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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:14 pm

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In that case, we're all niggers,
Are you suggesting common origins for all races?

Prove it.

I never took you for a fringe science type.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:47 pm

I would say that we have common ancestry with apes, are we then all the same kind of ape?

If I begin a trip with a few friends from point A, along with another group headed in a different direction...will our subsequent reunion, along the way, constitute a meeting of equals?

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:20 am

phoneutria wrote:
Vanitas wrote:
phoneutria wrote:
In that case, we're all niggers,
Are you suggesting common origins for all races?

Prove it.

I never took you for a fringe science type.
Oh I'm not. I want to believe that we all originate in a great oneness, a brotherhood of man. Just need the proof.

Of course, the fact that when the conditions are right on a world it seems feasible that life could arise simultaneously, in more than one place, has been a largely overlooked idea by academics.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:57 am

Well, vanitas, I know you hope, and you can... but there's that whole DNA thing... so annoying.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:29 pm

DNA evidence when it comes to this subject is notoriously open to interpretation.

For example, the computer algorithms they used in trying to prove mtDNA Eve existed were based on faulty models of mtDNA, ones which treated it more like an atomic clock than an imprecise, organic system.

It was nothing more than statistical fudging combined with liberal ideals.

Neither is DNA the universal, abstracted code it's presented as, usually in brightly coloured graphics in a computer generated helix, to lend it some objective credibility.

DNA is part of an organism, as such it has the traits and qualities of the organism. DNA from Africans doesn't even look the same as that of Europeans, let alone function the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:31 pm

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I've never seen you write such an empty post.
You're letting me down, old man.
This is why you are so simple, predictable and feminine, little woman.

You claim to not be a fan of my verbosity, yet now you use my brevity as a means to protect your stupidity;

Oh no, satyr, you weren't brief. You were empty
Over a hundred words of absolutely nothing.


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...you claim to not be superficial, yet here you are using age as a weapon in a culture that worships youth.

Listen up....I know the idea of me writhing in pain after your little feminine attacks pleases you, so I will not deny you this pleasure.

I'm only going to tell you this:
If anything age has helped be bring into perspective my lower than average libido which would make imbecile cunts, like you, effective.
I'm not saying that a taste of your luscious lips and your negro ass will not be welcomed, but I am saying that it does...not...matter.

Only you would have taken that to be a weapon.
It's a term of endearment! You know how husbands often refer to their wives as "the old lady"?
I could just as easily have used "dear", or "sweetcakes" or whatever you please.

But now that you have thrown a fit over it, I can't help but think... does it really not matter?
Your offense is a defense, and a defense exists to hide a vulnerability.
Why are you so age conscious, old man?
We all prize our greys over here, I'm sure.

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Now, you go back to your Slav boyfriend, who in a year or two will be an ex-boyfriend, an unfortunate mistake (which helped you "grow) you grew out of, and then another "asshole" who did you wrong, and you leave the thinking to others.

Don't concern yourself with my relationship, dear. We can't all be as unhappy as you.

The thinking... yes. I'll leave you to thinking. But first, let us drag ourselves to the rest of this post.

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Do what comes naturally to your kind:
Show us your tits and ass...Brazilian style.
Shake that booty, flirt, seduce, but, for God's sake, shut the fuck up when it comes to anything outside relationships and sex.
You are stupid as shit.

Do something interesting...spread your legs, and let those pheromones waft into the nostrils of boys who can't help but become erect.

hahahaha
I haven't heard a "shut up, you're stupid" in a long time. Have come down to shutupSHUTUP already, old man?
If it bothers you so, why don't you use that handy little button you have, and kick me out of here. Come on, I know you've thought about it.
Spare yourself the embarrassment of continuing to produce these asinine assumptions about me.

But I''ll grant you the effort. You even read my chats. We'll have a full asinine dossie in no time.

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phoneutria wrote:
I would not have expected you to know anything about Ethiopia.
I was going for brevity, dear.

Nice try, old man. I actually laughed at this one. Thanks.

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Is this not how you pretend to know what the hell you are talking about?

Could be.
But instead here we are, on a subject that you brought up, in which you find yourself shuffling around to plug the huge gap I just put in your argument.

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Tell ya what...research where and when this "brilliant" civilization came to be, then get back to me.
Does the Nile flow down to it, or up to it? These details matter.

Oh, I think you need to read about this brilliant civilization and then get back to me.
I will not lecture you on ancient history, dear. I know you are fully capable of googling this one.

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I'll give you another hint, you dumb bitch,...remember the Niggers you come from?
Yes?
Well, they "invented" Jazz and Rick'n Roll, no?
When?
Was it after the Nigger came in touch with Caucasian music or before?
Where does Blues come from?
Where does your Brazilian music come from, dear? Did the Niggers conjure it up out of thin air?
Why is it so sexual and provocative?

Let's get that thing about Ethiopia out of the way first, shall we? Go read.

BTW I think rickrolling was invented by 4chan (lol sorry, couldn't help it).

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Now, before you get your panties all moist, and you have to have your slave, I mean Slav, Polack "significant other" put out the fire, allow me to remind you that your gesticulating, chaotic rhythms, which you call music, where you get to fan your arse all over the place, and feel "good" about yourself with, is exactly what makes you exactly what you are.

I'm having a little trouble understanding this paragraph. I think you got yourself lost in the imagery there for a second. Can't blame you.
But I came to "music is makes you exactly what you are".
Well thank you, satyr. That is very poetic.
Unfortunately, I remain the authority on what makes me what I am. And I'll have to disagree.
What I am, and what makes me what I am, will probably not be revealed to you any time soon. Possibly never.

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Please, remind me what is the difference between an animal and a human, in your book, again?
Here is my take....you thinking I am being general and simplistic and reliant on stereotypes is sad when considering that you rely on simple general, stereotypes, based on appearances, to consider yourself a human being equal to me.
YOU thinking you are of MY kind, is insulting, if not contrary to your own ideals...never-mind my own, who does not buy into your bullshit.

Watching you interact, here, or elsewhere, would be like watching a chimp, socialize, fornicate and live.
Please, never deny me that pleasure.

Hahahahaha no. I am not of your kind.

The almighty smarter-than-thou kind.

The kind that finds at early age to be above average intelligence, and grows up full of promises and expectations. Only to watch time slip away, and all those promises of greatness fog up in the distance.
And then comes the drudgery of life. Waking up and going to a shitty job where everyone gets to shout orders at you even though they are obviously your inferiors.
All that spite growing in you, year after year.
All those things that you dreamed of, and never accomplished. You don't need them, you tell yourself.
You go over your mantra... my intellectual superiority puts be above... I don't need to be seen as great as long as I know I am great...
Over and over again.
You dig through books and articles in search for knowledge. Anything that will further proof your superiority. Not for love of knowledge but because it feeds your vanity.
You create a shrine for yourself and invite over some of your weaklings to fawn at your mighty intellect and ponder on your complicated psyche.
Despise the world of idiots, those with authority over you. Despise the lameness of your non-challenging job. Despise the women who thought you were weak, who attempted to emasculate you. In the world of ideas, you are king. You are the great vain king of jack shit.

I am not of your kind, no.

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p.s. I know you've sent private pictures, after taking down those you gave for free...big mistake,. Remember, tuts...your tits and arse sell. you must keep the consumer wanting more before you sell it, otherwise you are giving it out for free.
Basic capitalism and consumerism and materialism....the shit you consider yourself "above" and "beyond". I love watching you contradict your own principles, stupid, when you use market principles to make of yourself a commodity worthy of attention from a buyer.

All my pictures are public. I never took any pictures down.

I am not in the business of selling sex, but if I ever get into it you'll be the first to know.
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Who is this moron you call your "significant other"?

One that I wish was more into wasting his time with bullshit. Then I could invite him here and you'd see what a man is.

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Ta, Ta,
Smoochy smooch.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:40 pm

Vanitas wrote:
DNA evidence when it comes to this subject is notoriously open to interpretation.

For example, the computer algorithms they used in trying to prove mtDNA Eve existed were based on faulty models of mtDNA, ones which treated it more like an atomic clock than an imprecise, organic system.

It was nothing more than statistical fudging combined with liberal ideals.

Neither is DNA the universal, abstracted code it's presented as, usually in brightly coloured graphics in a computer generated helix, to lend it some objective credibility.

DNA is part of an organism, as such it has the traits and qualities of the organism. DNA from Africans doesn't even look the same as that of Europeans, let alone function the same.

Hahahahahah I never expected to see you so apologetic.
I guess that is what happens when people try to use science to proof their believes.
Do you know what you sound like to me? Like a creationist, or a climate-change denialist.
It must suck to believe something so bad that you have to be on the wrong side of mainstream science.

But in that case... since I am siding with the mainstream on this one, the burden of proof is on you.
This is going to be good.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:57 pm

phoneutria wrote:

Oh no, satyr, you weren't brief. You were empty
Over a hundred words of absolutely nothing.
I give you what you can understand.

phoneutria wrote:
Only you would have taken that to be a weapon.
It's a term of endearment! You know how husbands often refer to their wives as "the old lady"?
I could just as easily have used "dear", or "sweetcakes" or whatever you please.
I know, it was innocent.

phoneutria wrote:
But now that you have thrown a fit over it, I can't help but think... does it really not matter?
Your offense is a defense, and a defense exists to hide a vulnerability.
Why are you so age conscious, old man?
We all prize our greys over here, I'm sure.
See what I mean?

Keep digging, old hag.

phoneutria wrote:
Don't concern yourself with my relationship, dear. We can't all be as unhappy as you.
No, some of us can lie better.

phoneutria wrote:
hahahaha
This usually follows.
If you add a few more "ha's" or make them bigger it might be more convincing.

phoneutria wrote:
I haven't heard a "shut up, you're stupid" in a long time. Have come down to shutupSHUTUP already, old man?
Little wench is thinking she found a "soft spot"...now she'll milk it for all its worth, convinced that she's doing damage.

Oh and SHUT THE FUCK-UP you stupid BITCH!!!
See?

phoneutria wrote:
If it bothers you so, why don't you use that handy little button you have, and kick me out of here. Come on, I know you've thought about it.
Spare yourself the embarrassment of continuing to produce these asinine assumptions about me.
I think you being bothersome is like a baby crying for attention. When it gets it, it is negative, but it is attention nonetheless.

phoneutria wrote:
But I''ll grant you the effort. You even read my chats. We'll have a full asinine dossie in no time.
It was boring shit....funny though.
Are you going to save the boy? Will you "whip" him into shape?

phoneutria wrote:
Nice try, old man. I actually laughed at this one. Thanks.
See?

phoneutria wrote:
Could be.
But instead here we are, on a subject that you brought up, in which you find yourself shuffling around to plug the huge gap I just put in your argument.
Did you?
Can you re-post it, I missed in in all the babbling.

I think the only gap you plug is in between your legs, dear....but that doesn't last for long.
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Oh, I think you need to read about this brilliant civilization and then get back to me.
I will not lecture you on ancient history, dear. I know you are fully capable of googling this one.
No, let's assume they were niggers, like you...and go off feeling good about the world.

phoneutria wrote:
Let's get that thing about Ethiopia out of the way first, shall we? Go read.
I think Ethiopia was a fabulous civilization. We are living under the lights of its eternal flame.
But then again what do you expect from a nigger who thinks inventing peanut-butter is the same as inventing the internal combustion engine?

phoneutria wrote:
Unfortunately, I remain the authority on what makes me what I am. And I'll have to disagree.
Of course you do because you know yourself so well...like a bitch (the canine type) knows herself better than a human can.
Like how being a nigger is twisted into a term of endearment in your mind.

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Hahahahaha no. I am not of your kind.

The almighty smarter-than-thou kind.
There's that nervousness with that accompanying declaration.
This time a few more "ha's" were placed there...you took the time to type them out.

But you didn't call me "old man", putting salt on that wound you found.
Tell me more about my fear of growing old.

phoneutria wrote:
The kind that finds at early age to be above average intelligence, and grows up full of promises and expectations. Only to watch time slip away, and all those promises of greatness fog up in the distance.
And then comes the drudgery of life. Waking up and going to a shitty job where everyone gets to shout orders at you even though they are obviously your inferiors.
All that spite growing in you, year after year.
All those things that you dreamed of, and never accomplished. You don't need them, you tell yourself.
You go over your mantra... my intellectual superiority puts be above... I don't need to be seen as great as long as I know I am great...
Over and over again.
You dig through books and articles in search for knowledge. Anything that will further proof your superiority. Not for love of knowledge but because it feeds your vanity.
You create a shrine for yourself and invite over some of your weaklings to fawn at your mighty intellect and ponder on your complicated psyche.
Despise the world of idiots, those with authority over you. Despise the lameness of your non-challenging job. Despise the women who thought you were weak, who attempted to emasculate you. In the world of ideas, you are king. You are the great vain king of jack shit.
Very nice exposee....it seems like "job" is a common theme here. That and that passage of time.
Typical for a female living in this age.

I love the exhibition of feminine spite. I drink in its anger and hatred.

phoneutria wrote:
I am not of your kind, no.
Are you "happy" in your "job" nigger?
Does it fulfill you, and give you an identity?
How old are you? Tick-tock....tick-tock...

phoneutria wrote:
All my pictures are public. I never took any pictures down.
It's the only thing that gets you noticed, dear.

phoneutria wrote:
I am not in the business of selling sex, but if I ever get into it you'll be the first to know.
Oh my dear, what a contradiction.
Your pics were oozing with sex...but you "know yourself" so who am I to contradict you?
You just keep being what you are.

phoneutria wrote:
One that I wish was more into wasting his time with bullshit. Then I could invite him here and you'd see what a man is.
Indeed, but I think you've always made the "right" decision, babycakes.
I think he must be a genius...for you to have him. On your level, at least.

Please continue to contradict my positions about females by being such a perfect example of a modern one.
Maybe my penis is small.

Ta, Ta,

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:56 am

Enough of this mundane babble.

So, we're all in agreement spain's/port's are either dumber or intellectually lazier than the average Frenchman, or German?
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:07 am

Furthermore, where is nigger civilization, and why were native north Americans not able to erect a civilization, when native Central and Southern Americans were, despite inhabiting an inferior locale? Are North American Natives dumber and/or lazier than the average Central/Southern Native American? These are the questions scientists should be asking themselves. Unfortunately their religion (liberalism) does not permit it.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:54 am

with all the abundant land and resources, maybe it was just easier to just be nomadic for the native north americans whereas the aztecs eventually just consolidated to form a civilization. there is also just chance or certain individuals making a decision that snowballs in one direction vs another. history and evolution is affected by environment and known/unknown variables as well as chance.

even taking a look at chinese history shows how one's decisions or lack thereof affect history. an emperor destroyed their fleet and stopped all expeditions.

as for africans, it's obvious. they never needed to. it's rich in resources and very hot. there was no motivation for advanced shelter etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:22 am

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with all the abundant land and resources, maybe it was just easier to just be nomadic for the native north americans whereas the aztecs eventually just consolidated to form a civilization.
Europe and China had plenty of land and resources. Usually liberals say the opposite, they say- so and so didn't have enough land and resources to develop a civilization, now you're making the opposite suggestion.. OK, so why not a Papua New Guinea civilization, there wasn't much resource or land there? ? ?
You think think the North Americans would've took advantage of all that surplus resource, but they did not.
Civilization doesn't arise out of need anyway, it arises out of want, wanting more out of life, wanting surplus food production, leisure and luxuries.

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there is also just chance or certain individuals making a decision that snowballs in one direction vs another. history and evolution is affected by environment and known/unknown variables as well as chance.
The butterfly effect. Perhaps North Americans had a surplus of positive butterfly effects, more than Europe, that pushed them in the direction of civilization, but because they were so stupid, they did not take advantage of them.
Butterfly effects are unknown unknowns, unknowables, they're a cop out. Let's try to find the definitive explanation here. Philosophy is about solving problems (excuse me, genuine philosophy), not complicating matters more than they already are, let's solve, in favor of the leftists, or the rightists, was it environment, culture or genes, which one (all 3, perhaps)? Why no civilization, lazy-dumb, inhibited somehow, what was holding them back, specifically?
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:10 am

i don't know, do you have the answer?

maybe the root has to do with religion or mental mindframe which produces particular religions both with their pros and cons.

easterly religions tend to be more about oneness with nature whereas western religion is about belief that humans are separate from nature. the latter would faciliate a more technological or more unnatural bent eventually as it would view everything in nature as objects for manipulation and use. to 'rise' above it, so to speak.

as for aztecs vs other native americans, maybe it was something in the water. maybe there was just a more ambitious group that ended up migrating there, by chance. i'm no anthropologist.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:24 pm

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They are about as "african" as the egyptians.
Right, North Africans are a sub-race of Caucasians, just as Europeans are a sub-race of Caucasians. This does not mean North Africans are identical to Europeans, hence sub-race, just that they're more related to Europeans in general than they are to Subsaharans, despite living on the same continent as the Subsaharans. North Africans have been more culturally productive than Subsaharans.. but less than Europeans. However, some of this may be due to the fact that north Africans don't have as temperate a climate as Europeans, so perhaps the north African racial/cultural influx factor is a mitigating one, it's difficult to tell.

You think that the berbers were less culturally productive than the "europeans"?

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Nonetheless it seems, the Iberians have been less productive than other Europeans. Maybe you meant to say that serfdom under the Berbers held them back somehow. Did centuries of plague, famine, warfare and serfdom hold western Europe back as a whole? For a while it did, but once they were rid of these scourges, they initiated one of the most productive and innovative periods of human history, a time of dramatic progress in the human standard of living, not seen since Mesopotamia and Egypt gave us civilization, 5000-4500 years ago.

I didn't bring it up to justify or excuse anything. You started off with proposal that the iberic people are different from the rest of europe. Thus, it only makes sense that you should explore the differences. The berber occupation of europe was exclusively restricted to the iberic peninsula. If you are interested on the subject, you should look into it. Another brief observation, we're talking about the berber occupation, the plague, the renaissance, the exploration of the sea/conquest of new territories, etc without even mentioning the period in which they occurred. It's kind of important.

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The Spaniards/Portuguese did not play as big a role in this extraordinary development as some other Europeans. Since they had the opportunity, this must be due to their nature, and/or their culture. In consolation, they did have one of the worlds largest empires, and they gave us Spinoza, Santayana, some artists and architects, some explorers and watercraft innovations, but their contributions aren't as significant as that of their French, English, German and Italian neighbors.

What do you mean when you say that they had the opportunity? That being the same as other europeans and having the same means, they should have contributed as much?
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Also worth considering, the Berber occupation did not stop them from conquering a good chunk of the earth, why did it stop them from being as productive in other endeavors?

Have you considered the possibility that their focus on conquest might have been what stopped them from being as productive in other endeavors?

It sounds to me like you don't have the whole picture yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:57 pm

phoneutria wrote:
Hahahahahah I never expected to see you so apologetic.
Sometimes it takes a hammer to crack a nut, other times just a tap will do.

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I guess that is what happens when people try to use science to proof their believes.
This isn't a hard science, so it's not surprising that even those working at the cutting edge can be entirely guided by political and economic forces, without reality creeping in at all.

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Do you know what you sound like to me? Like a creationist, or a climate-change denialist.
The climate is always changing. In fact the Earth's average operating temperature over geological time shows no evidence of ice at the poles.

As for creationism, I'm a hard atheist.

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It must suck to believe something so bad that you have to be on the wrong side of mainstream science.
I dread being unfashionable... it's the pits.

I wish I had more friends... Sad

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But in that case... since I am siding with the mainstream on this one, the burden of proof is on you.
This is going to be good.
There's nothing to disprove. The field is open to the most daring and adventurous thinkers, not those who fearfully follow the establishment like trained monkeys, ironically the very monkeys who only a century ago were berating it for not paying them enough attention and considering them as equals.

I mean, don't they have any integrity?


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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:02 pm

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easterly religions tend to be more about oneness with nature whereas western religion is about belief that humans are separate from nature. the latter would faciliate a more technological or more unnatural bent eventually as it would view everything in nature as objects for manipulation and use. to 'rise' above it, so to speak.
This is because eastern culture is more feminine, as the people are more feminine in their nature, both men and women alike, compared to other races.

Masculinity wants to separate itself off from the world, to control and dominate.

There was a great thread over at ILP written by some Asian guy, who claimed he was 'feminine' heterosexual, and who celebrated the decline of masculinity in Western culture. I'll try and find it.

Edit: http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=174177&hilit=feminism
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:23 pm

There is this:

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Nigger is a nigger....dilute the genes with white, oriental or whatever, it still remains in play.
Genes do not just vanish, like the past....in the best case the past is rewritten to do away with all the nasty, insulting, elements, or it is written over to add what is not there and is not justified by the present.

And then there is this:

Satyr wrote:
I would say that we have common ancestry with apes, are we then all the same kind of ape?

If I begin a trip with a few friends from point A, along with another group headed in a different direction...will our subsequent reunion, along the way, constitute a meeting of equals?

So, which is it?
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:34 pm

Both, dear.


Your past cannot be overcome, though it can be ignored or forgotten.

I am my ancestry....but my ancestry is not the same as yours.
Our common ancestor is our bond, how we dealt with it, what happened from then to now, all participates in our distinctive characters and characteristics.

That in your bloodline you've "re-dipped" your genetic pool into the primal, or the more base, is part of who and what you are.
You carry it with you.

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:46 am

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i don't know, do you have the answer?

maybe the root has to do with religion or mental mindframe which produces particular religions both with their pros and cons.

easterly religions tend to be more about oneness with nature whereas western religion is about belief that humans are separate from nature. the latter would faciliate a more technological or more unnatural bent eventually as it would view everything in nature as objects for manipulation and use. to 'rise' above it, so to speak.
This not always so. Buddhism, as far as I can tell, isn't pro nature, or anti nature, it's indifferent, Buddhism is profound indifference and pessimism toward the world, like Schopenhauer, or nihilism, it doesn't celebrate nature, it hates it, but preaches there is nothing we can do about, except accept things the way they are, life and death, pleasure and pain, and once we accept it, we will be free from it, mentally. As far as I can tell, the ultimate goal of Buddhism is to cease to exist, to end the wheel of life, death and rebirth, so it isn't pro nature, but it's not exactly a civilized attitude, it's an attitude of resignation from the world, civilized or primitive. Taoism on the other hand, seems very pro nature. Confucianism seems pro civilization. The thing about Confucianism though, is it places emphasis on cultivating the self, on virtue, ahead of material wealth, power and hedonism. All Chinese philosophies and religions seemed more preoccupied virtue than success, as we would define it. Pay attention, this dichotomy between cultivation of the self, and cultivation of the environment is just as important as rationalism vs empiricism, or idealism vs materialism. Something happened in the west, particularly with the enlightenment, we began, for the first time, to place wealth, power, pleasure and materialism far, far above the usual, politics, religion, ethics, morality, etc. Now, what lead to this idea? Was it a product of the Anglo Saxon/Scottish mind? Does the British soul work differently than the souls of other peoples? Do they have a soul? Virtue teaches us valuable things, you see, like the difference between need and want, justice and injustice, has western man forgot such things, is the Anglo Saxon scourge spreading to other parts of the world. When people like Vanitas speak of order, they speak of material order, but they are unaware of a different kind of order, a kind even the Greeks and the Romans were more aware of than we are today, and the east are all too familiar with it.

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as for aztecs vs other native americans, maybe it was something in the water. maybe there was just a more ambitious group that ended up migrating there, by chance. i'm no anthropologist.
I am my own anthropologist. Does that mean I don't listen to what the experts have to say? No, of course not, I consider their claims and their proofs, then I come to my own conclusion. I don't have the time, nor the will to listen to all their claims and proofs, so I must be selective. I will not hesitate to question their authority when something doesn't add up right, I will not be faithful. They are in the business of selling us information, and if a waitress brings me food and it smells bad, I will not hesitate to walk out or demand a refund, I do not passively gobble up everything they send my way. The consumer of science must be as just as scrutinizing and wily as any other consumer. You see it's buyer beware. No, scientific knowledge is not our collective knowledge, not my knowledge, their knowledge, each individual, that is, each individual capable of exercising critical thought, must decide for themselves- do I believe this or not, do I accept what they have to say or not. Science is a two way street, it's not enough that they must be critical and empirical, we must be just as critical and empirical of them as they are supposed to be of each other and the data they rely on, and conclusions they draw from it.

We can't be certain, but since the North American Natives had far more land and resources than the central and southern Americans, yet for thousands of years, many civilizations, big and small, arose in central and southern America, yet only one or two small civilizations in North America, I think it's safe to conclude their must be something culturally different about them. Racially they're more/less the same, there are some slight differences.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:07 am

Would you mind reducing the dimentions of your icon, eyes, as a courtesy to other members?
It is destroying the forum tabulation.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:10 am

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:15 am

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Enough of this mundane babble.

So, we're all in agreement spain's/port's are either dumber or intellectually lazier than the average Frenchman, or German?

Oh, sounds like you're on a mission.
I'm dyingg to see where this is going.

BTW, absolutely not is your answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:04 am

The differences between individuals/races comes down solely to physical nature, as if you take that away nothing is left.

Among those races that have achieved less we find either a psycho-physical immaturity or a regressive, primitive animality.

It is the middle race that stands apart, differing from the others in the distance and quality of its evolution, giving it the ability to judge the others, but not be judged by them.

(When the others do judge it is criticism and an attempt to restrain the superior race, as in the course of nature the untermenschen are inevitably driven to extinction).
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:23 am

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phoneutria wrote:

Oh no, satyr, you weren't brief. You were empty
Over a hundred words of absolutely nothing.
I give you what you can understand.

phoneutria wrote:
Only you would have taken that to be a weapon.
It's a term of endearment! You know how husbands often refer to their wives as "the old lady"?
I could just as easily have used "dear", or "sweetcakes" or whatever you please.
I know, it was innocent.

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But now that you have thrown a fit over it, I can't help but think... does it really not matter?
Your offense is a defense, and a defense exists to hide a vulnerability.
Why are you so age conscious, old man?
We all prize our greys over here, I'm sure.
See what I mean?

Keep digging, old hag.

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Don't concern yourself with my relationship, dear. We can't all be as unhappy as you.
No, some of us can lie better.

phoneutria wrote:
hahahaha
This usually follows.
If you add a few more "ha's" or make them bigger it might be more convincing.

phoneutria wrote:
I haven't heard a "shut up, you're stupid" in a long time. Have come down to shutupSHUTUP already, old man?
Little wench is thinking she found a "soft spot"...now she'll milk it for all its worth, convinced that she's doing damage.

Oh and SHUT THE FUCK-UP you stupid BITCH!!!
See?

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If it bothers you so, why don't you use that handy little button you have, and kick me out of here. Come on, I know you've thought about it.
Spare yourself the embarrassment of continuing to produce these asinine assumptions about me.
I think you being bothersome is like a baby crying for attention. When it gets it, it is negative, but it is attention nonetheless.

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But I''ll grant you the effort. You even read my chats. We'll have a full asinine dossie in no time.
It was boring shit....funny though.
Are you going to save the boy? Will you "whip" him into shape?

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Nice try, old man. I actually laughed at this one. Thanks.
See?

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Could be.
But instead here we are, on a subject that you brought up, in which you find yourself shuffling around to plug the huge gap I just put in your argument.
Did you?
Can you re-post it, I missed in in all the babbling.

I think the only gap you plug is in between your legs, dear....but that doesn't last for long.
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Oh, I think you need to read about this brilliant civilization and then get back to me.
I will not lecture you on ancient history, dear. I know you are fully capable of googling this one.
No, let's assume they were niggers, like you...and go off feeling good about the world.

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Let's get that thing about Ethiopia out of the way first, shall we? Go read.
I think Ethiopia was a fabulous civilization. We are living under the lights of its eternal flame.
But then again what do you expect from a nigger who thinks inventing peanut-butter is the same as inventing the internal combustion engine?

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Unfortunately, I remain the authority on what makes me what I am. And I'll have to disagree.
Of course you do because you know yourself so well...like a bitch (the canine type) knows herself better than a human can.
Like how being a nigger is twisted into a term of endearment in your mind.

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Hahahahaha no. I am not of your kind.

The almighty smarter-than-thou kind.
There's that nervousness with that accompanying declaration.
This time a few more "ha's" were placed there...you took the time to type them out.

But you didn't call me "old man", putting salt on that wound you found.
Tell me more about my fear of growing old.

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The kind that finds at early age to be above average intelligence, and grows up full of promises and expectations. Only to watch time slip away, and all those promises of greatness fog up in the distance.
And then comes the drudgery of life. Waking up and going to a shitty job where everyone gets to shout orders at you even though they are obviously your inferiors.
All that spite growing in you, year after year.
All those things that you dreamed of, and never accomplished. You don't need them, you tell yourself.
You go over your mantra... my intellectual superiority puts be above... I don't need to be seen as great as long as I know I am great...
Over and over again.
You dig through books and articles in search for knowledge. Anything that will further proof your superiority. Not for love of knowledge but because it feeds your vanity.
You create a shrine for yourself and invite over some of your weaklings to fawn at your mighty intellect and ponder on your complicated psyche.
Despise the world of idiots, those with authority over you. Despise the lameness of your non-challenging job. Despise the women who thought you were weak, who attempted to emasculate you. In the world of ideas, you are king. You are the great vain king of jack shit.
Very nice exposee....it seems like "job" is a common theme here. That and that passage of time.
Typical for a female living in this age.

I love the exhibition of feminine spite. I drink in its anger and hatred.

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I am not of your kind, no.
Are you "happy" in your "job" nigger?
Does it fulfill you, and give you an identity?
How old are you? Tick-tock....tick-tock...

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All my pictures are public. I never took any pictures down.
It's the only thing that gets you noticed, dear.

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I am not in the business of selling sex, but if I ever get into it you'll be the first to know.
Oh my dear, what a contradiction.
Your pics were oozing with sex...but you "know yourself" so who am I to contradict you?
You just keep being what you are.

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One that I wish was more into wasting his time with bullshit. Then I could invite him here and you'd see what a man is.
Indeed, but I think you've always made the "right" decision, babycakes.
I think he must be a genius...for you to have him. On your level, at least.

Please continue to contradict my positions about females by being such a perfect example of a modern one.
Maybe my penis is small.

Ta, Ta,

Let us not waste ourselves on this unproductive bullshit.

I urge you again to read about ethiopia. And egypt. you have an advantage over me, you can reed greek. Read the greek historian documented opinion on the subject.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:45 pm

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You think that the berbers were less culturally productive than the "europeans"?
Berbers aren't Egyptians, so yes. As for Egyptians/North Africans as a whole, I suppose it's a little subjective, but I think we've achieved far more than they have. They certainly haven't contributed much in the last 2000-3000 years. I think they're more intelligent and civilized than Negros but, not quite as evolved as Whites.


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I didn't bring it up to justify or excuse anything. You started off with proposal that the iberic people are different from the rest of europe. Thus, it only makes sense that you should explore the differences. The berber occupation of europe was exclusively restricted to the iberic peninsula. If you are interested on the subject, you should look into it. Another brief observation, we're talking about the berber occupation, the plague, the renaissance, the exploration of the sea/conquest of new territories, etc without even mentioning the period in which they occurred. It's kind of important.
Important how, specifically?

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What do you mean when you say that they had the opportunity? That being the same as other europeans and having the same means, they should have contributed as much?
Not that they should have.
Since their circumstances were and are so similar to Western Europe, why didn't and don't they accomplish, more?
I don't think they're dumber than other Europeans, from what I remember their IQs are even a little higher than Brits.
Perhaps they're not as creative, imaginative of a people?
More than anything, I think they have a more complacent, conservative attitude. This is in part due to their culture and in part due to their genetics. They don't desire to be at the forefront and in the lime light the way, say, Italians do. Italians have something to prove, they want to be the leaders, the pioneers, they want to leave a mark on the world. This ambition, this passion, this.. arrogance, call it what you will, I don't think the Portuguese and the Spanish have it.
Does this mean I think less of them? No, not necessarily, I'm just making an observation, I'm trying to find alternative explanations to the standard environmental explanation, which is why I selected Portugal and Spain, for they had all the resources and opportunities the rest of Western Europe had, so it must be due to lack of will or ability, that they did not seize those resources and opportunities.
The Spanish seem happy to occupy the background in European cultural and political affairs. they're a simpler, quieter.. duller people than the French or the Brits.. that's my take. You can accept that if you want, I don't really care, but if you don't, I would like to hear your argument.


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Have you considered the possibility that their focus on conquest might have been what stopped them from being as productive in other endeavors?

It sounds to me like you don't have the whole picture yet.
The Brits especially, but also the French, the Dutch and the Swedes were also focused on conquest. I'm not sure, but I think the achievements of the Dutch surpassed those of the Portuguese. This isn't merely about pre-20th century either. What have they done for us lately? Let's face it, they're not on the world stage the way the other Europeans are. There's something different about their character, their spirit, something more, Asiatic, or North African.. which is fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:14 pm

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Let us not waste ourselves on this unproductive bullshit.

I urge you again to read about ethiopia. And egypt. you have an advantage over me, you can reed greek. Read the greek historian documented opinion on the subject.
Blunderpuss, do you understand anything of history?


Human Migration map
Follow the visual aid...

Now notice the timeline.
From where did humans settle into the Nile Delta?
Here, allow me to help you:
Ancient Egyptian Civilization

While the sub-Saharan Negroes were still rubbing sticks together it was from Asian that the people who founded the Egyptian Civilization came from.
There they mixed with the indigenous Negroes who were still mastering the craft of pissing upright.

These locals were probably Negroes that floated down the Nile.
From there some influence downriver must have occurred...but nothing to brag about.

Tell us what grand inventions and thoughts came out of Ethiopia.

Liberal nitwits have been using Egypt as an excuse for decades because to the question "why didn't the Negroes ever produce a civilization comparable to Babylon or China or the Greeks?" they have nothing to show except some primitive sculpting and mud huts.

The map clearly shows that the Egyptian Civilization began after, AFTER, the populations came out of Africa, evolved for thousands upon thousands of years and then reentered Africa from the north.

Here's another thing, baby-cakes, the term "Africa" is a human one...a European one. It designates a geographic area....when I speak of Africans, Negroes, I do not mean everyone that lives within the human geographical construct of "Africa" but those restricted to the sub-Saharan areas where Negroes came to be and never grew out of, until the white man came to take them as slaves...something they were doing to each other for centuries.

One more thing to think of, as you imagine me angrily sweeping floors, necessity is the mother of invention.
The alligator never evolved from a certain point onward because it did not have to. It found a niche, was successful there, and there it stayed.
This is called stagnation...I also call it retardation when this also results in a reversal such as when a mind is sheltered and never has to fend for itself or think for itself.

I've said this about a thousand times, but here you are, another moron asking for it.

Retard, the Negroes were dominated because they never had to evolve beyond a certain point. They were in the primordial lands of humanity; they were comfortable there.
They didn't have to think too much, they never faces extinction as the Caucasians did during the Ice age, they never had to struggle to survive in areas unwelcoming to the human species.
They stagnated, only advancing enough to become even more comfortable or to compete with each other within their environment.

The oceans were encompassing them, and in the north the vastness of the Sahara kept them genetically isolated...except for that thin sliver of the Nile.

The Caucasians, on the other hand, experienced a kind of genetic renaissance...a genetic one...never-mind the alter one which actually produced the Renaissance.
They had to think to survive, those that innovated methods of coping with the harsh conditions of the north lived and propagated the others died.

Stupid, race is real, it is an actual fact....that today race-mixing is blurring the lines is another matter.....something I am writing about in my essay...yes....The Feminization of Mankind.

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:30 am

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The differences between individuals/races comes down solely to physical nature, as if you take that away nothing is left.

Among those races that have achieved less we find either a psycho-physical immaturity or a regressive, primitive animality.

It is the middle race that stands apart, differing from the others in the distance and quality of its evolution, giving it the ability to judge the others, but not be judged by them.

(When the others do judge it is criticism and an attempt to restrain the superior race, as in the course of nature the untermenschen are inevitably driven to extinction).

you really are fuking stupid. you mean how modern advances are keeping an idiot like you alive?

of course others can judge you as they have the ability to varying degrees just like you lack the ability to correctly due to your stupidity as well as your own blindspots. you keep believing you are immune.

white caucasians are the minority and becoming an increasing minority. of course, genes are never destroyed but can further mutate due to environment as well as passed on through interbreeding. you have to be a flaming idiot to think that it's other races that are being driven to extinction. is this your psycho-physical immaturity?

all societies and culture go through cycles of progress and stagnation. it's natural too.

as for innovation, there was going to come a time when further protection from natural environmental forces would no longer be the defining issue. but that's the whole point and price. innovation makes our life better or easier. then it's just about maintenance until a larger threat looms.

it seems you are so worried about other races even existing or doing alright. is your self-esteem that low that you have a problem existing in the world with others? is your ego that fragile that you need these fantasies that others are going to be driven to extinction? you are fucking disgusting.

clue: life is full of diversity, enjoy it.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:26 am

Maybe a new definition of "race" is required...one Heidegger, Hitler and many others, including Evola proposed.

Race as spirit...not as biology.
Of course biology still participates in increasing or decreasing the emergence of certain types of individuals.

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:47 am

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Vanitas wrote:
The differences between individuals/races comes down solely to physical nature, as if you take that away nothing is left.

Among those races that have achieved less we find either a psycho-physical immaturity or a regressive, primitive animality.

It is the middle race that stands apart, differing from the others in the distance and quality of its evolution, giving it the ability to judge the others, but not be judged by them.

(When the others do judge it is criticism and an attempt to restrain the superior race, as in the course of nature the untermenschen are inevitably driven to extinction).

you really are fuking stupid. you mean how modern advances are keeping an idiot like you alive?

of course others can judge you as they have the ability to varying degrees just like you lack the ability to correctly due to your stupidity as well as your own blindspots. you keep believing you are immune.

white caucasians are the minority and becoming an increasing minority. of course, genes are never destroyed but can further mutate due to environment as well as passed on through interbreeding. you have to be a flaming idiot to think that it's other races that are being driven to extinction. is this your psycho-physical immaturity?

all societies and culture go through cycles of progress and stagnation. it's natural too.

as for innovation, there was going to come a time when further protection from natural environmental forces would no longer be the defining issue. but that's the whole point and price. innovation makes our life better or easier. then it's just about maintenance until a larger threat looms.

it seems you are so worried about other races even existing or doing alright. is your self-esteem that low that you have a problem existing in the world with others? is your ego that fragile that you need these fantasies that others are going to be driven to extinction? you are fucking disgusting.

clue: life is full of diversity, enjoy it.
You're living in a fantasy, a dream, you stupid bitch. One created by beings far more intlligent and aggressive than you and you are just a puppet. The universe does not care for your understanding of 'diversity', but it drives organisms apart, as it drives galaxies apart, as even time and space are witnesses to your stupidity. Need I show the fossil record of evolution, which makes a laughing stock of your pathetic liberal hopes dear sheep? Diversity as promoted by the simulacrum is double-speak. What is actually promoted is a uniformity, a levelling. This is the white economic elites simply using the working class as a genetic buffer against the untermensch, whilst profiting from the labor of niggers and the like. In its old incarnation it was simply called divide and rule. Those pictures you see of non-whites in Western advertizing, with their straightened hair or lightened skin or widened eyes, living in environments alien to their nature, not intellectually created by them, filled with technology far beyond their ability to produce, they are being slowly erased from history you stupid fuck.

Most are already gone. Africa nothing more than a museum to human history. Its once savage animals the kings of the wild - a mythology still maintained by natural history documentaries - kept as pets in American mansions, as it's hominid population is kept for recreational sex and household chores by some Westerners, their primitive natures filtered and airbrushed out by the marketing men.



Again the birth rate of whites is only declining due to the action of the simulacrum, women's rights and those of the individual have taken precedence over the family, driving capitalism forward. There is nothing natural about it. Sheer reproductive numbers are no match for intelligence. All it requuires is one disease, one carefully synthesized virus and the herd is gone.

My fantasies you stupid bitch? Didn't nature, in an act of cosmic vandalism, exterminate the dinosaurs? Did I fantasize extinction on a global scale, let alone the micro-extinctions when a hominid lineage vanishes?

And yet eveything in this world gets exactly what it deserves, I make no exceptions for myself, which makes your claims about my supposed immunity retarded. I certainly made no such claims nor do I wish to be excluded, as such exclusion is impossible.

Innovation is just another tool of exploitation you idiot. Only a sheep would think that making one's life easier is improving its quality.

Neither is there such thing as other races 'doing alright', as you put it. Such colloquial verbage should be reserved for small talk or political sound bites. You are only lying for the simulacrum, as the fossil record shows us exactly the direction other races are heading.

The idea of random genetic mutation is nonsense. An organism can only change within the context of it's already existing physical structure, a human cannot be born with an elephant's trunk or a tigers teeth. Change accrue slowly, over millions of years. In hominids intelligence is always selected for again and again, as intelligence can overcome all environmental obstacles and defeat all predators. If you want to look for the elephants trunk or tigers teeth then look no further than the non-European races who still possess such regressive traits, in man they are indicated by the larger, protruding jaw and sloping forehead. The smaller, simian brain.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:34 am

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you are fucking disgusting.
I am disgusting because I choose to point out nature's indifference, whilst you prefer the comforting arms of secular liberalism, the most complex and sophisticated religion ever created. One that simultaneously does not insult your intelligence against the available evidence whilst preserving the doctrine of equality under God and man's eventual salvation through science and technology.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:14 pm

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Maybe a new definition of "race" is required...one Heidegger, Hitler and many others, including Evola proposed.

Race as spirit...not as biology.
Of course biology still participates in increasing or decreasing the emergence of certain types of individuals.
Don't we want to preserve our own, our brothers and sisters, daughters and sons, our family, race, no matter how genetically/memetically recessive and retarded they may be? Even if my brother is more of an idiot than my acquaintence, will I still not want to preserve my brothers life over the life of my acquaintance, is that not more/less consistence with human nature?
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:17 pm

I suppose for man, both is important, blood and merit.

What about your Hellenic tribe?
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:19 pm

Your new conception of race is like the old conception of creed, you want to preserve your philosophical, spiritual (as you use it) kin.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:22 pm

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Maybe a new definition of "race" is required...one Heidegger, Hitler and many others, including Evola proposed.

Race as spirit...not as biology.
Of course biology still participates in increasing or decreasing the emergence of certain types of individuals.
Don't we want to preserve our own, our brothers and sisters, daughters and sons, our family, race, no matter how genetically/memetically recessive and retarded they may be? Even if my brother is more of an idiot than my acquaintence, will I still not want to preserve my brothers life over the life of my acquaintance, is that not more/less consistence with human nature?
No....what is ill and weak should be eliminated even if it be my son.

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I suppose for man, both is important, blood and merit.

What about your Hellenic tribe?
My Hellenic tribe all but perished centuries ago; Christianity gave it the final crippling blow. Now all that remains are Jews and Turks, speaking an anglicized form of Greek.
What Greeks? The ones who consider Christianity and Hellenism compatible elements of identification?
Fuck them...they are dead and buried, just like the monuments and the temples... underneath churches with crosses and dirt.

But that spark the elders lit still burns in the hearts of some. It burns ironically in the barbarians heart most brightly.
To be Greek is not a racial quality, no more than it is to be a Jew....it is an attitude, a way of Being.

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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:38 pm

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You're living in a fantasy, a dream, you stupid bitch. One created by beings far more intlligent and aggressive than you and you are just a puppet. The universe does not care for your understanding of 'diversity', but it drives organisms apart, as it drives galaxies apart, as even time and space are witnesses to your stupidity. Need I show the fossil record of evolution, which makes a laughing stock of your pathetic liberal hopes dear sheep? Diversity as promoted by the simulacrum is double-speak. What is actually promoted is a uniformity, a levelling. This is the white economic elites simply using the working class as a genetic buffer against the untermensch, whilst profiting from the labor of niggers and the like. In its old incarnation it was simply called divide and rule. Those pictures you see of non-whites in Western advertizing, with their straightened hair or lightened skin or widened eyes, living in environments alien to their nature, not intellectually created by them, filled with technology far beyond their ability to produce, they are being slowly erased from history you stupid fuck.

Most are already gone. Africa nothing more than a museum to human history. Its once savage animals the kings of the wild - a mythology still maintained by natural history documentaries - kept as pets in American mansions, as it's hominid population is kept for recreational sex and household chores by some Westerners, their primitive natures filtered and airbrushed out by the marketing men.
I disagree with this- it seems the elite want to keep the Jewish race pure and muddy the white race with african, asiatic and hispanic immigrants with their superior birth rates.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:41 pm

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No....what is ill and weak should be eliminated even if it be my son.
Would you not prefer your son's life over the life of another boy, even if your son was a little dumber than the other boy?


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My Hellenic tribe all but perished centuries ago; Christianity gave it the final crippling blow. Now all that remains are Jews and Turks, speaking an anglicized form of Greek.
What Greeks? The ones who consider Christianity and Hellenism compatible elements of identification?
Fuck them...they are dead and buried, just like the monuments and the temples... underneath churches with crosses and dirt.

But that spark the elders lit still burns in the hearts of some. It burns ironically in the barbarians heart most brightly.
To be Greek is not a racial quality, no more than it is to be a Jew....it is an attitude, a way of Being.
What is this Greek attitude you speak of?
Is it the man who focuses on the exoteric, reality, rather than the esoteric, fantasy?
Is it the man who tries to live in accordance with reason, rather than with his passions?
The man who who places the life of his polis above his own life, and the life of his children, or vice versa?
The man who favors democracy and freedom for some (the healthy, the intelligent, those with wealth and power) and slavery for others?
The one who lives a moderate life, neither eating or drinking too much, or too little?
The one who is in touch with nature?
I wish to understand your Hellenic supremacism.


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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:00 pm

Do you not read it in Nietzsche?

It's a masculine spirit of no compromises, no surrender no submission to the unknown.
It's one which begins with dominating the drives, the instinct, the feminine qualities within himself.
It is esoteric and ascetic...but not as an end but as a means.

This is an encapsulation:

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Maybe a new definition of "race" is required...one Heidegger, Hitler and many others, including Evola proposed.

Race as spirit...not as biology.
Of course biology still participates in increasing or decreasing the emergence of certain types of individuals.
Spirit is only a word describing the inside of the container, its contours and modulations, the myriad, interwoven, complex networks. It's the byproduct of material reality, the negative space in between the matter, an echo of the physical world. This is why concepts such as spirit and mind are so hard to define. They are not 'things' in themselves but ghostly impressions resulting from the presence of matter. You're not the electical signals passing through your synapses or those from your optic nerve to your visual cortex. Your a summation of all the trillions of parallel connecting pathways in your brain - not the data itself - but the 'shape' of its output.

Your experience is telling you there's something there, your interacting with it, as your hand interacts with a table or a spoon, but the science is telling us the table and spoon are mostly empty space, the strung out atoms held together by fields of energy. The mind is a similar 'illusion', but one still dependent upon and defined by a material substratum.

In the case of race a more primitive organism is less refined, and its output and behavior are ghostly echoes of this primeval, material nature and hence a window into earlier hominid history.
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PostSubject: Re: Spaniards and Portuguese Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:04 pm

Vanitas wrote:
Satyr wrote:
Maybe a new definition of "race" is required...one Heidegger, Hitler and many others, including Evola proposed.

Race as spirit...not as biology.
Of course biology still participates in increasing or decreasing the emergence of certain types of individuals.
Spirit is only a word describing the inside of the container, its contours and modulations, the myriad, interwoven, complex networks. It's the byproduct of material reality, the negative space in between the matter, an echo of the physical world.
Not for me it isn't...but I get the metaphor.

I do not consider the word "inside" as anything more than a description of what lies hidden encompassed by a phenomenon.

As with everything the same term is sometimes used to describe the same concept.

Spirit, for me, is another way of saying essence.....nature.
The spirit of a person or of an age is the culmination of its past, as this becomes apparent in the present.

Vanitas wrote:
This is why concepts such as spirit and mind are so hard to define.
Not for me...but you might not accept my definition. People love to maintain the mystical in what they perceive. It gives them hope.

Vanitas wrote:
They are not 'things' in themselves, but ghostly impressions resulting from the presence of matter. You're not the electical signals passing through your synapses or those from your optic nerve to your visual cortex. Your a summation of all the trillions of parallel connecting pathways in your brain - not the data itself - but the 'shape' of its output.
The difficulty remains in describing the active, dynamic world by suing static, terms, implying inert things.

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Your experience is telling you there's something there, your interacting with it, as your hand interacts with a table or a spoon, but the science is telling us the table and spoon are mostly empty space, the strung out atoms held together by fields of energy. The mind is a similar 'illusion', but one still dependent upon and defined by a material substratum.
No space is not empty, it is a projection of possibilities.
There is only less or more activity.

But I like your description.

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