachment.

All of this carries us beyond Arnold's simple contrasting of moral man with intellectual man, though his basic distinction isleft intact and in fact deepened. To sum up:

( 1) The ideal man of Hebraism is the man of faith; for Hellenism, at least as it came to ultimate philosophic expression in itstwo greatest philosophers, Plato and Aristotle, the ideal man isthe man of reason, the philosopher who as a spectator of all timeand existence must rise above these.

( 2) The man of faith is the concrete man in his wholeness.Hebraism does not raise its eyes to the universal and abstract; itsvision is always of the concrete, particular, individual man. The Greeks, on the other hand, were the first thinkers in history; they discovered the universal, the abstract and timeless essences, forms, and Ideas. The intoxication of this discovery (which marked noth-ing less than the earliest emergence and differentiation of the ra-tional function) led Plato to hold that man lives only insofar ashe lives in the eternal.

( 3 ) There follows for the Greek the ideal of detachment as the path of wisdom which only the philosopher can tread. The word"theory" derives from the Greek verb theatai, which means to be-hold, to see, and is the root of the word theater. At a theater weare spectators of an action in which we ourselves are not involved.Analogously, the man of theory, the philosopher or pure scientist, looks upon existence with detachment, as we behold spectaclesat the theater; and in this way he exists, to use Kierkegaard's ex-pression, only upon the aesthetic level of existence. The Hebraic emphasis is on commitment, the passionate in-volvement of man with his own mortal being (at once flesh and spirit), with his offspring, family, tribe, and God; a man abstracted from such involvements would be, to Hebraic thought,but a pale shade of the actual existing human person.

(4) The eternal is a rather shadowy concept for the Hebrewexcept as it is embodied in the person of the unknowable andterrible God. For the Greek eternity is something to which manhas ready and continuous access through his intellect.

(5) The Greek invented logic. His definition of man as the ra-tional animal is literally as the logical animal, to zoon logikon; or even more literally the animal who has language, since logic de-rives from the verb legein, which means to say, speak, discourse.
Man is the animal of connected logical discourse. For the Hebrew the status of the intellect is rather typified bythe silly and proud babbling of Job's friends, whose arguments never touch the core of the matter. Intellect and logic are thepride of fools and do not touch the ultimate issues of life, whichtranspire at a depth that language can never reach, the ultimatedepth of faith. Says Job at the end of the Book: "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."

( 6) The Greek pursues beauty and goodness as things that are identical or at least always coincident; in fact he gives them asingle name, the beautiful-and-good, to kalokagathia.
The Hebraic sense of sin, to which Matthew Arnold alludes, is too muchaware of the galling and refractory aspects of human existence tomake this easy identification of the good and the beautiful. Thesense of the sinfulness of Biblical man is the sense of his radicalfinitude in its aspect of imperfection. Hence his good must some-times wear an ugly face, just as beauty for him may be the shiningmask of evil and corruption.

This sketch of a comparison perhaps tilts the balance a littletoo heavily on the side of Hebraism. It is necessary, however, tocorrect the impression left by Matthew Arnold (and he is here aspokesman for a view that is still prevalent) that the main contentof Hebraism is its energy and will toward morality. We have toinsist on a noetic content in Hebraism: Biblical man too had his knowledge, though it is not the intellectual knowledge of theGreek. It is not the kind of knowledge that man can have throughreason alone, or perhaps not through reason at all; he has it ratherthrough body and blood, bones and bowels, through trust andanger and confusion and love and fear; through his passionateadhesion in faith to the Being whom he can never intellectuallyknow. This kind of knowledge a man has only through living, notreasoning, and perhaps in the end he cannot even say what it ishe knows; yet it is knowledge all the same, and Hebraism at itssource had this knowledge." [William Barrett, Irrational Man; p.51]

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 12, 2012 1:14 pm

This explains the Judaic obsession with emotion: love/hate...and how they draw identity from them.
Lyssa wrote:

Its an addendum to N.'s remark in the AC. that the Jews being too ressentimentally Active were not nihilists themselves, they were the founders of nihilistic movements. To one concerned with self-salvation, the fact that detachment cannot come to characterize the Hebraic spirit like it does the Hellenic, is a valuable observation in our favour.
Heisman called this the "Jewish Paradox".
We can say that it's a tactic of inversion. They sell to those they compete against what will guarantee their own victory.
They teach nihilism so as to make their own deficiencies supreme.

It's a method.
Train those you battle against that violence, kin selection, discrimination, ego is reprehensible, make them suffer an automatic reaction to them, and then have your own discrimination, ego, violence, and kin reign over them all. A self-enslaving method that does not even require much overseeing.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 27, 2012 6:48 pm

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Schlomo Sand claims that the Jewish identity is mostly a fabrication....and Artzmon, along with many others, agrees with the idea that modern Jewry is mostly held together by the religion of then holocaust. It is only the horror of the Holocaust and the sense of victimization that the Jew needs which binds different peoples under one title.

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If you have this on PDF can you send it to me?

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 27, 2012 7:52 pm

Satyr wrote:
If you have this on PDF can you send it to me?

Sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 02, 2012 9:51 pm

I'm neither an anti-semite, nor an anti-anti-semite; I'm pro-pagan, and pro-Aryan.

When one points out Real Historical Facts like the Pagan Foundations of Europe and its Incomparable spiritual legacy; one is accused of being jealous and called an anti-semite.
But its interesting how it doesn't stop there.
The new form now includes Vegetarianism and Veganism. If one doesn't eat meat Because the angry god said it was good to sacrifice; one is an Anti-semite! Vegetarians and vegans are Sinners... and Evil.

I place my thoughts on this here since it belongs more to Politics than lifestyle choices or ethics.

In the Pagan Tantric view for example, the delight in the 5 Ms called the 'pancha makaras' - wine, meat, fish, grain, and woman [the sanskrit names of which all begin with M, and hence 5 Ms.]  were ordained for an intermediary classes of beings called "viras" - one dominated by passion and who couldn't control his senses. Sacrifice of Meat and the Enjoyment of it was "Literal" only for such who couldn't rise to the level of beings above him called the Divyas or the Divine-masters for whom the 5 Ms were merely metaphors for a Symbolic Sacrifice corresponding to the five elements of nature;

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"The Mother of the Universe must be worshipped with these five elements, namely, wine, meat, fish, grain, and woman, or their substitutes. By their use the universe itself is used as the article of worship (Upacara). The Mahanirvana (VII. 103-111) says that wine which gives joy and dispels the sorrows of men is Fire; flesh which nourishes and increases the strength of mind and body is Air; fish which increases generative power is Water, cereals grown on earth and which are the basis of life are Earth, and sexual union, which is the root of the world and the origin of all creation, is Ether. They thus signify the Power (Shakti) which produces all...

Thus "wine" may be wine (Vira ritual), or it may be coconut water (Pashu ritual) or it may mean the intoxicating knowledge of the Supreme attained by Yoga, according as it is used in connection with the Vira, the Pashu, or the Divya respectively. The 5 Ms are thus threefold, namely, real where "wine" means wine, substitutional where wine means coconut water or some other liquid, and symbolical or divine where it is a symbol to denote the joy of Yoga-knowledge. The Pashu worships with the substitutional Tattvas mentioned later and never takes wine, the Vira worships with wine, and the Divya's "wine" is spiritual knowledge.

The method borrows, it is said, that of Yoga not to frustrate, but to regulate enjoyment. Conversely enjoyment produces Yoga by the union of body and spirit."
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We note that with the Divyas or the Highest Class representing the domination of the senses, the Sacrifice of meat is not prohobited, but the Sacrifice remains, as on a symbolic level of concordance with nature as an element or as a Real process such as the pursuit of spiritual knowledge taking the place of wine.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 02, 2012 11:15 pm

Love the mockery, but that clearly wasn't the point.
Forgive me for recognizing patterns, trends. And exhibiting a philosophy based on code and morality.

I simply find it interesting that as we move away from these ancient religious texts that dictate the moral guidelines of an upstanding people, we soon fall into a food frenzy consisting of new moral codes and guidelines for what is right and what is wrong...according to a feministic viewpoint. No harm, no violence, no bloodshed....in the name of peace and love, and....health.

They feel no pain; there is nothing left to feel for. They seek justice for the cattle in mass production slave dens, and little do they realize they're living inside its direct reflection. "Feelings" have become no more than defense of modern hedonistic pleasure, how can you hold empathy for another when you live in your own box of fairies and rainbows? Cows come from pens and know no other lifestyle, I'm not saying they don't feel, but to what degree are they feeling their cut losses? So too these naive new age peace lovers more oft than not come from good urban homes, and know very little pain, and very little of what it means to truly give- not the shirt off their backs. They protest for their 'good causes' as it gives them some semblance of identifying with a pain that they cannot experience in their immediate environment. This kind of trend is a fling, a theme of our modern sheltered society. Their care, their defense of the weak and down trodden is fraudulent, as it is only best related to themselves and what they feel they're missing. Inwardly, they too understand their fate on the conveyor belt of industrial slavery. Their lives being reduced to eating slop, or in this case a strict diet of veggies, inside a cage. They practice the nobility of self-denial in a Gandhian sense, but for the sake of a moral enlightenment completely separated and contradictory to what G-d would tell us to do. It is as almost as if it were for the sake of rebellion itself while entirely in-sync with society's overturning, modern idea of what it is to be moral; basically, anything that is non-traditional but still sounds really nice and good in a humanistic, pro-liberal fashion. Anything, as it were, that ever so cleverly disguises our disliking for traditional values, and gives us the title of glory- that of liberal values and equal rights. Love for all of life etc.

After all, the most herd-like of animals do not eat meat...
The animals that G-d instructed us to use for agriculture are to care for, to sheer the wool from and eat the meat thereof...I would rather not be in the position of one of these animals.

We exert our will for a reason, and we have lived at the top of the food chain since the days of Adam for a reason...


This is an age of contradiction, false empathy (charity in Africa or the big red button)....
Peace signs and butterflies...but if you don't follow their rules, these sweet little girls will be the first to chew you up and spit you out.

I've experienced it. Jezebel is a website that's a prime example of what I'm talking about.


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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptySun Sep 02, 2012 11:20 pm

A world become one, of salads and sun- only a fool would say that....
.....
The man on the street, dragging his feet don't wanna hear the bad news....
You do his 9-5, drag yourself home half alive, and there on the screen- a man with a dream

....any man on the street has murder in his eyes
You feel. No. Pain.

And you're younger than you realize....

I heard it was you
Talkin bout a World where all is free
It just couldn't be
And only a fool would say that

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When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive....-(Iris) Goo Goo Dolls
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Oh and in addition to your little quip there about what and what-not to worship (i.e. the G-d of Israel), might I chime in and let you know that I'm really not looking to be worshipped, but that's your perogative.

And I find the parallels of pagans bowing down to grain as compared to the grain that bowed down to Joseph indicating a promise sent from G-d interesting. I would much rather have such a privilege from the high and mighty Creator looking down on me, giving me the rule over life and agriculture, wouldn't you?
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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyMon Sep 03, 2012 9:45 pm

Poison IV wrote:
A world become one, of salads and sun- only a fool would say that....
.....
The man on the street, dragging his feet don't wanna hear the bad news....
You do his 9-5, drag yourself home half alive, and there on the screen- a man with a dream

....any man on the street has murder in his eyes
You feel. No. Pain.

And you're younger than you realize....

I heard it was you
Talkin bout a World where all is free
It just couldn't be
And only a fool would say that

- Steely Dan


Or another favorite of mine:


When everything feels like the movies, yeah, you bleed just to know you're alive....-(Iris) Goo Goo Dolls


Oh and in addition to your little quip there about what and what-not to worship (i.e. the G-d of Israel), might I chime in and let you know that I'm really not looking to be worshipped, but that's your perogative.

And I find the parallels of pagans bowing down to grain as compared to the grain that bowed down to Joseph indicating a promise sent from G-d interesting. I would much rather have such a privilege from the high and mighty Creator looking down on me, giving me the rule over life and agriculture, wouldn't you?


"Someone who eats meat, after honoring the gods and ancestors, when he has bought it, or killed it himself, or has been given it by someone else, does nothing bad. [Laws of Manu; 5.32]"

Aryans never shied away from righteous-"violence"; the difference is we never saw sacrifice or life as a "sin" that could be redeemed with such killing as Judaism does.

To us, there is no 'God' before whom we submit like slaves and who stands apart us; to us, divinity is interconnected in all beings as Blake wrote,

"To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower"

The grain to us IS the world which IS our Self. Everything is a perpetual sacrifice. The grain is the sacrifice of rain and rain is that of the sun and the sun that of the Year and the year that of the divine innate order, a harmony that is our self as well from whose Orderly actions fuels the Year as a self-rolling wheel to turn again...
When we worth-ship this grain, we pay homage to Our Self.

"Let a man worship his Self only as his true state." [Brihad Upanishad]

To the Tantric Divya-class of men, vegetarianism simply meant by-passing all the intermediary stages when it doesn't take meat to be grateful to celebrate your Self; when the sensitivity and awareness is so high... killing animals becomes the self-disciplinary pursuit of killing the symbolic beasts within oneself first and experiencing such self-joy...

Now imagine how some semitic American soldiers in Afghan celebrated eid and the sacrifice of sheep; you bemoaned the loss of violence today, would this do for you?



Is this the kind of activism and protection against animals become a Vicious Threat to Jewish Identity?

While those degenerates do not reflect general jewish behaviour perhaps, what makes you Conclude enforcing animal protection laws, an immediate case of anti-semitism?!


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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 3:13 pm

Lyssa wrote:


Is this the kind of activism and protection against animals become a Vicious Threat to Jewish Identity?

While those degenerates do not reflect general jewish behaviour perhaps, what makes you Conclude enforcing animal protection laws, an immediate case of anti-semitism?!


Oh please, that is clearly not what I'm saying- nice way to over dramaticize at an attempt to ridicule a sound argument.

I believe in animal rights and care very much for them.

I know you know what it is I'm getting at. I'm saying animals deserve more respect. In this society they're heavily domesticated and treated like toys....and I just don't consider that respectful of their wild natures. Why do you think even our presumably content pets runaway? They probably feel they've escaped an abusive home....

All of my cats are indoor/outdoor, but I still feel bad that they're trapped in the big city.


I've read much of Derrick Jensen's work, an anarcho-primitivst and animal right's activist, who also believes in sacrifice and killing an animal for the purpose of consumption. I recall he said something along the lines of how an animal's sacrifice be it for ritual or for meat, is something spiritually connecting, it connects us to the animal spirit in a deep felt sense. This is what many indigenous tribes have believed for ages. Of course, this refers to wild beasts and not the poor cattle and chckens we lock up for the slaughter house, but that's another matter. When you look at an animal, and make eye contact, something clicks. It's almost as if a mutual agreement is made, the one to kill for his meat and the one to be sacrificed are one. Derrick Jensen puts it very well. He thinks animals can understand the deeper meaning behind their higher purpose, which is to serve man....
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What of plants?

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 3:28 pm

@Poison, From 1.10 to 3.22 is an old brief documentary on how slaughter is done by the Jews:
Despite the title, its an unbiased doc.




The recent ban in some countries against this method of slaughtering is jewish objection to anesthetize the animal with shots before killing it. Is there a verse or something that says suffering adds to the delight of Yahweh and pleases him? Does a less painful method of killing animals make the sacrifice "incomplete"? Would love to hear more on what your book says on this.

What does Derrick say is the 'higher purpose' of animals - as in wild-animals, and how does he know they understand that?

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 3:35 pm

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What does Derrick say is the 'higher purpose' of animals and how does he know they understand that?

They talk to him, he's a real modern day snow white...

And I'm done with the Jewish topic. It's obvious you have nothing but hatred for Jews, and you're going to continue using radical tactics to frame them in any way you can.
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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 3:46 pm

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And I'm done with the Jewish topic. It's obvious you have nothing but hatred for Jews

Where did I show that?

Every quote and material provided so far has been a Fact recorded in Your books and in history. I never made up anything.

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and you're going to continue using radical tactics to frame them in any way you can.

Is providing documentary footage of how slaughter is done radical tactics?
I was merely asking a question.
In other words, you don't know Why your book insists a suffering animal makes a better sacrifice.
You simply tried to defend your Rabbi and his call to lift the ban without understanding your own heritage and history.



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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 3:55 pm

Poison IV wrote:


They talk to him, he's a real modern day snow white...

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If Jews, in your mind, developed the idea for G-d, the one and only, then intelligent people are prone to believe that their patterns lead to a higher order.


All this reminds me of that Nietzsche quote where he laughed at how man first puts meaning into the world and then goes about exclaiming how he discovered Truth and a pre-existing order.... much like how Mr.Bean sends a card to himself and feels so warm and wonderful for getting it...




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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:02 pm

Lolz, Derrick Jensen is now a Rabbi.
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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:05 pm

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Lolz,, Derrick Jensen is now a Rabbi.

Silly, I'm talking of Sachs call to lift the ban on jewish way of slaughter.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:07 pm

Well, you need to be more specific, because you were on the subject of books, and Derrick was the only writer mentioned ;p

Thanks for the laugh though.
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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:16 pm

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What does Derrick say is the 'higher purpose' of animals and how does he know they understand that?

They talk to him, he's a real modern day snow white...

And I'm done with the Jewish topic. It's obvious you have nothing but hatred for Jews, and you're going to continue using radical tactics to frame them in any way you can.
What a coward and a cunt you are, me dear.

If you are "done with Jews" then they are not done with you.
You are one, whether you like it or not, or whether you try to make it into a positive or not.
Not only are you infected but you belong to a majority in your immediate environment where this is considered "self-evident".

All you see are symbols supporting your delusions not even realizing that you belong to a civilization, based on appropriating and rendering inert symbols.
You cannot think outside the "Simulacrum" you imbecile, and so everywhere you turn you find examples supporting your delusions.
If some douche-bag looks at you at the red-light thinking "I want to bang her" you hypothesize that he's a C.I.A. agent, watching you because.....because, you imbecile, you... YOU., a stupid female, twenty year-old moron in Florida, are so fuckin' important.

You see secret messages in pop-culture which deals with public, subliminal messaging, and not secrets, you moron.
You've placed yourself in the center of your own world-view, to make yourself feel more important and significant, other than that ass and tits promising to young males a future.
You, tuts, are a dim-at...a classic female moron and, to be honest, in comparison to others you are flaky and border-line insane.
Tell your moms to give you the meds your brother is taking.

Your entire family is fucked...no cops0iracy, dear, basic genetics.

Imagine...this cunt once wanted to tell me about blood-types and how her's was not compatible with my own, more common, one.
A retard lost in her own hyperbole....supported by a system that simply loves stupidity.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:17 pm

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The recent ban in some countries against this method of slaughtering is jewish objection to anesthetize the animal with shots before killing it. Is there a verse or something that says suffering adds to the delight of Yahweh and pleases him? Does a less painful method of killing animals make the sacrifice "incomplete"? Would love to hear more on what your book says on this.

Ah, so nothing Is explained; no wonder no one can tell and jews get angry, because they themselves have been told "it is so" and are commanded to accept and obey it...

"The laws of shechita are not given in the text of the Torah. Rather, the Torah only writes that the slaughter shall be "as I have instructed you." (Deut. 12:21) In Orthodox Judaism this is often cited as one proof that Moses received an Oral Torah along with the text.
Reform Judaism does not require observance of the laws of kosher."
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If reformed judaism doesn't require kosher observance, then the german and other govts. are Not discriminating against jewish faith. Why is the Rabbi then raving about? Another example of manufactured victim-complex...


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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:26 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:31 pm

There are 7 billion (seven) people on this earth, presently.

Of those half, 3.5 billion (three-point-five) are female.

Of those approximately half, 1.8 billion aprox.(around one-point-eight) are of age where they are fertile.

How many of those really matter?

The system is built around generalities not individuals.
It does not give a shit about some moron living in Florida, U.S.A. thinking that every damn helicopter passing over her middle-class house is looking at her, or that every degenerate,s ex-crazed, American moron, passing outside her door, is looking at her because she has "inside information".
The only thing she ha sis a piece of as and tits and a pretty face with nothing nothing it but mush.

Only a simpleton would feel attracted to this beyond the immediate, short-term, physical.
This is why only "young boy" are "positive enough" for her these days...they and old fucks wanting to bag a young one.

Where's her daddy?
Nowhere.
Another imbecile who is all pretense and no substance.
A mother who's a whore...or the easiest approximation to one in this modern world.

What's left for her to feel loved and important and valuable?
Yes...

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:37 pm

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Angry
Old
White
Men

I love being white...for obvious reasons. my heritage is the last thing I would complain about.
Being a nigger would be hell.

I love being old...because cunts like this cunt have no effect on me, like they do on simpleton, testosterone-driven, young boys; like the [color=indigo]]Dragon[/color.

I love being male....what's the alternative? Female?
I think I'll stick to this, less stunted, more cerebral, less involved, sexual type.
Menstruating, once a month, and gestating and being dumb as shit? No thanks.

I love being hateful...it identifies me in all this fake, lovey-dovey, bullshit twats, like you, think sublime or magical.
What I despise, like the virus that makes me ill, is what defines me.

If you hear of a twat who claims demons and spirits and gods visit her at night, run....don't even bother banging them before...just....fuckin'.... RUN!!!!

Thank my ancestor's but this twat failed to seduce me as she would have some douche-bag living in a truck in a WalMart parking lot and twice arrested for sexual misconduct.
No tits and ass is worth that price.

Jerk-off....no pussy is worth it when its of this quality.




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Like I said, very angry....and old.
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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:43 pm

And your stats are way off.

There are more men than women, and less than half are in the fertility range, as it's more uncommon to reproduce past midlife. Menopause, higher incidence of down syndrome etc.


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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:44 pm

Are you baiting, my sweet?
Such need.

I intend to get older and angrier.
You can return to your more "positive" young boys.
Maybe one of them owns a truck and can park it in a KMart parking lot and he's not a peeping-tom.

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PostSubject: Re: Qualitative Politics Qualitative Politics - Page 2 EmptyTue Sep 04, 2012 4:50 pm

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"as I have instructed you." (Deut. 12:21) In Orthodox Judaism this is often cited as proof

Historicity means Nothing, and yet you hear them always say they are the most historical people; double-stadards spilling everywhere...

From 1:05 onwards; she says history doesn't matter, lol




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