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PostSubject: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 20:58

I recently downloaded the audio-book, The Digital Divide: writings for and against Facebook, You Tube, Texting, and the Age of Social Networking, edited by Mark Bauerline, and must say that from what I’ve heard so far, it is an interesting and useful collection of studies on the social, psychological, and philosophical impact of digital technology. I would highly recommend it, especially given what we are immersed in here.

That said, one of the main themes I gotten from it is what results from an interaction between brain plasticity (a generally accepted concept among cognitive scientists) and the dominance of computer and internet technology. The general consensus, from what I’ve gathered is that computer technology is changing us in very fundamental ways, from the very structures of our brains, to the way we think and gather and process information to way we interact with others. For instance, it has been noted several times by several different writers that we seem less inclined to the old school method of reading long compositions of text and more toward grabbing quick bites of information. This would seem to apply to the kind of drive-by style of philosophizing we do here and why, when we set out to do a longer more polished piece, we can generally assume that it won’t be read.

Furthermore, I would argue that the issue has some application to the issue raised by tentative (and quite impressively) in their string: A Possible Explanation of Extremism.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=177587

Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.

That said, the primary point here is to explore whether these effects are real and, if they are, how they are affecting us and what we do here and, finally, how it will affect philosophical, intellectual, and creative inquiry.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 22:08

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I recently downloaded the audio-book, The Digital Divide: writings for and against Facebook, You Tube, Texting, and the Age of Social Networking, edited by Mark Bauerline, and must say that from what I’ve heard so far, it is an interesting and useful collection of studies on the social, psychological, and philosophical impact of digital technology. I would highly recommend it, especially given what we are immersed in here.

That said, one of the main themes I gotten from it is what results from an interaction between brain plasticity (a generally accepted concept among cognitive scientists) and the dominance of computer and internet technology. The general consensus, from what I’ve gathered is that computer technology is changing us in very fundamental ways, from the very structures of our brains, to the way we think and gather and process information to way we interact with others. For instance, it has been noted several times by several different writers that we seem less inclined to the old school method of reading long compositions of text and more toward grabbing quick bites of information. This would seem to apply to the kind of drive-by style of philosophizing we do here and why, when we set out to do a longer more polished piece, we can generally assume that it won’t be read.

Furthermore, I would argue that the issue has some application to the issue raised by tentative (and quite impressively) in their string: A Possible Explanation of Extremism.
This is also known as the MTV effect, the MTV generation.
Short attention spans nurtured by marketing ploys which play upon a natural tendency for consciousness to skirt from stimuli to stimuli.

The shallowness produced is advantageous for globalizing conditions.

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Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.
Your obsession with bullying is indicative of your type's association with the meek and the vulnerable.
You see yourself in the victim.

This is also the case when one witnesses wolves cornering a lamb on Nature Shows. The observer automatically associates with the victim, no matter how he claims to be secure and confident..giving new meaning to the metaphor of cynicism or to the tired example of "glass half empty"...usually used by simplistic thinkers to defend their absolute loyalty to uniformity.
It is an existential reaction to the indifference of nature.

Of course it is founded on similarity. The observer perceives in the lamb what is most like himself/herself and projects himself in its place, feeling its pain, imagining its stress, sharing in its fate.
Rarely does one relate to the joy of the kill the predator must be feeling, for the hunger, the depravity, is not something the average pampered, dolt, can relate to.

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That said, the primary point here is to explore whether these effects are real and, if they are, how they are affecting us and what we do here and, finally, how it will affect philosophical, intellectual, and creative inquiry.
There is also a recent obsession with schoolyard bullying.
It I an aspect of feminization.

In wanting to train the masculinity out of our children we reinforce the feminine demeanor making sure nothing of reality will ever touch them.
The weak and the children of the weak are kept in a cocooned condition where they need not ever deal with anything beyond a certain socially acceptable level.

The harshness of nature never touches them...and so they grow to be spoiled, naive, feeble minds who cannot stand the sight of death or cannot accept even the eating of meat.

Subsequently all are supposed to place themselves in a position of vulnerability, project themselves upon the victim , focus on the similarities rather than the differences between themselves and the other...and so minimize the sense of identity and reduce the discrimination of consciousness.

Of course to feel an other's pain and suffering is part of the human condition, as this is a product of lack...the flux sensed as continuous attrition. One feels feeble and vulnerable within the world, no matter what bravado he might display or what happiness and fulfillment he might indicate as being his state of mind.
But how much one feels this and what riggers this sensation of compassion and empathy is a result of one's self-awareness...his sense of self.

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The basic characteristic of a herd animal is that when it is placed outside the herd, alone, it is gripped with anxiety; distress increasing, as its desire to return to the herd become unbearable, making it jump over barbed-wire fences and run through fire or face-off against carnivores. The herd animal is unable to cope with solitude.
We can say that the degree to which an animal, can cope with solitude is inversely proportional to the size of the social group it is willing to belong to.
A creature with a more developed sense of self, a higher degree of self-consciousness, can only integrate itself in a social unity of small proportions and intimate relationships.
A creature with very little sense of self, a lower degree of self-consciousness, prefers the comfort of huge herds, within which it integrates easily and disappears, finding only pleasure in silly inconsequential displays of personality. - The Feminization of Mankind - Manifesto

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I would have no friends without enemies

Perhaps what you should consider is that the term "humanity", this all inclusive club where one enters into just by being born, is the most absurd generalization perpetuated by those who reject all "generalizations" which splinter it or that contradict its validity.
Natural selection has given way to social selection and genes are but foundations upon which memes are built, achieving the same separation of types.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 23:41

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Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.
I have no problem with cyber bullying so long as it's intelligent, pertinent cyber bullying.

I just care about reason, I don't care about people's feelings.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 23:43

Of course the internet increases instances of verbal bullying, but in turn it decreases instances of physical bullying.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 23:48

I think the internet has made us a smarter, more knowledgeable people. On second thought, I think we've sacrificed depth/quality of information and understanding for breadth/quantity of information and understanding. Overall, people will be smarter, more knowledgeable today than they were yesterday. The working man doesn't have time to read a book, but he has time to do a Google/Wikipedia search.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 23:55

The bit about cyber bullying was a bit disingenuous.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun 18 Dec 2011 - 23:57

The internet has democratized information, it has made the plebs more knowledgeable and the patricians more ignorant.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:01

Will this lead to a revolution.. maybe, once the masses realize just how badly they're being fucked. According to Alex Jones, Zbigniew Brzezinski said- "for the first time in history, the people are politically aware".
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:04

Here's something to consider:

There is no violence more vile than the one pretending to be benevolent and kind.

The christian church, for example, comes bearing "good tidings", offering words of comfort and hope, yet it does the greatest violence to the human mind, teaching it, from an early age, to despise itself, to hate the world, to consider anything contrary to its subjective desire a thing of evil.
This closing of the mind leads to a fanaticism, often masking as "open minded" concern.

The road to hell it is said, is paved with good intentions.
There are two kinds of "violence", or aggression: the overt, direct kind, which I call masculine...and the indirect, covert kind, which I call feminine.
We can consider Hitler's style an example of the former and the Christian style as an example the latter.

The first uses force; the second seduction.
One has hate as its central motivator; the other love.

By far the most successful is the second, as it makes the one being dominated feel as if it is of his own volition; it plays upon his vanities and his fears; it convinces him that to be a slave is the best option, making his the perfect prisoner, because he is his own jailor and he requires no fences, for they are now mental.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:10

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Will this lead to a revolution.. maybe, once the masses realize just how badly they're being fucked. According to Alex Jones, Zbigniew Brzezinski said- "for the first time in history, the people are politically aware".
There is no chance of that.
In fact the amount of information decreases the chance of rebellion.

The minds are drowned in data...but not given the methods of discerning which are valid or more pertinent and which are garbage. They are given knowledge, information; they are told what to think but not taught how to think.
We live in a time where regurgitating knowledge stands for intelligence.

See in the forum this manimal comes from how the dissemination of information dominates, whereas nothing is said about what it means or how it is useful.
People throw around terms like "immanent" or "nature" or "self" or "love" without ever daring to analyze what these words mean.
Sauwelios just decided that Nietzsche was some kind of God, and that he would be his disciple.

These days he's making him sound like Spinoza. He states "God is dead" when all along he's promoting the "primordial one".

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:11

I agree, if I have cancer, I want people to say- hey asshole, you're obese, you smoke like a chimney, that lump on your head is probably a tumor, you should get that thing checked out dumb ass, I don't want people to say- oh it's probably nothing, everything will be just fine, Jesus will take care of it. The point is, in the long run, the lie is usually more destructive than the truth, no matter how pleasant and soothing that lie may be, and there are those who try to heal and harm with lies (Jews), and there are those who try to heal with truth (Greeks). If the Greeks want to harm you, they'll opt for the more direct method.

In short, fuck the Jews.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:29

The distinction goes beyond nationalities.
It has to do with a way of looking at the world.
That it was via the Jews that Rome became infected with a virus which flourished, first amongst the rabble and then because the world environment was becoming congested with people is a matter of historical chance.

It is true that the Jews were the perfect contaminator. They were spread amongst the Europeans with no land of their own; they had a history and a spirituality based no this history which was slavish and pretentiously humble; they developed the survival mechanisms to survive within mostly threatening peoples, finding niches to exploit and cultivating the insights of an outsider.
That this mindset coupled with segments of Hellenic thought to produce the suepr-virus we know as Christianity is again a matter of historical interest. With this adaptation this mindset overcame its limitations and it spread like wildfire...it turned from the "philosophy of the chosen" to a "universal philosophy".

It's effects can be seen in the minds it infects.
They cannot even think outside of the presuppositions they are infected with, considering them beyond reproach and "logical".

The seductive power is evident, as it proposes a "solution" to an existential ailment, when the idea that life is a disease has already been established.
It tells those who have been "wronged" by natural selection that they to can be just like those they admire...that their condition is correctable.
This idea alone is too alluring to be denied by the masses.
Where in nature these masses would be greatly diminished in this world they are allowed to flourish; aided and supported for reasons which I will not go into now.

Can you imagine, just as an example, how powerful a message can be when it tells the ugly that beauty is "skin deep" and that there is a more profound "inner beauty" and that appearances do not matter?
The very idea on its own is seductive.
It offers the only remedy to fear known to a conscious and self-conscious creature: hope.

None will doubt it; not even the beautiful, for it will turn the crowds against them.

The goal here is total inclusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:40

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There is no chance of that.
In fact the amount of information decreases the chance of rebellion.

The minds are drowned in data...but not given the methods of discerning which are valid or more pertinent and which are garbage. They are given knowledge, information; they are told what to think but not taught how to think.
We live in a time where regurgitating knowledge stands for intelligence.
This may or may not be true, philosophy forums are teaching some people how to think, and not just bombarding the mind with information. Giving them the tools to comprehend and organize that information, and to discern fact from fiction, truth from lies. Now those who are able to think for themselves have the opportunity, through the internet, to impart their methods and techniques to others.

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See in the forum this manimal comes from how the dissemination of information dominates, whereas nothing is said about what it means or how it is useful.
People throw around terms like "immanent" or "nature" or "self" or "love" without ever daring to analyze what these words mean.
Sauwelios just decided that Nietzsche was some kind of God, and that he would be his disciple.

These days he's making him sound like Spinoza. He states "God is dead" when all along he's promoting the "primordial one".
Right, I guess that's just the sort of animals they are, I've always focused more on the facts and arguments rather than how they're presented. Those who are more able to do this will probably have a better chance of surviving in the long run. Knowledge is power, ignorance and delusion are weaknesses. Imagine a creature who always places what makes him or her feel good in the short term over what's actually good for them. Such a creature is either mentally retarded, emotionally hypersensitive, or has forsaken their reason for some.. "reason". Maybe they think the long term/utility isn't worth considering, for it's too uncertain, so they opt for the lie instead, the quick fix, oh, just pop that pill and everything will be fine, treat the symptoms and not the disease, just pray to Buddha or Krishna and everything will be OK, you can keep eating, drinking and smoking your poison, we're all going to die anyway so who cares. You see, in some cases, it's not just that they're dumb, or emotionally hypersensitive, sometimes they actually have "reasons" for why they shouldn't pay heed to the truth/future consequences and live in a fairytale world of lies, drugs, junk food and secular mythologies. I think it's important to explore they're love of lies, what makes these people tick.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 0:58

There is no "hypersensitivity" here. These are thick-skinned cattle.
They require a hammer blow to feel anything.
This is why they can commune so easily in vulgar situations, and see nothing wrong in it.

Everything must be shouted; repeated.
No subtlety will suffice for these myriads of chattel. They need a tazer-shock to get a sensation. this is why in this culture all is exaggerated, hyper-inflated, hammered in with constant repetition by those with the means and the access.

Look at modern-day politics in the U.S.
Constant repetition...with no real substance. Just emotional manipulation, void of all reasoning.

But we see it in art...the loud the vulgar the simple...the forever sampled and re-sampled.
Look at sex...the exaggerated, the ideal...everything is larger....sex has to be a circus act or it will not do.
Look at love...love has to be universal... all must deserve it....all must have it...nothing less will do. It must be made "profound" in its simplicity and deep in its shallowness.

Look at consciousness...it must be godly.....mystical...connecting us to the universal...the eternal. It must be made holy by diminishing it; it must be "expanded" by containing it.

Thee is no hypersensitivity...there is only thickness.
The subtle is gone.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 2:44

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There is no "hypersensitivity" here. These are thick-skinned cattle.
They require a hammer blow to feel anything.
This is why they can commune so easily in vulgar situations, and see nothing wrong in it.

Everything must be shouted; repeated.
No subtlety will suffice for these myriads of chattel. They need a tazer-shock to get a sensation. this is why in this culture all is exaggerated, hyper-inflated, hammered in with constant repetition by those with the means and the access.

Look at modern-day politics in the U.S.
Constant repetition...with no real substance. Just emotional manipulation, void of all reasoning.

But we see it in art...the loud the vulgar the simple...the forever sampled and re-sampled.
Look at sex...the exaggerated, the ideal...everything is larger....sex has to be a circus act or it will not do.
Look at love...love has to be universal... all must deserve it....all must have it...nothing less will do. It must be made "profound" in its simplicity and deep in its shallowness.

Look at consciousness...it must be godly.....mystical...connecting us to the universal...the eternal. It must be made holy by diminishing it; it must be "expanded" by containing it.

Thee is no hypersensitivity...there is only thickness.
The subtle is gone.
Hmmm, I disagree. I think delusion, which is what we're talking about here, mythologies like absolute and universal social and biological equality, God, the afterlife, etc, would be more popular amongst the emotionally sensitive, and the rationally insensitive, in addition to the weak, and downtrodden.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 2:51

However, even the strong can be made to feel this way, as we can all be humbled by life, thus the poison can seep into every race, intellect and culture, high and low, but particularly low, which is where much of it began, in Israel.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 3:13

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Can you imagine, just as an example, how powerful a message can be when it tells the ugly that beauty is "skin deep" and that there is a more profound "inner beauty" and that appearances do not matter?
The very idea on its own is seductive.
It offers the only remedy to fear known to a conscious and self-conscious creature: hope.

None will doubt it; not even the beautiful, for it will turn the crowds against them.
Yes I've never been seduced by lies like this. I don't think anyone but the severely mentally disabled (below 90 IQ) or the young would believe in such nonsense.. then again, Muslims believe that when they martyr themselves, Allah will award them with 70 virgins, so..

I suppose delusion is a necessary coping mechanism for some, those who've been sheltered, or those who are emotionally sensitive, weak. Perhaps some humans evolved a self hypnosis gene, if there is a particular gene, to cope with life's many hardships. On the other hand, some increased they're intellect and reduced they're emotional sensitivity.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 3:17

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The distinction goes beyond nationalities.
It has to do with a way of looking at the world.
That it was via the Jews that Rome became infected with a virus which flourished, first amongst the rabble and then because the world environment was becoming congested with people is a matter of historical chance.
I agree. We can see some of it in Pythagoras and Plato, especially in the Eleatics and the Megarians, in the Hindus, Ajivikas, Buddhists and Jains, it is most dominant amongst the Jews, however. 1st the Jew tries to spread it to us, as part of his cultural critique, he tries to get us to adopt this sweet, sweet poison, this effeminate, servile, anti-life attitude, if that fails, he tries to lower us to the level of dogs, he sends in the drug fiends, the clowns, the porno kings and the nihilists, to subvert our culture with his degenerate, fucked up ways, for dogs our easier to control and to manipulate. However, they keep their culture and bloodline as pure as they possibly can in Palestine, while they muddy ours with nigger semen. They want us to feel guilty for standing out, for being superior, they deny our achievements and accomplishments even as they covet them.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 5:39

Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise? This notion to transcend the material and the physical, to enter this blissful, docile, trance like tranquility? Satyr thinks it stems from numbness, a numbness induced by sheltering, or genes, poor, dumb, dull, emotionally and rationally insensitive genes, where as I think the religious impulse tends to come from too much negativity, not necessarily too soon. The mind is overburdened and overwhelmed with stimuli to horrible to process, so it schizophrenically splits, detaches from the world. Here, within the womb like confines of the mind, or the more advanced schizophrenia of another mind, it is free to reshape the world in it's own image, generating fantastic visions of Gods, angels, ghosts and immortality, or a physical paradise containing a limitless bounty of delicious fruits and sparkling water, cities covered in gold and silver. Anything that attempts to burst this bubble of absolute, universal peace, love and equality is now called the devil, evil, monstrous and wicked, things that should be put to death.

The religious mind is a traumatized one, a mind that has felt too much, not necessarily too soon, it retreats from the horrible, hostile world. If I'm wrong, we'd expect to find an abundance of spiritualism in Greece and Rome, not in Israel. Some of these fools believe paradise can be established here, now, or soon, with the help of divine intervention and "good thoughts, words and deeds", in other words, thoughts, words and deeds that perpetuate the lie and conceal the truth, and then there are those, like the Christians and the Buddhists, who believe paradise can only be established in an afterworld, either in a physical world to come, or in "the spirit". Muslims are somewhere in between.

The Greco-Roman attitude, the one that realistically tries to improve the world, and preserve previous improvements, primarily for one's self, family, friends and race, is gone, replaced by the fanatically fantastic and the imaginary. The delusion has been perpetuated and secularized by men like Karl Mark, Jacques Fresco and many others. Before we were told we are all one and perfect in the spirit, now we are told we are all one and perfect in the flesh, or we will be remade to be. This is the lie, therefore Lucifer, symbolically speaking, is the truth, the Garden of Eden represents the state of a madman, a lunatic retard, Lucifer is Morpheus, the one who comes to wake one up from one's catatonic slumber, from Peter Pan's never never land, who is called a liar and a demon by those desperately clinging to their delusion, or those pulling the strings/holding the keys.. the gatekeepers of wonderland.

The Jews are all too familiar with this state of mind, in fact it was one of their few strengths, this lie that God is somehow on their side, despite all evidence to the contrary, is what sustained them as a people even after all these years, and all that bloodletting, raping and ravaging of their people. Then the virus spread to us somehow, perhaps it was a Jewish plot, a conspiracy, I am uncertain.

The only way he can beat us is to bring us down to his level or lower. Everything in Jewish culture is negative. Critique, critique, critique, they are incapable of constructing/preserving anything of value on their own. You see people who are in this zombie like state of absolute bliss and oneness can easily be manipulated. Don't worry they tell us, nothing matters, turn the other cheek, he who is a poor, bitch slave here, shall inherit the kingdom. We are all children of the same father. The doctrine is particularly alluring to the weak, the cowardly, the feeble minded, for they have little or no hope in this world, but it can work on almost anyone, it can be very seductive, to believe that you are immortal, perfect, and at one with everything and everyone in the universe, but I have too much pride, dignity and self respect, too much love for truth to buy such despicable lies, no matter how horrible the truth may be.

The Jews now use this state of mind as a weapon against us. No doubt many of their own people believe it, however, something very contrary is being practiced in Israel, an Israel funded and protected by the United States. the Jews have become everything they supposedly despise, and have supposedly fought against. What hypocrites, cowards and punks they are. To Israel with them, let them all go there. The US, Canada and Europe should not lift a finger for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 8:11

Observe people with diss-associative identity disorder (aka multiple personality disorder). Often the deluded have been severely traumatized, not necessarily just by a harsh environment, but upon realizing how weak and pathetic they really are, in relation to that environment, and the co-inhabitants of it. Sometimes sheltering individuals from the horrors of the world and from themselves, can have a disastrous effect when the individual suddenly realizes the world is not a pleasant place, or they are not as special and deserving as they thought they were, so they retreat into artificial constructs of their own creation, or to Marxism, Scientology, etc. Sometimes no sheltering is required, as life, when sufficiently horrific, can potentially force us all, even the most strong minded and willed among us, into deluding ourselves, as a coping, survival mechanism.

Your argument that the less emotionally sensitive would be more inclined to delusion and exaggeration is one I have not heard before, thus I have yet to consider it, so I'll have to ponder it further. I suppose it could work either way, being hypersensitive, due to sheltering (being told the world is sugar, spice and everything nice), genes, or being faced with extraordinarily horrific circumstances (rape, torture, losing a loved one, contracting a major illness, etc) could bring about Schizophrenia, or cause someone to convert to Christianity, since they have no hope in reality, after all, do people not suddenly convert to Christianity upon being confronted by death, or pray to the Gods when facing a tremendous ordeal? On the other hand I suppose, being extremely emotionally dull, in addition to being mentally dull, could attract one to the fantastic, for only the fantastic could make them feel, something.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 8:49

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Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise?
Your analysis is too personal.

Primarily it arises as a form of social control, as the Romans realized how useful Christianity would be in controlling and manipulating the minds and bodies of the masses. Religion is projected from the top down - it is imposed.



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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 9:08

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This is also known as the MTV effect, the MTV generation.
Short attention spans nurtured by marketing ploys which play upon a natural tendency for consciousness to skirt from stimuli to stimuli.

The shallowness produced is advantageous for globalizing conditions.
It also conveniently hides the intellectual inadequacies of blacks and other hominid groups of low intelligence.

It becomes almost impossible to say something with any depth, as one is immediately attacked as elitist and racist.

It's got to the point now where attending intellectual events with blacks present severely curtails what one is able to say. It's like they're drones of Big Brother, put there to dumb things down and prevent the discussion going anywhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 13:53

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Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise?
From the desire to disappear back into the "nothingness" of non-existence. The latter being a definition of the state prior to birth.
It is a rejection of existence and the sensation of it, as need/suffering.

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This notion to transcend the material and the physical, to enter this blissful, docile, trance like tranquility?
There is a love/hate duality here. the mind of the nihilist rejects existence but cannot reject the sensation of it. He wishes to die while living...it is the zombie metaphor best exemplified by the christian conception of the "afterlife".

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Satyr thinks it stems from numbness, a numbness induced by sheltering, or genes, poor, dumb, dull, emotionally and rationally insensitive genes, where as I think the religious impulse tends to come from too much negativity, not necessarily too soon. The mind is overburdened and overwhelmed with stimuli to horrible to process, so it schizophrenically splits, detaches from the world.
Satyr thinks that most living in today's world are incapable of coping with existence outside the sheltering effects of modernity, which proposes an artificial wall between man and nature.
Most owing their life to this sheltering wall are totally enamored and dedicated in persevering it. Once they accomplish this they are free to build their delusions within it because nothing outside the contexts they've surrendered to will ever disturb their imagination/fantasy.

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Your argument that the less emotionally sensitive would be more inclined to delusion and exaggeration is one I have not heard before, thus I have yet to consider it, so I'll have to ponder it further. I suppose it could work either way, being hypersensitive, due to sheltering (being told the world is sugar, spice and everything nice), genes, or being faced with extraordinarily horrific circumstances (rape, torture, losing a loved one, contracting a major illness, etc) could bring about Schizophrenia, or cause someone to convert to Christianity, since they have no hope in reality, after all, do people not suddenly convert to Christianity upon being confronted by death, or pray to the Gods when facing a tremendous ordeal? On the other hand I suppose, being extremely emotionally dull, in addition to being mentally dull, could attract one to the fantastic, for only the fantastic could make them feel, something.
Correction: Hypersensitivity refers to the senses.
The word itself indicates it.
It does not refer to the emotions which are (re)actions to this sensual input.

Emotions are reprogrammed (re)actions to particular stimulation. They are ingrained and automatic and so they lack reason and they most often usurp reason.
You are confusing the two.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 15:13

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From the desire to disappear back into the "nothingness" of non-existence. The latter being a definition of the state prior to birth.
It is a rejection of existence and the sensation of it, as need/suffering.
Orrr.. could it be a desire to enter a more perfect existence? An existence where physical, emotional and mental need still exists and is still experienced, but where it can easily and readily be satisfied by God, and the paradise he has erected. You see, it is the horror of death, the finality of our existence that causes some of us to search for panaceas, elixirs and fountains of youth, that causes some of us to deny this existence and affirm an imaginary one of our own creation, where want and need are perpetually satisfied, unlike this world, where our desires are often frustrated. Death is not pleasurable to most religious minds.. it is a thought to horrible to bare. They want to keep their individuation, not dissolve into the flux. There is a paradox here. Life is the struggle to survive, the will to live, if the goal could be forever attained, if a man could be perfectly completed and, whole, could he be said to be alive? A difficult question, if everyone of my needs was satisfied, would I be conscious? One way of resolving this paradox is, the soul still longs, but this longing can be readily and eternally satiated, requiring little effort.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 15:21

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There is a love/hate duality here. the mind of the nihilist rejects existence but cannot reject the sensation of it. He wishes to die while living...it is the zombie metaphor best exemplified by the christian conception of the "afterlife".
Is the Parmenidean somethingist and the Gorgian nothingist really the same? Many enter Christianity because they are frightened by the prospect of their own demise. If a man was immortal, would he completely shut down, turn off? Difficult to say.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 15:22

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Satyr thinks that most living in today's world are incapable of coping with existence outside the sheltering effects of modernity, which proposes an artificial wall between man and nature. Most owing their life to this sheltering wall are totally enamored and dedicated in persevering it. Once they accomplish this they are free to build their delusions within it because nothing outside the contexts they've surrendered to will ever disturb their imagination/fantasy.
People imagined all sorts of frightful and fanciful things in the dark ages.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 15:29

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Correction: Hypersensitivity refers to the senses.
The word itself indicates it.
It does not refer to the emotions which are (re)actions to this sensual input.

Emotions are reprogrammed (re)actions to particular stimulation. They are ingrained and automatic and so they lack reason and they most often usurp reason.
You are confusing the two.
We could consciously, manually place ourselves in situations where we're more liable to feel something, something grand.

If death is what these minds truly desired, then they ought to be happy, what need would they have of miracles, heaven, Gods and faith? I'd say they want a more fantastic, wonderful life. To be a child again, not knowing death. Most of them do not want their distinctiveness to cease, they want to preserve it in the form of a ghost, a resurrection or a reincarnation. Spirituality is a form of self love, and a love for other "souls".
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 16:28

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Orrr.. could it be a desire to enter a more perfect existence?
If this "perfection" is in complete antithesis to the existent then it represents a total rejection of it.

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An existence where physical, emotional and mental need still exists and is still experienced, but where it can easily and readily be satisfied by God, and the paradise he has erected.
Right here is where your total rejection of the world shines through.

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You see, it is the horror of death, the finality of our existence that causes some of us to search for panaceas, elixirs and fountains of youth, that causes some of us to deny this existence and affirm an imaginary one of our own creation, where want and need are perpetually satisfied, unlike this world, where our desires are often frustrated.
And searching for panaceas in the non-existent is the very definition of nihilism.
If your conception of God is perfect, omnipotent, immortal, omniscient, then you are contradicting the real. You are projecting your own need as a presumed solution, as if existence requires such a solution and as if this solution does not represent the very annihilation of all the circumstances that made you possible. .

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Death is not pleasurable to most religious minds.. it is a thought to horrible to bare. They want to keep their individuation, not dissolve into the flux. There is a paradox here.
The "paradox" is in the mind which suffers from "wordspeak" or "compartmentalization...or that has been confused by language in thinking that the noumenon IS the phenomenon rather than a representation of it.

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Life is the struggle to survive, the will to live, if the goal could be forever attained, if a man could be perfectly completed and, whole, could he be said to be alive?
It depends on how you define "alive" or existing.
If you define it as a Being then man is not that; if you define it as Becoming then man is definitely alive and kicking.
Being would be the end of existing.

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A difficult question, if everyone of my needs was satisfied, would I be conscious?
There would be no need for it because there would be no need to make it (re)act.

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One way of resolving this paradox is, the soul still longs, but this longing can be readily and eternally satiated, requiring little effort.
The paradox is in taking language literally.
If the "soul" whatever the hell that means, "longs" then this longing is a need which contradicts its perfection...the "little effort" comes from a mind used to the modern western lifestyle.
Nature is frugal.
Why do you "long" for fats and sugars to the point where you might even kill yourself when placed in an artificially maintained environment of abundance?
Because in nature these life-maintaining elements are rare.

Why do you long for beauty and the symmetry, order, it implies?
Because in nature it is absent and entropy is the experienced.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 19:56

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Right here is where your total rejection of the world shines through.
I don't hate the world.

There are parts of me that like it and there are parts of me that dislike it.

If I hated the world, I wouldn't be sitting here typing to you, I'd be swinging from the ceiling.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what spirituality is and where it comes from.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 20:33

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The paradox is in taking language literally.
If the "soul" whatever the hell that means, "longs" then this longing is a need which contradicts its perfection...the "little effort" comes from a mind used to the modern western lifestyle.
Nature is frugal.
We can find these visions, a life of ease and comfort, in genesis, in the garden of Eden and in revelations.

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Why do you "long" for fats and sugars to the point where you might even kill yourself when placed in an artificially maintained environment of abundance?
Because in nature these life-maintaining elements are rare.
Yes, and this is why in the 20th and 21st centuries, man has become his own worst enemy. Where as before, nature was his number one enemy, and the barbarians who inhabited it, now we've become our worst enemy, our insatiable appetites, which is why we must cultivate ourselves, be disciplined, vigilant. Too much leisure and especially luxury has spoiled us. I think we should try to find a balance between nature and civilization.

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Why do you long for beauty and the symmetry, order, it implies?
Because in nature it is absent and entropy is the experienced.
This is only partially true, there is beauty in nature also, harmony and symmetry, from the moon, the stars and sun, to the flora and fauna. There is also the ugliness of death and the chaos of the terrain, and it is this ugliness man has tried to escape from. I think we should try to preserve some of it, weeds and all.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 21:51

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Why do you long for beauty and the symmetry, order, it implies?
Because in nature it is absent and entropy is the experienced.
This is only partially true, there is beauty in nature also, harmony and symmetry, from the moon, the stars and sun, to the flora and fauna. There is also the ugliness of death and the chaos of the terrain, and it is this ugliness man has tried to escape from. I think we should try to preserve some of it, weeds and all.
The irony is that life could not exist without asymmetry. A perfectly symmetrical universe is a dead universe. Asymmetry must exist, as the possibility for change. It is the imperfections in the crystal, in the DNA, which give rise to new shapes, new morphologies.

Perhaps what we find attractive in the perfectly symmetrical is death, an end to life and suffering. The imagined perfection, immutable and unchanging.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon 19 Dec 2011 - 22:21

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Right here is where your total rejection of the world shines through.
I don't hate the world.

There are parts of me that like it and there are parts of me that dislike it.

If I hated the world, I wouldn't be sitting here typing to you, I'd be swinging from the ceiling.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what spirituality is and where it comes from.

And I gave you a possible explanation.
I also gave you the possible root of paradoxes and how the religious sentiment is, or can be when it comes to most popular spiritual dogmas, a self-contradicting one.

Why don't you "swing from the ceiling" if you hate the world?
For one the religions of today have considered this and have made ti a "sin", with the threat of eternal damnation given to dissuade the most vehement self-hater from ending it all.
A second possible reason is what I often refer to as "the ideal not meeting the real". The ideal offered by Christianity is not sufficient to deal with the real, and so it depends on brain-washing, threats, promises and still the real does not bend. Look at adultery in Islamic states and how despite the threat of death it still occurs.

Symmetry is attractive wherever we perceive it, such as in the cycles of nature or in cosmic predictability. The mind is an ordering mechanism and it finds order attractive, particularly if it is ready-made or is characterized by a higher level of it.
This is what is attractive about power or how even physically ugly but highly intelligent male can be irresistible to a female, or to a lesser male or a child.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Tue 20 Dec 2011 - 2:43

Bah-Humbug!

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This is also known as the MTV effect, the MTV generation.
Short attention spans nurtured by marketing ploys which play upon a natural tendency for consciousness to skirt from stimuli to stimuli.

The shallowness produced is advantageous for globalizing conditions.

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Your obsession with bullying is indicative of your type's association with the meek and the vulnerable.
You see yourself in the victim.

This is also the case when one witnesses wolves cornering a lamb on Nature Shows. The observer automatically associates with the victim, no matter how he claims to be secure and confident..giving new meaning to the metaphor of cynicism or to the tired example of "glass half empty"...usually used by simplistic thinkers to defend their absolute loyalty to uniformity.
It is an existential reaction to the indifference of nature.

Of course it is founded on similarity. The observer perceives in the lamb what is most like himself/herself and projects himself in its place, feeling its pain, imagining its stress, sharing in its fate.
Rarely does one relate to the joy of the kill the predator must be feeling, for the hunger, the depravity, is not something the average pampered, dolt, can relate to.

First of all, I knew I could count on you, satyr.

That said, the first quote is kind of hard to disagree with. At the same time, I think there is a lot more to it that is complimentary to your point. For instance, James Burke, in one of his several TV series (back when TV actually tried to educate people) pointed out (this was the mid 90’s) that technology, or I should say the progress of technology, was progressing in a manner similar to Galileo’s Law of Falling Bodies: at a constant rate of acceleration. The problem was, he pointed out, was that this could lead to a “taste for novelty”. This taste for novelty, if you think about it, would lead to a higher stimulus level as was indicated by the No Fear movement we were both witness to. Furthermore, I think it would lead to the kind of surface appearance without substance I get from your articulations -by which I mean you recognizing them, not you representing them.

Now as far as the second quote: it was a fair and articulate assessment of me. I have no problem with it.

However, I think you underestimate my taste for the kill in the last point. Now you, yourself, have pointed to the maternal aspect of what I do. Now imagine what a mother would do to protect its young. Think about nature. Imagine the extremes she would go to. Imagine the bloodlust.



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Beyond that, it's a matter of your estimate of my intelligence.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Tue 20 Dec 2011 - 3:27

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First of all, I knew I could count on you, satyr.
I think you know a lot about me, dear boy.
I'm like putty in your small boyish hands.

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Now as far as the second quote: it was a fair and articulate assessment of me. I have no problem with it.
However, I think you underestimate my taste for the kill in the last point. Now you, yourself, have pointed to the maternal aspect of what I do. Now imagine what a mother would do to protect its young. Think about nature. Imagine the extremes she would go to. Imagine the bloodlust.
I don't need to imagine, dear boy...or should I call you my "dear girl" from now on?
I've seen it first-hand.

I think an animal cornered is to be respected, no matter how small and insignificant it might be out in the open.
I've personally been attacked by a rooster when as I child I tried to catch him.

Now here's something a mother like you might not have considered:
The mother's sacrifice, her risks, her devotion and willingness to die, suits the male who simply impregnates her with an idea.
Also, a mother is helpless outside hr group.

A pride of lions rarely attacks a healthy buffalo, but when they do they try to separate it from the herd because no matter how stupid and cowardly a buffalo is on it sown it becomes a formidable force in a crowd. Now, if this buffalo also happens to be protecting a youngling then the risks are even greater.
This is why herbivore herd animals tend to close ranks when under threat....excluding the alien entity.

You are free to believe that I've "underestimated your taste for the kill" because this might be an underestimation of my thinking which satisfies my motives.
But, just to make this more sporting, maybe me running "wild" and "growling" through your herd was a way of making all you "loving", "rational", "enlightened" cows show that underlying nature....hiding beneath that thick hide.
Maybe, it was a way of separating the weakest amongst you, so that the rest could then run to its aid, exposing herd-dynamics.

But seriously, what a boring bunch of cows you are over there.
Even your little vengeance are typical and dull.

The only thing interesting left there is some Nieatzchean bitch who sucks on her "bid daddy's" cock year after year...after year.... and who has now come to imagine him as another Jew...or a variant of the Christianity he, supposedly, despised.
Have you read Nietzsche comments on Spinoza or on the Jews?
Can't say for sure, because I really don't care about it all that much, but the man must be turning in his grave, seeing these post-modern effete fucks making a mockery of him.
The idol breaker being idolized; the anti-Judeo-Christian being associated with Judeo-Christian rhetoric...They also tried to reinvent Heidegger after the war, but modern technologies left behind too many texts and too much evidence to apologize for and to redefine so as to bring him up-to-speed with modernistic political-correctness.

Poor Nietzsche never had that luxury, and he lends himself to redefinitions with that poetic style of his. He learned form the best.
Schopenhauer, on the other hand, was not one to mince words and to play these girlish games.

But, was not Jesus also "reinterpreted" after his death? Do they not build shrines to a man who talked about the unnecessary symbolism of temples? Was not the very one who refused earthly authority made into an idol of earthly authority?

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Beyond that, it's a matter of your estimate of my intelligence.
This should not worry you too much, dear girl, for "intelligence" is but a part of it.
My estimations are always fluid...ongoing and constantly reworked. But I have found that when it comes to humans, particularly those with a liberal slant and living in this post-modern age, these adjustments are slight...for there is a consistence, as you would expect with herbivores and simple creatures who deny their nature, or the existence of their nature.

For instance, the ploys they use to "anger" me, is becoming a steady supply of mirth for me.
I give into it, because it's funny....


So fuck you you stupid cunt!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Tue 20 Dec 2011 - 19:59

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Your obsession with bullying is indicative of your type's association with the meek and the vulnerable.
You see yourself in the victim.

Perhaps. But it might also be recognition of how silly, unproductive, and, ultimately, superficial it is.

I would further argue that the obsession with the act of bullying is indicative of your type’s insecurity, lack of confidence in their assertions, and overinflated need for attention.

You may see yourself as the predator. But this is only the product of fantasies of empowerment that all men tend to engage in. Consequently, this raises the question of how adequate and prepared your type is for the very scenario based on social Darwinism that you are endorsing. I mean it’s one thing to sit behind your computers, tighten your fists, and talk tough. But how ready for it are you, really?

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giving new meaning to the metaphor of cynicism or to the tired example of "glass half empty"...usually used by simplistic thinkers to defend their absolute loyalty to uniformity.
It is an existential reaction to the indifference of nature.

Yes, let’s talk about simplistic. For instance: this notion that any assertion that isn’t explicitly negative must be the product of dishonesty and uniformity –that is with no real explanation of how that is. I mean it is real easy to establish a criterion based on cynicism and negativity, then proceed to extract bleakest assessments you can find. In that sense, you’re like the cliché of the Goth existentialist. It’s something else to honestly confront the complexity of the world.

Furthermore, let’s talk about pretention: such as the use of the qualifier “existential” which seems a little redundant given that all reactions are existential, and can only be there to make the statement seem a little more intelligent than it actually is.

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Of course it is founded on similarity. The observer perceives in the lamb what is most like himself/herself and projects himself in its place, feeling its pain, imagining its stress, sharing in its fate.
Rarely does one relate to the joy of the kill the predator must be feeling, for the hunger, the depravity, is not something the average pampered, dolt, can relate to.

Actually, I would argue that average pampered dolt is the one incapable of projecting themselves into the lamb because they’re the ones who, having fell into a position of power, automatically assume that their power was achieved in some kind of vacuum and is purely the product of will and not, say, genetics or social position. The folly of this, for instance, was quickly discovered by NAZI’s who, at the end of the war and at the discovery of their atrocities, found themselves standing on chairs with ropes around their necks, who found themselves in the position of the lamb.

So guys, it’s all good and well to sit behind your computers in heated homes with your belly full and feign the air of urban primates. But let’s be clear, while it may be natural for some beings to dominate others; it is equally natural for weaker members to pool their power to overthrow that of the dominant. It happens all the time in nature. In fact, everything taking its natural course, it seems a little silly to make any appeal to the authority of nature. Likely, any application of the word “natural” is little more than a simplistic attempt to give an assertion more certainty than it actually warrants.

But we all gotta find our flow. And if this is yours, knock yourself out. Given the extremity of it and the general moderate position of everyone else, it’s not likely to be of much consequence. However, should it find some validation through the social and political system, as it sometimes does, just remember, when the table turns yet again, as it often does in the face of injustice, to keep screaming heil hitler when you’re standing on a barrel with a noose around your neck.

And by the way, these notions that guys like me are out to “weaken” society or circumvent evolution: utter nonsense. If anything, we are the facilitators of progress and evolution in that we know, first, that the idea of progress is to move away from the very kind of world you are proposing, and, secondly, that a constant pissing contest with man and “nature” can only serve as an obstacle to the evolution and betterment of our species –that is in spite of the back stepping your engaged in here.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Tue 20 Dec 2011 - 20:59

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satyr wrote:
Your obsession with bullying is indicative of your type's association with the meek and the vulnerable.
You see yourself in the victim.
Perhaps. But it might also be recognition of how silly, unproductive, and, ultimately, superficial it is.
Wat you consider productive and what unproductive is based on your understanding and your motives.

Telling people what I really think has been very productive for me.
For one, it has kept the worse of the idiots as far away from me as possible.
Still it has not quite worked on you, has it boy?
I suspect there's an affinity you cannot admit...or wish to conceal.

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I would further argue that the obsession with the act of bullying is indicative of your type’s insecurity, lack of confidence in their assertions, and overinflated need for attention.
"Obsession" is what you call it having nothing to go on but my performance on your favorite barn.
Attention is what I get too much of....this is more of a desire to restrict attention.
If I wanted attention, you pathetic boy, then why would I make it so easy to be banned?

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You may see yourself as the predator. But this is only the product of fantasies of empowerment that all men tend to engage in.
I am no physical predator, boy, because that avenue is denied me.
But I am an intellectual predator. This you and your kind call "bullying".
I pounce on weakness, stupidity, and the inability to defend what is considered "self-evident".

In a world brimming with stupidity, and getting worse, trying to put a stop to some small part of it by rescuing the few from its grips seems like the least I can do...boy.
You defend the herd, superboy, I seek a more refined creature.

The "bully" here is you, and the system you serve, with its rules against certain thoughts and deeds, and its etiquette and its self-evident "deserving" and its sanctity of life.
Your defense of illness is your downfall, boy.

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Consequently, this raises the question of how adequate and prepared your type is for the very scenario based on social Darwinism that you are endorsing. I mean it’s one thing to sit behind your computers, tighten your fists, and talk tough. But how ready for it are you, really?
Listen boy, this is a typical reply. The answer will have to wait for a face-to-face...but until then, you little man, consider this possibility:
Why does defending a proposition have to be accompanied by a personal benefit?
This is where your stupidity shows itself, boy.
You assume, because this is true of your kind, that to believe something is true, or more true, must mean that the one doing so personally benefits from it.
See why you are a stupid boy?

Boy, I do not have to benefit from a rejection of God to reject the concept on purely objective arguments.
Boy, I do not have to be pretty to say that appearance matters.

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Yes, let’s talk about simplistic. For instance: this notion that any assertion that isn’t explicitly negative must be the product of dishonesty and uniformity –that is with no real explanation of how that is. I mean it is real easy to establish a criterion based on cynicism and negativity, then proceed to extract bleakest assessments you can find. In that sense, you’re like the cliché of the Goth existentialist. It’s something else to honestly confront the complexity of the world.
Poor old-boy...there is no "positive/negative" outside subjective interpretations.
What you consider "positive" is for me a ridiculous proposition based on nothing more than emotion and personal taste....taste which you lack, having been brought up in a culture of no culture.

The idea that "love will save the world" or that "all deserve respect" is your emotional hope, boy...it has nothing to do with objective thinking. It ensures that no matter how stupid you are you will be respected. It pushes natural selection back.
For you this is "positive" in the short-term, because you can only think about immediate gratification and personal welfare...but for me it spells out the coming doom.

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Furthermore, let’s talk about pretention: such as the use of the qualifier “existential” which seems a little redundant given that all reactions are existential, and can only be there to make the statement seem a little more intelligent than it actually is.
Pretension, boy, is when one pretends to be more or less than what one is. Now you show me how you are more and I less.
I might be able to pretend to be physically stronger than what I am, as you allude to, because this is the only area where you harbor a hope...but how does one pretend to be smarter than what he is?
Have you "put me in my place", intellectually?
No, you just prance and declare and then run for cover behind the walls of the barn you feel most at home in.

Boy, the only thing left to you is to imply that my physical power is not as formidable as my brain power.
This is how you console yourself, boy.

If you wait a few more years, it might become true...still you are a boy compared to me in the only area where it matters.

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Actually, I would argue that average pampered dolt is the one incapable of projecting themselves into the lamb because they’re the ones who, having fell into a position of power, automatically assume that their power was achieved in some kind of vacuum and is purely the product of will and not, say, genetics or social position. The folly of this, for instance, was quickly discovered by NAZI’s who, at the end of the war and at the discovery of their atrocities, found themselves standing on chairs with ropes around their necks, who found themselves in the position of the lamb.
Boy, who said anything about a "vacuum"? There are no absolutes, remember, boy?
What is pathetic is when a lamb begins thinking of itself as noteworthy and powerful because there's a fence and a dog protecting it from those that do not care about its declarations and what it thinks it deserves and what is right.
Go back to the barn, hound-dog.

How the Jew cheers what he cannot understand.
The Nazi failure, not that I am one, was due to many factors.

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So guys, it’s all good and well to sit behind your computers in heated homes with your belly full and feign the air of urban primates. But let’s be clear, while it may be natural for some beings to dominate others; it is equally natural for weaker members to pool their power to overthrow that of the dominant. It happens all the time in nature. In fact, everything taking its natural course, it seems a little silly to make any appeal to the authority of nature. Likely, any application of the word “natural” is little more than a simplistic attempt to give an assertion more certainty than it actually warrants.
Boy, we are entering an age where this is true for everyone.
The genes are substituted by another factor, pathetic dolt...memes.
I do not have to dominate you physically, even if I were permitted to try, but only mentally.
This medium does not prevent that...in fact it restricts the issue to one of purely intellectual matters.

This is not nature this is a human artifice...within which only memetics matter.
This is the new environment and I am adapting to it.

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But we all gotta find our flow. And if this is yours, knock yourself out. Given the extremity of it and the general moderate position of everyone else, it’s not likely to be of much consequence.
There you are, boy, thinking that I want to change things.
Boy, this is the environment...how it came about and how it is maintained is only relevant when one wishes to adapt to it and to survive within it.
There are no more lions and hyenas and wolves and cows and goats and sheep, but only the human equivalent.
You associate with the cows....I do not.
Your "love" and "respect" and "compassion" is universal, all-inclusive, non-discriminating, mine is openly not so.
You are a hypocrite...I am honest in the only place I can be.

Douche-bag, honestly exploring what being a cow means does not mean one is wishing to change the cow or is suffering from an inferiority complex in regards to cows and pigs and sheep...or is it that the "nice" is permitted to be spoken in your barn?

d63tark wrote:
However, should it find some validation through the social and political system, as it sometimes does, just remember, when the table turns yet again, as it often does in the face of injustice, to keep screaming heil hitler when you’re standing on a barrel with a noose around your neck.
Do you think of me as a Nazi, boy?
This is what makes you feeble and simple and stupid.
How can I be a Nazi, boy, when I am not Germanic?

d63tark wrote:
And by the way, these notions that guys like me are out to “weaken” society or circumvent evolution: utter nonsense. If anything, we are the facilitators of progress and evolution in that we know, first, that the idea of progress is to move away from the very kind of world you are proposing, and, secondly, that a constant pissing contest with man and “nature” can only serve as an obstacle to the evolution and betterment of our species –that is in spite of the back stepping your engaged in here.
Exactly, boy...you wish to "move away from nature"...you wish to offer an alternative, a better variant of it. You are offering social eugenics but crying against those that do so openly and directly, like the Nazis.

The leveling you call "progress" is nothing more than a conservation of the status quo, boy.
What are you conserving, boy?
Change?
But that happens with or without your support and your agreement, boy.

Is it the elimination of sexual roles or of racial categories?
But, boy, this is also occurring with and without your support and agreement.
Boy, entropy means the slow eradication of order.
Chaos is an increase in non-distinction.
You are a metaphysical conservative, boy, but a social liberal....because order only happens with human intervention.

What you call "betterment of our species" is what I oppose, for it is the diminishing of my species...the human one.
You, boy, can imagine a world with no wars, no sexes, no races, nothing other than love and utopian paradise all you want.
I live in reality.
Your secular Christianity sickens me, boy.
I don't need to replace you or stop you, boy....I only need to exploit you.
Your stupidity satisfies my needs, no less than a herd's behavior satisfies the hunger of a wolf.

I am no formidable foe nor am I anti-social...I am merely more refined...boy.
I am selective with my love. My love is not a whore's love.
I am more selective with my loyalty and my compassion and my care and my association.
My friendship and caring is more precise and more selective.

Your simplistic generalities of human/non-human only matter in a world with an external threat.
This is becoming less and less of the case...now the threat is more internal.
Now predator and prey does not refer to an alien species feeding and exploiting another species...it is more precise and discriminating with its categories.
Now man is both predator and prey.

Human is not someone born with a certain biology, for me.
I have a more complex definition of what "human" means.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Tue 20 Dec 2011 - 21:39

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The irony is that life could not exist without asymmetry. A perfectly symmetrical universe is a dead universe. Asymmetry must exist, as the possibility for change. It is the imperfections in the crystal, in the DNA, which give rise to new shapes, new morphologies.
As I've always said, life is a response to death, life as we know it could not exist without death. What is life but the preservation of it's own internal order? If one's order was never threatened, as if time were frozen, there would be no need to think, feel or act. Therefore, the spiritual impulse is a rejection of life, or at the very least, large portions of it.

An important word to remember when considering these issues is atrophy. When a muscle never has to move, is that good for the muscle? When a brain never has to calculate, is that good for the brain? No, it is unhealthy. Muscles were built to move, brains were made to think. When one can gorge on food and drug, is that healthy? Again, the answer is no. Thus, civilization, originally a means of preserving our species, becomes it's own worst enemy.

Another important word to remember is decadence. The Rome that fell to German barbarians and Huns was not the same Rome it was in the late republic and in the early empire. Something happened. The Romans became a fat, soft people, then it fell to peoples it never had trouble dealing with before. Christianity weakened it, no doubt, a memetic blow, but then there were other, genetic factors as well, which made Christianity more palatable.

You could the say our decline began in the 1960s. No doubt the western world will fall, like the Roman empire, to fitter, hungrier nations (China, India) and to pesky flees, flies, mosquitoes and vultures (Jews, Gypsies, Niggers) unless there's a genetic and memetic intervention, a genetic and memetic renaissance, so to speak.

As we speak, there is an intervention, but it is promoting sicknesses and calling it "socialism", "affirmative action" and "Christian Zionism", allowing animals who otherwise could not make it on their own, to be fed, clothed and housed. Unemployed niggers, retards and cripples can now pop out ten, twenty kids, overpowering white populations with their recessive genes. We have become our own worst enemy, the Chinese will have no trouble feeding on us in a century or two, or less. These are good times friends, enjoy them while you can, they will not last long, another half a century or so.. or move to the wilderness and start an oasis of humanity, preserving the best of civilization whilst discarding the worst.

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Perhaps what we find attractive in the perfectly symmetrical is death, an end to life and suffering. The imagined perfection, immutable and unchanging.
Well, we find the positives attractive, life, pleasure, love, joy, not the negatives. Could the positives exist without the negatives? Probably not.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Wed 21 Dec 2011 - 6:32

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I am no physical predator, boy, because that avenue is denied me.
But I am an intellectual predator. This you and your kind call "bullying".
I pounce on weakness, stupidity, and the inability to defend what is considered "self-evident".

If this is the case, then we’re on the same page, satire….

I’m sorry, I meant to say satyr.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Wed 21 Dec 2011 - 6:34

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