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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:40 pm

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Come on d63. You've got your archnemesis and 3 salivating members of the audience waiting on you. Don't get cold feet.

As soon as you arrive i'll make sure everyone shuts up except for the contestants. You won't be outnumbered. I promise.

Why, eyes, would I be afraid of Satyr's disciples if I'm not afraid of Satyr?

Perhaps you want only one cock in that tight anus?

Come to the chatbox. I, Satyr, Purple Dragon and, yes.... eyesinthedark are waiting for you.

Now see? I keep getting accused of being gay....


But it sounds like you want to fuck me, eyes.

What is up with you queers?

My daddy raped me.

Sad

Come help me expunge my self hatred on a willing victim. It'll fit the narrative.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:41 pm

Coward!
Go back to your kind, woman.

Tell them a story...tell them you won...that you embarrassed the Satyr.
You're like most women...once you fuck them they become a bore.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:49 pm

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Is not big government a form of dominating nature, and tampering with food and water, and morality, and cell phones and microwaves?

Really? You think it’s government that is the main power we should worry about rather the their corporate puppet masters? You really think reducing government is the solution to the emerging oligarchy/aristocracy we face?

And who told you that you should worry about it? Fox News? And is it Fox News that also told you that you are an independent thinker?

Does being allied with Satyr make you think you’re an independent thinker somehow distinguished from the rest of the crowd? I’m actually glad you joined the party, Eyes. They won’t let me sufficiently beat down the tea-baggers on ILP –and, as far I’m concerned, for good reason. So bring it on bitch of my bitch.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:51 pm

Run back to your herd, woman.

I think we're done with you.

You won...tell them so.
Fuck off, stupid coward.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:06 pm

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Coward!
Go back to your kind, woman.

Tell them a story...tell them you won...that you embarrassed the Satyr.
You're like most women...once you fuck them they become a bore.

Actually, Satyr, you're becoming a bore because you're more caught up in beating me down than you are making the kind of points I know you are perfectly capable of.

Where this should be a discourse from which I think we both can benefit from, it's turned into to slam-down similar to what was described in the movie "8 Mile".

And it's all very fun. But I truly hope we do get the chance to engage in a discourse in which we're just trying to get a little understanding together.

I know this will sound like a joke to you: but I believe that our main problem lies in our agendas. I think you desparately want to own the truth while I want understanding and to strut onto the stage and make it seem like the truth. You want to be a guru; I still want to be a rock star. You want to be right; I just want to be beautiful. You want to die and have people say "yeah, he was right!"; I want to die have people say "wow!".

Now I'm ready to go on forever with this if you want. I stand nothing to lose and everything to gain since you are a stone against which I can sharpen my knife.

But let's be very clear on this: while winning this debate with was never a goal (that is since I cannot see it being acheived): I never thought I had to win in order to win.

That said, I never read where you first published that essay and I'm sure the answer is buried in the thread.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:08 pm

Woman...what you have a "problem" with is my mind.....my intellectual penis.
It lowers you and makes you feel like the woman you claim to not have a problem with being, but that you are ashamed of being.

Am I a "homophobe" woman, or are you?

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:09 pm

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Run back to your herd, woman.

I think we're done with you.

You won...tell them so.
Fuck off, stupid coward.

Oh, but I am so not done with you, Satyr!


In fact, you and me are going to the prom together,


and we are going to dance.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:13 pm

I think you already won...no?

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:14 pm

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Woman...what you have a "problem" with is my mind.....my intellectual penis.
It lowers you and makes you feel like the woman you claim to not have a problem with being, but that you are ashamed of being.

Am I a "homophobe" woman, or are you?

For Christ's sake! Satyr. If you had an ounce of intellectual integrity, you would look at this and cringe.

And if you couldn't, what would be the point?


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:17 pm

I would...if it were not so damn funny.

I want you to think of me in that American way of yours.


Why do I think in this way...whatever this way is (because you have no clue)?
Well, because I am afraid?

Why do you disagree, without knowing what or why?
Because you are one of the many, the majority...the brave the courageous.

You win, girl...nothing else needs to be said.

Ta, Ta,

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:22 pm

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I would...if it were not so damn funny.

I want you to think of me in that American way of yours.


Why do I think in this way...whatever this way is (because you have no clue)?
Well, because I am afraid?

Why do you disagree, without knowing what or why?
Because you are one of the many, the majority...the brave the courageous.

You win, girl...nothing else needs to be said.

Ta, Ta,

You alright, man?

Don't take it personal. We were just a couple of kids sparring. A language game.... nothing more.

It has nothing to do with our value as people


(we only act like it does because it makes the game a little funner.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:23 pm

But....but....it hurt me...so much.....

Is that you mommy?

Fuck, woman...this is fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:31 pm

To D63, I have always went against the crowd by maintaining that there is indeed a coarse line between human artifices and nature. I have had this debate many times before, with statiktech and with others, i can't remember who. are you going to tell me that a spiderweb is no different than a table, a glass or a rocket?
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:34 pm

There you are!


Thought you left me.


I guess my worries were "unfounded".

Guess I should have known better.

Anyway, bitch, you're right:

it has been fun.

Hopefully, the next time, there will be a little more substance to both our punches. I think this is something we had to go through before we perfect our game -if you know what I mean.


That said, despite the fact that it would be no truer coming out my mouth than it would yours:


Will kick your ass next time, bitch!

At the end of the match, we shake and part with a glare.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:37 pm

Socialism and fascism both mettle in human affairs and human nature from the outside. They are both artificial systems. This isn't to say capitalism isn't artificial, just less so. Now, you can meddle in human affairs to get them to stop tampering with nature, like the greens try to do, or you could theoretically have government intervene to destroy and change nature, anti green political group, or something. I'm not a capitalist, btw, I'm not sure what I am, I'm more an explorer of ideologies than a particular this or that. For the moment, I'm much more fond of fascism and capitalism than I am with socialism, but this could change, as these are complex issues, difficult to process.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:38 pm

are you talking to me? eyes?
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:39 pm

because if you are, i am right here, please don't go, let's finish it, or at least exchange a few more blows.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:39 pm

You win!!!

Congratulation.
Good fight...you made some brilliant well-founded, indisputable, arguments.
You defeated me with your superior reasoning.


Bravo, my whore.
Regroup...get your panties in order and come back with a whip.
Until then, enjoy your victory...tell your friends.

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:40 pm

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To D63, I have always went against the crowd by maintaining that there is indeed a coarse line between human artifices and nature. I have had this debate many times before, with statiktech and with others, i can't remember who. are you going to tell me that a spiderweb is no different than a table, a glass or a rocket?

A spider created the web.

The tablemaker made a table.


both, from the perspective of the perceiving thing making them, had a kind of utility.


Once again, where in the spectrum between the 2 do you make the distinction between natural and un-natural?

Sorry to have troubled you like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:44 pm

one was made with intellect, the other was not, one has a biological history, took millions of years to evolve, one came about comparatively overnight, and therefore, was unprecedented in it's environment.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:44 pm

Anyway....

Satyr


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Love ya man!

gotta go.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:48 pm

As for liberal socialism, it advocates the protection of retards, and allows them to procreate, by giving defectives, people with emotive and mental, and physical impairments, who contribute nothing to society, food, clothing, and shelter, and allows them to reproduce, if they are able, lowering the genetic quality of our race.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:55 pm

Oh little girl...no trouble at all.

I've posted this about a million times...but a little princess, like you, must have been busy with her hair and nails to bother reading.

I relate this back to Baudrillard and his Simulacrum of a Simulation.

Turd, the notion of artificial from natural is a human conception meant to differentiate reality so as to make it more comprehensible. Like when a stupid whore, like you, uses the term cat or dog...both are meant to distinguish a part of reality from another, so as to make both comprehensible. But, of course, a whore like you, has trouble doing so when it comes to human types, such as Negro or female because these differentiations are prohibited and so you settle for remaining blind or pretending you are blind to them.

But I digress, my whore.
In this case, bitch, the term artificial is meant to differentiate between phenomena which affect the observer which are of the observer's own doing as opposed to phenomena that affect the observer which are independent from the observer's activities.
In other words, you stupid bitch, it is meant to differentiate between phenomena which are willful as opposed to those which are not.

Thusly, my biatch, the point at which an organism's activities begin to affect it (a looping affect), by producing environmental conditions, more than the environmental conditions that preceded its emergence or its activities, is the point where it might be said that it is entering into artificial reality.

Like you, whore, living in a social structure which excludes culling and most diseases, are living in an environment which is affecting your future more than the processes which preceded your, or your kind's, interventions.
This might sound like a positive, to a coward and weakling, like you, but it has collateral effects, as in pollution.

The world you live in today, you modern fag, is a world man created with his interventions.
With every gain there is a loss, and with every loss a gain.
But turds, like you, prefer focusing or the positives; the self-flattering and self-interested, while ignoring or dismissing the negative, or what they wish to ignore.
Giving an individual suffering from down syndrome is for you a 'positive" because your perceptions are limited to the immediate, even if this "right" produces the propagation of the very genes that bring this syndrome about and which force the future generations to deal with it.
In other words, you stupid whore, you intervene and with this intervention you ensure that intervention must increase exponentially, until it can no longer deal with the repercussions of human intervention. The entire structure implodes...in time.
You save the weak from the inevitable but in the process you condemn all of mankind to weakness and mediocrity.

You save the lame lamb form the wolves but in the process you condemn future generations and the entire herd to lameness.
Why?
In the hope that one of these lame ones will come up with a solution.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:24 am


Satyr found d63's weak spot.


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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:07 pm

Can't believe I'm stuck with such a group of intellectual goons till the 5th.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:18 pm

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In this case, bitch, the term artificial is meant to differentiate between phenomena which affect the observer which are of the observer's own doing as opposed to phenomena that affect the observer which are independent from the observer's activities.
In other words, you stupid bitch, it is meant to differentiate between phenomena which are willful as opposed to those which are not.

Which pretty much makes anything you or anybody else is doing here “artificial”.

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Thusly, my biatch, the point at which an organism's activities begin to affect it (a looping affect), by producing environmental conditions, more than the environmental conditions that preceded its emergence or its activities, is the point where it might be said that it is entering into artificial reality.

In fact, it would seem pretty much everything humans have done throughout their evolution, including the creation of Capitalism, artificial. So what is even the point in making the distinction? Seems kind of silly to me.

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The world you live in today, you modern fag, is a world man created with his interventions.
With every gain there is a loss, and with every loss a gain.
But turds, like you, prefer focusing or the positives; the self-flattering and self-interested, while ignoring or dismissing the negative, or what they wish to ignore.
Giving an individual suffering from down syndrome is for you a 'positive" because your perceptions are limited to the immediate, even if this "right" produces the propagation of the very genes that bring this syndrome about and which force the future generations to deal with it.
In other words, you stupid whore, you intervene and with this intervention you ensure that intervention must increase exponentially, until it can no longer deal with the repercussions of human intervention. The entire structure implodes...in time.
You save the weak from the inevitable but in the process you condemn all of mankind to weakness and mediocrity.

You save the lame lamb form the wolves but in the process you condemn future generations and the entire herd to lameness.
Why?
In the hope that one of these lame ones will come up with a solution.

So what do you propose we do, regress? Go back to living in caves?

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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:21 pm

eyesinthedark wrote:
As for liberal socialism, it advocates the protection of retards, and allows them to procreate, by giving defectives, people with emotive and mental, and physical impairments, who contribute nothing to society, food, clothing, and shelter, and allows them to reproduce, if they are able, lowering the genetic quality of our race.

My god! I'm dealing with the intellectual equivilent of brownshirt fascist thugs.

I clearly need to find something else to do with myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:11 pm

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So what do you propose we do, regress? Go back to living in caves?

In my opinion nature has not gone away. The foundations laid by modernism still underpin the postmodern world, where supposedly all direction has been lost. Like the subconscious still directs the conscious, as all our choices originate in this dark and nebulous region, the simulacrum has turned itself towards the destruction of all non-Western, non-scientific cultures... and their biological origins.
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:35 pm

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So what do you propose we do, regress? Go back to living in caves?

In my opinion nature has not gone away. The foundations laid by modernism still underpin the postmodern world, where supposedly all direction has been lost. Like the subconscious still directs the conscious, as all our choices originate in this dark and nebulous region, the simulacrum has turned itself towards the destruction of all non-Western, non-scientific cultures... and their biological origins.

Yes, it seems a little strange that Satyr would refer to evolutionary psychology like he does and act like all this is some kind of disconnect from "our authentic selves".
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PostSubject: Re: Digital Narratives Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:43 pm

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one was made with intellect, the other was not, one has a biological history, took millions of years to evolve, one came about comparatively overnight, and therefore, was unprecedented in it's environment.

Well then why even be here, Eyes? I mean the same could be said for philosophy and all products of the intellect.

My point is that it's a mixed package that we're pretty much stuck with, and the only way out is through.

And one problem with your reasoning: since the spider developed the web well before humans developed tables, how many years did it actually take to develop the table? You're math is wrong.
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