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PostSubject: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:58 pm

I recently downloaded the audio-book, The Digital Divide: writings for and against Facebook, You Tube, Texting, and the Age of Social Networking, edited by Mark Bauerline, and must say that from what I’ve heard so far, it is an interesting and useful collection of studies on the social, psychological, and philosophical impact of digital technology. I would highly recommend it, especially given what we are immersed in here.

That said, one of the main themes I gotten from it is what results from an interaction between brain plasticity (a generally accepted concept among cognitive scientists) and the dominance of computer and internet technology. The general consensus, from what I’ve gathered is that computer technology is changing us in very fundamental ways, from the very structures of our brains, to the way we think and gather and process information to way we interact with others. For instance, it has been noted several times by several different writers that we seem less inclined to the old school method of reading long compositions of text and more toward grabbing quick bites of information. This would seem to apply to the kind of drive-by style of philosophizing we do here and why, when we set out to do a longer more polished piece, we can generally assume that it won’t be read.

Furthermore, I would argue that the issue has some application to the issue raised by tentative (and quite impressively) in their string: A Possible Explanation of Extremism.

http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=177587

Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.

That said, the primary point here is to explore whether these effects are real and, if they are, how they are affecting us and what we do here and, finally, how it will affect philosophical, intellectual, and creative inquiry.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:08 pm

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I recently downloaded the audio-book, The Digital Divide: writings for and against Facebook, You Tube, Texting, and the Age of Social Networking, edited by Mark Bauerline, and must say that from what I’ve heard so far, it is an interesting and useful collection of studies on the social, psychological, and philosophical impact of digital technology. I would highly recommend it, especially given what we are immersed in here.

That said, one of the main themes I gotten from it is what results from an interaction between brain plasticity (a generally accepted concept among cognitive scientists) and the dominance of computer and internet technology. The general consensus, from what I’ve gathered is that computer technology is changing us in very fundamental ways, from the very structures of our brains, to the way we think and gather and process information to way we interact with others. For instance, it has been noted several times by several different writers that we seem less inclined to the old school method of reading long compositions of text and more toward grabbing quick bites of information. This would seem to apply to the kind of drive-by style of philosophizing we do here and why, when we set out to do a longer more polished piece, we can generally assume that it won’t be read.

Furthermore, I would argue that the issue has some application to the issue raised by tentative (and quite impressively) in their string: A Possible Explanation of Extremism.
This is also known as the MTV effect, the MTV generation.
Short attention spans nurtured by marketing ploys which play upon a natural tendency for consciousness to skirt from stimuli to stimuli.

The shallowness produced is advantageous for globalizing conditions.

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Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.
Your obsession with bullying is indicative of your type's association with the meek and the vulnerable.
You see yourself in the victim.

This is also the case when one witnesses wolves cornering a lamb on Nature Shows. The observer automatically associates with the victim, no matter how he claims to be secure and confident..giving new meaning to the metaphor of cynicism or to the tired example of "glass half empty"...usually used by simplistic thinkers to defend their absolute loyalty to uniformity.
It is an existential reaction to the indifference of nature.

Of course it is founded on similarity. The observer perceives in the lamb what is most like himself/herself and projects himself in its place, feeling its pain, imagining its stress, sharing in its fate.
Rarely does one relate to the joy of the kill the predator must be feeling, for the hunger, the depravity, is not something the average pampered, dolt, can relate to.

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That said, the primary point here is to explore whether these effects are real and, if they are, how they are affecting us and what we do here and, finally, how it will affect philosophical, intellectual, and creative inquiry.
There is also a recent obsession with schoolyard bullying.
It I an aspect of feminization.

In wanting to train the masculinity out of our children we reinforce the feminine demeanor making sure nothing of reality will ever touch them.
The weak and the children of the weak are kept in a cocooned condition where they need not ever deal with anything beyond a certain socially acceptable level.

The harshness of nature never touches them...and so they grow to be spoiled, naive, feeble minds who cannot stand the sight of death or cannot accept even the eating of meat.

Subsequently all are supposed to place themselves in a position of vulnerability, project themselves upon the victim , focus on the similarities rather than the differences between themselves and the other...and so minimize the sense of identity and reduce the discrimination of consciousness.

Of course to feel an other's pain and suffering is part of the human condition, as this is a product of lack...the flux sensed as continuous attrition. One feels feeble and vulnerable within the world, no matter what bravado he might display or what happiness and fulfillment he might indicate as being his state of mind.
But how much one feels this and what riggers this sensation of compassion and empathy is a result of one's self-awareness...his sense of self.

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The basic characteristic of a herd animal is that when it is placed outside the herd, alone, it is gripped with anxiety; distress increasing, as its desire to return to the herd become unbearable, making it jump over barbed-wire fences and run through fire or face-off against carnivores. The herd animal is unable to cope with solitude.
We can say that the degree to which an animal, can cope with solitude is inversely proportional to the size of the social group it is willing to belong to.
A creature with a more developed sense of self, a higher degree of self-consciousness, can only integrate itself in a social unity of small proportions and intimate relationships.
A creature with very little sense of self, a lower degree of self-consciousness, prefers the comfort of huge herds, within which it integrates easily and disappears, finding only pleasure in silly inconsequential displays of personality. - The Feminization of Mankind - Manifesto

Otto von Bismarck wrote:
I would have no friends without enemies

Perhaps what you should consider is that the term "humanity", this all inclusive club where one enters into just by being born, is the most absurd generalization perpetuated by those who reject all "generalizations" which splinter it or that contradict its validity.
Natural selection has given way to social selection and genes are but foundations upon which memes are built, achieving the same separation of types.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:41 pm

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Their point is well taken as I have been highly curious about the frequency of trolling and general bullying as concerns the more intellectually orientated boards like this. Most of what you read about is the general run-of-the-mill cyber-bullying and it would be interesting to see a study on the social and psychological forces at work in the more ideological forms of it. Hopefully, this will be complimentary to the issues and points made there.
I have no problem with cyber bullying so long as it's intelligent, pertinent cyber bullying.

I just care about reason, I don't care about people's feelings.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:43 pm

Of course the internet increases instances of verbal bullying, but in turn it decreases instances of physical bullying.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:48 pm

I think the internet has made us a smarter, more knowledgeable people. On second thought, I think we've sacrificed depth/quality of information and understanding for breadth/quantity of information and understanding. Overall, people will be smarter, more knowledgeable today than they were yesterday. The working man doesn't have time to read a book, but he has time to do a Google/Wikipedia search.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:55 pm

The bit about cyber bullying was a bit disingenuous.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:57 pm

The internet has democratized information, it has made the plebs more knowledgeable and the patricians more ignorant.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:01 pm

Will this lead to a revolution.. maybe, once the masses realize just how badly they're being fucked. According to Alex Jones, Zbigniew Brzezinski said- "for the first time in history, the people are politically aware".
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:04 pm

Here's something to consider:

There is no violence more vile than the one pretending to be benevolent and kind.

The christian church, for example, comes bearing "good tidings", offering words of comfort and hope, yet it does the greatest violence to the human mind, teaching it, from an early age, to despise itself, to hate the world, to consider anything contrary to its subjective desire a thing of evil.
This closing of the mind leads to a fanaticism, often masking as "open minded" concern.

The road to hell it is said, is paved with good intentions.
There are two kinds of "violence", or aggression: the overt, direct kind, which I call masculine...and the indirect, covert kind, which I call feminine.
We can consider Hitler's style an example of the former and the Christian style as an example the latter.

The first uses force; the second seduction.
One has hate as its central motivator; the other love.

By far the most successful is the second, as it makes the one being dominated feel as if it is of his own volition; it plays upon his vanities and his fears; it convinces him that to be a slave is the best option, making his the perfect prisoner, because he is his own jailor and he requires no fences, for they are now mental.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:10 pm

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Will this lead to a revolution.. maybe, once the masses realize just how badly they're being fucked. According to Alex Jones, Zbigniew Brzezinski said- "for the first time in history, the people are politically aware".
There is no chance of that.
In fact the amount of information decreases the chance of rebellion.

The minds are drowned in data...but not given the methods of discerning which are valid or more pertinent and which are garbage. They are given knowledge, information; they are told what to think but not taught how to think.
We live in a time where regurgitating knowledge stands for intelligence.

See in the forum this manimal comes from how the dissemination of information dominates, whereas nothing is said about what it means or how it is useful.
People throw around terms like "immanent" or "nature" or "self" or "love" without ever daring to analyze what these words mean.
Sauwelios just decided that Nietzsche was some kind of God, and that he would be his disciple.

These days he's making him sound like Spinoza. He states "God is dead" when all along he's promoting the "primordial one".

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:11 pm

I agree, if I have cancer, I want people to say- hey asshole, you're obese, you smoke like a chimney, that lump on your head is probably a tumor, you should get that thing checked out dumb ass, I don't want people to say- oh it's probably nothing, everything will be just fine, Jesus will take care of it. The point is, in the long run, the lie is usually more destructive than the truth, no matter how pleasant and soothing that lie may be, and there are those who try to heal and harm with lies (Jews), and there are those who try to heal with truth (Greeks). If the Greeks want to harm you, they'll opt for the more direct method.

In short, fuck the Jews.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:29 pm

The distinction goes beyond nationalities.
It has to do with a way of looking at the world.
That it was via the Jews that Rome became infected with a virus which flourished, first amongst the rabble and then because the world environment was becoming congested with people is a matter of historical chance.

It is true that the Jews were the perfect contaminator. They were spread amongst the Europeans with no land of their own; they had a history and a spirituality based no this history which was slavish and pretentiously humble; they developed the survival mechanisms to survive within mostly threatening peoples, finding niches to exploit and cultivating the insights of an outsider.
That this mindset coupled with segments of Hellenic thought to produce the suepr-virus we know as Christianity is again a matter of historical interest. With this adaptation this mindset overcame its limitations and it spread like wildfire...it turned from the "philosophy of the chosen" to a "universal philosophy".

It's effects can be seen in the minds it infects.
They cannot even think outside of the presuppositions they are infected with, considering them beyond reproach and "logical".

The seductive power is evident, as it proposes a "solution" to an existential ailment, when the idea that life is a disease has already been established.
It tells those who have been "wronged" by natural selection that they to can be just like those they admire...that their condition is correctable.
This idea alone is too alluring to be denied by the masses.
Where in nature these masses would be greatly diminished in this world they are allowed to flourish; aided and supported for reasons which I will not go into now.

Can you imagine, just as an example, how powerful a message can be when it tells the ugly that beauty is "skin deep" and that there is a more profound "inner beauty" and that appearances do not matter?
The very idea on its own is seductive.
It offers the only remedy to fear known to a conscious and self-conscious creature: hope.

None will doubt it; not even the beautiful, for it will turn the crowds against them.

The goal here is total inclusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:40 pm

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There is no chance of that.
In fact the amount of information decreases the chance of rebellion.

The minds are drowned in data...but not given the methods of discerning which are valid or more pertinent and which are garbage. They are given knowledge, information; they are told what to think but not taught how to think.
We live in a time where regurgitating knowledge stands for intelligence.
This may or may not be true, philosophy forums are teaching some people how to think, and not just bombarding the mind with information. Giving them the tools to comprehend and organize that information, and to discern fact from fiction, truth from lies. Now those who are able to think for themselves have the opportunity, through the internet, to impart their methods and techniques to others.

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See in the forum this manimal comes from how the dissemination of information dominates, whereas nothing is said about what it means or how it is useful.
People throw around terms like "immanent" or "nature" or "self" or "love" without ever daring to analyze what these words mean.
Sauwelios just decided that Nietzsche was some kind of God, and that he would be his disciple.

These days he's making him sound like Spinoza. He states "God is dead" when all along he's promoting the "primordial one".
Right, I guess that's just the sort of animals they are, I've always focused more on the facts and arguments rather than how they're presented. Those who are more able to do this will probably have a better chance of surviving in the long run. Knowledge is power, ignorance and delusion are weaknesses. Imagine a creature who always places what makes him or her feel good in the short term over what's actually good for them. Such a creature is either mentally retarded, emotionally hypersensitive, or has forsaken their reason for some.. "reason". Maybe they think the long term/utility isn't worth considering, for it's too uncertain, so they opt for the lie instead, the quick fix, oh, just pop that pill and everything will be fine, treat the symptoms and not the disease, just pray to Buddha or Krishna and everything will be OK, you can keep eating, drinking and smoking your poison, we're all going to die anyway so who cares. You see, in some cases, it's not just that they're dumb, or emotionally hypersensitive, sometimes they actually have "reasons" for why they shouldn't pay heed to the truth/future consequences and live in a fairytale world of lies, drugs, junk food and secular mythologies. I think it's important to explore they're love of lies, what makes these people tick.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:58 pm

There is no "hypersensitivity" here. These are thick-skinned cattle.
They require a hammer blow to feel anything.
This is why they can commune so easily in vulgar situations, and see nothing wrong in it.

Everything must be shouted; repeated.
No subtlety will suffice for these myriads of chattel. They need a tazer-shock to get a sensation. this is why in this culture all is exaggerated, hyper-inflated, hammered in with constant repetition by those with the means and the access.

Look at modern-day politics in the U.S.
Constant repetition...with no real substance. Just emotional manipulation, void of all reasoning.

But we see it in art...the loud the vulgar the simple...the forever sampled and re-sampled.
Look at sex...the exaggerated, the ideal...everything is larger....sex has to be a circus act or it will not do.
Look at love...love has to be universal... all must deserve it....all must have it...nothing less will do. It must be made "profound" in its simplicity and deep in its shallowness.

Look at consciousness...it must be godly.....mystical...connecting us to the universal...the eternal. It must be made holy by diminishing it; it must be "expanded" by containing it.

Thee is no hypersensitivity...there is only thickness.
The subtle is gone.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:44 pm

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There is no "hypersensitivity" here. These are thick-skinned cattle.
They require a hammer blow to feel anything.
This is why they can commune so easily in vulgar situations, and see nothing wrong in it.

Everything must be shouted; repeated.
No subtlety will suffice for these myriads of chattel. They need a tazer-shock to get a sensation. this is why in this culture all is exaggerated, hyper-inflated, hammered in with constant repetition by those with the means and the access.

Look at modern-day politics in the U.S.
Constant repetition...with no real substance. Just emotional manipulation, void of all reasoning.

But we see it in art...the loud the vulgar the simple...the forever sampled and re-sampled.
Look at sex...the exaggerated, the ideal...everything is larger....sex has to be a circus act or it will not do.
Look at love...love has to be universal... all must deserve it....all must have it...nothing less will do. It must be made "profound" in its simplicity and deep in its shallowness.

Look at consciousness...it must be godly.....mystical...connecting us to the universal...the eternal. It must be made holy by diminishing it; it must be "expanded" by containing it.

Thee is no hypersensitivity...there is only thickness.
The subtle is gone.
Hmmm, I disagree. I think delusion, which is what we're talking about here, mythologies like absolute and universal social and biological equality, God, the afterlife, etc, would be more popular amongst the emotionally sensitive, and the rationally insensitive, in addition to the weak, and downtrodden.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:51 pm

However, even the strong can be made to feel this way, as we can all be humbled by life, thus the poison can seep into every race, intellect and culture, high and low, but particularly low, which is where much of it began, in Israel.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:13 pm

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Can you imagine, just as an example, how powerful a message can be when it tells the ugly that beauty is "skin deep" and that there is a more profound "inner beauty" and that appearances do not matter?
The very idea on its own is seductive.
It offers the only remedy to fear known to a conscious and self-conscious creature: hope.

None will doubt it; not even the beautiful, for it will turn the crowds against them.
Yes I've never been seduced by lies like this. I don't think anyone but the severely mentally disabled (below 90 IQ) or the young would believe in such nonsense.. then again, Muslims believe that when they martyr themselves, Allah will award them with 70 virgins, so..

I suppose delusion is a necessary coping mechanism for some, those who've been sheltered, or those who are emotionally sensitive, weak. Perhaps some humans evolved a self hypnosis gene, if there is a particular gene, to cope with life's many hardships. On the other hand, some increased they're intellect and reduced they're emotional sensitivity.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:17 pm

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The distinction goes beyond nationalities.
It has to do with a way of looking at the world.
That it was via the Jews that Rome became infected with a virus which flourished, first amongst the rabble and then because the world environment was becoming congested with people is a matter of historical chance.
I agree. We can see some of it in Pythagoras and Plato, especially in the Eleatics and the Megarians, in the Hindus, Ajivikas, Buddhists and Jains, it is most dominant amongst the Jews, however. 1st the Jew tries to spread it to us, as part of his cultural critique, he tries to get us to adopt this sweet, sweet poison, this effeminate, servile, anti-life attitude, if that fails, he tries to lower us to the level of dogs, he sends in the drug fiends, the clowns, the porno kings and the nihilists, to subvert our culture with his degenerate, fucked up ways, for dogs our easier to control and to manipulate. However, they keep their culture and bloodline as pure as they possibly can in Palestine, while they muddy ours with nigger semen. They want us to feel guilty for standing out, for being superior, they deny our achievements and accomplishments even as they covet them.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:39 am

Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise? This notion to transcend the material and the physical, to enter this blissful, docile, trance like tranquility? Satyr thinks it stems from numbness, a numbness induced by sheltering, or genes, poor, dumb, dull, emotionally and rationally insensitive genes, where as I think the religious impulse tends to come from too much negativity, not necessarily too soon. The mind is overburdened and overwhelmed with stimuli to horrible to process, so it schizophrenically splits, detaches from the world. Here, within the womb like confines of the mind, or the more advanced schizophrenia of another mind, it is free to reshape the world in it's own image, generating fantastic visions of Gods, angels, ghosts and immortality, or a physical paradise containing a limitless bounty of delicious fruits and sparkling water, cities covered in gold and silver. Anything that attempts to burst this bubble of absolute, universal peace, love and equality is now called the devil, evil, monstrous and wicked, things that should be put to death.

The religious mind is a traumatized one, a mind that has felt too much, not necessarily too soon, it retreats from the horrible, hostile world. If I'm wrong, we'd expect to find an abundance of spiritualism in Greece and Rome, not in Israel. Some of these fools believe paradise can be established here, now, or soon, with the help of divine intervention and "good thoughts, words and deeds", in other words, thoughts, words and deeds that perpetuate the lie and conceal the truth, and then there are those, like the Christians and the Buddhists, who believe paradise can only be established in an afterworld, either in a physical world to come, or in "the spirit". Muslims are somewhere in between.

The Greco-Roman attitude, the one that realistically tries to improve the world, and preserve previous improvements, primarily for one's self, family, friends and race, is gone, replaced by the fanatically fantastic and the imaginary. The delusion has been perpetuated and secularized by men like Karl Mark, Jacques Fresco and many others. Before we were told we are all one and perfect in the spirit, now we are told we are all one and perfect in the flesh, or we will be remade to be. This is the lie, therefore Lucifer, symbolically speaking, is the truth, the Garden of Eden represents the state of a madman, a lunatic retard, Lucifer is Morpheus, the one who comes to wake one up from one's catatonic slumber, from Peter Pan's never never land, who is called a liar and a demon by those desperately clinging to their delusion, or those pulling the strings/holding the keys.. the gatekeepers of wonderland.

The Jews are all too familiar with this state of mind, in fact it was one of their few strengths, this lie that God is somehow on their side, despite all evidence to the contrary, is what sustained them as a people even after all these years, and all that bloodletting, raping and ravaging of their people. Then the virus spread to us somehow, perhaps it was a Jewish plot, a conspiracy, I am uncertain.

The only way he can beat us is to bring us down to his level or lower. Everything in Jewish culture is negative. Critique, critique, critique, they are incapable of constructing/preserving anything of value on their own. You see people who are in this zombie like state of absolute bliss and oneness can easily be manipulated. Don't worry they tell us, nothing matters, turn the other cheek, he who is a poor, bitch slave here, shall inherit the kingdom. We are all children of the same father. The doctrine is particularly alluring to the weak, the cowardly, the feeble minded, for they have little or no hope in this world, but it can work on almost anyone, it can be very seductive, to believe that you are immortal, perfect, and at one with everything and everyone in the universe, but I have too much pride, dignity and self respect, too much love for truth to buy such despicable lies, no matter how horrible the truth may be.

The Jews now use this state of mind as a weapon against us. No doubt many of their own people believe it, however, something very contrary is being practiced in Israel, an Israel funded and protected by the United States. the Jews have become everything they supposedly despise, and have supposedly fought against. What hypocrites, cowards and punks they are. To Israel with them, let them all go there. The US, Canada and Europe should not lift a finger for them.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:11 am

Observe people with diss-associative identity disorder (aka multiple personality disorder). Often the deluded have been severely traumatized, not necessarily just by a harsh environment, but upon realizing how weak and pathetic they really are, in relation to that environment, and the co-inhabitants of it. Sometimes sheltering individuals from the horrors of the world and from themselves, can have a disastrous effect when the individual suddenly realizes the world is not a pleasant place, or they are not as special and deserving as they thought they were, so they retreat into artificial constructs of their own creation, or to Marxism, Scientology, etc. Sometimes no sheltering is required, as life, when sufficiently horrific, can potentially force us all, even the most strong minded and willed among us, into deluding ourselves, as a coping, survival mechanism.

Your argument that the less emotionally sensitive would be more inclined to delusion and exaggeration is one I have not heard before, thus I have yet to consider it, so I'll have to ponder it further. I suppose it could work either way, being hypersensitive, due to sheltering (being told the world is sugar, spice and everything nice), genes, or being faced with extraordinarily horrific circumstances (rape, torture, losing a loved one, contracting a major illness, etc) could bring about Schizophrenia, or cause someone to convert to Christianity, since they have no hope in reality, after all, do people not suddenly convert to Christianity upon being confronted by death, or pray to the Gods when facing a tremendous ordeal? On the other hand I suppose, being extremely emotionally dull, in addition to being mentally dull, could attract one to the fantastic, for only the fantastic could make them feel, something.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:49 am

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Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise?
Your analysis is too personal.

Primarily it arises as a form of social control, as the Romans realized how useful Christianity would be in controlling and manipulating the minds and bodies of the masses. Religion is projected from the top down - it is imposed.



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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:08 am

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This is also known as the MTV effect, the MTV generation.
Short attention spans nurtured by marketing ploys which play upon a natural tendency for consciousness to skirt from stimuli to stimuli.

The shallowness produced is advantageous for globalizing conditions.
It also conveniently hides the intellectual inadequacies of blacks and other hominid groups of low intelligence.

It becomes almost impossible to say something with any depth, as one is immediately attacked as elitist and racist.

It's got to the point now where attending intellectual events with blacks present severely curtails what one is able to say. It's like they're drones of Big Brother, put there to dumb things down and prevent the discussion going anywhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:53 am

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Hmmm, from where dost this religious impulse, this desire to level all distinctions. class, race, sex, arise?
From the desire to disappear back into the "nothingness" of non-existence. The latter being a definition of the state prior to birth.
It is a rejection of existence and the sensation of it, as need/suffering.

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This notion to transcend the material and the physical, to enter this blissful, docile, trance like tranquility?
There is a love/hate duality here. the mind of the nihilist rejects existence but cannot reject the sensation of it. He wishes to die while living...it is the zombie metaphor best exemplified by the christian conception of the "afterlife".

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Satyr thinks it stems from numbness, a numbness induced by sheltering, or genes, poor, dumb, dull, emotionally and rationally insensitive genes, where as I think the religious impulse tends to come from too much negativity, not necessarily too soon. The mind is overburdened and overwhelmed with stimuli to horrible to process, so it schizophrenically splits, detaches from the world.
Satyr thinks that most living in today's world are incapable of coping with existence outside the sheltering effects of modernity, which proposes an artificial wall between man and nature.
Most owing their life to this sheltering wall are totally enamored and dedicated in persevering it. Once they accomplish this they are free to build their delusions within it because nothing outside the contexts they've surrendered to will ever disturb their imagination/fantasy.

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Your argument that the less emotionally sensitive would be more inclined to delusion and exaggeration is one I have not heard before, thus I have yet to consider it, so I'll have to ponder it further. I suppose it could work either way, being hypersensitive, due to sheltering (being told the world is sugar, spice and everything nice), genes, or being faced with extraordinarily horrific circumstances (rape, torture, losing a loved one, contracting a major illness, etc) could bring about Schizophrenia, or cause someone to convert to Christianity, since they have no hope in reality, after all, do people not suddenly convert to Christianity upon being confronted by death, or pray to the Gods when facing a tremendous ordeal? On the other hand I suppose, being extremely emotionally dull, in addition to being mentally dull, could attract one to the fantastic, for only the fantastic could make them feel, something.
Correction: Hypersensitivity refers to the senses.
The word itself indicates it.
It does not refer to the emotions which are (re)actions to this sensual input.

Emotions are reprogrammed (re)actions to particular stimulation. They are ingrained and automatic and so they lack reason and they most often usurp reason.
You are confusing the two.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:13 am

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From the desire to disappear back into the "nothingness" of non-existence. The latter being a definition of the state prior to birth.
It is a rejection of existence and the sensation of it, as need/suffering.
Orrr.. could it be a desire to enter a more perfect existence? An existence where physical, emotional and mental need still exists and is still experienced, but where it can easily and readily be satisfied by God, and the paradise he has erected. You see, it is the horror of death, the finality of our existence that causes some of us to search for panaceas, elixirs and fountains of youth, that causes some of us to deny this existence and affirm an imaginary one of our own creation, where want and need are perpetually satisfied, unlike this world, where our desires are often frustrated. Death is not pleasurable to most religious minds.. it is a thought to horrible to bare. They want to keep their individuation, not dissolve into the flux. There is a paradox here. Life is the struggle to survive, the will to live, if the goal could be forever attained, if a man could be perfectly completed and, whole, could he be said to be alive? A difficult question, if everyone of my needs was satisfied, would I be conscious? One way of resolving this paradox is, the soul still longs, but this longing can be readily and eternally satiated, requiring little effort.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:21 am

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There is a love/hate duality here. the mind of the nihilist rejects existence but cannot reject the sensation of it. He wishes to die while living...it is the zombie metaphor best exemplified by the christian conception of the "afterlife".
Is the Parmenidean somethingist and the Gorgian nothingist really the same? Many enter Christianity because they are frightened by the prospect of their own demise. If a man was immortal, would he completely shut down, turn off? Difficult to say.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:22 am

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Satyr thinks that most living in today's world are incapable of coping with existence outside the sheltering effects of modernity, which proposes an artificial wall between man and nature. Most owing their life to this sheltering wall are totally enamored and dedicated in persevering it. Once they accomplish this they are free to build their delusions within it because nothing outside the contexts they've surrendered to will ever disturb their imagination/fantasy.
People imagined all sorts of frightful and fanciful things in the dark ages.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:29 am

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Correction: Hypersensitivity refers to the senses.
The word itself indicates it.
It does not refer to the emotions which are (re)actions to this sensual input.

Emotions are reprogrammed (re)actions to particular stimulation. They are ingrained and automatic and so they lack reason and they most often usurp reason.
You are confusing the two.
We could consciously, manually place ourselves in situations where we're more liable to feel something, something grand.

If death is what these minds truly desired, then they ought to be happy, what need would they have of miracles, heaven, Gods and faith? I'd say they want a more fantastic, wonderful life. To be a child again, not knowing death. Most of them do not want their distinctiveness to cease, they want to preserve it in the form of a ghost, a resurrection or a reincarnation. Spirituality is a form of self love, and a love for other "souls".
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:28 pm

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Orrr.. could it be a desire to enter a more perfect existence?
If this "perfection" is in complete antithesis to the existent then it represents a total rejection of it.

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An existence where physical, emotional and mental need still exists and is still experienced, but where it can easily and readily be satisfied by God, and the paradise he has erected.
Right here is where your total rejection of the world shines through.

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You see, it is the horror of death, the finality of our existence that causes some of us to search for panaceas, elixirs and fountains of youth, that causes some of us to deny this existence and affirm an imaginary one of our own creation, where want and need are perpetually satisfied, unlike this world, where our desires are often frustrated.
And searching for panaceas in the non-existent is the very definition of nihilism.
If your conception of God is perfect, omnipotent, immortal, omniscient, then you are contradicting the real. You are projecting your own need as a presumed solution, as if existence requires such a solution and as if this solution does not represent the very annihilation of all the circumstances that made you possible. .

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Death is not pleasurable to most religious minds.. it is a thought to horrible to bare. They want to keep their individuation, not dissolve into the flux. There is a paradox here.
The "paradox" is in the mind which suffers from "wordspeak" or "compartmentalization...or that has been confused by language in thinking that the noumenon IS the phenomenon rather than a representation of it.

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Life is the struggle to survive, the will to live, if the goal could be forever attained, if a man could be perfectly completed and, whole, could he be said to be alive?
It depends on how you define "alive" or existing.
If you define it as a Being then man is not that; if you define it as Becoming then man is definitely alive and kicking.
Being would be the end of existing.

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A difficult question, if everyone of my needs was satisfied, would I be conscious?
There would be no need for it because there would be no need to make it (re)act.

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One way of resolving this paradox is, the soul still longs, but this longing can be readily and eternally satiated, requiring little effort.
The paradox is in taking language literally.
If the "soul" whatever the hell that means, "longs" then this longing is a need which contradicts its perfection...the "little effort" comes from a mind used to the modern western lifestyle.
Nature is frugal.
Why do you "long" for fats and sugars to the point where you might even kill yourself when placed in an artificially maintained environment of abundance?
Because in nature these life-maintaining elements are rare.

Why do you long for beauty and the symmetry, order, it implies?
Because in nature it is absent and entropy is the experienced.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:56 pm

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Right here is where your total rejection of the world shines through.
I don't hate the world.

There are parts of me that like it and there are parts of me that dislike it.

If I hated the world, I wouldn't be sitting here typing to you, I'd be swinging from the ceiling.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what spirituality is and where it comes from.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:33 pm

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The paradox is in taking language literally.
If the "soul" whatever the hell that means, "longs" then this longing is a need which contradicts its perfection...the "little effort" comes from a mind used to the modern western lifestyle.
Nature is frugal.
We can find these visions, a life of ease and comfort, in genesis, in the garden of Eden and in revelations.

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Why do you "long" for fats and sugars to the point where you might even kill yourself when placed in an artificially maintained environment of abundance?
Because in nature these life-maintaining elements are rare.
Yes, and this is why in the 20th and 21st centuries, man has become his own worst enemy. Where as before, nature was his number one enemy, and the barbarians who inhabited it, now we've become our worst enemy, our insatiable appetites, which is why we must cultivate ourselves, be disciplined, vigilant. Too much leisure and especially luxury has spoiled us. I think we should try to find a balance between nature and civilization.

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Why do you long for beauty and the symmetry, order, it implies?
Because in nature it is absent and entropy is the experienced.
This is only partially true, there is beauty in nature also, harmony and symmetry, from the moon, the stars and sun, to the flora and fauna. There is also the ugliness of death and the chaos of the terrain, and it is this ugliness man has tried to escape from. I think we should try to preserve some of it, weeds and all.
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