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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:02 pm

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That's not what I asked.
I asked what makes two siblings different, given that they have the same heritage, receive the same education, and live in the same culture.
I'm not going to force-feed you this, little girl.

You already discounted environment, no?

Here is a hypothesis going waaaaay back to the primordial soup. Let's really delve into pre-history, dear woman.

Now imagine a single cell organism coming about.
How does it replicate?
It divides, no? There is no sex, no need for love, no necessity for the bullshit people like you use to excuse themselves from the world.

So this single-cell organism reproduces itself, but is the copy identical to the source?
Now you must think, simpleton....are the environmental conditions exactly and absolute the same as those present when the source, the mother, experienced when it was splintering off of its source?
Are the weather conditions the same?
Is the barometric pressure the same?
Is the background radiation absolutely similar?
Has the mother, the source cell, not experienced things along the way, from its own birth to this moment of conception?

Why are identical twins not ever exactly the same?
Would clones be?

Do try to think, simple woman.

So I ask again: does environment only affect the organism superficially?

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:54 pm

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That's not what I asked.
I asked what makes two siblings different, given that they have the same heritage, receive the same education, and live in the same culture.

(I'll give attention to the rest of your post when I can take a breath. Busy day.)


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No two things are absolutely identical in nature. One brother may take a fall on the head, one may get molested by a cop, one may have had the umbilical cord tied around his neck, one may have received a poorer share of genes from the parents. No need to introduce the supernatural, something transcending genes and experiences, something that individual Negroids and gorillas may have that overrides genetic and environmental factors.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:54 pm

Fuck it's not hard to imagine, one brother may have grown up during easier economic times, may have mingled with Negroids and other unsavory characters, may have been treated unfairly by peers and teachers. There is will, but there is no free will, there is no free anything.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:47 pm

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I just can't ignore how not one Nigger has ever provided anything comparable to an Einstein or a Plato or a Kant and when
How about the guy who invented peanut butter?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:51 pm

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Satyr wrote:
I just can't ignore how not one Nigger has ever provided anything comparable to an Einstein or a Plato or a Kant and when
How about the guy who invented peanut butter?
Oh yeah, I forgot about him.
Well then, I stand corrected.

Peanut Butter = Internal Combustion Engine

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:09 pm

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It is intelligence that separates man from animal, and hence our humanity is a property determined primarily by the size, shape and structure of the brain. In sub-Saharan Africans the brain is undeveloped and more primitive. There are big differences, for example, in the size and shape of the prefrontal cortex, which of all the races is the most highly developed in Europeans.

It is also widely believed that the size and number of connections in the prefrontal cortex relates directly to sentience, as the prefrontal cortex in humans occupies a far larger percentage of the brain than any other animal. And it is theorized that as the brain has tripled in size over 5 million years of human evolution,[30] the prefrontal cortex has increased in size sixfold.[31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex

though you focus on something that seems so pertinent, it's really not as you are missing what's really going on. there are things beyond race. the problem with the world isn't so much race but the issue between good and persay bad people. for instance, what i've noticed some pigeonhole jews for some unsavory characteristics can be found among any population. this type of thinking is to have a sense of control over something that can't really be compartmentalized in reality but it gives a sense of focus, even if unrealistic. i've noticed that no matter what race, people tend to support those who are similar to them in character which has nothing to do with cognitive intelligence. people are motivated by their primal instincts. for instance, i've noticed that caucasians are similar to africans and hispanics in emotions so they feel more comfortable with them. people's emotional character and inclinations will define who they really are more than anything and that's just the way animals are.

also, i've noticed that caucasians are quite animalistic in their emotional nature which is why many are volatile and are inclined to decadence and hypersexuality and aggression. it was very evident in the school system as most had the atmosphere of a toxic prison yard and not a place of learning. it certainly was not just blacks who were behaving that way as whites were inclined to the same as hispanics as having a similar affinity; aggressive, overly sexual or promiscuous, extreme bad language, general disrespect etc. there was no sense of civility but always quite lurid. some schools were a bit better but most were like this. in contrast asian students and schools generally are the complete opposite.

what you don't get is you think it's just other races when in fact, it's your own race with the problem as well. you are not the most emotionally mature people even if there are more geniuses among caucasians.

i mean, you really misread people and don't have a clue as to what is actually going on with people. i don't know if this is intentional cognitive dissonance or not. i've witnessed countless times caucasians exhibiting very bad character and a malevolent degenerate type of disdain or malice toward anything of value, right or good while advocating or supporting shit or shitty people as well. you have liars, cheats and shitty people just like any other race. like i said, these characteristics is not so much due to race as to the type of person they are as well there are people of other races who have good character regardless of intelligence. still, there are lots of idiots among caucasians as well. you've got your people all wrong. in fact, i've witnessed that most caucasians do tend to be very animalistic, even a bit psycho or too hyperreactive and impatient with a very short attention span and only a few elite who are extremely intelligent or cerebral who are more conscientious.

Your response is what one would expect from an Asian. You see other races as more aggressive and physical because biologically that is what they are. Your people are less physical, more gentle and oriented towards social cooperation, the group rather than the individual. You see nature as something acting harmoniously within itself, your religions and philosophies reflecting this, this being a projection of your own nature, whereas whites see it as something filled with suffering and violence to be subdued and overcome.

Hence, for you, whites are a 'problem', or at least what you see them as representing.

Behavior you see as chaotic and threatening is nothing more than another phenotype expressing its will to exist, its nature, which you naturally wish to see restrained and neutured. Its the ancient story of species conflict and evolution.

Yet it is whites whose aggressively inquisitive sciences tell us most about the universe, that most accurately model and predict its behavior. It is our technology which alters and transforms nature to our benefit. Would this be the case if reality was so alien to us? Or is it a fact that our laws reflect it more accurately because that is what it's really like? It is the white world that has peered into the abyss that underlies nature and come back from it with knowledge.

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"The universe is built on a plan the profound symmetry of which is somehow present in the inner structure of our intellect."
- Paul Valery
Physical reality is something your people have turned away from in fear, as the Chinese emperors turned back from colonizing the world. Now you imitate us, as the niggers on a more pathetic level do, with the money you've made from manufacturing all the basic necessities Westerner's need, but I see no indication of you taking the lead in any sphere, no great philosophers or scientists are emerging, only those preaching the mimetic dogma of your own biological inheritance - world peace and brotherhood - the tau of physics.

Edit: You preach a kind of nihilism, a fear of life, as it is a fact that you are not as alive as us, as sentience is dependent upon brain structure.


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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:18 pm

An old site debunking the myths of black inventiveness:

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Perhaps you've heard the claims: Were it not for the genius and energy of African-American inventors, we might find ourselves in a world without traffic lights, peanut butter, blood banks, light bulb filaments, and a vast number of other things we now take for granted but could hardly imagine life without.

Such beliefs usually originate in books or articles about black history. Since many of the authors have little interest in the history of technology outside of advertising black contributions to it, their stories tend to be fraught with misunderstandings, wishful thinking, or fanciful embellishments with no historical basis. The lack of historical perspective leads to extravagant overestimations of originality and importance: sometimes a slightly modified version of a pre-existing piece of technology is mistaken for the first invention of its type; sometimes a patent or innovation with little or no lasting value is portrayed as a major advance, even if there's no real evidence it was ever used.

Unfortunately, some of the errors and exaggerations have acquired an illusion of credibility by repetition in mainstream outlets, especially during Black History Month (see examples for the traffic light and ironing board). When myths go unchallenged for too long, they begin to eclipse the truth. Thus I decided to put some records straight. Although this page does not cover every dubious invention claim floating around out there, it should at least serve as a warning never to take any such claim for granted.

Each item below is listed with its supposed black originator beneath it along with the year it was supposedly invented, followed by something about the real origin of the invention or at least an earlier instance of it.

http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:47 pm

I think we have to distinguish between being an assertive, individualistic person from being a savage psychopath. There are many white children who behave like the latter, I myself was one of them, but it was not always this way, it became so. Anyway, I don't really believe in the civilization idealists, from left/right socialists to capitalists, are trying to create. Everything has it's pluses and minuses, and white people fucked a lot things up, in addition to making a lot of things better for mankind.

White people are more individualistic and competitive than mongoloids. Mongoloid society tends to function top down, more oligarchic, where as our society tends to function bottom up, more democratic. I don't think democracy and individualism could work for Chinese, I don't think they'd know what to do with themselves. As for intelligence, I think we're more/less equal, in terms of logic, mathematics, although they seem to be slightly ahead. However, there are aspects of intelligence IQ tests don't measure. I think Chinese are particularly good at memorization and regurgitating information, they're more interested in information than knowledge, where as we're more imaginative, creative and more interested in truth, scrutinizing tradition, putting conventions and dogmas, theories and hypothesis to the test. Asians are fairly conventional, they don't make breakthroughs or discoveries, very often.

Asians are very servile by nature, they like to be ruled, they need a boss telling them what to do. They're also more interested in ethics than governing the natural world. They're very concerned about establishing a harmonious, conflict free society. In contrast, whites are more interested in accumulating wealth, increasing efficiency and productivity.

Well, we'll see which race comes out on top in the end, if any.

What about middle easterners? They're a subrace of Caucasians. Any thoughts on them? And Hindus, a hybrid of Caucasians, Mongoloids and Australoids, what are they like?

Arabs are obviously more passionate, critical and judgmental than other races. Not much room for individualism there, very concerned with ethics and social governance, in this they're very much like the Chinese, but they're more emotional than the Chinese, and a little dumber. If I recall correctly, the average Chinese IQ is 105, the average European IQ is 100 and Arabs and Hindus, 90. The Chinese are also more pragmatic than Arabs, the Arabs are very spiritual, idealistic and passionate. The Hindus share the religious sentiment with the Arabs, but they're colder, a little more rational, not as warlike, the whites are very similar to Arabs in this aspect, they're warlike. Hindus are more passive like the Chinese, religious like the Arabs, cold, insular, and a little more individualistic than Chinese. Well, this is just a thought experiment, there's nothing that scientific about this, I'm just basing this on broad political, economic and social trends, I don't know. I wonder if Siberians are similar to Chinese and Japanese in intelligence, they're closely related genetically, as are Tibetans. Australoids are even more primitive than Negroids, especially the ones inhabiting Australia, have you seen their skull formations? Huge brow ridges and sloping foreheads, I'm really not even sure if some of them should be classified as human. Native Americans are interesting creatures. There's something enigmatic and mysterious about them, spiritual, but not in the same way as Middle Easterners or Hindus. I like some of them, they have this calm, sombre, introverted, individualistic nature, not wild, sensual and goofy like the blacks. There's something philosophical and, contemplative, reflective, highly conscious about them, even though though their IQs are 10 points lower than whites.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:03 pm

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Your response is what one would expect from an Asian.

mule, you are talking to a genius and that would me mwa. i just act stupid on the internet and write with in incorrect grammar to make an important point that is often overlooked and that is content is the purpose of truth, not how grammatically correct one can spew erroneous bullshit, ignorance or stupidity such as your replies, for example.

let me explain. most asians don't agree with my opinion. this means you are an idiot. let's move on to the next point.

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Edit: You preach a kind of nihilism, a fear of life, as it is a fact that you are not as alive as us, as sentience is dependent upon brain structure.

first, most asians don't have the same philosophy as i do so you are projecting your delusions about asians. they disagree with my opinions as much as the next person. get it? k.

second, you started this topic about technology and the leveling of man and totally miss what is really going on because you are short-sighted and are of a conventional programmed mind (which you seem to think only applies to others or to 'lesser' races as you perceive them).

technology and further artificiality will lead to more unconsciousness rather than increased consciousness. this is inevitable and will affect everyone.

this is because consciousness is derived from the experience of incongruency to one's environment and thus awareness. the more adapted to environment, the less conscious.

some people lament the lack of touchy feely human interaction because of virtual worlds and technological gadgets etc but organic life is bastardly at odds with the universe anyways and is just a temporary fluke or chance occurence. it's just always fighting against the grain to stay alive and that is a sad phenomenon in itself as constant death, struggle, chaos, suffering and even history attest to. eventually with further technology and biotechnology, we will become more robotic and artificial, just like another element in the universe and this was inevitable. this, again, further proves life is more incongruent to the universe and it's unconsciousness rather than consciousness.

you are not that sentient and certainly not more sentient than me but i can tell it's the result of your ignorance so it's slightly amusing. you just assume you are more sentient because you are that ego-driven/blind.

i just revealed a profound truth/point to you of what is actually occuring that was obviously over your head as you were focusing inanely on computers/orangutans which is trivial and provincial. now, is this due to your brain structure or would you like to blame it on something else? also, can you comprehend the point that i just revealed as you assume that you are more sentient and above me?

let me reiterate the clue once more: it was inevitable. that or just natural death when the sun goes supernova. still, death of organic life/consciousness to one degree or another through further technology or else. in the end, it really doesn't matter. that observation is not from fear, that's just a fact.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:07 am

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I don't think democracy and individualism could work for Chinese

yes and no. there is this social stereotype that westerners are individualistic when in reality that's not the case. most everyone copies or tries to fit into the group/status quo (as trends and herd mentality attest to) as it affords protection or they genuinely agree with it's current status either politically, socially or culturally or all, either way. just like any society, those who are different or the minority in some way will be persecuted or be outcast, whether it's for good/bad reasons. that's just how animal nature is and has nothing to do with race. the only difference being that western culture allows for more differing groups which allows for creativity but the price or side-effect is more chaos or conflict in society. but as for being literally individualistic, that is only allowed if one still can garner a group support as it's always about numbers and society tends to force or define it as political.

i do agree though that asian society is much more focused on cohesiveness and order but the price for them is less creativity or not questioning authority. they will hammer down or undermine anyone that sticks out or differs but that occurs to one degree or another in any society.

each has it's pros/cons. having experienced both cultures, overall, most people are conformists and disdain those who are different. majority opinion will always rule, whether some of that is good/bad/inferior/superior. those who are different or pioneers will have a rougher time and that has always been the case. some people are fortunate to live in a time when their nature fits into the current status quo and some are unfortunate when they don't.

i don't like how asians copy everthing, like do they need to copy everything, even when it's not necessary? jesus and i find it infuriating too. there are asians that have the same opinion as me or point of view but they are the minority and is drowned out or obscure. i don't like many asians either or humans in general. i also lament the lack of appreciation for their own culture and i think they are quite stupid in that aspect but i find that stupidity everywhere in one way or another. also, why do they dye their hair orange? do they think it looks good because it doesn't which goes to prove most people are stupid. i don't understand most asians myself.

i really hate older asian males too, especially koreans. they are putrid pieces of shit and are repulsive/revolting/hideous. asian society should go all nazi on them, gather them up and mow them down with a machine gun. they are so hypermasculine, they are lascivious toward any female that has any personal sense of empowerment and smell it like a goddamn jeepers creepers. hypermasculine males actually are the least masculine secretly and feed off of females like the degenerate they are for a personal sense of empowerment. chinese males tend to be more astute and secure (one of the reasons why their females tend to be sassier than korean/japanese traditionally) as well as the younger generation of asian males across the board. koreans also copy japanese pop culture. did i say i don't like koreans? lol. i just realized recently that i've always gravitated toward chinese than koreans and always had more chinese friends, though most younger koreans are alright. they are definitely more intelligent than koreans and understand something called 'logic' that seems to defy korean understanding. i find most koreans exasperatingly illogical. there is a time to be emotional and logical and they always get them confused or backward, something chinese understand very well.

i don't have a hard and fast preference for any culture or people either as the world isn't how i would like it anywhere. people are assholes everywhere. lol
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:58 am

for instance, there are a ton of coffee shops in korea but none of them have any asian decor. do koreans think that if one likes coffee, it means they have to use western decor too, down to the pictures on the wall? i don't get it. it's flattering to the west how much they admire it but it's ridiculous.

this is why most asians are stupid but of course they would crucify someone like me for pointing it out. also, why don't they just further develop their own music and in their own language instead of aping western music or stupidly and randomly inserting english? i don't get it.

i don't consider most asians asian, i think they are traitors and if they want to be completely western (eating asian food or speaking korean doesn't qualfy which is all they fucking have left or keep), they should go live there instead of lying to themselves about their 'culture' as if it's korean. how the fuk is it korean?

that said, asians are not the only one doing this as just about every culture is. this goes to show just how conformist humans are anyways to anything they think or currently has power. they will even disregard what is good or unique about their own culture. absolutely stupid, even vile as it will eventually make everything in the world uniform. it's okay to enjoy or partake of other cultures or even incorporate some of it but that doesn't mean one has to be completely like someone else. i'm always amazed at how stupid people are. they will fall for anything.

this is the paradox. asians like me are the ones who have a real appreciation for asian culture as well as other cultures but the majority of lying koreans would demonize me as attacking their 'culture' and that i'm not korean or anti-asian when deep down it's really them as they hypocritically and viley appoint themselves as legitimate representers of their culture. it's just their ego or empty nationalism as they subversely shit on their own culture in spirit as well as action and only give it lip service while they crucify asians with any sense of originality or truly think independently. they would tell me to get out of their country but the truth is i don't care because it's no different or unique to anywhere else unless they stupidly think a concrete jungle and materialism (which is all western trends) is korean while you speak korean/english. what the fuk is korean culture now? nothing. the world is a strange place and only fit for liars, corrupt and the shallow.

oh, they do have something korean. shit pop groups (that would appeal to pedophiliacs) that are mirrored off of jpop as well as a sexist country that perpetuates agism and sexism. they should be so proud. oh, they produce technological gadgets. yeah, that's so korean. at least they are productive but they need to stop pretending that is anything that can be defined or associated with korean culture.

you should even see the shit on asian forums, any asians who stand up for asian culture or not a western regurgitating clone, is blackballed as they hail themselves as asians and make the legitimate ones rendered obscure or outcast.

humans are shit. i hope they all go extinct.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:32 am

well, not to completely focus on the negative. there are still some positive aspects of their culture or at least amusing.

their random english printed everywhere which often does not make sense has become some type of amusing cultural phenomenon and charming or even unique in that sense but that's everywhere in asia, not just korea.

another slightly amusing phenomenon if not annoying is their city blocks resemble a sim city game played with repeating landmarks and businesses. there is absolutely no difference between different parts of a city so there is really nothing new to see usually but everything is convenient. it's the same repeating hirises, familymarts/7-11s, pharmacies, restaurants (though it's utterly stupid how they have so many restaurants serving the same cuisine on one street), karoake rooms, lotte/homeplus/emart department stores and opne air markets.

also, their hairstyles rock and could even say that they are among the best hairstylists. their school systems still are based on discipline and they do respect education. they are generally socially civil and have a good work ethic with attention to detail and responsibility though i have to give more credit to the chinese on this one as they have a great sense of priorities though i don't know how long this will last.

another thing that's unnerving or puzzling is how secretive or private they are in their own culture among their own countreymen. asian kids are cute though. also, they have no street mimes or performers. they are really boring. it's a work oriented culture. western asians tend to be different though or open up more.

overall, their culture seems subversive, repressed and sneaky so i don't respect it but that's more probably because i didn't grow up in the culture so don't know completely why they are that way or what i perceive to be repressed may be focus or discipline. who knows. oh, they are responsible about recycling too but i absolutely do not respect native koreans for their lack of appreciation for green spaces or nature like japanese. who the fuck does their city planning? retards? sadists? heh.

korea definitely is not anyplace worth visiting, that's for sure. there is nothing interesting here honestly. japan, china or southeat asia is though.

this is what's so ironic. i was born in korea and lived there until first/second grade. i remember witnessing other korean kids gawking at any american kid as if they were so special though i never was like this. i felt at the time a deep connection/affinity/respect for my asian roots and was very proud of it but that might have more to do with just my inner nature in general as i'm not the type to feel i'm less than others or put others above me. i was abruptly whisked away to america but everyone else was immensely jealous and i didn't care. i actually didn't want to go. worse is that i ended up in alabama? that is very fuked up and i've had an unusual life but i had no control over it.

i wasn't even the type that should have gone to america as there were other koreans who would have killed to go but life is arbitary and random sometimes as well as not making any sense. there are forces greater than us, random shit and there are no guarantees in life and is often unfair.

i do feel that i was cheated somewhat. i see asians who don't even appreciate their culture as much as i do and think they would have fit in better in america ironicly. i would have just liked to stay in one culture and live a normal life not having to grow up with the racism/prejudice and constant friction or not exactly fitting in anywhere as well as their were very few if any asians wherever i was. i wasn't lucky to grow up in california among more asian, for example. it was often very lonely. i've even experienced some black girl bragging to me how she went to school in japan (my father is japanese) and how nice everyone was to her or civil and it infuriated me how i had to deal with treated like shit, third class citizen and constantly mocked or ridiculed very cruelly for being asian in america by blacks, hispanics and whites which most were inferior to me, less intelligent, white trash or a piece of shit when i was nice and tried to be fair to them when i didn't ask to be brought to the country or am a kissass whitey or western type as many asians in asia are who should have been the ones to take my goddamn place!! the asians i really detest are the hypocritical ones in asia who worship everything western but inwardly know they don't want to have grown up there because of the racism and minimize the experiences of other asians. those are the ones i want to kick in their nuts or cunt and wish could have been beamed instantly to the deep south and we'll see just how hoighty toighty they are. fucking bitches.

i don't fit into korean culture and i didn't really fit into american culture either. unless you grew up in korea (japanese is similar in this respect), you will always be an outsider because people forge their lifelong friendships through school and work but tend to take seriously their most intimate connections from primary/high school. even a korean girl who just went to high school in indonesia told me she is not really accepted as totally korean because of this and they are harder on koreans than a white person who would make korea home.

omg, after all the shit, struggle and love/hate i'm a bonofide american or maybe alien. i've accepted it as i can't change it. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:44 am

i'll just admit it. i hate and despise korea and koreans(not all but they are a minority). i give the west my permission to bomb the hell out of it, even with me in it. i hate it that much. please blow it off the face of the earth. i can't stand passive aggressive people who are corrupt or constantly hide shit instead of owning up to what's wrong or save face. i can't stand their sexist society or how they never challenge authority or how they never look to change social injustice unless it's to mirror the west for their ego or shamed through pressure which indicates they are not moved by it genuinely enough. that said, there are a bunch of these fukers or luckily embedded/hidden of all races everywhere but korea is seething with enough of them to be repulsive. this is not shyness or introversion. i can't stand how you have to hide who you are to a ridiculous degree because their ego is that fragile or ego is all that's most important to them. i can't stand their superficiality. i can't stand their kpop. i can't stand their women who never stand up for anything so let those who do be scapegoated or scorn them as they pride themselves on whatever is currently respected conventionally rather than for what it is. i can't stand how they shame or scorn anyone that is not of convention in all respects because they are so afraid to be themselves. they have become so superficial that if your degree is not from ivy league etc, they assume it's all shit. i hate how they put on airs without considering content. i can't stand how most koreans (southeast asians like filipinos too) take to christianity more than other asians. this proves a lack of real intellectual integrity.

i fuking hate their kimchi too and it tears up your stomach. disgusting but i do like some of their food.

i think if asia keeps going down this road of copying everything western to the point of taking on their identity in full, they are total shit and are not even respecting themselves so don't deserve respect.

okay, not to give the wrong impression. i know there are many faults or negative things to criticize about other races or cultures expressed differently or in different areas but since i know more about asians or korean culture, i'm expressing them or what i dislike.

as for korea, do you know why the chinese left them alone? they went there and saw there was nothing of use in these people so left them alone with their independence. korean culture is just a copy of chinese such as their architecture except for their wooden huts basically (though they had to invent a simpler language though it is efficient because they were too hillbilly stupid to learn mandarin). the pop culture is a direct copy of japanese in style (japanese girlbands actually have songs that empower girls but kpop doesn't). the only thing unique that they do is eat with metal chopsticks and use a lot of stainless steel for some reason (lol). their traditional dress is also the ugliest between chinese and japanese.

okay, korea was in the middle and was invaded a lot but there really was no reason for korea to be independent as it's such a small population/land. now i could understand if there culture was something significantly unique that they needed to preserve or was so different from the surrounding cultures or country but it wasn't.

one of the reasons why america has landed their troops there was because of korea because they would not ally with those around them. granted, japan would not exist if not for korea's fight for national independence but it's almost laughable and contemptible how korea should have remained close ties to japan early on so they would become one nation (then they wouldn't have been invaded by japanese so eventually resorted to betraying asians and letting westerners police and lodge themselves there, do they have any self respect or dignity and they are a divided nation? they shouldn't as they should be ashamed and deserve contempt). i mean, japan was formed from proto-koreans and it's so damn close. you can see japan from korea it's right next door and koreans have so little land, they should have solidified with japan as one nation early on to increase their land and their were no competition for it either as it's just a group of isolated islands right the fuk next to them. how fuking stupid can koreans be? now this observation is something that you will never hear or read from a typical korean because they never criticize themselves or think objectively about their history or culture because that would take intellectual integrity and original thought. no one will ever dare to point out how utterly stupid koreans were for not taking the basically freebie islands right next to them.

i have no respect for korean culture or way of thinking. the best of it is just a copy of chinese and they don't think well either. there is absolutely nothing and i mean nothing for them to be proud of. how the hell are they more unique than all the 56 different ethnicities or subcultures in china? how the hell is inviting over westerners to police asia something to be proud of? koreans are the worst traitors of asia.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:32 am

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mule, you are talking to a genius and that would me mwa. i just act stupid on the internet and write with in incorrect grammar to make an important point that is often overlooked and that is content is the purpose of truth, not how grammatically correct one can spew erroneous bullshit, ignorance or stupidity such as your replies, for example.

let me explain. most asians don't agree with my opinion. this means you are an idiot. let's move on to the next point.
This isn't about your opinions you moron, but your physical nature. Your desperation to be an exception to most Asians only proves the rule.

And I love the shit about only acting stupid...

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second, you started this topic about technology and the leveling of man and totally miss what is really going on because you are short-sighted and are of a conventional programmed mind (which you seem to think only applies to others or to 'lesser' races as you perceive them).
My dear, you miss the point of the topic. This topic is about methods of social control and how they are being used against the white working class. Divide and rule is not a tool used exclusively against non-white races.

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technology and further artificiality will lead to more unconsciousness rather than increased consciousness. this is inevitable and will affect everyone.... this is because consciousness is derived from the experience of incongruency to one's environment and thus awareness. the more adapted to environment, the less conscious.
Consciousness is an adaptation to the environment, an environment which contains other hominid groups and individuals in violent conflict and fierce competition for resources.

A smaller, physically weaker people are forced to band together to survive and so their culture is a natural reflection of this. You learnt this hundreds of thousands if not millions of years ago in Africa, it remaining instinctive until social evolution codified it into a more sophisticated system of manners and social mores to control a larger population.
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This isn't about your opinions you moron, but your physical nature. Your desperation to be an exception to most Asians only proves the rule.

And I love the shit about only acting stupid...

dummy, my physical nature has nothing to do with any desperation to be an exception. you said my response is what you would expect from an asian, i told you that most asians would not respond with the same philosophy or point of view in response to your post. was that hard to compute? this is your problem, you think too stereotypically. most asians or nonasians don't even make the same observations or express them the way i do. my observations that people collude or even unconsciously gravitate toward as well as identify with those of similar emotional temperaments or values, regardless of race, is not due to my being asian, you moron. it's because i'm intelligent and what i've observed so i noted it as another insight into the human condition. my personal opinion (in general) is that whites may be closer to asians in cognitive intelligence but emotionally similar or closer to blacks, hispanics etc where intimate connections are based more on emotional affinity between people. just as most asians identify with whites in emotional temperament in comparison to blacks because they view them as less aggressive in comparison or at least mentally more compatible is also what i've observed. that was all and has nothing to do with what race i am though personally i am more emotionally inclined to identify with blacks for friendship after asian ( not all of them and only a certain type and that doen't mean i don't ever identify with whites) and not because i view them as aggressive or for aggression. but i never vibed with hispanics, middle easterners or even indians etc for some reason/s.

i could also apply your stupid logic to you as evidently most whites are 'jewified' in your world view and that your critique or rejection of the status quo is a desperate attempt to be an exception.

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My dear, you miss the point of the topic. This topic is about methods of social control and how they are being used against the white working class. Divide and rule is not a tool used exclusively against non-white races.

no shit. how insightful and please expound on it because your computer/orangutans example is so stupid, i think you must be kidding. you are so paranoid about jewry that you ignored the role of technology and artifice on life itself, which also have it's negative repercussions or side effects such as the seeming experience of the shallow, immediate as well as perhaps overly convenient, again, rendering the experience of 'culture' more artificial and less personal. i made this point because of your critique of 'modern shit' or lifestyle. you place all perceived ill effects in your opinion on jews somehow manipulating everything that is possibly negative or the cause of it when that is not the only force in effect.

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Consciousness is an adaptation to the environment, an environment which contains other hominid groups and individuals in violent conflict and fierce competition for resources.

A smaller, physically weaker people are forced to band together to survive and so their culture is a natural reflection of this. You learnt this hundreds of thousands if not millions of years ago in Africa, it remaining instinctive until social evolution codified it into a more sophisticated system of manners and social mores to control a larger population.

you just spout more banal stereotypical crap. the root of consciousness is derived from differences from environment, not adaptation. the adaptation is just a process.

for instance, we can barely sense the air around us if not for motion but we don't need to as we are perfectly adapted to it but we can feel the water as a separate density when swimming in the ocean as it's not our natural habitat just as fish don't sense or see water as we do air as they are perfectly adapted to it. consciousness is not just due to competition or adaptation. we don't really understand what caused consciousness except to speculate.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:00 am

the real problem is human mismanagement, not all the other trivial points in between.

for instance, there is a significant lack of common sense when immigration policies don't take into account overall implications but only immediate partisan concerns or interest.

it does no good for even third world countries for already developed countries to randomly let some in. who will fix or develop the countries these people have left?

it would be wiser if the whole world together with the u.n. work together to allow controlled immigration for the purpose of education only so that those skills desperately or vitally needed in these other countries can be utliized to better their people or fix their country. this way they are not a burden on the host society and their education has a productive purpose rather than wasted pouring water on already a wet rock, so to speak.

that being said, americas were already an immigrant country and that's quite different from europe as a 'white' homeland. i don't agree with the massive muslim immigration into europe or let's say i do agree that belongs to whites but i'm not in control of that. lol

as for america, with the recession and downturn, i suppose there could be mini-revolutions or factions eventually if this continues to spiral out of control and perhaps america can be divided up into smaller nations based on political and even racial interest.

i don't agree with forced integration and i think that is a cause of a lot of unnecessary hostility or friction. those who want to interact with others of diffferent race (live, work etc) will do so on their own accord just as those who would rather not. people already associate with others based on class, interest, religion etc and it's not abnormal to do so based on race either, more or less.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:51 pm

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you just spout more banal stereotypical crap. the root of consciousness is derived from differences from environment, not adaptation. the adaptation is just a process.
You're talking about self-consciousness... an awareness of ourselves as separate entities. But consciousness comes first.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

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for instance, we can barely sense the air around us if not for motion but we don't need to as we are perfectly adapted to it but we can feel the water as a separate density when swimming in the ocean as it's not our natural habitat just as fish don't sense or see water as we do air as they are perfectly adapted to it. consciousness is not just due to competition or adaptation. we don't really understand what caused consciousness except to speculate.
My dear, the question is what aspects of the two environments are so similar that causes consciousness to exist in them both?

When we see how valuable a tool consciousness is in the sea, in escaping and hunting food, protecting offspring and killing enemies, then there we have our answer for the same on land.

PS: Of course you 'vibe' with blacks, they are simpler creatures, easier to understand and less judgemental. Their childish nature is attractive to one wanting to escape the burden of reality.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:45 am

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You're talking about self-consciousness... an awareness of ourselves as separate entities. But consciousness comes first.

You're putting the cart before the horse.

oh really? consciousness comes first? as if that wasn't already understood.


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PS: Of course you 'vibe' with blacks, they are simpler creatures, easier to understand and less judgemental. Their childish nature is attractive to one wanting to escape the burden of reality.

ironically, this just further indicates how simple you are with your stereotypical assumptions.

i vibe with some blacks because they are more emotionally honest whereas many whites are emotional hypocrites and artificial. this does not mean i never identify with whites. it's just an emotional affinity. you are reading too much into it. notice not everyone vibes with everyone of any race, even their own.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:00 am

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PS: Of course you 'vibe' with blacks, they are simpler creatures, easier to understand and less judgemental. Their childish nature is attractive to one wanting to escape the burden of reality.

ironically, this just further indicates how simple you are with your stereotypical assumptions.

i vibe with some blacks because they are more emotionally honest whereas many whites are emotional hypocrites and artificial.

dumbass.
You are a simple creature.

I expect you, like most modern women, prefer the common principle of what-you-see-is-what-you-get when it comes to judging personal relationships and the intentions of others, never mind that evolution is unlikely to have ever selected for such behavior, less it is used in a ruse.

Honesty is a liability in nature.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:08 am

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PS: Of course you 'vibe' with blacks, they are simpler creatures, easier to understand and less judgemental. Their childish nature is attractive to one wanting to escape the burden of reality.

ironically, this just further indicates how simple you are with your stereotypical assumptions.

i vibe with some blacks because they are more emotionally honest whereas many whites are emotional hypocrites and artificial.

dumbass.
You are a simple creature.

I expect you, like most modern women, prefer the common principle of what-you-see-is-what-you-get when it comes to judging personal relationships and the intentions of others, never mind that evolution is unlikely to have ever selected for such behavior, less it is used in a ruse.

Honesty is a liability in nature.

you are such an idiot. in relationships, dishonesty is a liability.

what happened to your brain?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:39 am

who is truly simple here? your 'across the board' leveling and assumption of others as simple in all respects or my perception that blacks are more in touch with their true emotions?

one who can appreciate different aspects of people doesn't make them simple. you are simple for your complete rejection of others who don't fit into your stereotypical mold of 'white'.

as for escaping reality, who doesn't? what is religion, fantasy based books, tv shows, movies, music, video games etc for? we do it all the time or recreate reality to our liking or ideal.

only a truly simple creature would think that appreciating the emotional fecundity of blacks makes them simple in that regard or those who appreciate it. it's just one aspect of a person.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:46 am

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you are such an idiot. in relationships, dishonesty is a liability.

what happened to your brain?
That you hold this to be true makes you who you are....simple.

What you know and don't know is summed up in this expression of naivete.


I offer you a quote which contains the response you deserve:

Trivers, Robert wrote:
If…deceit is fundamental to animal communication, then there must be strong selection to spot deception and this ought, in turn to select for a degree of self-deception, rendering some facts and motives unconscious so as to not betray – by the subtle signs of self-knowledge – the deception being practiced. Thus, the conventional view that natural selection favors nervous systems which produce ever more accurate images of the world must be a very naïve view of mental evolution.

If you manage to understand it or why it is stated you might realize how dimwitted you are.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:00 am

lol. do you think i or anyone is unaware of this? seriously, are you all that fuking high on yourself?

deceit is due to and often employed when in competition for scarce resources and fundamental to predation. please enlighten me how anyone is unaware of this?

what does that have to do with noticing that blacks are more emotionally honest or forthcoming? does that bother people here?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:08 am

You are probably aware of everything...but you still seem to be ignorant as to how it applies to you and to reality.
It is knowledge....you know.
Like a computer knows math.

I don't know about others but what bothers me is stupidity in all its forms.
It bothers me in the sense that it is irrational and something I must deal with daily.

The reasons you give for the evolution of deceit only exposes your simplicity, though you know it and know it better.

I offer you another "fact" we "all know":
Orwell, George wrote:
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.

Perhaps we should stop thinking and sharing thoughts because all is known by all.
For instance I know, along with others, that you are a desperate simpleton with an agenda...but I refrain from stating it because it is already known.
That you think a "relationship" is best served by honesty only shows how naive you are.
In fact all relationships are founded on deceit or selective sharing, selective intimacy.

But you already knew this, no?
You knew this even before you made a statement to the contrary.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:35 am

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lol. do you think i or anyone is unaware of this? seriously, are you all that fuking high on yourself?

deceit is due to and often employed when in competition for scarce resources and fundamental to predation. please enlighten me how anyone is unaware of this?

what does that have to do with noticing that blacks are more emotionally honest or forthcoming? does that bother people here?
Look at blacks position in the world, economically and technologically, how they are always out competed for scarce resources by other races, so much so that they must be protected by laws and special organisations, and then consider your own hypocrisy (deception) in what you are saying here.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:36 am

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For instance I know, along with others, that you are a desperate simpleton with an agenda...but I refrain from stating it because it is already known.

what's my agenda? and what agenda does this forum have? the exposing of 'truth'?

what makes you think none of you are 'simpletons'?

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That you think a "relationship" is best served by honesty only shows how naive you are.
In fact all relationships are founded on deceit or selective sharing, selective intimacy.

it is best served by honesty. when one can't, they resort to deceit. for some, intentional deceit is not how they want to conduct their 'mutual' relationships. absolute honesty is impossible when one is unaware of all their motivations which probably applies to everyone. that's not naivety, it just is.

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But you already knew this, no?
You knew this even before you made a statement to the contrary.

what contrary statement?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:41 am

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what makes you think none of you are 'simpletons'?
Can't speak for anyone but myself.
So, I don't know anything in any absolute form, like you do.
I put it to the test.
Will you indulge my need to find out if I am simple or not by helping me put it to the test?
I want to offer you the opportunity to show me how simple I really am, and you already know I am.

We will keep this little gem on the back-burner:
cranapple wrote:
you are such an idiot. in relationships, dishonesty is a liability.
which my quote my Trivers contradicts and precede to your newer offerings of knowledge.

We'll begin with your assertion that...
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deceit is due to and often employed when in competition for scarce resources and fundamental to predation.
Here the term "scarce" is important.

Or, better still, let us begin with your last response.
cranapple wrote:
it is best served by honesty. when one can't, they resort to deceit. for some, intentional deceit is not how they want to conduct their 'mutual' relationships. absolute honesty is impossible when one is unaware of all their motivations which probably applies to everyone. that's not naivety, it just is.
I presume it "just is" in the same way God just is or love just is.
In the Trivers quote, which you already knew and understood so wonderfully, it is implied that to deceive is to buy into your own deception...in essence it is to deceive yourself so as to make the lie more convincing to the other.
Here awareness is described as more of a hindrance to survival, as it makes the deception less effective.

But you know all of this while I am still exploring and learning.
I would appreciate if you shined your light upon my ignorance.

Tell me, this state of predation and scarcity can it be, perhaps, reduced down to something simpler?
Like, let's say, the presence of need?
Would a wise man, like you, agree that deceit is necessary when there is need present, or to the degree that need is present, as in the need you describe due to a condition of fear and resource stresses, and that the absence of such a need would correspond to abundance and fearlessness?

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:02 pm

let's evaluate what a simpleton is, literally or a perception.

cross-referencing agenda and my known motivations, it boils down to venting or just having nothing better to do at the moment. if i appear to be a simpleton to others, real or not, is water off a duck's back. i'm not being employed by any of you, i'm not trying to make friends on the internet and i don't care if i appear a simpleton or not as long as i made the point i wanted to. any desperation or personal problems i might have has nothing to do with this forum, any forum or the internet. lol

i may or may not be sharing my real thoughts and opinions or all of them. i may be putting on an act or acting out one aspect of me. maybe i'm just being a trickster at times for amusement.

i lose nothing by being or appearing as a simpleton or crude on the internet or to those who don't affect me. i'm not being banned for profanity, insults, atrocious grammar and lack of proper punctuation or anything i post and even if i were, it's not that important. one can only judge by how one comes across or if they emphatically believe that one is a simpleton without any benefit of the doubt, i'm fine with that.

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In the Trivers quote, which you already knew and understood so wonderfully, it is implied that to deceive is to buy into your own deception...in essence it is to deceive yourself so as to make the lie more convincing to the other.
Here awareness is described as more of a hindrance to survival, as it makes the deception less effective.

if one was truly deceived by a deception or lie that is detrimental to oneself possibly bought into by a false payoff or where the negative repercussions are not immediately known (or if it's gone so far as to be unable to pinpoint what the deception was to begin with) and further tries to convince others, it's the classic 'blind leading the blind'. they are not really aware. it could just be that one believes a lie due to ignorance but this can be corrected or people will self-correct with new knowledge.

alternately, if the deception happens to be in favor of them but not to others (though they may believe it does), it doesn't necessarily hinder their survival but be detrimental to others. this usually is not the case but it can happen.

to 'decieve' or to lie to oneself implies knowing that it was a deception, that is not unawareness. this is the classic 'dishonest' nature. but all of these have the same outcome of course, deception. intentional dishonesty or deception is never self-correcting. it has to be forced by others.

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Tell me, this state of predation and scarcity can it be, perhaps, reduced down to something simpler?
Like, let's say, the presence of need?
Would a wise man, like you, agree that deceit is necessary when there is need present, or to the degree that need is present, as in the need you describe due to a condition of fear and resource stresses, and that the absence of such a need would correspond to abundance and fearlessness?

when your child asks you for what it wants or needs, isn't he/she being completely honest?

when that want or need is denied, then there is the motivation toward deceit to achieve it such as playing one parent off the other depending on the person, especially if it's a need as the motivation is greater. this is a relationship they are locked into to meet their needs.

relationships where one can choose/drop who to interact with based on mutual benefit may not need involve deceit though it can because of simultaneous agreement as well as conflict of interest among multiple issues. some, are open about all issues and agree to disagree or compromise.

but i'm sure you were already aware of that.


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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:54 pm

I prefer dogs to humans, there so much more emotionally honest. There's no inhibitions, no deception when it comes to their wants and needs.

Isn't that why they call them man's best friend?

I know in Korea you eat them, which is why I consider you all evil, but I'm someone who lets their emotions rule their mind, and in doing so I reveal what a worthless piece of hypocritical shit I am.

The little quote below is pure gold dust, coming from a relatively wealthy and intelligent Asian born and living in a first world country:

cranapple wrote:
deceit is due to and often employed when in competition for scarce resources and fundamental to predation..... what does that have to do with noticing that blacks are more emotionally honest or forthcoming? does that bother people here?

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:02 pm

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Now transpose this romantic idealism into the realm of human relationships.
Human affairs are about "pure" love; ego-less...no domination, no conflict, no ulterior motives no cost/benefit...no nastiness.
Everything is unblemished by reality.

If it is, then there must be something more to it....
An apt quote of Satyr's from this thread given cranapple's statements about blacks.
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I know in Korea you eat them, which is why I consider you all evil, but I'm someone who lets their emotions rule their mind, and in doing so I reveal what a worthless piece of hypocritical shit I am.


if you really believe all koreans eat them, then it's emotional honesty if you consider eating dogs evil. what is there to argue?

in fact, not all koreans eat them as most actually don't. this practice was leftover from a time from famine. there are koreans who think it's wrong just as well and many have pets they love, not eat. evidently all your hypocritical hating and demonizing has paid off. actually, kids always loved pets and naturally played with them when in contact but it just wasn't a pet culture before.

if you still want to hate them, what can i say. i guess hindus could hate you for eating cows but if they do, they don't seem to. besides the fact, westerners slaughter and consume the most meat. maybe this is why whites seem to have an emotionally hypocritical nature. possibly? pfft.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:07 pm

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let's evaluate what a simpleton is, literally or a perception.

cross-referencing agenda and my known motivations, it boils down to venting or just having nothing better to do at the moment. if i appear to be a simpleton to others, real or not, is water off a duck's back. i'm not being employed by any of you, i'm not trying to make friends on the internet and i don't care if i appear a simpleton or not as long as i made the point i wanted to. any desperation or personal problems i might have has nothing to do with this forum, any forum or the internet. lol
Excellent point, for in a world where quality is reduced to quantity you are evaluated by your own kind accordingly.

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i may or may not be sharing my real thoughts and opinions or all of them. i may be putting on an act or acting out one aspect of me. maybe I'm just being a trickster at times for amusement.
I'm sure that at some point some of this will matter, but until then, oh wise man from the east, please do try to trick us into believing you are smarter, rather than dumber.

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i lose nothing by being or appearing as a simpleton or crude on the internet or to those who don't affect me. i'm not being banned for profanity, insults, atrocious grammar and lack of proper punctuation or anything i post and even if i were, it's not that important. one can only judge by how one comes across or if they emphatically believe that one is a simpleton without any benefit of the doubt, i'm fine with that.

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Yes, and at some point you will lose nothing by appearing intelligent...and the lol's are fabulous in their consistency and quantity.

But more on topic....
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if one was truly deceived by a deception or lie that is detrimental to oneself possibly bought into by a false payoff or where the negative repercussions are not immediately known (or if it's gone so far as to be unable to pinpoint what the deception was to begin with) and further tries to convince others, it's the classic 'blind leading the blind'. they are not really aware. it could just be that one believes a lie due to ignorance but this can be corrected or people will self-correct with new knowledge.
Incredibly insightful and things nobody knows, I'm sure, but what does this have to do with the quote?
Did you understand it?

Try to answer the questions rather than squiring around like a little weasel.

One more time...
You say that honesty is the best attitude when it comes to relationship and that deception or a lie or pretense, even if it be that of omission, is only useful in conditions of depravity: a threat or a lack of resources, is this correct, wise man who knows it all?
We'll take it for granted that this honesty is founded on an honest self-assessment. We'll limit it only as it pertains to an other, as in a relationship.
Is this a correct encapsulation of your positions?


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to 'decieve' or to lie to oneself implies knowing that it was a deception, that is not unawareness. this is the classic 'dishonest' nature. but all of these have the same outcome of course, deception. intentional dishonesty or deception is never self-correcting. it has to be forced by others.
Again you seem to have missed the entire meaning of the quote as you rattle on about knowing when you are being deceitful....despite being so aware of it all.
I will consider this a lie, as you are pretending to be obtuse and simpleminded, and cannot be so, given that you already know all of this.

I will wait for a reply to the question in bold or dismiss you as a retard who is trying my patience and wasting my time.

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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:28 pm

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westerners slaughter and consume the most meat. maybe this is why whites seem to have an emotionally hypocritical nature. possibly? pfft.
What is this 'emotional hypocrisy'? Sounds suspiciously like 'emotional intelligence', something made up by white liberals to make blacks feel better about themselves, make them feel more necessary, like you give children some harmless little job in times of crisis whilst the adults get on with the real work. Isn't that a kind of hypocrisy in itself?

But you still haven't told us why you find blacks so honest and childlike whilst not being of their nature yourself? Surely you are not guilty here of the very thing you accuse others of?

I'm struggling to see the cultural and physical parallels between Koreans and the Congolese.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:35 pm

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You say that honesty is the best attitude when it comes to relationship and that deception or a lie or pretense, even if it be that of omission, is only useful in conditions of depravity: a threat or a lack of resources, is this correct, wise man who knows it all?
We'll take it for granted that this honesty is founded on an honest self-assessment. We'll limit it only as it pertains to an other, as in a relationship.
Is this a correct encapsulation of your positions?

yes. i expounded on it over and over again. deception is not necessary if one is willing to give or if one can take by force.

self-deception is not necessary to deceive others either. only one who can understand deception (which means one can uncover it as well to neutralize it) can deceive intentionally.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:55 pm

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What is this 'emotional hypocrisy'? Sounds suspiciously like 'emotional intelligence', something made up by white liberals to make blacks feel better about themselves, make them feel more necessary, like you give children some harmless little job in times of crisis whilst the adults get on with the real work. Isn't that a kind of hypocrisy in itself?

what does this have to do with being a carnivore? nothing. how is giving a job to one they can do trivial nonsense or hypocritical?

why are you deflecting the point pulling random with 'emotional intelligence' and harmless jobs?

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But you still haven't told us why you find blacks so honest and childlike whilst not being of their nature yourself? Surely you are not guilty here of the very thing you accuse others of?

what is wrong with being honest (what you consider childlike)? nothing. idiot

alternately, if i tell you intentional lies, would that be right up your alley and be considered mature to you? disgusting.

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I'm struggling to see the cultural and physical parallels between Koreans and the Congolese.

i didn't make one. i also didn't make myself a representative of koreans or asians. what makes you think koreans and/or asians have the same opinions about blacks as i do?

why are you being so dishonest or are you just dense?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:17 pm

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yes. i expounded on it over and over again. deception is not necessary if one is willing to give or if one can take by force.
I leave the "by force" aside, as deception is meant to avoid force.

Therefore, a wise and knowledgeable man, like you, will certainly agree that need is proportional to the amount of deception one is forced to use, right?
When one cannot take by force, one tries to take with guile.
One seeks to deceive when one needs something from the other or one is afraid of losing something which the other provides for him, right?


Now, let us proceed to relationships and what "better" serves them.
Would you say that a relationship is based on need, whether it be mutual or not or to whatever degree that it be present?

Resources aside, would you agree, given that you already know that there are needs based on resources but also ones based on emotions and sexuality, that a relationship is founded on need? I need love, companionship, sexual relief, comforting etc. If so then would you say that this other which is hopefully the source for all of this is like a resource we wish to tap or keep close at hand?

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self-deception is not necessary to deceive others either. only one who can understand deception (which means one can uncover it as well to neutralize it) can deceive intentionally.
You seem to be thick on this matter....but you probably know this, as well.
You seem to be unable to wrap your mind around the quote by Trivers and what it implies...you are stuck in the liar knowing he is lying bit.
What Trivers seems to be implying, but you must already know this of course, is that a liar is made more convincing when he actually buys into his own lie....because the other has evolved methods for perceiving a lie.
He also implies something very surprising, but you already know this also, and that is that if the goal is to succeed then awareness seems to be detrimental in the game of deception as it inhibits that smoothness and "naturalness" that would make it more convincing, and that, in fact, delusion is far more advantageous to the organism when deception is its method and when survival or sexual reproduction is its goal.

Let us take a form of deception which is more intimate to you.
When a female wears a push-up bra, a girdle, or paints her face to cover up blemishes, or puts on high heels to make her ass protrude or to seem taller, thusly attracting taller males and keeping the shorter ones at bay, is she aware that she is trying to deceive or does she consider it making herself look pretty, or prettier than she usually does?
Let us be even more precise. It has been discovered that when females are in their most fertile period during their menstrual cycle that they choose to wear more revealing garments, advertising, in essence, their availability or readiness. This happens on an unconscious level and if you tell them, or most of them, they might even be insulted by the insinuation.
Would you say this is true?

Also, would you say omission, though it avoids actual active participation, is also a form of deception?
For example, if I know something which the other does not and I do not say anything...or if the other believes something which I know is not true and I do not correct him, that this is also a form of deception.

And one more thing, this injection of "willing to give" is you trying to reshuffle the deck.
The Golden Rule is wonderful but not deception free.
One might be willing but unable, or the other might want too much in return...and reciprocity, no matter how it goes against your naive little romantic idealism to think so, is never balanced; one of the two parties is always being exploited.
What we call a "healthy" relationship is one where a near balance is achieved based on different value judgments and with heavy doses of bullshit.

The questions in bold should suffice, as we uncover how much you actually know.


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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:23 pm

I think there may be something to emotional intelligence.

1. It could be emotional discipline, turning your emotions on and off at the right, appropriate times. Intelligent management, mitigation and repression of emotions.

2. It could be the ability to recognize emotions in others and in yourself, label them, understand what they are and where they come from, what behaviors they tend to produce.

3. Someone who naturally has symmetrical emotions, an equal potential for negative and positive emotion, a wide array of emotions, and has the right, appropriate emotional responses at the right, appropriate times, for example they don't go ape tit when someone makes a little sound they don't like, or they don't want to shower their love and affection on someone just because this someone does something nice for them occasionally, like holds the door for them, or buys them a drink, or flatters and flirts with them.

4. Someone who has a little more potential for positive emotions than negative emotions.

The first two are more like intelligence, the 2nd two are something else. I don't think niggers are more emotionally intelligent in either of these respects. There emotional responses tend to be disproportionate to stimuli, bombastic, clumsy, child like and simple. Then again, perhaps having the emotional development of children and retards is your definition of emotional intelligence. Having no control over them, revealing your feelings at inappropriate times, to your enemies, to those who may take advantage of you.
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:42 pm

What have you got against eating meat, and how would that fuck white people's emotions up?

As for honesty, I prefer to be honest with people, but sometimes this is not always possible, especially when you're as weird as me. From a strict evolutionary standpoint, no, honesty is sometimes good and sometimes bad, everyone knows why it is good, but few openly discuss it's benefits.. naturally. It has no benefits, I would never lie to you (yeah right). Why does cran in the habit of denying nature, his nature? Does he (sub)consciously wish to deceive others into believing that the world is rosier than it is, so they let their guard down, or has he himself been deceived, and is having trouble letting go of his delusions.

The idea that everything you thought you knew was a lie could be very frightening. I've never had this problem, as my IQ is well above average, so I never believed the little fairy tale lies most people share with one another, and even now, I have trouble understanding how others could be so stupid. Is it possible one could believe we're all equal, that politicians as well as common folk have our best interests at heart, that there's absolutely no differences between races and genders, beyond the superficial, that I have a soul, that God exists and loves me, that crime never, ever pays, I mean how could you be so gullible and infantile?
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PostSubject: Re: Technology and the Levelling of Man Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:19 pm

3. Yes, someone with emotional stability and sensitivity (but not hypersensitivity).
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