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PostSubject: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 12:47 pm


Cheers! I be drunk on spanish whiskey ya bloody' philosophers and trolls!

I be Romanian, hated and detested people around Europe! Especially by french and italians who think we are gypsy scum.
I have been I say, a follower of Satyr, a little boy who got enthralled by this Greek's philosophy. I do declare that I have always been an inquisitive mind, ever since i was a shorty, I was questioning the existence of God when my grandmother took me to Church, Orthodox Church, same one which Greeks attend.

I always felt as an outsider, always been a loner, I do not deny I have been slavish, effeminate sometimes in the face of bullies, I have suffered the physical wrath of my father. But I took drastic measures, my methods may not have been the masculine ones but now I have overcome my fear of my father, I have literally raised my fist at him when he was intimidating my mother with violence. I have no fear of fighting with him. I do wish for revenge, but I do not obsess about it, I would take him down, he is already fallen by himself, but sometimes I still accept him as being wise about some domains, he was a military man, he knows about discipline, he still has a manly aura around himself.

Now I am 22 years old. Yet I feel old, I affirm that suffering makes one feel older than his age, that this experience makes him more pessimistic and more realistic of life. Yet I do no want to give up, I would rather die in glory like a violent warrior rather than a hostage. I would like to fight till the end. I never really understood suicide, you can just accept all the suffering or pain and still make a mark on the world. The more you feel like you are losing your life the more you are willing to sacrifice in order to leave a mark on the world! At least I feel like this, I don't know about others, I really feel like I want to be an artist on this world, I would not give up untill I mark the world before I was forced to leave it. My hand would reach out from the grave if I wasn't able to leave my mark...


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Or shoud I say, what is Satyr's philosophy?

For those of you familiar with myers/briggs personality typology, I'm betting Satyr is an INTJ.

Satyr represents the philosophical Yang.. as opposed the Yin. Allow me to explain-

A continuation of the nietzschean tradition fueled along with his own experience. I would also add the schopenhauerian twist of his personality which is in contradiction with his nietzschean will of perpetuation (his child). But I do not wish to interfere in that kind of discussion.




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Utilizing our intellect, it is possible to generalize, abstract and amalgamate, more/less similar dynamic phenomena into a static noumena, always whilst generalizing, abstracting and amalgamating, more/less different dynamic phenomena into a static noumena. However, this is only true whilst discussing properties, not necessarily how properties are normally spatially and temporally combined (think bicycle, or dog). When we do this well, we are smart, when we do this poorly, we are stupid. There are some who believe the abstractions are more real than reality, that the mind organizes and generates reality (hmmm, mind gives birth to reality.. that sounds like a rather masculine position, don't you think?), and that we should rely primarily on the abstractions to make sense of the world, and conversely, always conversely, there are some who believe reality is more real than the abstractions, and that we should primarily rely on reality to make sense of the abstractions. Satyr is an empiricist, a materialist and a determinist. He believes phenomena is primary and noumena is secondary. He associates the opposite position with absolutism/nihilism, death, passivity and, feminity, of which there is an authoritarian abundance (so much for God and teleology) of in the universe. Satyr percieves order, life and his creed, his philosophy as rare, precious things, and in opposition to and rebellion with the norm, which is chaos, death and absolutism/nihilism (either I surrender to intellectual and physical death, or I strive for intellectual and physical completion, both are a returning to the intellectual and physical wombs).

I think we should abandon any kind of discussion of noumena as being useless, unproductive. I wouldnt call phenomena primary and noumena secondary. I would just affirm as phenomena as being self-evident, and noumena as non-evident. Being self-evident we cannot call it being true or not. We just affirm it as being self-evident. As for noumena since it is nonevident we would have to discuss about it being true or not, but this kind of talk never has an answer, and I myself deny any kind of noumena as being false this is what my nihilism consists about. I deny anything else but phenomenon. I is different from what Satyr or you other people might consider nihilism.

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The final product is a dichtomy, for example, warm/cool, or light/dark. Now, is there not something similar about warmth and light, and conversely, is there not something similar about cool and dark? Warmth and light are a presence, cool and dark are an absence. Another example, gravity/repulsion and love/strife. Gravity and love are positive, repulsion and strife are negative. It is possible to combine the dichotomies into one metadichotomy. This metadichtomy is.. Masculine and Feminine.. or Yang and Yin. The essence of Masculinity is.. presence and negativity, the essence of Feminity.. absence and positivity. The Masculine is more/less complete, or more easily completed (presence), so he keeps others (objects and especially subjects) at a distance (negativity), the Feminine is more/less incomplete, or less easily completed (absence), so she invites others (objects and especially subjects) to come in. It follows, the Masculine is conservative, and the Feminine is liberal.


This is kinda hard to talk about. Is love positive? Is it not a need? a negative feeling perhaps? why positive? this is unclear. Maybe love is a disease of human individual who seeks symbiosis with other individuals. Then it would be negative? or positive? Here I cannot affirm something... or other. Love and hate seem to not be so apart from one and other. These kind of metaphyiscs I still have a problem with accepting.

The Masculine is more discriminating, it is difficult for him to let others in, so he favours quality over quantity, the Feminine is less discriminating, it is easy for her to let others in, so she favours quantity over quality. The male is independent, and less emotional, so he requires less civilization, civilization being a form of dependency. However, he is also more rational, and therefore more capable of inventing civilization.
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Quality over quantity ? How can we say that? Does not an alpha male take over most quantity of females in a group? Does he discrimate against possible sex mates or does he try fuck as many as he can? I have a problem here with your metaphyiscs again.


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Some other things I associate with the Masculine- the INTP (introvertion, intuition, thinking and percieving). Feminine (extroversion, sensing, feeling and judging). However, I'm not sure, in many ways, the ISTP seems to have the most masculine profile. I believe Karl Jung said the ESFJ is the most feminine, so the opposite would have to be masculine, no?

Hmm I am an INTP but I think the most masculine men are ENTP perhaps.. Extroverts. They would be the ones who would charge out into the world and conquer it perhaps?

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Some other things I associate with the Masculine, egoism, asceticism, spiritualism, hate, strength, freedom, activity, resistence, fire, air. The Feminine, altruism, hedonism, materialism, love, weakness, slavery, serfdom and bondage, passivity, acceptance, water, earth.

Although Satyr's philosophy is not so dogmatic as to deny or advocate the abolition of feminity, he wants to control it, dominate it. He wants to maximize the Masculine and minimize the feminine.


I would associate egoism with every kind of living organism. Masculinity I would say is will to power, aggresivity - either brute or intelligent. The feminine.. sociability submissive.

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The society we live in now, is a society of Liliths (see Hebrew mythology) dominating other Liliths, Satyr despises them both, he wants to return to a more Masculine society, and he sees Greco Roman society as the epitome of the Yang (think of how the Spartans defeated 100000s of Persians [quantity] with only 300 hundred men [quality]), and Mussolini and Hitler as exemplary of the Yang, or at least more Yang, perhaps they didn't quite live up to their ideology, or their ideology had been corrupted or distorted somehow. A society where the egoistic, individualistic, strong, pround, free and independent would rule the the other. Liberty (positive and negative, though I see Satyr as favouring negative liberty over positive) would not be doled out to everyone, it would have to be earned, it would be reserved for those who are of the right race, sex (males), age (adults), class (the aryan/neopagan, warrior/priest class, not the bourgeoisie, the proletariat or slaves), creed and culture (Ayran/Hellenic) and religion (Masculine Paganism). The new elite would have maximum political rights and responsibilities, the old elite moderate political rights and responsibilities, the proletariat minimum political rights and responsibilities, and slaves, none.

In this modern age I see chaos being freedom from the system which is rationally irrational. I say a freeman seeks to disobey the regulations of rationality of the modern age. I feel like denying everything this system wants us to be. I deny their conception of good, of masculinity, femininity, of a good life, a good behaviour, I will deny, I will be nihilistic of this system. Whatever system would have been or will be, I cannot be myself unless I step out of its rules.

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Satyr resists decadence, dependency and associates them with feminity. I thin for him, a man should only be as dependent on others and technology as required to survive, and perserve himself and his family, indulging in too much civilization makes one weak, pathetic, robs one of their virility, their vitality, makes them vulnerable to attack, atrophies, weakens their spirit, makes them unhealthy, but at the same time, he recognizes the need for civilization, as humans must have some degree of it in order to survive and not have their flesh or spirit assimilated by another, more civilized race, but I think for Satyr, civilization is partially a necessary evil, and should be minimized, those who excessively altruistic, hedonistic and materialistic, excessively mentally, emotionally and physically dependent on machines and society, who are pampered, spoiled, are fit for slavery.

I say ABUSE, BETRAY, DESPISE, USE .. the system, DESTROY it if you may, and if u wish pretend you fall into it when it's in your interest. Never trust it. As long as I have my freedom of thought I am not a wheel in the machine.

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Satyr goes so far as to associate the feminine itself with death, though I'm inclined to think we need the feminine to survive, but I think so is he, but the femine is secondary in his mind, and should be subjugated and subordinated whenever possible.

You know the french named orgasms as "le petit morte" , the little death, it might be feminine, but even male orgasms feels like a small death. And we should not detest the pleasures of life. Are we Christian? NO. Let us feel pleasure and pain in life and not worship either one, only use them for our own life as means to our will to power!
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 1:22 pm

Why is everyone on this board constantly analysing satyr?
You are so easily impressed.
No wonder the man has the ego of a teen movie starlett.
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 2:42 pm

I appreciate the reply, Lex, but I don't think I did a good job of expounding his philosophy here, and I think I've said enough about it.
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 3:03 pm

This topic is more about myself than his philosophy. phoneutria is misunderstanding. what use has Satyr's philosophy is not for my own selfish purpose? My own power. Did not every philosopher come to adapt his mentor's ideas to his own experience? So do I.
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 6:19 pm

The girl is jealous, women always want the topic to be returned to them...continue.

And yes, a thought, a piece of art, ceases to be owned by the thinker creator once it is shared.
Then it takes on a life of its own...just like a child.
One uses ideas for his own benefit; he applies them to his own particular circumstances...once he understands them he makes them his own.

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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySun Dec 04, 2011 7:14 am

What girl are you talking about? we have female members again?

Ideas & knowledge itself have a very social aspect if you think about it.
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySun Dec 04, 2011 1:09 pm

Satyr wrote:
The girl is jealous, women always want the topic to be returned to them...

Ah yes. Let's analyse this too. Let's write 3 pages on why I said that.

It can't possibly be because I don't share everyone else's fascination with you, and thus I find the obsession over the subject tired and beat up.

Must be... something else.
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I just had a change of heart. Please ignore my posts and go on.
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PostSubject: Re: My reply to the people here My reply to the people here  EmptySun Dec 04, 2011 5:48 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Satyr wrote:
The girl is jealous, women always want the topic to be returned to them...

Ah yes. Let's analyse this too. Let's write 3 pages on why I said that.
Let's not analyze anything.
Let's assume and then share banter.
Let's socialize...but without thinking.

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It can't possibly be because I don't share everyone else's fascination with you, and thus I find the obsession over the subject tired and beat up.
I'll have to take your word on that, as at this moment I am not analyzing or thinking...I am cavorting.

phoneutria wrote:
Must be... something else.
Must be.
Must be the opposite, because I can only think in black and white.

phoneutria wrote:
I just had a change of heart. Please ignore my posts and go on.
I just had a change of heart and decided to not ignore you...for this small period.
Later, I'll be back to the usual.
Can't say why, as this would be too long and analytical...and I'm here to socialize and have fun and shoot out random words about how wonderful my life is.

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Please ignore is a straightforward request.
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